[R-sig-phylo] PGLS, polytomies, degrees of freedom and multiple specimens

2011-02-22 Thread Popko Wiersma

Dear all,

Can somebody tell whether one should subtract degrees of freedom when 
applying PGLS with a phylogeny containing soft polytomies? And does it make 
a difference if polytomies originate from data from multiple specimens of 
species?


cheers, Popko Wiersma

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[R-sig-phylo] Multiple sequence alignment in R?

2011-02-22 Thread Scott Chamberlain
Hello, 


Is clustal multiple sequence alignment implemented in any R packages, or is 
there an easy way to call ClustalW on your hard drive from R, perhaps with 
system()


Sincerely, 

Scott Chamberlain
Rice University, EEB Dept.



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Re: [R-sig-phylo] PGLS, polytomies, degrees of freedom and multiple specimens

2011-02-22 Thread Liam J. Revell

Hi Popko,

My sense is that if the polytomy is hard, it is never necessary to 
subtract a degree of freedom.  If the polytomy is firm (sensu Purvis  
Garland 1993) - in that the true tree is fully bifurcating but we cannot 
resolve a multifurcating node due primarily to rapid divergence of the 
descendant taxa - then subtracting a degree of freedom will probably be 
excessively conservative.  If the polytomy is truly soft (sensu Maddison 
1989; Garland  Diaz-Uriarte 1999), then subtracting a degree of freedom 
for each extra furc will probably also be conservative.  [As Rohlf 
2001 points out, this would imply zero degrees of freedom if the 
phylogeny was completely unresolved (p. 2154), which seems excessive.] 
Some of these issues are discussed in Garland  Diaz-Uriarte (1999; 
Syst. Biol.) and elsewhere.


I'm sure that other subscribers to the list could add significant 
insight to this issue beyond what I am able to offer.


- Liam

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On 2/22/2011 5:31 AM, Popko Wiersma wrote:

Dear all,

Can somebody tell whether one should subtract degrees of freedom when
applying PGLS with a phylogeny containing soft polytomies? And does it
make a difference if polytomies originate from data from multiple
specimens of species?

cheers, Popko Wiersma

- I reposted this message because the first attempt did not show the
text directly in the message body. Apologies for any confusion -

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Re: [R-sig-phylo] Multiple sequence alignment in R?

2011-02-22 Thread Nick Matzke

You can call any command-line thing from R with system().

Typically I use R to write the control file (e.g. for r8s), 
then do something like...


cmdstr = paste(program_name, -options, control_file, 
 output.log, sep= )

system(cmdstr)

Cheers!
Nick

On 2/22/11 5:42 AM, Scott Chamberlain wrote:

Hello,


Is clustal multiple sequence alignment implemented in any R packages, or is 
there an easy way to call ClustalW on your hard drive from R, perhaps with 
system()


Sincerely,

Scott Chamberlain
Rice University, EEB Dept.



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