Re: [R] Ubuntu, Revolutions, R
A.J. Rossini wrote: > > > Ubuntu is a commercial distribution, for loose definitions of commercial. > Why shouldn't they cut a deal with Revolution, who is doing a very similar > thing? > > If you want something closer to the ideal of volunteer-driven free as in > beer and speech, you'll need to stick with Debian. > > Canonical and Revolution have very similar business models. And they just > happen to have similar relationships to volunteer-driven development in > Debian and R-Core. > > -tony > I sincerely hope I did not come across as overly negative in my original query. I am glad that companies such as Canonical (Ubuntu) and REvolutions Computing (R-Project) are able to build business plans via free software. Although Canonical has a less than perfect track-record when it comes to releasing all of it's code (example - UbuntuOne _server_ code), it appears REvolution Computing has released the code to it's extensions. I do however wish there had been more communication to end-users about this change. Had the REvolution extensions merely been added to the Ubuntu repositories, such communication would have been less important. But, R now starts with a message about installing the REvolution Computing extensions if it can't find them. My OP was an attempt to learn more about the nature of the changes (did they affect r-core) and the maturity/dependability of these extensions. Truthfully, I'm looking forward to the next project where I can some of this out. The foreach() function seems really really nifty. (I can't believe I just said something positive about using a loop in R.) All that being said, I would agree that a purist would probably find Debian to be a better match. But, I am not much of a purist. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Ubuntu%2C-Revolutions%2C-R-tp25744817p25849088.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Ubuntu, Revolutions, R
Andrew Choens gmail.com> writes: > > I am interested in hearing from members of the community, REvolution Computing > employees/supporters (although please ID yourself as such) and most anyone > else. I can see what they say on their website, but I'm interested in getting > other opinions too. > > Thanks! > > Ubuntu is a commercial distribution, for loose definitions of commercial. Why shouldn't they cut a deal with Revolution, who is doing a very similar thing? If you want something closer to the ideal of volunteer-driven free as in beer and speech, you'll need to stick with Debian. Canonical and Revolution have very similar business models. And they just happen to have similar relationships to volunteer-driven development in Debian and R-Core. -tony AJ Rossini blindgl...@gmail.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Ubuntu, Revolutions, R
On Monday 05 October 2009 09:38:21 am David M Smith wrote: > Andrew is correct: the upcoming release of Ubuntu (Karmic Koala) will > feature the REvolution R distribution. (I am a REvolution Computing > employee.) Our developers have been working with Canonical's > representatives over the past several months to upgrade R in Ubuntu to > 2.9.2 and to include the REvolution R extensions. > > > My question(s) for the community is this (pick any question(s) you like > > to answer: > >Should I install the REvolution Computing packages? > >Do these packages really make R faster? > >Are these packages stable? > >What are your experiences with REvolution Computing software? > > Whether you install the REvolution Computing packages is up to you. > When you upgrade to KK, the only change made to stock R is the > .Rprofile.site file, adding the message about how to install the > extensions. (You can edit the .Rprofile.site file if you prefer.) > > If you do install the extensions, no changes are made to the core R > language (it is 100% compatible with stock R). R will be linked to > multi-threaded math libraries, which will improve performance for some > mathematical operations (particularly on a multi-core system, where > more than 1 processor will be used). So you should expect it to make R > faster. > > Installing the extensions also installs some additional packages from > REvolution Computing, including foreach and iterators, and Simon > Urbanek's multicore package from CRAN. The REvolution packages have > been in use for over a year, and are very stable. In any case they are > not attached by default. But if you do load these packages, you can > use the "foreach" function to parallelize loops, making R run faster > on multicore systems. > > I'll leave others to speak of their experiences of REvolution > Computing software (our contributions to the community include the > packages nws, foreach, iterators, doSNOW and doMC and REvolution R > itself). But from my personal perspective, I'm proud to have been able > to extend awareness and use of R to new domains, and to improve the > performance of R for many users. > > # David Smith > Director of Community, REvolution Computing > David, Thank you for this informative response, and for identifying yourself clearly as an employee of REvolution Computing. Being able to use more than a single processor for some R projects sounds tantalizing and I will admit that I need to learn more about the new functions such as foreach, iterators, etc. I have an odfWeave project that would benefit greatly from a parallel loop statement. I am also glad to hear that the r-core package has not been affected directly, giving users the option whether or not to use these extensions. I do not want to discourage companies from monetizing open-source projects. Since these packages are also open-source, I suspect I will install them and learn a few new tricks. But, I think companies like REvolution Computing need to be careful in how they integrate with a project like Ubuntu. While it is entirely possible that I missed an obvious announcement about this addition to Karmic, I would have appreciated knowing more about this new collaboration up- front, rather than discovering it after upgrading. If I've missed something obvious please feel free to point out my error. An obvious problem with my request is that this is the sort of change / improvement that is unlikely to make it into the "New Features" publications produced by Canonical, since R users are obviously a tiny minority of Ubuntu users. I think it's going to be important for Canonical and it's partners (not just your company) to be more aggressive in communicating these sorts of changes to the affected public. Thanks --andy __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Ubuntu, Revolutions, R
I'm a fellow (K)Ubuntu user, although I'm waiting for KK to be released before upgrading. I just wanted to point out that presumably this advertisement can be avoided by installing R as instructed at http://cran.r-project.org/bin/linux/ubuntu/ rather than using Ubuntu's version. I usually do this anyway because it's usually more up-to-date. -Ista On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:38 AM, David M Smith wrote: > Andrew is correct: the upcoming release of Ubuntu (Karmic Koala) will > feature the REvolution R distribution. (I am a REvolution Computing > employee.) Our developers have been working with Canonical's > representatives over the past several months to upgrade R in Ubuntu to > 2.9.2 and to include the REvolution R extensions. > >> My question(s) for the community is this (pick any question(s) you like to >> answer: >> Should I install the REvolution Computing packages? >> Do these packages really make R faster? >> Are these packages stable? >> What are your experiences with REvolution Computing software? > > Whether you install the REvolution Computing packages is up to you. > When you upgrade to KK, the only change made to stock R is the > .Rprofile.site file, adding the message about how to install the > extensions. (You can edit the .Rprofile.site file if you prefer.) > > If you do install the extensions, no changes are made to the core R > language (it is 100% compatible with stock R). R will be linked to > multi-threaded math libraries, which will improve performance for some > mathematical operations (particularly on a multi-core system, where > more than 1 processor will be used). So you should expect it to make R > faster. > > Installing the extensions also installs some additional packages from > REvolution Computing, including foreach and iterators, and Simon > Urbanek's multicore package from CRAN. The REvolution packages have > been in use for over a year, and are very stable. In any case they are > not attached by default. But if you do load these packages, you can > use the "foreach" function to parallelize loops, making R run faster > on multicore systems. > > I'll leave others to speak of their experiences of REvolution > Computing software (our contributions to the community include the > packages nws, foreach, iterators, doSNOW and doMC and REvolution R > itself). But from my personal perspective, I'm proud to have been able > to extend awareness and use of R to new domains, and to improve the > performance of R for many users. > > # David Smith > Director of Community, REvolution Computing > > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Andrew Choens wrote: >> For those who don't follow Ubuntu development carefully, the first Beta for >> the >> next Ubuntu was recently released, so I took my home system and upgraded to >> help out with filing bugs, etc. >> >> Just to be clear, I am not looking for help with the upgrade process. I've >> had >> R, and a few miscellaneous CRAN packages installed on this computer for >> years. >> Today, when I loaded an R session I had developed before the upgrade, I saw >> something new in my R "welcome message". >>> >>>R version 2.9.2 (2009-08-24) >>>Copyright (C) 2009 The R Foundation for Statistical Computing >>>ISBN 3-900051-07-0 >>> >>>R is free software and comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. >>>You are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. >>>Type 'license()' or 'licence()' for distribution details. >>> >>>R is a collaborative project with many contributors. >>>Type 'contributors()' for more information and >>>'citation()' on how to cite R or R packages in publications. >>> >>> >>>This is REvolution R version 3.0.0: >>>the optimized distribution of R from REvolution Computing. >>>REvolution R enhancements Copyright (C) REvolution Computing, Inc. >>> >>>Checking for REvolution MKL: >> >- REvolution R enhancements not installed. >>>For improved performance and other extensions: apt-get install revolution-r >> >> The last part, about this being the "enhanced" version of R was . . . >> unexpected. I have heard of this company before and now I've spent some time >> on their website. Looking at my installation, Ubuntu did not install any of >> the REvolution Computing components, although R now basically thows a warning >> every time I start it. >> >> My question(s) for the community is this (pick any question(s) you like to >> answer: >> Should I install the REvolution Computing packages? >> Do these packages really make R faster? >> Are these packages stable? >> What are your experiences with REvolution Computing software? >> >> I am interested in hearing from members of the community, REvolution >> Computing >> employees/supporters (although please ID yourself as such) and most anyone >> else. I can see what they say on their website, but I'm interested in getting >> other opinions too. >> >> Thanks! > > -- > David M Smith > Director of Community, REvolution Computing www.revolution-comput
Re: [R] Ubuntu, Revolutions, R
Andrew is correct: the upcoming release of Ubuntu (Karmic Koala) will feature the REvolution R distribution. (I am a REvolution Computing employee.) Our developers have been working with Canonical's representatives over the past several months to upgrade R in Ubuntu to 2.9.2 and to include the REvolution R extensions. > My question(s) for the community is this (pick any question(s) you like to > answer: >Should I install the REvolution Computing packages? >Do these packages really make R faster? >Are these packages stable? >What are your experiences with REvolution Computing software? Whether you install the REvolution Computing packages is up to you. When you upgrade to KK, the only change made to stock R is the .Rprofile.site file, adding the message about how to install the extensions. (You can edit the .Rprofile.site file if you prefer.) If you do install the extensions, no changes are made to the core R language (it is 100% compatible with stock R). R will be linked to multi-threaded math libraries, which will improve performance for some mathematical operations (particularly on a multi-core system, where more than 1 processor will be used). So you should expect it to make R faster. Installing the extensions also installs some additional packages from REvolution Computing, including foreach and iterators, and Simon Urbanek's multicore package from CRAN. The REvolution packages have been in use for over a year, and are very stable. In any case they are not attached by default. But if you do load these packages, you can use the "foreach" function to parallelize loops, making R run faster on multicore systems. I'll leave others to speak of their experiences of REvolution Computing software (our contributions to the community include the packages nws, foreach, iterators, doSNOW and doMC and REvolution R itself). But from my personal perspective, I'm proud to have been able to extend awareness and use of R to new domains, and to improve the performance of R for many users. # David Smith Director of Community, REvolution Computing On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Andrew Choens wrote: > For those who don't follow Ubuntu development carefully, the first Beta for > the > next Ubuntu was recently released, so I took my home system and upgraded to > help out with filing bugs, etc. > > Just to be clear, I am not looking for help with the upgrade process. I've had > R, and a few miscellaneous CRAN packages installed on this computer for years. > Today, when I loaded an R session I had developed before the upgrade, I saw > something new in my R "welcome message". >> >>R version 2.9.2 (2009-08-24) >>Copyright (C) 2009 The R Foundation for Statistical Computing >>ISBN 3-900051-07-0 >> >>R is free software and comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. >>You are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. >>Type 'license()' or 'licence()' for distribution details. >> >>R is a collaborative project with many contributors. >>Type 'contributors()' for more information and >>'citation()' on how to cite R or R packages in publications. >> >> >>This is REvolution R version 3.0.0: >>the optimized distribution of R from REvolution Computing. >>REvolution R enhancements Copyright (C) REvolution Computing, Inc. >> >>Checking for REvolution MKL: > >- REvolution R enhancements not installed. >>For improved performance and other extensions: apt-get install revolution-r > > The last part, about this being the "enhanced" version of R was . . . > unexpected. I have heard of this company before and now I've spent some time > on their website. Looking at my installation, Ubuntu did not install any of > the REvolution Computing components, although R now basically thows a warning > every time I start it. > > My question(s) for the community is this (pick any question(s) you like to > answer: > Should I install the REvolution Computing packages? > Do these packages really make R faster? > Are these packages stable? > What are your experiences with REvolution Computing software? > > I am interested in hearing from members of the community, REvolution Computing > employees/supporters (although please ID yourself as such) and most anyone > else. I can see what they say on their website, but I'm interested in getting > other opinions too. > > Thanks! -- David M Smith Director of Community, REvolution Computing www.revolution-computing.com Tel: +1 (206) 577-4778 x3203 (San Francisco, USA) Check out our upcoming events schedule at www.revolution-computing.com/events __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Ubuntu, Revolutions, R
I updated to Ubuntu 9.10 Beta yesterday, and yes I do see the same message and I am a bit irritated. I don't want to read these 'marketing' lines any time I start up R. I simply deleted the lines from "/etc/R/Rprofile.site" for now, but I am still wondering who put that in. Is there any deeper reason I didn't get ? Hans Werner gunksta wrote: > > For those who don't follow Ubuntu development carefully, the first Beta > for the > next Ubuntu was recently released, so I took my home system and upgraded > to > help out with filing bugs, etc. > > Just to be clear, I am not looking for help with the upgrade process. I've > had > R, and a few miscellaneous CRAN packages installed on this computer for > years. > Today, when I loaded an R session I had developed before the upgrade, I > saw > something new in my R "welcome message". >> >>R version 2.9.2 (2009-08-24) >>Copyright (C) 2009 The R Foundation for Statistical Computing >>ISBN 3-900051-07-0 >> >>R is free software and comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. >>You are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. >>Type 'license()' or 'licence()' for distribution details. >> >>R is a collaborative project with many contributors. >>Type 'contributors()' for more information and >>'citation()' on how to cite R or R packages in publications. >> >> >>This is REvolution R version 3.0.0: >>the optimized distribution of R from REvolution Computing. >>REvolution R enhancements Copyright (C) REvolution Computing, Inc. >> >>Checking for REvolution MKL: > >- REvolution R enhancements not installed. >>For improved performance and other extensions: apt-get install revolution-r > > The last part, about this being the "enhanced" version of R was . . . > unexpected. I have heard of this company before and now I've spent some > time > on their website. Looking at my installation, Ubuntu did not install any > of > the REvolution Computing components, although R now basically thows a > warning > every time I start it. > > My question(s) for the community is this (pick any question(s) you like to > answer: > Should I install the REvolution Computing packages? > Do these packages really make R faster? > Are these packages stable? > What are your experiences with REvolution Computing software? > > I am interested in hearing from members of the community, REvolution > Computing > employees/supporters (although please ID yourself as such) and most anyone > else. I can see what they say on their website, but I'm interested in > getting > other opinions too. > > Thanks! > > __ > R-help@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Ubuntu%2C-Revolutions%2C-R-tp25744817p25749786.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Ubuntu, Revolutions, R
For those who don't follow Ubuntu development carefully, the first Beta for the next Ubuntu was recently released, so I took my home system and upgraded to help out with filing bugs, etc. Just to be clear, I am not looking for help with the upgrade process. I've had R, and a few miscellaneous CRAN packages installed on this computer for years. Today, when I loaded an R session I had developed before the upgrade, I saw something new in my R "welcome message". > >R version 2.9.2 (2009-08-24) >Copyright (C) 2009 The R Foundation for Statistical Computing >ISBN 3-900051-07-0 > >R is free software and comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. >You are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions. >Type 'license()' or 'licence()' for distribution details. > >R is a collaborative project with many contributors. >Type 'contributors()' for more information and >'citation()' on how to cite R or R packages in publications. > > >This is REvolution R version 3.0.0: >the optimized distribution of R from REvolution Computing. >REvolution R enhancements Copyright (C) REvolution Computing, Inc. > >Checking for REvolution MKL: >- REvolution R enhancements not installed. >For improved performance and other extensions: apt-get install revolution-r The last part, about this being the "enhanced" version of R was . . . unexpected. I have heard of this company before and now I've spent some time on their website. Looking at my installation, Ubuntu did not install any of the REvolution Computing components, although R now basically thows a warning every time I start it. My question(s) for the community is this (pick any question(s) you like to answer: Should I install the REvolution Computing packages? Do these packages really make R faster? Are these packages stable? What are your experiences with REvolution Computing software? I am interested in hearing from members of the community, REvolution Computing employees/supporters (although please ID yourself as such) and most anyone else. I can see what they say on their website, but I'm interested in getting other opinions too. Thanks! __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
