Re: [R] fisher.test - FEXACT error 7

2009-03-23 Thread Bernardo Rangel Tura
On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 18:29 +, Helena Mouriño wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 Im having an awkward problem in R.  When I write the command
 Fisher.test(school.data,workspace=2e+07), where school.data is the matrix
 corresponding to the data set,
 I get the error  message:

 FEXACT error 7.
 LDSTP is too small for this problem.
 Try increasing the size of the workspace.
 
 Increasing the workspace: 
 Fisher.test(school.data,workspace=1e+10),
 I get a different message, but it still doesnt work:
 
 NAs in foreign function call (arg 10)
 In addition: Warning message:
 In fisher.test(dados, workspace = 1e+10, alternative = two.sided) :
   NAs introduced by coercion

Hi Helena,

In this case you can try 3 solutions:

1- chisq.test(school.data), but pay attention if expected value of any
cell is  5 

2- Fisher.test(school.data,workspace=2e+07,hybrid=TRUE) from Help

For larger than  2 by 2 tables and 'hybrid = TRUE', asymptotic
 chi-squared probabilities are only used if the 'Cochran
 conditions' are satisfied, that is if no cell has count zero, and
 more than 80% of the cells have counts at least 5.

3- Use large tables approach from Sir David Cox:

Law, G. R. and Cox, D. R. and Machonochie, N. E. S. and Simpson, J. and
Roman, E. and Carpenter, L. M. (2001) Large tables. Biostatistics
2(2):pp. 163-171.


-- 
Bernardo Rangel Tura, M.D,MPH,Ph.D
National Institute of Cardiology
Brazil

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Re: [R] fisher.test - FEXACT error 7

2009-03-23 Thread Frank E Harrell Jr

Bernardo Rangel Tura wrote:

On Fri, 2009-03-20 at 18:29 +, Helena Mouriño wrote:

Dear all,

Im having an awkward problem in R.  When I write the command
Fisher.test(school.data,workspace=2e+07), where school.data is the matrix
corresponding to the data set,
I get the error  message:



FEXACT error 7.
LDSTP is too small for this problem.
Try increasing the size of the workspace.

Increasing the workspace: 
Fisher.test(school.data,workspace=1e+10),

I get a different message, but it still doesnt work:

NAs in foreign function call (arg 10)
In addition: Warning message:
In fisher.test(dados, workspace = 1e+10, alternative = two.sided) :
  NAs introduced by coercion


Hi Helena,

In this case you can try 3 solutions:

1- chisq.test(school.data), but pay attention if expected value of any
cell is  5 


Note that this requirement was never really checked by Pearson (as 
pointed out by Cochran) and is overly cautious.  Generally the 
Pearson-Cochran chi-square test works well much more frequently than 
previously thought, and usually better than Fisher's exact test.  See 
the reference below. -Frank


@Article{cam07chi,
  author =   {Campbell, Ian},
  title ={Chi-squared and {Fisher-Irwin} tests of 
two-by-two tab

les with small sample recommendations},
  journal =  Stat in Med,
  year = 2007,
  volume =   26,
  pages ={3661-3675},
  annote =   {2x2 table;chi-squared test;Fisher-Irwin 
test;exact tests;small sample recommendations;latest edition of 
Armitage's book recommends that continuity adjustments never be used for 
contingency table chi-square tests;E. Pearson modification of Pearson 
chi-square test, differing from the original by a factor of 
(N-1)/N;Cochran noted that the number 5 in expected frequency less than 
5 was arbitrary;findings of published studies may be summarized as 
follows, for comparative trials:``1. Yate's chi-squared test has type I 
error rates less than the nominal, often less than half the nominal; 2. 
The Fisher-Irwin test has type I error rates less than the nominal; 3. K 
Pearson's version of the chi-squared test has type I error rates closer 
to the nominal than Yate's chi-squared test and the Fisher-Irwin test, 
but in some situations gives type I errors appreciably larger than the 
nominal value; 4. The 'N-1' chi-squared test, behaves like K. Pearson's 
'N' version, but the tendency for higher than nominal values is reduced; 
5. The two-sided Fisher-Irwin test using Irwin's rule is less 
conservative than the method doubling the one-sided probability; 6. The 
mid-P Fisher-Irwin test by doubling the one-sided probability performs 
better than standard versions of the Fisher-Irwin test, and the mid-P 
method by Irwin's rule performs better still in having actual type I 
errors closer to nominal levels.; strong support for the 'N-1' test 
provided expected frequencies exceed 1;flaw in Fisher test which was 
based on Fisher's premise that marginal totals carry no useful 
information;demonstration of their useful information in very small 
sample sizes;Yate's continuity adjustment of N/2 is a large over 
correction and is inappropriate;counter arguments exist to the use of 
randomization tests in randomized trials;calculations of worst 
cases;overall recommendation: use the 'N-1' chi-square test when all 
expected frequencies are at least 1, otherwise use the Fisher-Irwin test 
using Irwin's rule for two-sided tests, taking tables from either tail 
as likely, or less, as that observed; see letter to the editor by 
Antonio Andres and author's reply in 27:1791-1796; 2008.}

}



2- Fisher.test(school.data,workspace=2e+07,hybrid=TRUE) from Help

For larger than  2 by 2 tables and 'hybrid = TRUE', asymptotic
 chi-squared probabilities are only used if the 'Cochran
 conditions' are satisfied, that is if no cell has count zero, and
 more than 80% of the cells have counts at least 5.

3- Use large tables approach from Sir David Cox:

Law, G. R. and Cox, D. R. and Machonochie, N. E. S. and Simpson, J. and
Roman, E. and Carpenter, L. M. (2001) Large tables. Biostatistics
2(2):pp. 163-171.





--
Frank E Harrell Jr   Professor and Chair   School of Medicine
 Department of Biostatistics   Vanderbilt University

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[R] fisher.test - FEXACT error 7

2009-03-20 Thread Helena Mouriño
Dear all,

 

I’m having an awkward problem in R.  When I write the command

 

Fisher.test(school.data,workspace=2e+07), where school.data is the matrix
corresponding to the data set,

 

I get the error  message:

 

FEXACT error 7.

LDSTP is too small for this problem.

Try increasing the size of the workspace.

 

Increasing the workspace: 

 

Fisher.test(school.data,workspace=1e+10),

 

I get a different message, but it still doesn’t work:

 

NAs in foreign function call (arg 10)

In addition: Warning message:

In fisher.test(dados, workspace = 1e+10, alternative = two.sided) :

  NAs introduced by coercion

 

In the R mailing I didn’t find the solution for this problem (if there is
any solution…).

 

If someone could give me some clues to solve this issue, I would appreciate.

 

Thanks in advanced for your help!

 

 

Best regards,

 

Helena Mouriño.

 

 


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