Re: [R] Two factor ANOVA in lme

2004-11-24 Thread Fernando Henrique Ferraz P. da Rosa
nat writes:
 I want to specify a two-factor model in lme, which should be easy? 
 Here's what I have:
 
 factor 1 - treatment FIXED (two levels)
 factor 2 - genotype RANDOM (160 genotypes in total)
 
 I need a model that tells me whether the treatment, genotype and 
 interaction terms are significant. I have been reading 'Mixed effects 
 models in S' but in all examples the random factor is not in the main 
 model - it is a nesting factor etc to specify the error structure. Here 
 i need the random factor in the model.
 
 I have tried this:
 
 height.aov-lme(height~trt*genotype,data.reps,random=~1|genotype,na.action=na.exclude)
 
 but the output is nothing like that from Minitab (my only previous 
 experience of stats software). The results for the interaction term are 
 the same but F values for the factors alone are very different between 
 Minitab and R.
 
 This is a very simple model but I can't figure out how to specify it. 
 Help would be much appreciated.
 
 As background: The data are from a QTL mapping population, which is why 
 I must test to see if genotype is significant and also why genotype is a 
 random factor.
 
 Thanks

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I recentely adjusted such a model  (two effects, one fixed,
another random, with interaction effects) using lme. I used the
following command: 

 z1 - lme(reacao ~ posicao,data=memoria,random=~1|subject/posicao)

Where my model is 

 reacao = mu + posicao (fixed) + posicao*subject (random) +
subject (random)

 Beware though that minitab uses different estimation methods (in lme
itself you may use maximum likelihood other restricted m.l) and the
results need not to be the same.

 


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[R] Two factor ANOVA in lme

2004-11-21 Thread nat
I want to specify a two-factor model in lme, which should be easy? 
Here's what I have:

factor 1 - treatment FIXED (two levels)
factor 2 - genotype RANDOM (160 genotypes in total)
I need a model that tells me whether the treatment, genotype and 
interaction terms are significant. I have been reading 'Mixed effects 
models in S' but in all examples the random factor is not in the main 
model - it is a nesting factor etc to specify the error structure. Here 
i need the random factor in the model.

I have tried this:
height.aov-lme(height~trt*genotype,data.reps,random=~1|genotype,na.action=na.exclude)
but the output is nothing like that from Minitab (my only previous 
experience of stats software). The results for the interaction term are 
the same but F values for the factors alone are very different between 
Minitab and R.

This is a very simple model but I can't figure out how to specify it. 
Help would be much appreciated.

As background: The data are from a QTL mapping population, which is why 
I must test to see if genotype is significant and also why genotype is a 
random factor.

Thanks
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