Re: [R] Models for Discrete Choice in R
Iuri Gavronski wrote: Frank, I certainly can't speak for Emmanuel. I don't know his reasons. The reason I've posted this question is the fact that (as far as I understood), ordinal regression is based on logistic regression (or probit), and logistic regression expects a formula like dichotomous ~ ratio1 + ratio2 + ... + ration. However, most examples I've found in Design, MASS and VGAM test models like ordinal ~ categorical1 + categorical2 + ... + categoricaln. I wonder if it is just coincidence or I have just found the wrong functions. Logistic regression includes binary, ordinal, and polytomous (multinomial) cases. Binary logistic regression needs a binary response. Ordinal logistic regression (usually proportional odds but can be other flavors such as continuation ratio model) needs an ordinal response. The polr and lrm functions work this way. Frank Best, Iuri. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Frank E Harrell Jr f.harr...@vanderbilt.edu wrote: Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 19:05 -0600, Frank E Harrell Jr a écrit : Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 17:07 -0200, Iuri Gavronski a écrit : Hi, I would like to fit Logit models for ordered data, such as those suggested by Greene (2003), p. 736. Does anyone suggests any package in R for that? look up the polr function in package MASS (and read the relevant pages in VR4 and some quoted references...) or the slightly more sophisticated (larger range of models) lrm function in F. Harrell's Design (now rms) packge (but be aware that Design is a huge beast witch carries its own computing universe, based on (strong) Harrell's view of what a regression analysis should be : reading his book is, IMHO, necessary to understand his choices and agree (or disgree) with them). If you have a multilevel model (a. k. a. one random effect grouping), the repolr packge aims at that, but I've been unable to use it recently (numerical exceptions). By the way, my dependent variable is ordinal and my independent variables are ratio/intervalar. Numeric ? Then maybe some recoding/transformation is in order ... in which case Design/rms might or might not be useful. I'm not clear on what recoding or transformation is needed for an ordinal dependent variable and ratio/interval independent variables, nor why rms/Design would not be useful. I was thinking about transformations/recoding of the *independent* variables... Emmanuel Charpentier I realize that; still unclear. Frank __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Models for Discrete Choice in R
Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 19:05 -0600, Frank E Harrell Jr a écrit : Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 17:07 -0200, Iuri Gavronski a écrit : Hi, I would like to fit Logit models for ordered data, such as those suggested by Greene (2003), p. 736. Does anyone suggests any package in R for that? look up the polr function in package MASS (and read the relevant pages in VR4 and some quoted references...) or the slightly more sophisticated (larger range of models) lrm function in F. Harrell's Design (now rms) packge (but be aware that Design is a huge beast witch carries its own computing universe, based on (strong) Harrell's view of what a regression analysis should be : reading his book is, IMHO, necessary to understand his choices and agree (or disgree) with them). If you have a multilevel model (a. k. a. one random effect grouping), the repolr packge aims at that, but I've been unable to use it recently (numerical exceptions). By the way, my dependent variable is ordinal and my independent variables are ratio/intervalar. Numeric ? Then maybe some recoding/transformation is in order ... in which case Design/rms might or might not be useful. I'm not clear on what recoding or transformation is needed for an ordinal dependent variable and ratio/interval independent variables, nor why rms/Design would not be useful. I was thinking about transformations/recoding of the *independent* variables... Emmanuel Charpentier __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Models for Discrete Choice in R
Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 19:05 -0600, Frank E Harrell Jr a écrit : Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 17:07 -0200, Iuri Gavronski a écrit : Hi, I would like to fit Logit models for ordered data, such as those suggested by Greene (2003), p. 736. Does anyone suggests any package in R for that? look up the polr function in package MASS (and read the relevant pages in VR4 and some quoted references...) or the slightly more sophisticated (larger range of models) lrm function in F. Harrell's Design (now rms) packge (but be aware that Design is a huge beast witch carries its own computing universe, based on (strong) Harrell's view of what a regression analysis should be : reading his book is, IMHO, necessary to understand his choices and agree (or disgree) with them). If you have a multilevel model (a. k. a. one random effect grouping), the repolr packge aims at that, but I've been unable to use it recently (numerical exceptions). By the way, my dependent variable is ordinal and my independent variables are ratio/intervalar. Numeric ? Then maybe some recoding/transformation is in order ... in which case Design/rms might or might not be useful. I'm not clear on what recoding or transformation is needed for an ordinal dependent variable and ratio/interval independent variables, nor why rms/Design would not be useful. I was thinking about transformations/recoding of the *independent* variables... Emmanuel Charpentier I realize that; still unclear. Frank -- Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair School of Medicine Department of Biostatistics Vanderbilt University __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Models for Discrete Choice in R
Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 17:07 -0200, Iuri Gavronski a écrit : Hi, I would like to fit Logit models for ordered data, such as those suggested by Greene (2003), p. 736. Does anyone suggests any package in R for that? look up the polr function in package MASS (and read the relevant pages in VR4 and some quoted references...) or the slightly more sophisticated (larger range of models) lrm function in F. Harrell's Design (now rms) packge (but be aware that Design is a huge beast witch carries its own computing universe, based on (strong) Harrell's view of what a regression analysis should be : reading his book is, IMHO, necessary to understand his choices and agree (or disgree) with them). If you have a multilevel model (a. k. a. one random effect grouping), the repolr packge aims at that, but I've been unable to use it recently (numerical exceptions). By the way, my dependent variable is ordinal and my independent variables are ratio/intervalar. Numeric ? Then maybe some recoding/transformation is in order ... in which case Design/rms might or might not be useful. HTH, Emmanuel Charpentier __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Models for Discrete Choice in R
Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: Le dimanche 08 novembre 2009 à 17:07 -0200, Iuri Gavronski a écrit : Hi, I would like to fit Logit models for ordered data, such as those suggested by Greene (2003), p. 736. Does anyone suggests any package in R for that? look up the polr function in package MASS (and read the relevant pages in VR4 and some quoted references...) or the slightly more sophisticated (larger range of models) lrm function in F. Harrell's Design (now rms) packge (but be aware that Design is a huge beast witch carries its own computing universe, based on (strong) Harrell's view of what a regression analysis should be : reading his book is, IMHO, necessary to understand his choices and agree (or disgree) with them). If you have a multilevel model (a. k. a. one random effect grouping), the repolr packge aims at that, but I've been unable to use it recently (numerical exceptions). By the way, my dependent variable is ordinal and my independent variables are ratio/intervalar. Numeric ? Then maybe some recoding/transformation is in order ... in which case Design/rms might or might not be useful. I'm not clear on what recoding or transformation is needed for an ordinal dependent variable and ratio/interval independent variables, nor why rms/Design would not be useful. Frank HTH, Emmanuel Charpentier -- Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair School of Medicine Department of Biostatistics Vanderbilt University __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
