Re: [R-sig-eco] Error with raup distance, in metaMDS

2011-03-29 Thread Manuel Spínola
Thank you very much Brian.

Best,

Manuel

On 28/03/2011 06:07 a.m., Brian Inouye wrote:
 There are other dissimilarity metrics that could also be used, each 
 with different assumptions of course.
 Raup-Crick is a reasonable choice of distance metric, but I'm not sure 
 if the current version of vegdist() has been updated to reflect 
 discussion in Chase et al 2011 in Ecosphere 
 (http://www.esajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1890/ES10-00117.1).

 -Brian

 On 3/28/2011 12:00 PM,Manuel Spínolamspinol...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Is the Raup--Crick dissimilarity metric the only option for a
 presence/absence data in vegdist or using binary = T could I use any
 other dissimilarity metric?

 Best,

 Manuel
 snip
 On 27/03/2011 09:07 a.m., Jari Oksanen wrote:
 Manuel,

 As I read it, the error message comes from isoMDS() that does not 
 accept
 zero distances, and you have decided to ignore this (by setting 
 zerodist =
 ignore). Either you or isoMDS must give up, and I think it is 
 easier for
 you: try setting 'zerodist = add', and confess that isoMDS() wins 
 your
 dispute.

 Another message you got is from vegdist() which only tells you that 
 empty
 species (= that do not occur in your data) will influence your data. 
 That is
 only informational, and not an error.

 Cheers, Jari Oksanen

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Re: [R-sig-eco] Error with raup distance in metaMDS

2011-03-27 Thread Jari Oksanen
On 26/03/11 17:35 PM, Manuel Spínola mspinol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear list members,
 
 I got an error message working with Raup–Crick distance in metaMDS.
 
 flora.mds = metaMDS(indicadora, distance = raup, trace = FALSE, zerodist
 = ignore)
 Error in isoMDS(dist, k = k, trace = isotrace) :
   zero or negative distance between objects 1 and 2
 In addition: Warning message:
 In distfun(comm, method = distance, ...) :
   data have empty species which influence the results im method raup
 
Manuel,

As I read it, the error message comes from isoMDS() that does not accept
zero distances, and you have decided to ignore this (by setting zerodist =
ignore). Either you or isoMDS must give up, and I think it is easier for
you: try setting 'zerodist = add', and confess that isoMDS() wins your
dispute.

Another message you got is from vegdist() which only tells you that empty
species (= that do not occur in your data) will influence your data. That is
only informational, and not an error.

Cheers, Jari Oksanen

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[R-sig-eco] Error with raup distance in metaMDS

2011-03-26 Thread Manuel Spínola
Dear list members,

I got an error message working with Raup–Crick distance in metaMDS.

 flora.mds = metaMDS(indicadora, distance = raup, trace = FALSE, zerodist
= ignore)
Error in isoMDS(dist, k = k, trace = isotrace) :
  zero or negative distance between objects 1 and 2
In addition: Warning message:
In distfun(comm, method = distance, ...) :
  data have empty species which influence the results im method raup

Best,

Manuel

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