Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Ikabob;475341 Wrote: The sync between my SB3 and SB Radio seems to be right on sync! It is nice knowing that the highly skilled Logitech technologists are working to perfect and upgrade the products. Thank you, the Squeezebox system is awesome! I am looking forward to the Touch and to the battery for the Radio. Well today , for some reason??, the sync is way off. A power- cycle doesn't even help. I can' t understand why one day it is good and then not. I'm on msb.com alone. Can sync be perfected? I'm using 4.2.1 /r latest nightly update. Anysuggestions? -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Ikabob;476374 Wrote: Well today , for some reason??, the sync is way off. A power- cycle doesn't even help. I can' t understand why one day it is good and then not. I'm on msb.com alone. Can sync be perfected? I'm using 7.4.2 /r latest nightly update. Anysuggestions? You post is a little contradictory ? If your connected directly to msb.com sync can not be expected to work . If you are listening trough your server sync should work . Does it work with local files ? try that . It should work with radio streams to, when you are listening to radio trough your local server AND syncs then the server is in reality only using one stream from the web station and proxies it to your multiple players. But to rule out the server/network stuff try with local files first. If you are listening directly trough msb.com every sb gets it's own stream even if they are on the same radio channel and as the players are controlled from afar all things can and will happen regarding sync. -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Ikabob;476380 Wrote: Ok. Thanks. I thought that sync would be able to work with msb.com. I rarely listen to radio stations with my pc on. So rarely try sbs. So. Now I know not to expect sync to be very consistant with msb.com. without a local server, sync will vary as the performance of the Internet varies... which is constantly. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
There is a bit of misinformation here. Sync does work with mySB.com but only for music services, such as Pandora, Rhapsody, Napster, etc. That is, services that deliver discrete tracks, one after another, rather than a continuous stream. For radio stations it will not work usefully. It will actually keep them exactly the same time apart :-). This is because each SB connects independently to the stream source, but it turns out not to be at exactly the same time. mySB has no way of working out what the difference in time might be. Sometimes a useful technique can be to keep restarting the station until the two players start up sufficiently in sync. It is also the case that sync can be not quite so tight with mySB but that depends upon many factors. Often it is as good as a local SbS (except for radio). -- awy awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Thank you for this valuble information. Now I will know what to expect. I had thought that since it worked real well a couple days ago that the sync was controllable on MSB.com. Thanks again. -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
The sync between my SB3 and SB Radio seems to be right on sync! It is nice knowing that the highly skilled Logitech technologists are working to perfect and upgrade the products. Thank you, the Squeezebox system is awesome! I am looking forward to the Touch and to the battery for the Radio. -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
DigitalMitch;474797 Wrote: thanks aubuti - beat me to expanding 'power cycling'. Worth noting that 'standby' mode does NOT have the same impac to sync. general - my sync. issues have been whilst streaming FLAC from SBS to multiple players. I haven't in the past tended to listen to many radio stations but have recently started listening more to last.fm and BBC radio 6. Haven't had any sync. occurences when listening to either. Mitch Pretty much the same here except replacing apple lossless for FLAC. I have 'cured' it for the time being as I can run the radio wired, but that's not really what we bought it for. Pretty much like the Boom, and prior SB2/3's I would hope that 7.41 etc will sort this out before the battery is available in the UK. (Vista 64b/ 2 x SB2, 1 x SB3, 1 x Boom, 1 x Radio) -- TimM TimM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1204 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
I am sure that Logitech will fix this. I think they are already working on it. Like you , many many customers count on syncing all their Squeezes together. -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Conflakeguy, read the following error cases carefully. I can't say that sync is flawless, but when it is working (99% of the time), I can't spot any timing difference between my players. The 1% is below .. Ikabob, Matt, I also see occasionally sync. issues, which are normally provoked by some other event and then leave one or more players off by between 0.5 and 2 seconds. The player then stays that way, even if stopped started, etc. but will re-sync perfectly when power-cycled (via mains for SB3,Boom and SBR, the Radio via press and hold standby). Cross-fade is always set to 'none'. For me, the problem was most noticeable on 7.3.3 and I suspect was aligned to the rebuffering problem (https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13092) which was reduced by upgrading router firmware and almost eliminated by using Homeplugs instead of wi-fi. With 7.4 production, I have mothablled an SBR (and iHome clock radio) and replaced with a Radio, which is currently running wireless (in anticipation of battery and mobility). When I then use SqueezePlay Beta, I have problems connecting to my library (some days fine, others awful). Whilst Squeezeplay is trying to connect the existing sync'd streams stutter (as they do when a new player is added). Just tried to replicate using Squeezeplay to provoke but it wouldn't find server and sync was undamaged, will try again tomorrow. I concur with Matt, in post #15, somehow a player (or more than one) gets into a state where it is out of sync and is only reset by power-cycling. Mitch -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio controlled by IR, SBC and iPeng on iPhone 7.4 running on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Ikabob: Try streaming the same station(s) you are having sync issues with on MySB using SBS, see if the sync is maintained tighter. My guess is you are experiencing drift on MySB. Unless they changed how players function when synced on MySB, here is the difference between SBS and MySB sync when playing a radio stream: SBS: server gets a single stream, shares it with all synced players, better sync MySB: each player connected to MySB gets it's own unique stream even when synced, not so great sync (i.e. drift) Put another way: If you are streaming a 128k radio stream to four synced players: SBS = 1x128k stream via your ISP, shares this single stream with four players, ISP usage = 128k MySB = 4x128k = 512k, each player getting it's own unique stream, ISP usage = 512k -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Ikabob;474424 Wrote: I will also try the power-cycling maneuver too(once I findout what exactly that is). Thanks. Power cycling is basically turning it off, waiting for a little while (depends on device, but 30 seconds is more than enough), and turning it back on. As DigitalMitch said -(via mains for SB3,Boom and SBR, the Radio via press and hold standby)-, meaning you should physically unplug an SB3, Boom, or SB Receiver, for the simple reason that they don't have on/off switches. On the SB Radio, make sure you hold the on/off/standby button (lower right) long enough that it completely powers off. Or simply unplug that just like you do the rest of the gear. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Well,I thought that this had been corrected but today the sync is so far off that it is almost like unsynced. There was a day that there was message on the SB3 waiting for sync and that day things seemed to be getting better. But not today. I think this is a serious issue because the WIFE notices it . Is it possible to fix it? I am looking forward to the Touch. -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
I'm watching this thread closely. I have a Boom, plan to buy a Touch for the Living Room, and plan to buy 3 Radio's for the rest of the House. I want all the Units SOLELY for Sync. If Sync is not flawless I need to rethink this. -- cornflakeguy cornflakeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
awy: I have sync issues too. Have opened a but here: https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14626 Would love to hear your input. Also had some logs and input here: https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14570 But that bug kinda changed direction. -- NikolajC NikolajC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18676 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Can we expect to achieve very good synchronization while on MSB.com alone? I came home and noticed that my SB3 had a message indicating that it was working on synchronizing or something similar to that. I had never seen this message before. Also something unusual, the Radio had a message stating that there was a new download to install which I did. I thought that maybe it was a fix to the sync being slightly off, but such was not the case. The sync is still slightly off at this time. I am going to check it out again later. Thanks. -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
On second thought Matt...maybe it is a problem because THE WIFE(!!!) had turned off the radio because it was annoying to HER. That, alone, does make it a major prob. However, she really does love the Squeezeboxes that we have now and she is looking forward to the Touch. We must keep her happy. Right? :-) -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Ikabob;466768 Wrote: When I used it last all was fine. I will ex-periment with different stations and check it out. As of not though it syncs ok. Maybe since the baby boom was new it had to adjust or equilibrate. No burn-in on this gear :) Steve. -- SteveEast 3*SB3, 1*Boom, 3*Radio (on order) SteveEast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4193 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
yesterday I had a wireless boom+radio+wired Touch all synced and playing flac's as mp3 @320 and iPlayer. The Radio and Boom were literally sitting next to each other and the sync was rock solid - less than 20ms of difference I'd say - you couldn't heard that slight ADT effect you get if things are a bit off. I bet that idea of using 2 radios (or Booms!) for wide stereo would work... Very impressive. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Yes, I upgraded to7.4. Thanks for your response. I am really enjoying this Squeeze stuff. Everything about it is very cool. Now I cannot wait till the Touch release. I know I am just using the basics so I am also looking forward to learning about some of the plugins.et cetera. and, I appreciate these forums. Thanks. -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] Sync is very slightly off.
Ikabob;465534 Wrote: Thankswhat is SBS again? Sorry the new name for SqueezeCenter. You said you had a SB Radio so that means you have upgraded to SqueezeBoxServer (SBS) 7.4 on your PC or Server now, correct? Go to the WebUI in SBS 7.4, lower right corner clock on Settings, then Player (Pick a Player) In the sub menu to the right of the player name, drop all the way to the bottom and pick Synchronize, then use the panel controls to make adjustments. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68954 ___ Radio mailing list Radio@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/radio
