Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Ted Harding ted.hard...@manchester.ac.uk wrote: There is an issue which does not seem to have been raised yet in this thread. In her original post, Charlotte Maia said she was receiving messages in Digest form. There are two Digest options: Get MIME or Plain Text Digests? You can choose which one to use, if you opt for Digest format, when setting your subscription options in the R-help configuration page at https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/options/r-help In a plain-text Digest, all the messages are bundled into a single message. Therefore when you reply to one of these you have to edit out everything except the bit you are replying to; and also the Thread-relevant headers of the original messages will heve been suppressed -- only headers for the Dugest message will be present, and these will have nothing to do with the threads that the separate original messages belonged to. On the other hand, in a MIME Digest, each of the original messages is attached as a separate attachment, along with its original headers. A mail agent which is MIME-Digest-aware will allow the user to open up each attachment separately, as a single message, and reply to that. Then the mail agent *should* incorporate these headers, including those which identify the thread. So, if you use Digest format, choose MIME Digest, and use a mail agent which works properly! Ted. Hi, I have changed my settings from plain text to MIME (doesn't apply to this post, which is a response to a regular email, with r-help on the cc line). We'll see how things go, if my future posts appear threaded properly then we can assume this was the issue. If not, then I'll keep playing around. Me being the old-school kind of computer geek that I am, naturally go for plain text... thanks to all those who responded to this topic -- Charlotte Maia http://sites.google.com/site/maiagx/home __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
On 01/12/2009 9:48 PM, Charlotte Maia wrote: Hi, When I reply to a post, it generally appears as a separate thread, rather than branching off the original post. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Individual messages have a Message-ID header; for example, your message has this one: Message-ID: b7bfe54e0912011848n130c22a6g8d7da8c4ca505...@mail.gmail.com Your mail client (or the archive one) performs threading based on clues in the header, including ones like References: 4b15931602cb00056...@medicine.umaryland.edu 4b15931702cb00056...@medicine.umaryland.edu 4b15931702cb00056...@medicine.umaryland.edu and In-Reply-To: 4b15931702cb00056...@medicine.umaryland.edu (from a different message). Your problem is that because you are using the digest, you aren't inserting those headers (or perhaps yours refer to the digest, not the individual message), so the clients don't realize your messages are replies. There may be ways to trigger the threading without knowing the message ID, because sometimes message IDs in References are not right. For example, the References list that I posted was from John Sorkin's reply to you, which my client correctly threaded even though it refers to a different message ID than yours (presumably something local to his system). Duncan Murdoch Noting I am currently receiving a couple of the lists in digest form. kind regards __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
Charlotte Maia wrote: On 12/2/09, John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote: I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you are doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a message without touching the subject line. John Could you clarify the notion of simply reply. There is no obvious reply links in either the archive page, or the digest. In the case, where someone sends me an email, such have you have done, I can simply reply. However, in general this option is not available. Things look normal from here; e.g., the above is threaded as a child of Sorkin's mail, and it has the appropriate In-Reply-To: 4b15931702cb00056...@medicine.umaryland.edu header. I.e., I suspect that your own mail client may be doing you in. (Some mail clients, like Thunderbird, will even thread on the text of the Subject field, which can be a bit of a pain when people choose unoriginal subjects like Question.) -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - (p.dalga...@biostat.ku.dk) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
To be honest, I've never figured this out either. However, if you're familiar with the gmail way of threading emails, just bookmark and use google groups: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/r-help-archive It's the easiest way I've personally found, and has a very intuitive interface. HTH, Tony Breyal On 2 Dec, 03:42, Charlotte Maia mai...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/2/09, John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote: I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you are doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a message without touching the subject line. John Could you clarify the notion of simply reply. There is no obvious reply links in either the archive page, or the digest. In the case, where someone sends me an email, such have you have done, I can simply reply. However, in general this option is not available. -- Charlotte Maiahttp://sites.google.com/site/maiagx/home __ r-h...@r-project.org mailing listhttps://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guidehttp://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
I use Nabble which it has a reply button and seems to work fine. The old version was very slow but the new one is fast. Peter Dalgaard wrote: Charlotte Maia wrote: On 12/2/09, John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote: I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you are doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a message without touching the subject line. John Could you clarify the notion of simply reply. There is no obvious reply links in either the archive page, or the digest. In the case, where someone sends me an email, such have you have done, I can simply reply. However, in general this option is not available. Things look normal from here; e.g., the above is threaded as a child of Sorkin's mail, and it has the appropriate In-Reply-To: 4b15931702cb00056...@medicine.umaryland.edu header. I.e., I suspect that your own mail client may be doing you in. (Some mail clients, like Thunderbird, will even thread on the text of the Subject field, which can be a bit of a pain when people choose unoriginal subjects like Question.) -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - (p.dalga...@biostat.ku.dk) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Replying-to-Posts-Within-Same-Thread-tp932713p932995.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
I hit the reply all button on my Email client if I want the message to go both
to the person who wrote the Email and the R listserver.
John
John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D.
Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics
University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology
Baltimore VA Medical Center
10 North Greene Street
GRECC (BT/18/GR)
Baltimore, MD 21201-1524
(Phone) 410-605-7119
(Fax) 410-605-7913 (Please call phone number above prior to faxing)
Charlotte Maia mai...@gmail.com 12/1/2009 10:42 PM
On 12/2/09, John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote:
I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you
are doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a
message without touching the subject line.
John
Could you clarify the notion of simply reply.
There is no obvious reply links in either the archive page, or the digest.
In the case, where someone sends me an email, such have you have done,
I can simply reply.
However, in general this option is not available.
--
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http://sites.google.com/site/maiagx/home
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Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
There is an issue which does not seem to have been raised yet in this thread. In her original post, Charlotte Maia said she was receiving messages in Digest form. There are two Digest options: Get MIME or Plain Text Digests? You can choose which one to use, if you opt for Digest format, when setting your subscription options in the R-help configuration page at https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/options/r-help In a plain-text Digest, all the messages are bundled into a single message. Therefore when you reply to one of these you have to edit out everything except the bit you are replying to; and also the Thread-relevant headers of the original messages will heve been suppressed -- only headers for the Dugest message will be present, and these will have nothing to do with the threads that the separate original messages belonged to. On the other hand, in a MIME Digest, each of the original messages is attached as a separate attachment, along with its original headers. A mail agent which is MIME-Digest-aware will allow the user to open up each attachment separately, as a single message, and reply to that. Then the mail agent *should* incorporate these headers, including those which identify the thread. So, if you use Digest format, choose MIME Digest, and use a mail agent which works properly! Ted. On 02-Dec-09 11:51:32, John Sorkin wrote: I hit the reply all button on my Email client if I want the message to go both to the person who wrote the Email and the R listserver. John John David Sorkin M.D., Ph.D. Chief, Biostatistics and Informatics University of Maryland School of Medicine Division of Gerontology Baltimore VA Medical Center 10 North Greene Street GRECC (BT/18/GR) Baltimore, MD 21201-1524 (Phone) 410-605-7119 (Fax) 410-605-7913 (Please call phone number above prior to faxing) Charlotte Maia mai...@gmail.com 12/1/2009 10:42 PM On 12/2/09, John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote: I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you are doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a message without touching the subject line. John Could you clarify the notion of simply reply. There is no obvious reply links in either the archive page, or the digest. In the case, where someone sends me an email, such have you have done, I can simply reply. However, in general this option is not available. -- Charlotte Maia http://sites.google.com/site/maiagx/home E-Mail: (Ted Harding) ted.hard...@manchester.ac.uk Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 02-Dec-09 Time: 12:15:01 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
Whether or not your reply is threaded can also be due to the client you use (if you use an email client). For instance, this reply will be threaded correctly because I used Thunderbird. However, had I used my university-approved Groupwise client it would appear as a new thread. Best, Jim David Winsemius wrote: On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Charlotte Maia wrote: On 12/2/09, John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote: I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you are doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a message without touching the subject line. John Could you clarify the notion of simply reply. There is no obvious reply links in either the archive page, or the digest. True. The archive does not expose the message headers. I have not figured out whether is is even possible to respond to a message on the Archive. Some people use Gmane or Nabble, but I think most use a mail-client. Responding to the digest can break threads. In the case, where someone sends me an email, such have you have done, I can simply reply. However, in general this option is not available. I am wondering why it wouldn't be? This particular message is threaded with the posting you made a little over an hour ago, whereas some of your replies in the last few days have been orphaned from the posting you responded to (as you have noticed). You can look at the threaded archive here (as I suspect you already know): https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/ Best -- James W. MacDonald, M.S. Biostatistician Douglas Lab University of Michigan Department of Human Genetics 5912 Buhl 1241 E. Catherine St. Ann Arbor MI 48109-5618 734-615-7826 ** Electronic Mail is not secure, may not be read every day, and should not be used for urgent or sensitive issues __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
Hi, When I reply to a post, it generally appears as a separate thread, rather than branching off the original post. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Noting I am currently receiving a couple of the lists in digest form. kind regards -- Charlotte Maia http://sites.google.com/site/maiagx/home __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you are
doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a
message without touching the subject line.
John
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Sent: 12/1/2009 9:48:06 PM
Subject: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
Hi,
When I reply to a post, it generally appears as a separate thread,
rather than branching off the original post.
Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
Noting I am currently receiving a couple of the lists in digest form.
kind regards
--
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http://sites.google.com/site/maiagx/home
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Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
On 12/2/09, John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote: I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you are doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a message without touching the subject line. John Could you clarify the notion of simply reply. There is no obvious reply links in either the archive page, or the digest. In the case, where someone sends me an email, such have you have done, I can simply reply. However, in general this option is not available. -- Charlotte Maia http://sites.google.com/site/maiagx/home __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Replying to Posts Within Same Thread
On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Charlotte Maia wrote: On 12/2/09, John Sorkin jsor...@grecc.umaryland.edu wrote: I don't know what you are doing wrong because I don't know exactly what you are doing. I do know that I don't have your problem when I simply reply to a message without touching the subject line. John Could you clarify the notion of simply reply. There is no obvious reply links in either the archive page, or the digest. True. The archive does not expose the message headers. I have not figured out whether is is even possible to respond to a message on the Archive. Some people use Gmane or Nabble, but I think most use a mail- client. Responding to the digest can break threads. In the case, where someone sends me an email, such have you have done, I can simply reply. However, in general this option is not available. I am wondering why it wouldn't be? This particular message is threaded with the posting you made a little over an hour ago, whereas some of your replies in the last few days have been orphaned from the posting you responded to (as you have noticed). You can look at the threaded archive here (as I suspect you already know): https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/ Best -- David. -- Charlotte Maia http://sites.google.com/site/maiagx/home -- David Winsemius, MD Heritage Laboratories West Hartford, CT __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
