Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau

2001-03-02 Terurut Topik Sjamsir Alam





  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Firdaus 
  Kadir 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 8:38 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan 
  Minangkabau
  
  Kalau iyo baa kaba kini? Lai sempat basuo jo Pak Agustiar balakangan 
  ko?
  
  Pak Agustiar lah di Padang 
  baliak, sajak bulan puaso.
  
  mS
  


Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau

2001-02-28 Terurut Topik Maifil Eka Putra




  Waaliakum salam Wr Wb
  
  Pak Mes, lai molah duduak di Palanta. Kok lai 
  baminaik Pak Mes menterjemahkan buku nantun, kok basobok ambo jo Katua Gebu 
  Minang nan baru Pak Fasli Jalal nak ambo sampaikan ka baliau. Karano Gebu 
  Minang lai adoh komitemen untuak manabikan buku tantang Minangkabau bagai. 
  Bahkan nan tadanga dek ambo Gebu Minang juo baminaik manabikan buku-buku karya 
  dosen-dosen asa Minangkabau khusus nan badomisili di Padang. Sayangkan banyak 
  dotor jo profesor, tapi karya dan bahapanilitian hanyo sabagai hiasan di ruang 
  kerja masiang-masiang. Baa agak hati lai satuju kito.
  
  salam
  
  Katik Batuah
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mestika 
  Zed 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:20 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan 
  Minangkabau
  
  
  
  
  
  Terima kasih atas informasi yang diberikan oleh Pak "Maifil Eka Putra" 
  tantang Karajaan Minangkabau karangan Jane Drakard Hardback berjudul A Kingdom 
  of Words. Saya sendiri sudah lama memiliki buku tersebut. Yang berminat bisa 
  pesan copynya. Sebaiknya buku tersebut diterjemahkan, tapi siapa bisa bantu 
  cari sponsor.
  
  Mestika Zed,Pdg.
  
  
  
   
  Ruling despotically by the letter 
  An academic treatise titled `A Kingdom of Words' bends over 
  backward to 
  accomodate a trend 
   
  By Bradley Winterton 
   
   
   
  What the author of this strange book describes and struggles to 
  understand 
  is a kingdom on the island of Sumatra (in modern Indonesia) 
  during the 17th 
  and 18th centuries. It left no written records of a 
  chronological kind, and 
  the evidence has had to be pieced together from fanciful, 
  myth-based texts, 
  plus the accounts of the Dutch colonizers. 
   
  Minangkabau was an important state, situated midway down the 
  west coast of 
  the island. The kings, living in a mountainous interior far 
  away from the 
  coastal settlements, reigned over their people without armies 
  to enforce 
  their will. They were perceived as sacred beings, and ruled 
  largely by 
  sending out elaborate letters. These letters, rhetorically 
  worded and 
  lavishly illustrated, form the main object of the author's 
  study. 
   
  Economic historians, and others trained in the materialist 
  Western 
  tradition, have always seen court rituals and the like as mere 
  symbols, 
  cover for a more ruthlessly physical exercise of power. Leaders 
  dazzled the 
  ignorant populace with processions, but what they were really 
  doing was 
  taking the people's wealth in taxes, collected by force if 
  necessary. But 
  here is a kingdom, Drakard argues, where claims of magical 
  power were the 
  beginning and end of all authority. 
   
  This is not an easy book to read. It is awash with words like 
  "semiotic," 
  "syntagmatic"and "paradigmatic" (all three occurring in a 
  single sentence). 
  But what it describes is curious indeed. The author's attitude 
  to her 
  material, however, is even more intriguing. 
   
  A typical Minangkabau royal letter would begin by establishing 
  the king's 
  lineage, would then list his possessions, and end by issuing a 
  brief 
  instruction, such as that the bearer be given safe passage. 
   
  The lineage invariably claimed by the kings was one of direct 
  descent from 
  Iskandar Zulkarnain, whose three sons were considered to have 
  fathered the 
  dynasties of China, the Ottoman Empire, and Minangkabau 
  respectively. 
   
  Among the magical objects the Minangkabau kings claimed to 
  possess were a 
  crown that had belonged to Adam, a loom that moved of its own 
  accord, once 
  every year, and wove a fabric that had existed since the 
  beginning of time, 
  a sword that bore marks from a fight with a devil, a dagger 
  that resisted 
  being sheathed, and a drum made from the skins of lice. 
   
  The Dutch unsurprisingly looked on such things with a skeptical 
  eye. Though 
  they were undoubtedly eager to lay their hands on the gold for 
  which 
  Minangkabau was famous, they were also heirs to a national 
  tradition of 
  tough-minded practicality that held all myths, and most 
  religions, as 
  fanciful fabrications. 
   
  But Jane Drakard leans over backward not to mock any of her 
  material, and to 
  resist the obvious conclusion that such claims were put about 
  to deceive the 
  gullible and ensure taxes, payable in gold, were handed over to 
  their 
  sovereign. 
   
  Emperors and kings worldwide have sought to impress their 
  subjects using 
  very similar methods. So, there's really nothing unusual about 
  these royal 
  Sumatrans. The populace may have been so extensively fooled by 
  their claims 
  that little force was needed to maintain their hold on power, 
  but that's the 
  only way they differ from the norm. For Jane Drakard to claim 
  otherwise 
  suggests that she has been subjected t

Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau

2001-02-28 Terurut Topik Desmawati Radjab



Pak Mes, insyaallah if you have any problems in translating, I can help you
(hope, I am able to) when I am back to the UNP campus.

Wass,
Desmawati Radjab

At 07:36 28/02/01 +0700, you wrote:
  Waaliakum salam Wr Wb   Pak Mes, lai molah duduak di Palanta. Kok
laibaminaik Pak Mes menterjemahkan buku nantun, kok basobok ambo jo
Katua GebuMinang nan baru Pak Fasli Jalal nak ambo sampaikan ka baliau.
Karano GebuMinang lai adoh komitemen untuak manabikan buku tantang
Minangkabau bagai.Bahkan nan tadanga dek ambo Gebu Minang juo baminaik
manabikan buku-buku karyadosen-dosen asa Minangkabau khusus nan
badomisili di Padang. Sayangkan banyakdotor jo profesor, tapi karya dan
bahapanilitian hanyo sabagai hiasan di ruangkerja masiang-masiang. Baa
agak hati lai satuju kito.   salam   Katik Batuah   -
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 Terima kasih atas informasi yang diberikan oleh Pak "Maifil Eka
Putra"tantang Karajaan Minangkabau karangan Jane Drakard Hardback
berjudul A Kingdomof Words. Saya sendiri sudah lama memiliki buku
tersebut. Yang berminat bisapesan copynya. Sebaiknya buku tersebut
diterjemahkan, tapi siapa bisa bantucari sponsor.Pdg.  


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Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau

2001-02-28 Terurut Topik Mestika Zed


Dear, Buk Desmawati Radjab 
Thank you for your response on my E-mail. 
Moga-moga capek baliak pulang kampung dan boleh ngumpul lagi di kampus UNP agar bisa kami dibantu mencarikan sponsor penterjemahan buku tt Minangkabau nan kadikarajokan tu. Sabagian jo topik nan lain malah sudah diansua, tapi soalnyo lagi-lagi kito di kampung  ndak ado salero soal urusan dengan buku dan publikasi. Ujuang-ujungnya soal 'capital flow' Makonyo sulit maarokkan sponsor. Terakhir terjemahan kami di Obor Jakarta masih ndaktantu nasibnyo. Padahal lah sajak bulan puaso masuak ka sinan. Jadi ambo basaba sambia mangarojokan nan lain. Mestinya berkat teknologi waktuawak bisa nambah labih 24 jam. Bu Des jan lamo-lamo na di rantau. Jangan-jangan kampuang wak ndak ado lai, bubar. 
Tolong lah ambo. Atau bisa dipasan dari jauh sajo ka Pak Fasli tu. 
Terima kasih.
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Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau

2001-02-28 Terurut Topik Firdaus Kadir
From: "Mestika Zed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau 
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 02:09:21 +0700 


Assalamua'laikum wr wb.,

Pak Mestika yth.,

Maaf, kalau ambo salah, apo iko Pak Mestika nan pernah singgah di Washington, DC 2-3 tahun nan lalu?

Kalau iyo baa kaba kini? Lai sempat basuo jo Pak Agustiar balakangan ko?

Salam,

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Dear, Buk Desmawati Radjab 
Thank you for your response on my E-mail. 
Moga-moga capek baliak pulang kampung dan boleh ngumpul lagi di kampus UNP agar bisa kami dibantu mencarikan sponsor penterjemahan buku tt Minangkabau nan kadikarajokan tu. Sabagian jo topik nan lain malah sudah diansua, tapi soalnyo lagi-lagi kito di kampung  ndak ado salero soal urusan dengan buku dan publikasi. Ujuang-ujungnya soal 'capital flow' Makonyo sulit maarokkan sponsor. Terakhir terjemahan kami di Obor Jakarta masih ndaktantu nasibnyo. Padahal lah sajak bulan puaso masuak ka sinan. Jadi ambo basaba sambia mangarojokan nan lain. Mestinya berkat teknologi waktuawak bisa nambah labih 24 jam. Bu Des jan lamo-lamo na di rantau. Jangan-jangan kampuang wak ndak ado lai, bubar. 
Tolong lah ambo. Atau bisa dipasan dari jauh sajo ka Pak Fasli tu. 
Terima kasih.
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Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau

2001-02-28 Terurut Topik Bandaro


Sanak Mestika Zed.

Salamaik datang, Salamaik bagabuang.

   Walaupun alun dibaco saluruhno, ambo mampunyoi buku karangan sanak ;
"Somewhere in the Jungle, Pemerintahan Darurat Republik Indonesia". 
Jadi ambo lah mangatahui saketek biodata sanak.
Mungkin sanak nan lain nan dibalerongko, ado nan alun tau
jo sanak Mestika Zed. 

Dengan talabiah dulu mohon ma'af ka sanak MZ -kok tadorong ambo-,
ambo parkanalkan saketek sanak MZ kapado sanak nan alun tau.
Dari buku  "Somewhere in the Jungle, Pemerintahan Darurat Republik Indonesia". 
  Mestika Zed adolah seorang Doktor dibidang sejarah (Vrije Univ.
  Amsterdam),  Ketua Jurusan Sejarah Unand ( '92 - '95), dosen 
  di Universitas Padang (??).
Apokoh juo anggota DPRD 
Salabiahno kapado sanak MZ, kok lai buliah ditarangkan bak ari
manganai manganai badan diri sanak di balerongko.

Dengan adonyo sanak MZ akan mambuek diskusi manganai Minang / Sumbar
di Rantaunet akan samakin "angek" dan labiah barbobot.

Ambo mangoleksi buku-buku manganai Minang / Sumbar. Kok lai bisa 
tolong dicopy dan kirimkan ke Bogor buku "Karajaan Minangkabau" karangan 
Jane Drakard Hardback berjudul A Kingdom of Words, detailno akan 
mbo sampaikan ke japri.

Talabiah dulu tarimokasi.

   note : Maifil Eka Putra adolah mantan wartawan Singgalang,
  kini baliau di Jkt, umuano alun tigo puluah.

Wass

A Bandaro ( 50thn), Banuampu-Agam, tingga di Bogor.
~


Mestika Zed wrote:
 
 Terima kasih atas informasi yang diberikan oleh Pak "Maifil Eka Putra" tantang
 Karajaan Minangkabau karangan Jane Drakard Hardback berjudul A Kingdom of
 Words. Saya sendiri sudah lama memiliki buku tersebut. Yang berminat bisa
 pesan copynya. Sebaiknya buku tersebut diterjemahkan, tapi siapa bisa bantu
 cari sponsor.
 
 
 
 Mestika Zed, Pdg.



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Re: [RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau

2001-02-27 Terurut Topik Mestika Zed




Terima kasih atas informasi yang diberikan oleh Pak "Maifil Eka Putra" tantang Karajaan Minangkabau karangan Jane Drakard Hardback berjudul A Kingdom of Words. Saya sendiri sudah lama memiliki buku tersebut. Yang berminat bisa pesan copynya. Sebaiknya buku tersebut diterjemahkan, tapi siapa bisa bantu cari sponsor.

Mestika Zed,Pdg.



 
 
Ruling despotically by the letter 
An academic treatise titled `A Kingdom of Words' bends over backward to 
accomodate a trend 
 
By Bradley Winterton 
 
 
 
What the author of this strange book describes and struggles to understand 
is a kingdom on the island of Sumatra (in modern Indonesia) during the 17th 
and 18th centuries. It left no written records of a chronological kind, and 
the evidence has had to be pieced together from fanciful, myth-based texts, 
plus the accounts of the Dutch colonizers. 
 
Minangkabau was an important state, situated midway down the west coast of 
the island. The kings, living in a mountainous interior far away from the 
coastal settlements, reigned over their people without armies to enforce 
their will. They were perceived as sacred beings, and ruled largely by 
sending out elaborate letters. These letters, rhetorically worded and 
lavishly illustrated, form the main object of the author's study. 
 
Economic historians, and others trained in the materialist Western 
tradition, have always seen court rituals and the like as mere symbols, 
cover for a more ruthlessly physical exercise of power. Leaders dazzled the 
ignorant populace with processions, but what they were really doing was 
taking the people's wealth in taxes, collected by force if necessary. But 
here is a kingdom, Drakard argues, where claims of magical power were the 
beginning and end of all authority. 
 
This is not an easy book to read. It is awash with words like "semiotic," 
"syntagmatic"and "paradigmatic" (all three occurring in a single sentence). 
But what it describes is curious indeed. The author's attitude to her 
material, however, is even more intriguing. 
 
A typical Minangkabau royal letter would begin by establishing the king's 
lineage, would then list his possessions, and end by issuing a brief 
instruction, such as that the bearer be given safe passage. 
 
The lineage invariably claimed by the kings was one of direct descent from 
Iskandar Zulkarnain, whose three sons were considered to have fathered the 
dynasties of China, the Ottoman Empire, and Minangkabau respectively. 
 
Among the magical objects the Minangkabau kings claimed to possess were a 
crown that had belonged to Adam, a loom that moved of its own accord, once 
every year, and wove a fabric that had existed since the beginning of time, 
a sword that bore marks from a fight with a devil, a dagger that resisted 
being sheathed, and a drum made from the skins of lice. 
 
The Dutch unsurprisingly looked on such things with a skeptical eye. Though 
they were undoubtedly eager to lay their hands on the gold for which 
Minangkabau was famous, they were also heirs to a national tradition of 
tough-minded practicality that held all myths, and most religions, as 
fanciful fabrications. 
 
But Jane Drakard leans over backward not to mock any of her material, and to 
resist the obvious conclusion that such claims were put about to deceive the 
gullible and ensure taxes, payable in gold, were handed over to their 
sovereign. 
 
Emperors and kings worldwide have sought to impress their subjects using 
very similar methods. So, there's really nothing unusual about these royal 
Sumatrans. The populace may have been so extensively fooled by their claims 
that little force was needed to maintain their hold on power, but that's the 
only way they differ from the norm. For Jane Drakard to claim otherwise 
suggests that she has been subjected to some very odd ideological pressures. 
 
It is not, unfortunately, hard to see what these pressures might have been. 
The particular preconceptions that apply in this case are that the 
perceptions of colonizing powers were always wrong, that all cultural 
assumptions have equal claims to truth, and that it's necessary to listen to 
the voices of formerly oppressed peoples whose plight has hitherto been 
overlooked. 
 
These aims and ambitions are eminently worthy, except when they fly in the 
face of the facts. And the facts here are unmistakable -- that the claims of 
these kings of old were as ridiculous as the Dutch considered them to be. 
 
Moreover, it's doubtful if the modern descendants of the people described in 
this book would be very grateful for such present-day endorsements of the 
trickery of their former rulers. 
 
One other feature of the book is more than a little surprising. Historians 
and modern travelers invariably point to the Minangkabau people's 
matrilineal social structure. Bill Dalton, in his Indonesia Handbook, 
credits them with being perhaps the world's largest matrilineal society. 
Oddly, Jane Drakard makes no mention of this issue. 
 

[RantauNet] Tantang Karajaan Minangkabau

2001-02-26 Terurut Topik Maifil Eka Putra



Iko adoh referensi tentang kerajaan 
Minangkabau.
Silakan dibaco-baco

salam

Katik Batuah

"A Kingdom of Words"By Jane Drakard 
Hardback322 PagesOxford University Press ReviewRuling 
despotically by the letterAn academic treatise titled `A Kingdom of Words' 
bends over backward toaccomodate a trendBy Bradley 
WintertonWhat the author of this strange book describes and 
struggles to understandis a kingdom on the island of Sumatra (in modern 
Indonesia) during the 17thand 18th centuries. It left no written records of 
a chronological kind, andthe evidence has had to be pieced together from 
fanciful, myth-based texts,plus the accounts of the Dutch 
colonizers.Minangkabau was an important state, situated midway down the 
west coast ofthe island. The kings, living in a mountainous interior far 
away from thecoastal settlements, reigned over their people without armies 
to enforcetheir will. They were perceived as sacred beings, and ruled 
largely bysending out elaborate letters. These letters, rhetorically worded 
andlavishly illustrated, form the main object of the author's 
study.Economic historians, and others trained in the materialist 
Westerntradition, have always seen court rituals and the like as mere 
symbols,cover for a more ruthlessly physical exercise of power. Leaders 
dazzled theignorant populace with processions, but what they were really 
doing wastaking the people's wealth in taxes, collected by force if 
necessary. Buthere is a kingdom, Drakard argues, where claims of magical 
power were thebeginning and end of all authority.This is not an easy 
book to read. It is awash with words like "semiotic,""syntagmatic"and 
"paradigmatic" (all three occurring in a single sentence).But what it 
describes is curious indeed. The author's attitude to hermaterial, however, 
is even more intriguing.A typical Minangkabau royal letter would begin 
by establishing the king'slineage, would then list his possessions, and end 
by issuing a briefinstruction, such as that the bearer be given safe 
passage.The lineage invariably claimed by the kings was one of direct 
descent fromIskandar Zulkarnain, whose three sons were considered to have 
fathered thedynasties of China, the Ottoman Empire, and Minangkabau 
respectively.Among the magical objects the Minangkabau kings claimed to 
possess were acrown that had belonged to Adam, a loom that moved of its own 
accord, onceevery year, and wove a fabric that had existed since the 
beginning of time,a sword that bore marks from a fight with a devil, a 
dagger that resistedbeing sheathed, and a drum made from the skins of 
lice.The Dutch unsurprisingly looked on such things with a skeptical 
eye. Thoughthey were undoubtedly eager to lay their hands on the gold for 
whichMinangkabau was famous, they were also heirs to a national tradition 
oftough-minded practicality that held all myths, and most religions, 
asfanciful fabrications.But Jane Drakard leans over backward not to 
mock any of her material, and toresist the obvious conclusion that such 
claims were put about to deceive thegullible and ensure taxes, payable in 
gold, were handed over to theirsovereign.Emperors and kings 
worldwide have sought to impress their subjects usingvery similar methods. 
So, there's really nothing unusual about these royalSumatrans. The populace 
may have been so extensively fooled by their claimsthat little force was 
needed to maintain their hold on power, but that's theonly way they differ 
from the norm. For Jane Drakard to claim otherwisesuggests that she has been 
subjected to some very odd ideological pressures.It is not, 
unfortunately, hard to see what these pressures might have been.The 
particular preconceptions that apply in this case are that theperceptions of 
colonizing powers were always wrong, that all culturalassumptions have equal 
claims to truth, and that it's necessary to listen tothe voices of formerly 
oppressed peoples whose plight has hitherto beenoverlooked.These 
aims and ambitions are eminently worthy, except when they fly in theface of 
the facts. And the facts here are unmistakable -- that the claims ofthese 
kings of old were as ridiculous as the Dutch considered them to 
be.Moreover, it's doubtful if the modern descendants of the people 
described inthis book would be very grateful for such present-day 
endorsements of thetrickery of their former rulers.One other feature 
of the book is more than a little surprising. Historiansand modern travelers 
invariably point to the Minangkabau people'smatrilineal social structure. 
Bill Dalton, in his Indonesia Handbook,credits them with being perhaps the 
world's largest matrilineal society.Oddly, Jane Drakard makes no mention of 
this issue.Nevertheless, what remains of interest in this book is the 
light it throwson the way words can be used, not only to educate and 
enlighten, but tobaffle and confuse. In societies where most people can't 
read, books andelaborately penned letters can be objects of