[R-sig-phylo] PGLS vs OUwie?

2015-05-05 Thread William Gearty
Hi all,
This may be a very basic question, but I have been racking my brain since
my advisor asked me yesterday in our meeting.
What are the fundamental differences (if any) between GLS (PGLS) and
something like ouch or OUwie?
If there is already literature related to this, please feel free to just
point me in that direction.
Thanks in advance,
Will

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Re: [R-sig-phylo] PGLS vs OUwie?

2015-05-05 Thread Theodore Garland Jr
Dear Will,

I suggest that you read the Appendix in this paper Lavin et al. (2008) 
(available on my website) and then the original papers by Butler and King on 
OUCH, etc.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/590395

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Subject: [R-sig-phylo] PGLS vs OUwie?

Hi all,
This may be a very basic question, but I have been racking my brain since
my advisor asked me yesterday in our meeting.
What are the fundamental differences (if any) between GLS (PGLS) and
something like ouch or OUwie?
If there is already literature related to this, please feel free to just
point me in that direction.
Thanks in advance,
Will

--
William Gearty
PhD Student, Paleobiology
Department of Geological Sciences
Stanford School of Earth, Energy  Environmental Sciences
people.stanford.edu/wgearty

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Re: [R-sig-phylo] PGLS vs OUwie?

2015-05-05 Thread Julien Clavel

















Hi William,

  

�ouch� and �OUwie� are based on Generalized Least
Squares (GLS). Indeed, �generalized� mean that we can fit a linear model with
between species hierarchical structure ( given e.g. by interspecies evolutionary
variances-covariances according to an Ornstein-Uhlenbeck process)

 

Nevertheless, it�s true that in most papers you
will often find the term (P)GLS when a linear model with one response variable 
and
one predictor variable is fitted. Methods such as �ouch� and �OUwie� fit a model
without intercept (or predictor variable) but there is no differences in the
statistical machinery behind�

 

Best,

 

Julien


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 Hi all,
 This may be a very basic question, but I have been racking my brain since
 my advisor asked me yesterday in our meeting.
 What are the fundamental differences (if any) between GLS (PGLS) and
 something like ouch or OUwie?
 If there is already literature related to this, please feel free to just
 point me in that direction.
 Thanks in advance,
 Will
 
 -- 
 William Gearty
 PhD Student, Paleobiology
 Department of Geological Sciences
 Stanford School of Earth, Energy  Environmental Sciences
 people.stanford.edu/wgearty
 
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