Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Mnyb wrote: The track urls are send up to the UESR.com server for use in the UI ok awkward and a bit silly on the side, but sure it will work in most cases . I suspect the reason they do this is that they want to avoid the bother the user with server and let him just choose content without having to know which server that's providing it. This feature is great and something I've always wanted and it makes the system easier to use for non technical users. However, generally I agree with you that the chosen solution is not a good way to implement it, but it was probably the easiest way to implement it if they wanted to base it on the source code from the Squeezebox and LMS. If it had been done the proper way, the UE Smart Radio would likely not be based on Squeezebox/LMS software at all, and this would definitely hurt existing Squeezebox users as Squeezebox/LMS maintenance would be completely ignored. With the chosen solution we can at least get some benefits since it's fairly easy for Logitech to backport changes for UE Smart Radio/UE Music Library to Squeezebox/LMS. An advantage with the chosen solution is that the reliability of uesmartradio.com needs to be a lot better than mysqueezebox.com reliability has been before, because now it's needed for playback of local music and for that it's unacceptable that it's suddenly is gone an hour in the middle of a party. It's annoying if it happens today when listening to some streaming service but it will be extremely annoying if it happens for a UE Smart Radio users as they can't use their device at all if uesmartradio.com goes down. However, I'm sure Logitech will provide a solution for this in a future firmware release if/when they realize they can't ensure the reliability of all ISP's and uesmartradio.com. Mnyb wrote: But a real concern is privacy is there any privacy statement on what Logitech does with this information ? what kind of statistic are retained and saved what are used internally is some of it used on behalf of third parties in any way . As already linked by Michael (and me previously in some thread): http://www.uesmartradio.com/public/privacy It's as clear as any other privacy statement I've seen. We might look at this as a problem, but it could also be the thing that differentiate UE Smart Radio from other products if Logitech would actually start using this data to create mixes, smart playlists, charts and similar thing that would enhance the music listening experience. Unfortunately it didn't sound like this is something they plan to do from a previous reply from Michael, but who knows what will happen in the future, maybe they realize the value of this information and really start to use it as they say in their privacy statement: We use the information you and your product provide to us in order to provide the Smart Radio service to you and enhance and improve it for you and other users, to provide content recommendations, ..., which could result in something similar to what Apple does with their Genius concept. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
yeomanspc wrote: I can sense people thinking .. how ridiculous - whoever heard of an Internet connection being down for more than a few minutes.. Some of us live in 3rd world developing countries like the UK. In June my line was down for 10 days due to water in a connection, and right now my Internet has been not working for 3 weeks due to an ISP configuration issue. I use British Telecom, and it is quite common for them to screw things so you have no connection for a week or more. with UE, no Internet = no music = no thank you. When I was with BT, I had quite a few issues like this. I switched to another ISP with no change in hardware and I've not had a loss of connection since. And my download speed tripled. To require internet access to play local music is frankly bonkers in my view. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
SushiDS wrote: Hi there! For me it all started with a SB3 4 years ago. Now I have the SB3, one Boom and three Radios (all in daily use). If one Radio dies, it can be replaced with another one. If my SB3 (I hope never) dies, I'll probably cry! That's why I bought a Touch yesterday. To (hopefully never) replace my SB3. So when you asked if it could be worth buying one for backup, well it is for me! But I don't use music-services. I mostly (99%) hear local music and I wouldn't mind if mysb.com will be gone in a few years. My own server won't. So long, Sushi just bought a touch more and 1 radio (this one could be useful one day to try the new ue service) nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
squsqu wrote: Why do I need access to the Internet to access the music on my local server? That is more than ridiculous and a NO GO. Your Internet connection is down or you are at a place with no Internet at all (yes this is still possible) - an you want to listen your music? Bad luck Join the club. ;) Not only issues of no internet / down internet, but also of a fall back to streaming online content. On a number of occasions when MySB.com was having issues, using your local LMS server would resolve these issues. How/why? No idea. But limiting play back to only one server eliminates a potential quick fix for many users. :( toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] UE Smart Radio and Live Music Archive working ? but not on Squeezeboxes
Is there any better method of getting to the Logitech/Squeezebox people to get this fixed? The bug report obviously does nothing, complaining on this forum has proved useless, the twitter feed hasn't been updated in 6 months, etc Has the company gone under? Have all the tech people been laid-off? Why is something that's as simple as changing a couple lines of code still not done after 6 months? I doubt anyone from Logitech is reading this, but for god sakes, what is do damn difficult about making customers happy? I used to rave about my Squeezebox. Now...not so much. dogfood1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30010 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96265 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Sorry to briefly hijack this thread. I got here because the Live Music Archive app has not worked for six months! There are at least 2 reported bugs on this issue in bugzilla, but no one has responded to them. I recently tried the Customer Support route. They suggested that I could upgrade to the UE Radio firmware (which does work with LMA). Thanks for answering my question about whether I could use a local non-Internet connected server. Clearly, I can't go the upgrade route. Based on an earlier note from Micheal, though, I'm hoping that some developer time may now be available for bug fixes, and would love to see this one prioritized. Based on the information below (from one of the bug reports), this could be as simple as a 1 line change in the app source code. Any recommendations on how to get Logitech's attention? From Live Music Archive: We switched our domain from www.archive.org to archive.org. If that application is looking for the www that could explain it. hstevenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
mherger wrote: But a real concern is privacy is there any privacy statement on what Logitech does with this information ? what kind of statistic are retained and saved what are used internally is some of it used on behalf of third parties in any way . http://www.uesmartradio.com/public/privacy (linked at the footer of uesr.com) -- Michael Clear as mud :) but thanks anyway for trying. If we try with a very simple example, if I play one local track what happens ? In the context of data harvesting. If I read the statement correct this info is kept as long I have my account , and the redacted info freely shared to affiliates consist of what exactly ? artist, album, song ,some user stats like age and gender a file hash ? Fill in the blanks . And who are affiliates ? A gues is that one use for the stats could be figuring out stuff like middle age men from Sweden listen to Bruce Springsteen which is no surprise but an example :) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Mnyb wrote: If we try with a very simple example, if I play one local track what happens ? In the context of data harvesting. You scrobble to Last.fm anyway, don't you? If I read the statement correct this info is kept as long I have my account , and the redacted info freely shared to affiliates consist of what exactly ? artist, album, song ,some user stats like age and gender a file hash ? Fill in the blanks . And who are affiliates ? Without knowing it I'd bet they keep the info exactly until you delete the track from your current playlist. A gues is that one use for the stats could be figuring out stuff like middle age men from Sweden listen to Bruce Springsteen which is no surprise but an example :) And that would be of value to Logitech exactly how? Are you aware of the effort it takes to create useful information out of just the NowPlaying information used here? Sorry, all of what I'm seeing on the UE Smart Radio has this is what we could do on the short with the few resources we had left written all over it and now you wonder whether they are pulling off a grand google-esce data mining scheme??? No way, Logitech is still busy looking through all the videos they grab from that little camera at the front of the Touch :rolleyes_ pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Mnyb wrote: Clear as mud :) but thanks anyway for trying. If we try with a very simple example, if I play one local track what happens ? In the context of data harvesting. If I read the statement correct this info is kept as long I have my account , and the redacted info freely shared to affiliates consist of what exactly ? artist, album, song ,some user stats like age and gender a file hash ? Fill in the blanks . And who are affiliates ? Have you taken a look at how the privacy policies look for other cloud services ? I suspect most have one that's more or less similar to Logitech's. Mnyb wrote: A gues is that one use for the stats could be figuring out stuff like middle age men from Sweden listen to Bruce Springsteen which is no surprise but an example :) As far as I know I've never registered my age nor my sex at uesmartradio.com, so I can't see how they could know that you are a middle age man or that the person using the Radio is the same as the person who have registered on uesmartradio.com. But they could see what people using their UE Smart Radio in Sweden is most interested in listening to. What's more interesting is services like: - Most popular artists this month - Most popular new album this month - Top listened songs in Sweden this month - Your favorite songs - Top listened songs in Sweden which you have access to either in your local library or through streaming services you subscribe to - Songs you haven't listen to for a long time - Other users in your region which like similar songs as you Basically what LastFM and similar sites provide and also similar to what TrackStat provides but with the possibility to both look at your own statistics and statistics for people in your region. The problem is that at the moment it sounds like Logitech don't plan to do anything like this, they just plan to scrobble to LastFM and rely on LastFM to offer any features, which results in that the statistics is restricted to LastFM subcribers and countries where LastFM streaming is available. The result is that it doesn't become any better than what we currently have and then it's not justified to collect statistics like this. If they want me to send them statistics I prefer that they use it to offer interesting features and not just pass it to third parties. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
pippin wrote: No way, Logitech is still busy looking through all the videos they grab from that little camera at the front of the Touch :rolleyes: I wonder how many people that know that there is a microphone in the Touch, I've tried it and it works. I assume it's used to collect feedback from users, so I always talk nice to my Squeezebox and make sure to never shout at it when it doesn't do what I like :-) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
But they need the clause in the privacy policy because they can't control what statistics e.g. Spotify collects on what you are playing (using their service) though uesmartradio.com. Not even talking about Last.fm... pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
pippin wrote: You scrobble to Last.fm anyway, don't you? Without knowing it I'd bet they keep the info exactly until you delete the track from your current playlist. And that would be of value to Logitech exactly how? Are you aware of the effort it takes to create useful information out of just the NowPlaying information used here? Without even knowing your age and being sure about the country you are from? Or actually ANY personal data? Sorry, all of what I'm seeing on the UE Smart Radio has this is what we could do on the short with the few resources we had left written all over it and now you wonder whether they are pulling off a grand google-esque data mining scheme??? No way, Logitech is still busy looking through all the videos they grab from that little camera at the front of the Touch :rolleyes: yea I wrap my radio in tinfoil ;) but if you don't ask you will ever know . ( but maybe the tin foils goes around the Touch ,was it not thought to respond to motions( gestures ) in beta ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
pippin wrote: ...No way, Logitech is still busy looking through all the videos they grab from that little camera at the front of the Touch :rolleyes: erland wrote: I wonder how many people who know that there is a microphone in the Touch, I've tried it and it works. I assume it's used to collect feedback from users, so I always talk nice to my Squeezebox and make sure to never shout at it when it doesn't do what I like :-) They much having a lot of fun. Many people have the touch by their bed... ply3908's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38634 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Drongo wrote: I am also an XBMC fan and I will get one of the new ANDRIOD boxes and install XBMC on it and use this as a fallback for the duets if and when the hardware dies. Does XMBC include a Squeezebox-Server? justwords's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52020 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
justwords wrote: Does XMBC include a Squeezebox-Server? No. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Will Napster and Spotify still work via LMS if MySqueezebox is shut down? That is the most important feature for my kids and the reason I bought two duet and four controllers which are also used as players in the kids rooms. justwords's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52020 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
justwords wrote: Will Napster and Spotify still work via LMS if MySqueezebox is shut down? That is the most important feature for my kids and the reason I bought two duet and four controllers which are also used as players in the kids rooms. with duet's the only way Spotify is working now is because you must be using Triode's 3rd Party Spotify plugin. that will work without mysb.com. Don't know about Napster. Does it even exist (I thought Rhapsody bought it). Anyhow, I suspect your kids will be grown before they shut down mysb.com. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
I forgot, I meant Rhapdsody which in Europe is called: Napster (but uses Rhapsody tech - by the way does anyone know why all my controllers display Napster while one of them changes the name of the Napster app to rhapsody as soon as I place the app on the home screen. Drives my son mad.) sorry for spotify, I did not use it until now. justwords's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52020 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
erland wrote: As already linked by Michael (and me previously in some thread): http://www.uesmartradio.com/public/privacy It's as clear as any other privacy statement I've seen. IIRC, mysqueezebox.com once used a very similar privacy policy. sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
They much having a lot of fun. Many people have the touch by their bed... Unfortunately our research showed that most Touches are set up in boring living rooms :-). -- Michael ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] New Squeezebox Radio
Mine is in the exciting bathroom. But it's installed right above the toilet to scare you away :P pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96188 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
