Re: [R] modelling probabilities instead of binary data with logisticregression

2009-03-25 Thread ONKELINX, Thierry
Hi Joris,

glm() handles proportions but will give you a warning (and not an error)
about non-integer values. So if you get an error then there should be
something wrong with the syntax, model or data. Can you provide us with
a reproducible example?

Cheers,

Thierry




ir. Thierry Onkelinx
Instituut voor natuur- en bosonderzoek / Research Institute for Nature
and Forest
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Onderwerp: [R] modelling probabilities instead of binary data with
logisticregression

Dear all,

I have a dataset where I reduced the dimensionality, and now I have a
response variable with probabilities/proportions between 0 and 1. I
wanted
to do a logistic regression on those, but the function glm refuses to do
that with non-integer values in the response. I also tried lrm, but that
one
interpretes the probabilities as different levels and gives for every
level
a different intercept. Not exactly what I want...

Is there a way to specify that the response variable should be
interpreted
as a probability?

Kind regards
Joris

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Re: [R] modelling probabilities instead of binary data with logisticregression

2009-03-25 Thread joris meys
Hi Thierry,

You're very right and I was very wrong. It's a warning indeed, and the
outcome is close to what I become if I calculate the logit transformation
myself (although not exactly the same, but I guess that has to do with the
correction the logit function does when p=0 or p=1).

I should have paid more attention to the course of categorical ;-)
Kind regards
Joris

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:32 AM, ONKELINX, Thierry 
thierry.onkel...@inbo.be wrote:

 Hi Joris,

 glm() handles proportions but will give you a warning (and not an error)
 about non-integer values. So if you get an error then there should be
 something wrong with the syntax, model or data. Can you provide us with
 a reproducible example?

 Cheers,

 Thierry


 
 
 ir. Thierry Onkelinx
 Instituut voor natuur- en bosonderzoek / Research Institute for Nature
 and Forest
 Cel biometrie, methodologie en kwaliteitszorg / Section biometrics,
 methodology and quality assurance
 Gaverstraat 4
 9500 Geraardsbergen
 Belgium
 tel. + 32 54/436 185
 thierry.onkel...@inbo.be
 www.inbo.be

 To call in the statistician after the experiment is done may be no more
 than asking him to perform a post-mortem examination: he may be able to
 say what the experiment died of.
 ~ Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher

 The plural of anecdote is not data.
 ~ Roger Brinner

 The combination of some data and an aching desire for an answer does not
 ensure that a reasonable answer can be extracted from a given body of
 data.
 ~ John Tukey

 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 Van: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org]
 Namens joris meys
 Verzonden: dinsdag 24 maart 2009 20:30
 Aan: R-help Mailing List
 Onderwerp: [R] modelling probabilities instead of binary data with
 logisticregression

 Dear all,

 I have a dataset where I reduced the dimensionality, and now I have a
 response variable with probabilities/proportions between 0 and 1. I
 wanted
 to do a logistic regression on those, but the function glm refuses to do
 that with non-integer values in the response. I also tried lrm, but that
 one
 interpretes the probabilities as different levels and gives for every
 level
 a different intercept. Not exactly what I want...

 Is there a way to specify that the response variable should be
 interpreted
 as a probability?

 Kind regards
 Joris

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