[R-sig-eco] wascores() for metaMDS?

2009-08-19 Thread gabriel singer

Hi sig-ecology!

Here comes a probably stupid question... I am looking for smart ways to 
include information about underlying variables in MDS plots. In other 
words, after having computed an ordination with isoMDS or metaMDS from a 
community table, I would like to add something like species 
coefficients/loadings as vectors to the plot of sites. As no species 
coefficients exist in this case, the best I could come up with so far is 
simply vectors calculated from correlation coefficients of the 
individual species with the site scores (on two MDS axes).
The function metaMDS allows to compute species scores using the 
function wascores() I have now pondered for 2 days how these scores 
are calculated and what their precise meaning would be. Would these 
species scores be appropriate to show as vectors in the MDS?

Thanks for any answer...

Gabriel Singer

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Re: [R-sig-eco] wascores() for metaMDS?

2009-08-19 Thread Jari Oksanen
Gabriel,


On 19/08/09 12:40 PM, gabriel singer gabriel.sin...@univie.ac.at wrote:

 Hi sig-ecology!
 
 Here comes a probably stupid question... I am looking for smart ways to
 include information about underlying variables in MDS plots. In other
 words, after having computed an ordination with isoMDS or metaMDS from a
 community table, I would like to add something like species
 coefficients/loadings as vectors to the plot of sites. As no species
 coefficients exist in this case, the best I could come up with so far is
 simply vectors calculated from correlation coefficients of the
 individual species with the site scores (on two MDS axes).
 The function metaMDS allows to compute species scores using the
 function wascores() I have now pondered for 2 days how these scores
 are calculated and what their precise meaning would be. Would these
 species scores be appropriate to show as vectors in the MDS?
 Thanks for any answer...
 
I think these were documented... Please point out the unclear parts of the
documentation so that I can correct those.

The wascores are Weighted Averages Scores and they are calculated like
weighted averages, or similarly as species scores in correspondence
analysis. This means that (with some scaling) they show the centroid
(barycentre) of the species occurrence in the ordination graph. It is not
appropriate to present these as arrows which indicate a linear increase to
the direction of the arrow instead of the centre of abundance. Therefore the
species scores can (and as default in metaMDS, will) be presented as points.
If -- for any reason that is none of my business -- you want to get vectors
of species, you can fit species as vectors. This happens with metaMDS or
isoMDS like this:

library(vegan)
data(dune)
m - metaMDS(dune)
# or m - isoMDS(vegdist(dune))
vec - envfit(m, dune)
plot(m, dis=site)
# or with isoMDS: ordiplot(m)
plot(vec)

I promised that I won't comment on this, but still I must say that I cannot
find a reason to do so.

Please note that you can also use ordisurf to fit nonlinear species
responses if you think that species are not points nor arrows. Vegan
tutorial (from the Web) gives an example.

Cheers, Jari Oksanen

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Re: [R-sig-eco] Help with downloading package

2009-08-19 Thread Peter Solymos
Dear Leigh,

You have 2 options:

1. build the MAC OS X package for yourself and install it, in this way
you will be able to use the help files as usual,
2. unpack the .tar.gz and source all files in the /R directory (on how
to do it at once see Example in help(source)).

Cheers,

Peter


On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Leigh Fallleigh.f...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey all,

 I have recently starting using R, so I'm still on the steep-learning curve
 of the program.  I have been unable to install Diveristy.R from Dr.
 Pelissier's website (http://pelissier.free.fr/Diversity.html).  I have
 downloaded the libraries ade4 and spdep (along with all the other
 packages needed to run spdep).  I'm running R version 2.9.1 on a MAC OS X
 version 10.5.8.  When I click on Package source (all platforms):
 diversity_1.5-9.tar.gzhttp://pelissier.free.fr/diversity/R-2.8.1/diversity_1.5-9.tar.gz
 from the website, a folder labeled diversity is downloaded onto my
 desktop.  One question I have is where the package/folder/library should be
 downloaded.   My other question is how to install it.  I've tried to Package
 Installer-Local Binary Package and Local Source Package at the user level
 without success.  I also just downloaded the tar.gz file directly to my
 desktop and then use the Package Installer, but again without success.  I
 tried the install.packages command, but I don't know if I'm using it
 correctly.  The solution is probably simple, but with my limited experience
 with writing code and programming, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

 Any help will be appreciated!!  Many thanks in advance!!!

 Cheers,
 Leigh


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