Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[Matthias Felleisen]

We tried embedding Python into Racket nee PLT Scheme some 20 years ago, twice: 

Here is a paper on the second attempt: 

  From Python to PLT Scheme 
  https://www2.ccs.neu.edu/racket/pubs/#scheme2003-ms

Daniel Silva took the lead on this initiative. The surface language was (back 
then) covered. 
It’s Python runtime system that made it essentially impossible to interop with 
the (even 
then) many C libs. 

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Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[Jens Axel Søgaard]

Den man. 9. okt. 2023 kl. 19.35 skrev Adam Golding :

> I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic in
> its use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but very
> minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
>

There a #lang python implementation here:

https://github.com/pedropramos/PyonR/tree/master

A paper on it:

https://www.inesc-id.pt/ficheiros/publicacoes/10173.pdf

/Jens Axel

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Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[Adam Golding]

Thank god I don't have to use discord ;-)

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:30, Adam Golding  wrote:

> OH
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:28, D. Ben Knoble  wrote:
>
>> Nor on Discourse: I use the mailing list mode.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 12:14 PM Adam Golding 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ah well the practice of email lists does not depend on google... we
>> should presumbly be using matrix chat instead
>> >
>> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:12, Daniel Patterson  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Unlike, e.g., Google?
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 10, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Adam Golding 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yikes, how do we protest introducing a dependency on some corporation?
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:09, D. Ben Knoble 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> You'll probably get more replies on Discourse. A short answer is to
>> mention Rhombus and to recommend looking at all the #langs on the package
>> server and in the docs.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4 Adam Golding wrote:
>> 
>>  I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic
>> in its use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but
>> very minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
>>  --
>>  adamgolding.ca
>> 
>>  ps I have registered micronatrix.com
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Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[Adam Golding]

OH

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:28, D. Ben Knoble  wrote:

> Nor on Discourse: I use the mailing list mode.
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 12:14 PM Adam Golding 
> wrote:
> >
> > ah well the practice of email lists does not depend on google... we
> should presumbly be using matrix chat instead
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:12, Daniel Patterson  wrote:
> >>
> >> Unlike, e.g., Google?
> >>
> >> On Oct 10, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Adam Golding 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yikes, how do we protest introducing a dependency on some corporation?
> >>
> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:09, D. Ben Knoble 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You'll probably get more replies on Discourse. A short answer is to
> mention Rhombus and to recommend looking at all the #langs on the package
> server and in the docs.
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4 Adam Golding wrote:
> 
>  I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic
> in its use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but
> very minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
>  --
>  adamgolding.ca
> 
>  ps I have registered micronatrix.com
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Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[D. Ben Knoble]

Nor on Discourse: I use the mailing list mode.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 12:14 PM Adam Golding  wrote:
>
> ah well the practice of email lists does not depend on google... we should 
> presumbly be using matrix chat instead
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:12, Daniel Patterson  wrote:
>>
>> Unlike, e.g., Google?
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Adam Golding  wrote:
>>
>> Yikes, how do we protest introducing a dependency on some corporation?
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:09, D. Ben Knoble  wrote:
>>>
>>> You'll probably get more replies on Discourse. A short answer is to mention 
>>> Rhombus and to recommend looking at all the #langs on the package server 
>>> and in the docs.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4 Adam Golding wrote:

 I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic in 
 its use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but 
 very minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
 --
 adamgolding.ca

 ps I have registered micronatrix.com
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Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[J. Ryan Stinnett]

In case there's confusion, we're talking about _Discourse_ here (the
open-source forum hosted at https://racket.discourse.group/), and not
_Discord_ (though there's also a Racket channel there).

- Ryan

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 17:16, Adam Golding  wrote:
>
> that being said, it's about minimizing the number of corporations one depends 
> on, not reducing it to zero which is impossible
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:14, Adam Golding  wrote:
>>
>> ah well the practice of email lists does not depend on google... we should 
>> presumbly be using matrix chat instead
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:12, Daniel Patterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Unlike, e.g., Google?
>>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Adam Golding  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yikes, how do we protest introducing a dependency on some corporation?
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:09, D. Ben Knoble  wrote:

 You'll probably get more replies on Discourse. A short answer is to 
 mention Rhombus and to recommend looking at all the #langs on the package 
 server and in the docs.

 On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4 Adam Golding wrote:
>
> I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic in 
> its use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but 
> very minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
> --
> adamgolding.ca
>
> ps I have registered micronatrix.com


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Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[Adam Golding]

that being said, it's about minimizing the number of corporations one
depends on, not reducing it to zero which is impossible

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:14, Adam Golding  wrote:

> ah well the practice of email lists does not depend on google... we should
> presumbly be using matrix chat instead
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:12, Daniel Patterson  wrote:
>
>> Unlike, e.g., Google?
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Adam Golding  wrote:
>>
>> Yikes, how do we protest introducing a dependency on some corporation?
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:09, D. Ben Knoble  wrote:
>>
>>> You'll probably get more replies on Discourse. A short answer is to
>>> mention Rhombus and to recommend looking at all the #langs on the package
>>> server and in the docs.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4 Adam Golding wrote:
>>>
 I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic in
 its use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but very
 minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
 --
 adamgolding.ca

 ps I have registered micronatrix.com

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Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[Adam Golding]

ah well the practice of email lists does not depend on google... we should
presumbly be using matrix chat instead

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:12, Daniel Patterson  wrote:

> Unlike, e.g., Google?
>
> On Oct 10, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Adam Golding  wrote:
>
> Yikes, how do we protest introducing a dependency on some corporation?
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:09, D. Ben Knoble  wrote:
>
>> You'll probably get more replies on Discourse. A short answer is to
>> mention Rhombus and to recommend looking at all the #langs on the package
>> server and in the docs.
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4 Adam Golding wrote:
>>
>>> I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic in
>>> its use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but very
>>> minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
>>> --
>>> adamgolding.ca
>>>
>>> ps I have registered micronatrix.com
>>>
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Re: [racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[Daniel Patterson]

Unlike, e.g., Google? 

> On Oct 10, 2023, at 12:11 PM, Adam Golding  wrote:
> 
> Yikes, how do we protest introducing a dependency on some corporation?
> 
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 12:09, D. Ben Knoble  > wrote:
>> You'll probably get more replies on Discourse. A short answer is to mention 
>> Rhombus and to recommend looking at all the #langs on the package server and 
>> in the docs.
>> 
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:35:11 PM UTC-4 Adam Golding wrote:
>>> I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic in its 
>>> use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but very 
>>> minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
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>>> 
>>> ps I have registered micronatrix.com 
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[racket-users] How 'Pythonic' Can Racket Be Made?

[Adam Golding]

I am going to write a language called 'micronatrix' that is pythonic in its
use of whitespace and even with python 2 type print statements but very
minimal and pared down -- has similar ground been trodden?
--
adamgolding.ca

ps I have registered micronatrix.com

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