[RBW] Re: Speaking of Schwinns ...
I think the Schwinn cruisers were very practical around town bikes. Schwinn made some very nice traditional road style bikes as well. Paramount and Zolare duly accepted, they were not necessarily attractive or light as they could have been. But they were durable, fun to ride bikes. I had a Continental in high school. It did everything it had to do with no complaints about my negligent school boy maintenance. I did not get the Stingray at the time, and still don't get it. One thing I often wonder is what may have happened had Schwinn been able to hold out in Chicago. Could it have adapted its electroplating machinery to lighter steel? If so, could it have fended off the low cost Taiwanese manufacturers for the practical market? I imagine all the machinery has now been melted down for scrap. In order to answer my questions I would have to build an entirely new manufacturing line. On Feb 2, 11:08 pm, Eric campyonly...@me.com wrote: http://belligerante.com/default.aspx --Eric Norris Sent from my iPhone 3G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Speaking of Schwinns ...
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:30 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I think the Schwinn cruisers were very practical around town bikes. Schwinn made some very nice traditional road style bikes as well. Paramount and Zolare duly accepted, they were not necessarily attractive or light as they could have been. But they were durable, fun to ride bikes. I had a Continental in high school. It did everything it had to do with no complaints about my negligent school boy maintenance. I did not get the Stingray at the time, and still don't get it. One thing I often wonder is what may have happened had Schwinn been able to hold out in Chicago. Could it have adapted its electroplating machinery to lighter steel? If so, could it have fended off the low cost Taiwanese manufacturers for the practical market? I imagine all the machinery has now been melted down for scrap. In order to answer my questions I would have to build an entirely new manufacturing line. Rivendell Reader #5 had an article called Inside the Varsity that had some good details on the EF process, iirc. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Steel vs Carbon
Great pictures. Gives a good feel for what a big ride is like. Nice country. Thanks. --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Steel vs Carbon To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:22 AM It's really not faked, I rode with the guy who took the picture on Saturday. We didn't know each other but we both posted pictures of the Bicycle Tour of Colorado to an Austin based email list. He recognized my Riv from the Saturday ride and emailed me. I think if I recall correctly there were 6 Rivendells on that tour in 2006 when I did it. 2 customs, 2 Roms, a Ram, and i don't remember what the red bike was. I took pictures of them all at one point or another. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v407/Brons2/BTC2006/ On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Obviously a faked photo. I know this because Stingray guy isn't using clipless pedals. I did something similar a few years ago. I dropped some roadie on his sleek CF machine whilst riding my rusty Raleigh Sports 3-speed. Cranking along in high gear, I passed him easily...until 50 feet in front of him, the clutch slipped (a known flaw of old SA hubs) and I was assaulted painfully by the nose of my saddle and the top-tube, nearly resulting in a crash. He sailed past, and at that moment I swore off racing on my English Racer. On Feb 2, 10:20 pm, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one for you http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o478/Toddb12345/?action=viewcurre... -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Speaking of Schwinns ...
Yeah, it seems as though they could have made it happen if only... Unfortunately missed out on the whole mountainbike thing (Homegrowns were supposed to be nice, but late to the game). On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:30 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I think the Schwinn cruisers were very practical around town bikes. Schwinn made some very nice traditional road style bikes as well. Paramount and Zolare duly accepted, they were not necessarily attractive or light as they could have been. But they were durable, fun to ride bikes. I had a Continental in high school. It did everything it had to do with no complaints about my negligent school boy maintenance. I did not get the Stingray at the time, and still don't get it. One thing I often wonder is what may have happened had Schwinn been able to hold out in Chicago. Could it have adapted its electroplating machinery to lighter steel? If so, could it have fended off the low cost Taiwanese manufacturers for the practical market? I imagine all the machinery has now been melted down for scrap. In order to answer my questions I would have to build an entirely new manufacturing line. On Feb 2, 11:08 pm, Eric campyonly...@me.com wrote: http://belligerante.com/default.aspx --Eric Norris Sent from my iPhone 3G -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tolkien Fans
On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:13 PM, David Estes wrote: I guess I came into this the opposite way. I was a BOB, Bridgestone Owner's Bunch member that ended up on the Rivendell mailing list when GP started the company. Although I read the Hobbit and LOTR in middle school, I didn't really make the connection right away. It had been fourteen years or so since I read the books, and Rivendell the place didn't really stand out for me. Plus I'm just slow that way. I came in through the BOB route (BOB #2704 or something like that); I discovered BOB through Grant's funny ads in VeloNews or where ever it was- especially the ad about the bike built by a mysterious vintage fame builder from mysteriously hoarded vintage parts and tubes and lugs. It was brilliant stuff with multiple levels and it's too bad Grant doesn't have that kind of ad budget now. He's good at it. I bought my wife a Construction Pumpkin 1993 XO-1 as an engagement/ wedding present through BOB when Bridgestone finished, among a few other things. She loved that bike, which was horribly destroyed about 10 years ago when it was run over while locked to a sign in front of her workplace. If it's any consolation, the bike and the sign saved some lives that day- an elderly lady somehow confused the gas pedal for the brake while parking, shot over the curb/the sign/ the bike and nearly hurtled through the front windows of the beauty parlor. Every frame tube was bent, I've never seen a bike so destroyed. (With the collusion of several friends, I replaced it with a Heron Road as a surprise Christmas present- a better made and nicer bike, objectively, even if it lacks the cachet of the XO-1). The XO-1 does live on in that some of the parts are in use on other bikes, and my wife still wimpers a bit when she sees an XO-1 on the Internet or in person. Of course, as Grant has mentioned the Rivendell connection to Tolkien was indirect. IIRC the business was named after the defunct Rivendell Mountain Works backpacking gear company rather than directly after the Last Homely House. I'll probably start reading them to my oldest rather soon. Right now going through the L. Frank Baum Oz books which have a lot of the same elements in them. Bonus question: Anybody re-read the LOTR books after seeing the movies, and did that make the books better/worse for you when you read them again? I first read LOTR the summer after graduating from high school (1977) and re-read it about four times in the following six months. I even started learning to read and write Sindarin (this has been carried on to an amazing degree by Tolkien scholars on the Internet and one can now find entire lexicons)- what a nerd I was (and still am). I've read it about once a year since then, probably about 30-35 times now. I remember seeing the first movie with my wife; after the Ralph Bakshi debacle, I was wired to be pissed at Peter Jackson. I made my wife kind of nuts with wait, that's not right! what happened to Crickhollow? and why is Arwen there? What happened to Glorfindel? etc. She finally told me to STFU already. (Any other LOTR fans do this?) But on the whole I came out impressed, and later on when watching the DVD commentary the writers explained why they made changes in plot and characters, and it made so much sense that I felt much better about it. The second movie was much closer to the book and the Ents rocked, so that made it way better, and I was able to let go of the books a bit more. The third movie bugged me in spots again, but still it was easier than the first movie was. Now I can enjoy the movies as sort of separate entities from the books; the extended editions help a lot with that, although the weakest stuff is generally the stuff they added. And the various video extras are astonishing. Reading the books after watching the movies a few times felt strange, because the movies had shifted the contour of the story in my mind a bit. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Steel vs Carbon
This is awesome. I often fantasize about restoring my Dads old 1944 Henderson and riding it in one of our local events. Actually I think I will do just that now that I think about it. The stingray with 20 wheels was probably geared about like a folding bike and shouldn't have been too bad on the hills with maybe a estimated 38-65 inch range. The guy appeared to be quite lean and a natural climber with a power to weight ratio that I only dream of. It is after all the engine and not the bike. On Feb 2, 8:20 pm, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one for you http://s343.photobucket.com/albums/o478/Toddb12345/?action=viewcurre... -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS Kucharik Wool Blend Jersey
Charcoal color; Size XL; 70% Merino Wool 30% polyester; 3 back pockets; front zipper; long sleeve; elastic waist band; machine wash. 1 year old excellent condition used 10 or so times, always laundered promptly after use. A little to snug and stretchy for my taste. $40 shipped CONUS (PayPal OK), non US buyers contact me for arrangements is interested. -- Rod C --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FW: [BOB] For sale: help! it's still in my garage!
Hi Everyone, I've updated my for sale page. One of the updates is to the A Homer Hilsen (63cm) that I now am offering built up. Please, see here for descriptions and other stuff that I'd like to get sold: http://thesaltycyclist.blogspot.com/search/label/for%20sale As always, I am willing to listen if you think prices are out of line. Thanks for looking, Joe _ Hotmail® goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 ___ Internet-bob mailing list internet-...@bikelist.org search and browse the archives: http://search.bikelist.org unsubscribe: http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-bob _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_012009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tolkien Fans
Although I was a LOTR reader, I learned of Grant by buying his Roads to Ride books when I first moved to the Bay Area. Back when Pig Farm Hill still had pigs. Good books, and I still refer to them occasionally. Through that I learned of BOB and then, eventually, Riv. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tolkien Fans
Those are the ones with the famous picture of the author! On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM, fiddlr40 mather...@gmail.com wrote: Although I was a LOTR reader, I learned of Grant by buying his Roads to Ride books when I first moved to the Bay Area. Back when Pig Farm Hill still had pigs. Good books, and I still refer to them occasionally. Through that I learned of BOB and then, eventually, Riv. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: first time building up an atlantis
Kevin: Nice to see the new photos. Couple of questions about your various configurations: 1. Which basket is that? Looks a good fit. I use the little front rack. 2. One close-up shows a 105 FD. Sounds like road? Can you see the part number on the back of the inner cage plate? 3. Which saddlebag front bag are in the Hawaii photos? Nice set. 4. What brakes are you using? With the small front rack, have you got the straddle wire just clearing the rack strut that goes thru the crown? Between Alaska Hawaii, that bike has seen the extremes. Not sure I would have survived your S24O but you looked like you were having fun. The Atlantis can't be topped for versatility. Especially enjoy the tire comparisons. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Turinsky Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:00 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: first time building up an atlantis I got in on this a little late, but my Atlantis is set up like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28720...@n02/sets/72157609908249398/ I love the front basket! To get more versatility out of the Atlantis, I have three different sets of wheels: Lightweight, go-fast (Velocity Aeroheads, XTR) Stout (Velocity Dyad, Phil) SnowCats (SnowCats, XT) Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: WTB: 9 speed Campagnolo downtube shifters
The 10 speed ones can be modified to run 9 speed, that's what I do. They're wonderful. On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy folks Long shot, I'm sure, but I would like to find a nice set of Campy 9S downtube shifters. Anybody have some to spare? Thanks, Doug -- having a blood clot is a sticky situation --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tolkien Fans
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:56 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 2/3/09 5:49 PM, David Estes at cyclotour...@gmail.com tees it up with: Those are the ones with the famous picture of the author! The famous author photo only appears on Roads To Ride, not on Roads to Ride - South. - J -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- Ahhh, good to know that was a short lived stage... :-) -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Tolkien Fans
As it appears that Tolkeinalia is being tolerated for now... My first exposure to LOTR was in the summer of 1970 at age 12. I've lost count of how many times I've read it. Reading The Hobbit and all of LOTR aloud to my children is a cherished memory, and I treasure the leather-bound edition of LOTR that my wife gave me one year for Christmas. As to the movies, much was well done, but the truncation of the hobbits' return home was disappointing. I understand it in cinematic terms, but much of the lasting meaning of the books (for me) comes in the completion of Sam's story arc. It was many years after that first reading before I realized that it was Sam's story that inspired me, not Frodo's. Frodo was a mature man at the outset of their journey but returned shattered from his burden. Sam left home very young (another problem in the movie - Sam was much younger than Frodo, their relationship should be more father-son than the movie presents) on a journey he barely understood, but he returned a mature man, strong but not boastful or brash. We see this in his actions after the Scouring. He used the gift of Galadriel to heal the wounds of the Shire, not for his own gain. He planted the Mallorn to replace the party tree where all could enjoy it, married the prettiest girl in town, raised a big family, and became the Mayor of the Shire. And, deep in the footnotes, we learn that at the end of his like, Sam too was allowed to pass over the Sundering Seas, as befit a Ring bearer. IMO, Sam is the real hero, the true protagonist of LOTR, and the movie lost that. Hobbits would have ridden single speeds - quiet and simple, but durable and speedy if need be. Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Any inside information on the new Sackville Bags?
Re: the Tolkein thread, shouldn't these be called the Sackville- Bagginses? On Feb 2, 9:58 pm, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote: And you made fun... Bag News February 2, 2009 Just a quick note-- We're introducing a new line of bags: Sackville (after the famous town in Canada). They should be called Blackville, because they're black. We'll have pixup on the site in a week or less, and if you've room for another bag in your life, they're worth a look or even a long, creepy stare. They're different from anything we've done before, and I think they'll be tough to equal. They're made by a small company comprised of former Coach and DooneyBourke workers who lost their jobs when those companies went to China. The first two bags will be the SaddleSack-Large and the SadleSack- Medium. The large is quite monstrous, but carries weight great. The Medium is more normal, about like a Carradice Nelson Longflap. There have never been better-made bags than these; and the design is good, too. Watch the site in the next week or so, and we'll have them up. Delivery, end of Feb/early March. The big one is $200; the medium, about $175. On Jan 27, 5:33 pm, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: It's dark in there, especially with the flap closed! Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:08:38 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Any inside information on the new Sackville Bags? From: clankbonesh...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com I recall reading in November that the Sackville Bags should be arriving anytime. Does anyone have any insider news on these bags? I know the norm is that things get delayed and patients is the best approach to fine things, but I was just wondering if anyone knew anything. _ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect.http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitwor... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: first time building up an atlantis
Kevin, Nice pictures... My Atlantis suffered the same (almost identical) paint damage during my 1,300 miles Quebec trip last summer. Did you fix it? How? Thanks, David --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com wrote: From: Kevin Turinsky kjturin...@mac.com Subject: [RBW] Re: first time building up an atlantis To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 7:00 PM I got in on this a little late, but my Atlantis is set up like: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28720...@n02/sets/72157609908249398/ I love the front basket! To get more versatility out of the Atlantis, I have three different sets of wheels: Lightweight, go-fast (Velocity Aeroheads, XTR) Stout (Velocity Dyad, Phil) SnowCats (SnowCats, XT) Kevin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
