Re: [R-sig-eco] reporting non significant glmmPQL results of a fixed factor with two three levels

2014-01-02 Thread Ben Bolker
marieline gentes  writes:

> Dear list, 
> 
> I'm just starting to learn how to use glmmPQL and I 
> have a very basic question. I'm a bit embarrassed asking
> this, but I could not find a clear answer anywhere,
> and I did search quite a bit. Unfortunately there is no
> one around me to ask - none of my collegues work with glmmPQL. 
> 
> Here is the fixed effects section of my output: 
> 
> Fixed effects: cbind(ColoYes.allnoF24, ColoNo.allnoF24) ~ year.coded + sex
>  
>                      Value Std.Error DF   t-value p-value
> (Intercept)      1.4442270 0.1824173 74  7.917161  0.
> year.codedY2011 -0.1733713 0.1864744 74 -0.929732  0.3555
> year.codedY2012 -0.3004284 0.2027411 74 -1.481833  0.1426
> sexM             0.4403108 0.1507471 74  2.920857  0.0046
 
> I simply want to report the fact that year (categorical, three
> levels) is not significant. In traditional linear models I would
> simply report the p value for treatment "year" from an anova
> table. But my understanding is that producing an anova
> from glmmPQL is not possible (?). Reporting those individual p
> values of my three years separately seems clumsy and out of place...
 
> What is the proper way to do this ? 

Since glmmPQL doesn't technically compute likelihoods, and its
authors are purists, it doesn't provide standard likelihood-based
model comparison tools.

You could switch to glmer, from the lme4 package, or I suppose
you could use Fisher's method or some equivalent to combine the
p values: see this thread (which also suggests alternatives)

http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/combining-P-values-using-Fisher-s-method-
td832459.html [URL broken]

or

http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/library/MADAM/html/fisher.method.html


  good luck
Ben Bolker

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[R-sig-eco] reporting non significant glmmPQL results of a fixed factor with two three levels

2013-12-05 Thread marieline gentes
Dear list, 

I'm just starting to learn how to use glmmPQL and I have a very basic question. 
I'm a bit embarrassed asking this, but I could not find a clear answer 
anywhere, and I did search quite a bit. Unfortunately there is no one around me 
to ask - none of my collegues work with glmmPQL. 

Here is the fixed effects section of my output: 

Fixed effects: cbind(ColoYes.allnoF24, ColoNo.allnoF24) ~ year.coded + sex
 
                     Value Std.Error DF   t-value p-value
(Intercept)      1.4442270 0.1824173 74  7.917161  0.
year.codedY2011 -0.1733713 0.1864744 74 -0.929732  0.3555
year.codedY2012 -0.3004284 0.2027411 74 -1.481833  0.1426
sexM             0.4403108 0.1507471 74  2.920857  0.0046


I simply want to report the fact that year (categorical, three levels) is not 
significant. In traditional linear models I would simply report the p value for 
treatment "year" from an anova table. But my understanding is that producing an 
anova from glmmPQL is not possible (?). Reporting those individual p values of 
my three years separately seems clumsy and out of place...

What is the proper way to do this ? 

Thank you very much for your help,

Marie
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