Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Kasper Daniel Hansen]

Greg,

Perhaps you're confused by the wording? It says "R compiled for High Sierra
OR HIGHER". This is a minimum OS version. It doesn't mean you need to run
High Sierra to use this binary.

Best,
Kasper

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 8:32 PM Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac <
r-sig-mac@r-project.org> wrote:

> The web site https://mac.r-project.org/ 
> specifically shows that as of Thu 2021-01-14 00:56
> 1. R compiled for Big Sur for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip is NOT
> available.
> 2. R complied for "high-sierra” for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip
> IS available.
> However, my Mac is running Big Sur OS, and my Mac is too new to be able to
> run the older High Sierra OS.
> Greg Coats
> > On Jan 14, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Jean Thioulouse <
> jean.thioulo...@univ-lyon1.fr> wrote:
> >
> > - On Intel Macs:
> >
> > R 4.0.3 binary is available for macOS 10.13 (High Sierra) and higher
> (including Big Sur)
>
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Duncan Murdoch]

On 14/01/2021 1:06 p.m., Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac wrote:

macOS Big Sur has shipped with all Apple Mac computers since Thu 2020-11-12.
The web site https://mac.r-project.org/ shows that as of Thu 2021-01-14 00:56
1. R compiled for Big Sur for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip is not 
available.
2. R compiled for Big Sur for Macs with the Apple M1 RISC chip (=ARM64) FAILED 
to compile.
So, R is not available to any of us who have bought Apple Mac computers in the 
past 2 months.

A note posted to R-SIG-Mac on Thu 2021-01-14 by Brian Ripley says
"The goal remains to release a native binary distribution with R 4.1.0 about April 
2021."
A similar note posted on Fri 2021-01-08 said
"We hope this will be solved by the end of January 2021."

Waiting until April 2021 to run an application on a computer purchased in Nov 
2020 seems like a very long wait. I suggest a goal of releasing R compiled for 
Big Sur for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip before the end of January 2021.
Greg Coats


You are being quite rude, repeating the same incorrect information.

Prof Ripley's notes were not about your system, they were about the M1 Macs.

For your system,

https://cran.r-project.org/bin/macosx/

contains a build of R 4.0.3 that is "for macOS 10.13 (High Sierra) and 
higher".  That's what Jean Thiolouse was referring to.


It's possible that the package on CRAN doesn't work on your system, but 
it doesn't sound as if you've tried it.


Duncan Murdoch

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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac]

The web site https://mac.r-project.org/  
specifically shows that as of Thu 2021-01-14 00:56 
1. R compiled for Big Sur for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip is NOT 
available.
2. R complied for "high-sierra” for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip IS 
available.
However, my Mac is running Big Sur OS, and my Mac is too new to be able to run 
the older High Sierra OS.
Greg Coats
> On Jan 14, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Jean Thioulouse  
> wrote:
> 
> - On Intel Macs:
> 
> R 4.0.3 binary is available for macOS 10.13 (High Sierra) and higher 
> (including Big Sur)


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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Jean Thioulouse]

Hi

- On Intel Macs:

R 4.0.3 binary is available for macOS 10.13 (High Sierra) and higher (including 
Big Sur).

- On M1 Macs (Big Sur) :

You can use the above R binary in Rosetta mode (faster than on most intel macs)

And, if you are "intrepid" (according to Prof. Ripley): There is an 
experimental R-devel build of the R framework at https://mac.r-project.org/.  
That page reports 'failed' but usually the framework is complete.

Both are doing quite well on my Mac Mini M1 and run faster that on my Intel 
Core i5 2018 MacBook Pro.

And you can also use RStudio in Rosetta mode.

Jean


> Le 14 janv. 2021 à 19:06, Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac 
>  a écrit :
> 
> macOS Big Sur has shipped with all Apple Mac computers since Thu 2020-11-12.
> The web site https://mac.r-project.org/ shows that as of Thu 2021-01-14 00:56 
> 1. R compiled for Big Sur for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip is not 
> available.
> 2. R compiled for Big Sur for Macs with the Apple M1 RISC chip (=ARM64) 
> FAILED to compile.
> So, R is not available to any of us who have bought Apple Mac computers in 
> the past 2 months.
> 
> A note posted to R-SIG-Mac on Thu 2021-01-14 by Brian Ripley says 
> "The goal remains to release a native binary distribution with R 4.1.0 about 
> April 2021."
> A similar note posted on Fri 2021-01-08 said 
> "We hope this will be solved by the end of January 2021."
> 
> Waiting until April 2021 to run an application on a computer purchased in Nov 
> 2020 seems like a very long wait. I suggest a goal of releasing R compiled 
> for Big Sur for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip before the end of 
> January 2021.
> Greg Coats
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac]

macOS Big Sur has shipped with all Apple Mac computers since Thu 2020-11-12.
The web site https://mac.r-project.org/ shows that as of Thu 2021-01-14 00:56 
1. R compiled for Big Sur for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip is not 
available.
2. R compiled for Big Sur for Macs with the Apple M1 RISC chip (=ARM64) FAILED 
to compile.
So, R is not available to any of us who have bought Apple Mac computers in the 
past 2 months.

A note posted to R-SIG-Mac on Thu 2021-01-14 by Brian Ripley says 
"The goal remains to release a native binary distribution with R 4.1.0 about 
April 2021."
A similar note posted on Fri 2021-01-08 said 
"We hope this will be solved by the end of January 2021."

Waiting until April 2021 to run an application on a computer purchased in Nov 
2020 seems like a very long wait. I suggest a goal of releasing R compiled for 
Big Sur for Macs with the Intel CISC x86_64 chip before the end of January 2021.
Greg Coats
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[THIOULOUSE JEAN]

> Le 11 janv. 2021 à 16:26, Kasper Daniel Hansen  
> a écrit :
> 
> Jean: _guessing_ this may be about parallel processing in BLAS? Does your 
> timing include linear algebra?

Yes it is mostly linear algebra, but the slowdown is the same in parallel 
processing and in single processor mode (4 times slower in both).

> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 2:38 PM Jean Thioulouse 
>  wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Both versions seem to run fine indeed, but on my Mac mini M1, the arm version 
> (homebrew R) is much slower than the intel version (CRAN R), which is quite 
> disappointing.
> 
> The speed ratio I get is about 4 times slower for the arm version compared to 
> the intel version, both in single processor and parallel computing mode.
> 
> Any idea about why I get these results ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jean
> 
> —-
> Jean THIOULOUSE - orcid.org/-0001-7664-0598
> http://lbbe.univ-lyon1.fr/-Thioulouse-Jean-.html
> https://www.springer.com/fr/book/9781493988488
> 
> 
> > Le 11 janv. 2021 à 10:53, Denis-Alexander Engemann 
> >  a écrit :
> > 
> > I have been using both Rosetta emulation and the homebrew builds and
> > everything looks very good so far.
> > 
> > Here are two Twitter threads on M1 benchmarks.
> > 
> > https://twitter.com/fxcoudert/status/1342598509418176514?s=20
> > 
> > https://twitter.com/dngman/status/1342580260815200257?s=20
> > 
> > Best,
> > Denis
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:11 AM Dr Eberhard W Lisse  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I use the homebrew R for the Intel and then install.packages(), 
> >> update.package() from scripts and  Rstudio’s Tools->.
> >> 
> >> I don’t have an M1 (yet) but would be interested in seeing how that works 
> >> on the M1. Probably this will pull the sources and hence I would be 
> >> grateful to read about that.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> greetings, el
> >> 
> >> —
> >> Sent from Dr Lisse’s iPhone
> >> On 11 Jan 2021, 10:05 +0200, Patrick Schratz , 
> >> wrote:
> >>> There is a [native arm64 big sur
> >>> binary](https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/8a6807be6abb44634e7d6d153348b6bba2a5ddc6/Formula/r.rb#L16)
> >>> in homebrew since some days.
> >>> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:39, Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac wrote:
> >>> 
>  I purchased a new 13 inch Apple MacBook Pro with the M1 System on a
>  Chip. I understand that R is not yet available compiled for the M1 SoC
>  hardware, and so I am using Apple’s Rosetta 2.
>  However, this MacBook Pro requires Apple macOS Big Sur. From what I
>  see at https://mac.r-project.org/ R has not been compiled for macOS
>  Big Sur. Is there an executable of R for macOS Big Sur available to
>  download?
>  Greg Coats
>  
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Kasper Daniel Hansen]

Jean: _guessing_ this may be about parallel processing in BLAS? Does your
timing include linear algebra?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 2:38 PM Jean Thioulouse <
jean.thioulo...@univ-lyon1.fr> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Both versions seem to run fine indeed, but on my Mac mini M1, the arm
> version (homebrew R) is much slower than the intel version (CRAN R), which
> is quite disappointing.
>
> The speed ratio I get is about 4 times slower for the arm version compared
> to the intel version, both in single processor and parallel computing mode.
>
> Any idea about why I get these results ?
>
> Thanks,
> Jean
>
> —-
> Jean THIOULOUSE - orcid.org/-0001-7664-0598
> http://lbbe.univ-lyon1.fr/-Thioulouse-Jean-.html
> https://www.springer.com/fr/book/9781493988488
>
>
> > Le 11 janv. 2021 à 10:53, Denis-Alexander Engemann <
> denis.engem...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> >
> > I have been using both Rosetta emulation and the homebrew builds and
> > everything looks very good so far.
> >
> > Here are two Twitter threads on M1 benchmarks.
> >
> > https://twitter.com/fxcoudert/status/1342598509418176514?s=20
> >
> > https://twitter.com/dngman/status/1342580260815200257?s=20
> >
> > Best,
> > Denis
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:11 AM Dr Eberhard W Lisse 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I use the homebrew R for the Intel and then install.packages(),
> update.package() from scripts and  Rstudio’s Tools->.
> >>
> >> I don’t have an M1 (yet) but would be interested in seeing how that
> works on the M1. Probably this will pull the sources and hence I would be
> grateful to read about that.
> >>
> >>
> >> greetings, el
> >>
> >> —
> >> Sent from Dr Lisse’s iPhone
> >> On 11 Jan 2021, 10:05 +0200, Patrick Schratz ,
> wrote:
> >>> There is a [native arm64 big sur
> >>> binary](
> https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/8a6807be6abb44634e7d6d153348b6bba2a5ddc6/Formula/r.rb#L16
> )
> >>> in homebrew since some days.
> >>>
> >>> On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:39, Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac wrote:
> >>>
>  I purchased a new 13 inch Apple MacBook Pro with the M1 System on a
>  Chip. I understand that R is not yet available compiled for the M1 SoC
>  hardware, and so I am using Apple’s Rosetta 2.
>  However, this MacBook Pro requires Apple macOS Big Sur. From what I
>  see at https://mac.r-project.org/ R has not been compiled for macOS
>  Big Sur. Is there an executable of R for macOS Big Sur available to
>  download?
>  Greg Coats
> 
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Jean Thioulouse]

Hi

Both versions seem to run fine indeed, but on my Mac mini M1, the arm version 
(homebrew R) is much slower than the intel version (CRAN R), which is quite 
disappointing.

The speed ratio I get is about 4 times slower for the arm version compared to 
the intel version, both in single processor and parallel computing mode.

Any idea about why I get these results ?

Thanks,
Jean

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> Le 11 janv. 2021 à 10:53, Denis-Alexander Engemann  
> a écrit :
> 
> I have been using both Rosetta emulation and the homebrew builds and
> everything looks very good so far.
> 
> Here are two Twitter threads on M1 benchmarks.
> 
> https://twitter.com/fxcoudert/status/1342598509418176514?s=20
> 
> https://twitter.com/dngman/status/1342580260815200257?s=20
> 
> Best,
> Denis
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:11 AM Dr Eberhard W Lisse  wrote:
>> 
>> I use the homebrew R for the Intel and then install.packages(), 
>> update.package() from scripts and  Rstudio’s Tools->.
>> 
>> I don’t have an M1 (yet) but would be interested in seeing how that works on 
>> the M1. Probably this will pull the sources and hence I would be grateful to 
>> read about that.
>> 
>> 
>> greetings, el
>> 
>> —
>> Sent from Dr Lisse’s iPhone
>> On 11 Jan 2021, 10:05 +0200, Patrick Schratz , 
>> wrote:
>>> There is a [native arm64 big sur
>>> binary](https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/8a6807be6abb44634e7d6d153348b6bba2a5ddc6/Formula/r.rb#L16)
>>> in homebrew since some days.
>>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:39, Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac wrote:
>>> 
 I purchased a new 13 inch Apple MacBook Pro with the M1 System on a
 Chip. I understand that R is not yet available compiled for the M1 SoC
 hardware, and so I am using Apple’s Rosetta 2.
 However, this MacBook Pro requires Apple macOS Big Sur. From what I
 see at https://mac.r-project.org/ R has not been compiled for macOS
 Big Sur. Is there an executable of R for macOS Big Sur available to
 download?
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Denis-Alexander Engemann]

I have been using both Rosetta emulation and the homebrew builds and
everything looks very good so far.

Here are two Twitter threads on M1 benchmarks.

https://twitter.com/fxcoudert/status/1342598509418176514?s=20

https://twitter.com/dngman/status/1342580260815200257?s=20

Best,
Denis

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:11 AM Dr Eberhard W Lisse  wrote:
>
> I use the homebrew R for the Intel and then install.packages(), 
> update.package() from scripts and  Rstudio’s Tools->.
>
> I don’t have an M1 (yet) but would be interested in seeing how that works on 
> the M1. Probably this will pull the sources and hence I would be grateful to 
> read about that.
>
>
> greetings, el
>
> —
> Sent from Dr Lisse’s iPhone
> On 11 Jan 2021, 10:05 +0200, Patrick Schratz , 
> wrote:
> > There is a [native arm64 big sur
> > binary](https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/8a6807be6abb44634e7d6d153348b6bba2a5ddc6/Formula/r.rb#L16)
> > in homebrew since some days.
> >
> > On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:39, Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac wrote:
> >
> > > I purchased a new 13 inch Apple MacBook Pro with the M1 System on a
> > > Chip. I understand that R is not yet available compiled for the M1 SoC
> > > hardware, and so I am using Apple’s Rosetta 2.
> > > However, this MacBook Pro requires Apple macOS Big Sur. From what I
> > > see at https://mac.r-project.org/ R has not been compiled for macOS
> > > Big Sur. Is there an executable of R for macOS Big Sur available to
> > > download?
> > > Greg Coats
> > >
> > >
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

I use the homebrew R for the Intel and then install.packages(), 
update.package() from scripts and  Rstudio’s Tools->.

I don’t have an M1 (yet) but would be interested in seeing how that works on 
the M1. Probably this will pull the sources and hence I would be grateful to 
read about that.


greetings, el

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On 11 Jan 2021, 10:05 +0200, Patrick Schratz , wrote:
> There is a [native arm64 big sur
> binary](https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/8a6807be6abb44634e7d6d153348b6bba2a5ddc6/Formula/r.rb#L16)
> in homebrew since some days.
>
> On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:39, Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac wrote:
>
> > I purchased a new 13 inch Apple MacBook Pro with the M1 System on a
> > Chip. I understand that R is not yet available compiled for the M1 SoC
> > hardware, and so I am using Apple’s Rosetta 2.
> > However, this MacBook Pro requires Apple macOS Big Sur. From what I
> > see at https://mac.r-project.org/ R has not been compiled for macOS
> > Big Sur. Is there an executable of R for macOS Big Sur available to
> > download?
> > Greg Coats
> >
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Patrick Schratz]

There is a [native arm64 big sur 
binary](https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/8a6807be6abb44634e7d6d153348b6bba2a5ddc6/Formula/r.rb#L16)
 
in homebrew since some days.

On 10 Jan 2021, at 22:39, Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac wrote:

> I purchased a new 13 inch Apple MacBook Pro with the M1 System on a 
> Chip. I understand that R is not yet available compiled for the M1 SoC 
> hardware, and so I am using Apple’s Rosetta 2.
> However, this MacBook Pro requires Apple macOS Big Sur. From what I 
> see at https://mac.r-project.org/ R has not been compiled for macOS 
> Big Sur. Is there an executable of R for macOS Big Sur available to 
> download?
> Greg Coats
>
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Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Brandon Hurr]

It is my understanding that R is working via Rosetta 2 but I don’t have an
M1 machine yet to test.
See here:
https://developer.r-project.org/Blog/public/2020/11/02/will-r-work-on-apple-silicon/index.html

There is rapid movement on native ARM compatibility across all languages
and software. Stay tuned but plunge in and report issues when you can.

B

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> I purchased a new 13 inch Apple MacBook Pro with the M1 System on a Chip.
> I understand that R is not yet available compiled for the M1 SoC hardware,
> and so I am using Apple’s Rosetta 2.
> However, this MacBook Pro requires Apple macOS Big Sur. From what I see at
> https://mac.r-project.org/ R has not been compiled for macOS Big Sur. Is
> there an executable of R for macOS Big Sur available to download?
> Greg Coats
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[R-SIG-Mac] R for macOS Big Sur

[Gregory Coats via R-SIG-Mac]

I purchased a new 13 inch Apple MacBook Pro with the M1 System on a Chip. I 
understand that R is not yet available compiled for the M1 SoC hardware, and so 
I am using Apple’s Rosetta 2. 
However, this MacBook Pro requires Apple macOS Big Sur. From what I see at 
https://mac.r-project.org/ R has not been compiled for macOS Big Sur. Is there 
an executable of R for macOS Big Sur available to download?
Greg Coats


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