[RBW] Re: wool-friendly detergents for HE washers

[Bill Rhea]

Thanks very much, everybody, for your suggestions.  It's good to know
there are plenty of options.

-br


On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Bill Rhea 
wrote:
> I recently got a new High Efficiency washer to replace our 15+ year-
> old Kenmore when it died.
> Because of their low water use and the way they agitate, you'resupposed to
> use HE-type soap to keep things from foaming up too much
> I have always used Ivory Snow detergent for my wools and have had OK
> luck, but am uncertain what to use in the new HE machine for my
> woolies.  Any suggestions?
> -br


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[RBW] Saluki FS - not mine

[David Estes]

http://sfbay.en.craigslist.org/pen/bik/1296164564.html

Beautiful... someone buy it now!

Wish it was a 62... but maybe glad it's not!

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam crankset

[Michael Rivers]

Thanks everyone for your answers. I thought I thought I would update
the group as to my final choices.

I needed a 41t ring, so that excluded the pure track cranks with
144bcd, where the smallest ring I found was 46t. The suggestions about
double cranks pointed me towards a JIS double, and the Sugino RD2
seemed to fit the bill.  I found a 41t, 130 bcd ring, and attached
this to the existing 110 BB.  The chainline was off with the ring on
the outer position, but seems to be great with the ring attached to
the inner position.  I will ride this for a while, and see how it
works.

Thanks to everyone again.

Michael


> > I'm interested in changing the stock cranks of my Quickbeam to a
> > single ring.  I don't use the smaller ring for my style of riding,
> > and  a triple crank is too wide.  I wonder if others have made this
> > switch, and what BB length, type and cranks have worked.  I will
> > probably go to a 42t ring as well, and I have a 16/19 freewheel in the
> > back if that matters. Thanks in advance.  Michael
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[RBW] Re: Head Tube Measurement for the Sam?

[swenindy]

Thanks!  I know, I know.  I'm finally about to buy a new riv and I'm
just worried it won't work out!

Thanks for measuring.  If I still lived in Mpls I'd buy it from you
guys.

Brynnar


On Jul 30, 5:52 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> Brynnar, stop worrying and get the 56. With m'bars, you'll want to err
> on the side of a shorter TT anyway. But, since you asked, 19 cm.
>
> On Jul 30, 3:53 pm, swenindy  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm close to pulling the trigger on a Sam but I'm worried that I'm
> > right in the middle of the 56/60 size.    If someone could measure the
> > head tube of the 56cm frame I think it might help me decide (or show
> > me where this info is on the riv site?).  I know it's not exact but I
> > think it may help to compare the head tube length of my 60 quickbeam
> > and the 56 Sam. I imagine the forks are very similar so the head tube
> > length added to the quickbeam fork would give a pretty accurate idea
> > of how high the front to the bike will be?  I imagine it could also
> > give me an idea of how much the "expanded" frame rises in the front.
>
> > I know I can subtract 3cm to find out how much seat post will be
> > showing (which to me seems like a lot), but I'm having trouble
> > visualizing how high the top of the head tube will be.
>
> > Any help here?  I ride a 60 quickbeam that fits about perfect, if a
> > touch small (though I could use the bars up a bit, now they are an
> > inch below my saddle with noodle drops.)  I have about 6-7cm of stem
> > showing.  I'd like to set the Sam up with mustache bars, but I'm
> > really confused by the sizing.
>
> > Thanks
> > Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: Head Tube Measurement for the Sam?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Brynnar, stop worrying and get the 56. With m'bars, you'll want to err
on the side of a shorter TT anyway. But, since you asked, 19 cm.

On Jul 30, 3:53 pm, swenindy  wrote:
> I'm close to pulling the trigger on a Sam but I'm worried that I'm
> right in the middle of the 56/60 size.    If someone could measure the
> head tube of the 56cm frame I think it might help me decide (or show
> me where this info is on the riv site?).  I know it's not exact but I
> think it may help to compare the head tube length of my 60 quickbeam
> and the 56 Sam. I imagine the forks are very similar so the head tube
> length added to the quickbeam fork would give a pretty accurate idea
> of how high the front to the bike will be?  I imagine it could also
> give me an idea of how much the "expanded" frame rises in the front.
>
> I know I can subtract 3cm to find out how much seat post will be
> showing (which to me seems like a lot), but I'm having trouble
> visualizing how high the top of the head tube will be.
>
> Any help here?  I ride a 60 quickbeam that fits about perfect, if a
> touch small (though I could use the bars up a bit, now they are an
> inch below my saddle with noodle drops.)  I have about 6-7cm of stem
> showing.  I'd like to set the Sam up with mustache bars, but I'm
> really confused by the sizing.
>
> Thanks
> Brynnar
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[RBW] Head Tube Measurement for the Sam?

[swenindy]

I'm close to pulling the trigger on a Sam but I'm worried that I'm
right in the middle of the 56/60 size.If someone could measure the
head tube of the 56cm frame I think it might help me decide (or show
me where this info is on the riv site?).  I know it's not exact but I
think it may help to compare the head tube length of my 60 quickbeam
and the 56 Sam. I imagine the forks are very similar so the head tube
length added to the quickbeam fork would give a pretty accurate idea
of how high the front to the bike will be?  I imagine it could also
give me an idea of how much the "expanded" frame rises in the front.

I know I can subtract 3cm to find out how much seat post will be
showing (which to me seems like a lot), but I'm having trouble
visualizing how high the top of the head tube will be.

Any help here?  I ride a 60 quickbeam that fits about perfect, if a
touch small (though I could use the bars up a bit, now they are an
inch below my saddle with noodle drops.)  I have about 6-7cm of stem
showing.  I'd like to set the Sam up with mustache bars, but I'm
really confused by the sizing.

Thanks
Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Head Tube -Touch Up Color

[CycloFiend]

on 7/29/09 1:25 PM, rwanda at lumiere1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyone have a suggestion for touch up for the "cream" color on the
> head-tube? I have a pretty good color match for the"blue" of the rest
> of the bike but i just got a prick in the head-tube paint

I haven't really had much feedback in the cream color, though I'd  look
first to "ivory" type whites.

If your blue is different than those listed here:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html

please email me directly and I'll add it.

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[RBW] Photos of mixte.

[PATRICK MOORE]

http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale03#
1. Fenders are probably
throwaways; the front rubs slightly on the tire, and I cut the rear too much
and riveted over my cuts.

2. The right chainstay has been dented for crank clearance.



On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:58 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I really don't need a second grocery bike, and the 80s Nishiki Custom Sport
> is the one to go. Quite a nice frame, per the sticker: butted chromo. Paint
> decent, not excellent. All bearings overhauled. $150 plus shipping in CONUS.
> Photos to follow.
> Includes Burley Piccolo rack -- almost as stiff as the Tubus Fly.
>
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[IPATOM]

Mike,

I have Grip Kings on my Hillborne and I've been wearing Lands End
beach trekkers with them and they work well.  They provide more
support than most sandals but are not as heavy as hiking shoes.  Also
you can wear with or without sox and there's plenty of vents to keep
your dogs cool.

Tom

On Jul 29, 8:19 pm, Mike  wrote:
> So I'm thinking I'll use my Grip King pedals for my upcoming tour. I'm
> curious what people like for "pedaling free". I went bike camping last
> night, 120 miles roundtrip so I got a good idea about if this will
> work. For the most part the shoes I'm using now, old style Vans, are
> fine although I did develop a bit of a hot spot. I'm thinking a new
> pair of shoes will rectify the situation and I may just go with Vans
> again but I'm curious what others are using.
>
> Also, I did the ride in MUSA shorts and an REI SS button front shirt
> and this also worked well. I just don't see the need or sense of
> riding in bibs and clipless pedals for this tour.
>
> Thanks,
> mike

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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[James Dinneen]

I have used Keen H2O sandals with the RBW sneaker pedals. Works great at least 
for around town. soles are stiff enough but the sandals are good for walking.   
 
Jim D.   Massachusetts

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Mike  wrote:


From: Mike 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:20 AM



Thanks for all the recommendations. I wish I could wear Tevas but they
don't seem to work for me on the bike. I may give them a brief try
this weekend. It would be great if they work. And thanks for the Samba
recommendation. I actually live right down the street from Addidas in
Portland. Maybe I'll check out the store there and see what they have.
I think I get some kind of neighborhood discount. If I remember
correctly they run narrow. Also, good to hear the Patagonias work
well. Lots of choices

One thing I've noticed is that my calves feel sore today. I'm
wondering if I'll have to change my saddle height. Any suggestions?

--mike



On Jul 30, 6:12 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> I've done a lot of riding in Teva sandals (I prefer to wear them with
> smartwool socks) and in some Keen slip ons (same socks). Neither has a
> stiff sole. I think it's wrong to assume that a stiff sole is
> desirable in this case. A soft, flexy sole is more comfortable, allows
> you to feel the pedal under your foot, and may provide better
> traction. I've only developed "hot spots" while wearing stiff-soled
> shoes, never with flexy-soled shoes. BTW, I ride only MKS Sylvan
> touring pedals. The Grip Kings never suited me.
> Jim
>
> On Jul 29, 10:19 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
> > So I'm thinking I'll use my Grip King pedals for my upcoming tour. I'm
> > curious what people like for "pedaling free". I went bike camping last
> > night, 120 miles roundtrip so I got a good idea about if this will
> > work. For the most part the shoes I'm using now, old style Vans, are
> > fine although I did develop a bit of a hot spot. I'm thinking a new
> > pair of shoes will rectify the situation and I may just go with Vans
> > again but I'm curious what others are using.
>
> > Also, I did the ride in MUSA shorts and an REI SS button front shirt
> > and this also worked well. I just don't see the need or sense of
> > riding in bibs and clipless pedals for this tour.
>
> > Thanks,
> > mike




  
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[Rick]

For sandals, I like these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Mion-by-Keen-Mens-Hiking-Sandals-size-12-M-Euro-46_W0QQitemZ230362054196QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Men_s_Shoes?hash=item35a2a5fe34&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

They have significantly more support than other products such as Keen
(the insole molds to your foot but great arch support), and they clean
up easily (I throw them in the dishwasher . . .).  The soles grip like
hell, but aren't too rigid or too sandal-floppy.  I discovered that
the toe protection is an important thing the hard way with another
sandal product.

Unfortunately Timberland bought Mion and discontinuted them, so it's
an ebay shopping event now.


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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[Arthur Lewy]

I have been very happy with my Keen sandals, wool sox and Grip Kings.   
We have had an extended dry spell in Seattle, so I don't yet have  
experience in the rain.

Art Lewy

On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:19 PM, Mike  wrote:

>
> So I'm thinking I'll use my Grip King pedals for my upcoming tour. I'm
> curious what people like for "pedaling free". I went bike camping last
> night, 120 miles roundtrip so I got a good idea about if this will
> work. For the most part the shoes I'm using now, old style Vans, are
> fine although I did develop a bit of a hot spot. I'm thinking a new
> pair of shoes will rectify the situation and I may just go with Vans
> again but I'm curious what others are using.
>
> Also, I did the ride in MUSA shorts and an REI SS button front shirt
> and this also worked well. I just don't see the need or sense of
> riding in bibs and clipless pedals for this tour.
>
> Thanks,
> mike
> >

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[RBW] Bleriot Head Tube -Touch Up Color

[rwanda]

Hi,
Anyone have a suggestion for touch up for the "cream" color on the
head-tube? I have a pretty good color match for the"blue" of the rest
of the bike but i just got a prick in the head-tube paint

thanks

robert

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell racks

[swenindy]

I've been searching all over for a full sized front rack for a vintage
MTB I use for errands so I could mount a full sized basket to the
front.  Blackburn still sells one but only in England (?), luckily I
just found one through the bicycle forums for $30 shipped.  The Nitto
rack price is outlandish but I think the rack is cool and for most
uses I bet would work great.  Someday when I buy my bombadil I'll also
want a $200 rack...

On Jul 29, 7:18 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> I talked with Mark today at RBW.  He confirmed the attachment options
> and corrected the rack weight.  It's actually 1.75 lbs not the 3 lbs
> listed on the web site.
>
> Michael
>
> On Jul 28, 8:44 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
>
>
>
> > My mistake.  I guess i was put off by the photo of the oddly installed
> > rack and didn't read the description all the way through.  However I
> > now see the weight listed as  "about 2 lbs. 15.5 oz."  I'm assuming
> > that's a typo.
>
> > It's actually not a bad looking rack, just oddly presented.
> > Michael
>
> > On Jul 28, 2:53 pm, Shaun Meehan  wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM, MichaelH  wrote:
>
> > > > How will these racks mount to bikes w/out canti breaks?
>
> > > > Michael
>
> > > The description says it'll mount via regular connecting rods to either 
> > > frame
> > > braze-ons or p-clamps and that you need special bolts to mount it to canti
> > > bosses. You can see in the photos that the connecting rod mounts are 
> > > slotted
> > > and there are multiple holes to bolt it to the dropout eyelets so you can
> > > raise and lower it accordingly.

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[RBW] Re: Another S24O done

[swenindy]

That looks like a blast.  Man, I miss Minnesota.  I'm currently
looking for route ideas for overnight trips riding out of the north
side of Indianapolis.  Finally found a decent route to the farm land,
but it's still pretty far to a campground.  Oh, and I'm still
attempting to do this on a quickbeam (Indiana is good for some
things).  Hopefully by next spring I'll have a Sam.

On Jul 27, 4:07 pm, EricP  wrote:
> Just got back a little while ago from my second S24O this year.  Even
> though the destination was the same, the trip was entirely different.
> First off, took the Atlantis instead of the Hillborne.  So they each
> have one trip in this year.   Second, instead of being down by the
> river, camped in the upper half of the park.  Besides being less
> populated, it was closer to a railroad bridge I've wanted to
> photograph.  Still packed too much stuff.  But did have fun.  Also
> have determined that, for me, during summer, an older Filson
> feathercloth shirt works better than seersucker at keeping pests off
> my arms yet can be almost comfortable.
>
> The bad parts.  My pace was decidedly slower than on the Hillborne.
> Not sure why, although the extra heat this time probably was a
> factor.  Then it rained this morning.  Thankfully stopped by the time
> I rolled out.  But still, had to pack up a wet tent.  And lastly, my
> camping neighbors were no where near as nice as the last batch.
> That's the luck of the draw.
>
> But the overall good news was - my new sleeping pad is a much better
> choice.  The Therm-a-rest "egg carton" may work for some folks.  Not
> for me.  Oh, and my new (old) digital camera worked just fine in
> documenting the trip.
>
> Photos here:http://tinyurl.com/ljsjom
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[PATRICK MOORE]

FWIW, I like Sperry, Bass, and Timberland slipons, but I use them with clips
and straps on MKS platforms and on track and quill pedals. (For the latter,
I sometimes insert a very stiff innersole to reduce pressure from the cage
on thin vibram soles.) I don't tour, though, but MKS platforms and slip ons
with vibram soles are very comfortable.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:47 AM, cm  wrote:

>
> I have toured both clipless and free and, for me, free is much better.
> If Tevas dont work for you and you want to use sandals, try Chaco.
> They are
> much more supportive and much stiffer than the Tevas. I love my Chacos
> and cant say enough good
> things about them. Most Chaco owners are fanatical. I typically use
> some type
> of low top Adidas with no issue-- I prefer the Samba but am will to
> accept Samba-ish or
> Samba-like if there is a significant savings. You could also try a
> stiff full foot insert (superfeet?) in
> the shoes you already use. That may solve the problem.  It really
> depends on what is causing the hot spot.
> And Superfeet will let you try them out and if they dont work, you can
> bring them back in the first
> 60 or 90 days and get your $$ back. That is pretty win/win. It really
> depends on what is causing the hot spot.
>
> I am headed to Vermont on Saturday for a week long tour and already
> have my Adidas and Chacos packed.
>
> Cheers!
> cm
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[cm]

I have toured both clipless and free and, for me, free is much better.
If Tevas dont work for you and you want to use sandals, try Chaco.
They are
much more supportive and much stiffer than the Tevas. I love my Chacos
and cant say enough good
things about them. Most Chaco owners are fanatical. I typically use
some type
of low top Adidas with no issue-- I prefer the Samba but am will to
accept Samba-ish or
Samba-like if there is a significant savings. You could also try a
stiff full foot insert (superfeet?) in
the shoes you already use. That may solve the problem.  It really
depends on what is causing the hot spot.
And Superfeet will let you try them out and if they dont work, you can
bring them back in the first
60 or 90 days and get your $$ back. That is pretty win/win. It really
depends on what is causing the hot spot.

I am headed to Vermont on Saturday for a week long tour and already
have my Adidas and Chacos packed.

Cheers!
cm

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[RBW] Re: FS: Mixty Fixty -- 20" c-c, 21" c-t

[PATRICK MOORE]

I neglected to mention frame size: 20"/51 cm c-c, 53 c-t. Effective tt is
about 54cm c-c, and it has a very high head tube. Will post photos this
evening.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Bruce  wrote:

> What is the frame size Patrick?
>
> --
> *From:* PATRICK MOORE 
> *To:* Internet-bob ; rbw-owners-bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:58:47 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] FS: Mixty Fixty
>
> I really don't need a second grocery bike, and the 80s Nishiki Custom Sport
> is the one to go. Quite a nice frame, per the sticker: butted chromo. Paint
> decent, not excellent. All bearings overhauled. $150 plus shipping in CONUS.
> Photos to follow.
> Includes Burley Piccolo rack -- almost as stiff as the Tubus Fly.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM
> Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> >
>
>


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[RBW] Re: Grant Peterson quoted in Dwell magazine

[JoelMatthews]

Thanks for posting this.  I picked up a Dwell over the weekend and was
going to comment, but got carried away with other things.

At first I missed Grant's ever subtle humor as he suggested the
industry was looking to create a completely recylcable bike.  Then as
I read on to the comments about making our cities and towns more bike
friendly, I definetly got it.  I hope the many non-bike people who
read Dwell are inspired.

On Jul 30, 6:24 am, Will  wrote:
> Sept 2009 issue, p. 106,http://tinyurl.com/n7qf95(see the
> "transportation" column).
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[RBW] Re: Grant Peterson quoted in Dwell magazine

[Will]

Apologies -- this link to Flickr will work.

http://tinyurl.com/n8tqdz
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[RBW] FS: Mixty Fixty

[PATRICK MOORE]

I really don't need a second grocery bike, and the 80s Nishiki Custom Sport
is the one to go. Quite a nice frame, per the sticker: butted chromo. Paint
decent, not excellent. All bearings overhauled. $150 plus shipping in CONUS.
Photos to follow.
Includes Burley Piccolo rack -- almost as stiff as the Tubus Fly.

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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[J. Burkhalter]

Hey Mike,

I feel the beauty of the GK's is they allow you to wear whatever shoes
your feet like.  I pretty much live in Chaco sandals and Simple
sneakers and both work just fine with the pedals.  My touring partner
wears the female version of the Patagonia shoes you're looking at, and
she loves 'em.

In a recent Riv Reader, they showed a Grip King hack that involved
installing some metal studs in the holes of the platform (much like
the pricey Tiogo pedals Riv sells).  If I always rode in super wet
weather, I might consider doing this to a pair to add a little more
traction.

Look forward to some pics from your tour,

-Jay B.
Denver, CO

On Jul 29, 9:19 pm, Mike  wrote:
> So I'm thinking I'll use my Grip King pedals for my upcoming tour. I'm
> curious what people like for "pedaling free". I went bike camping last
> night, 120 miles roundtrip so I got a good idea about if this will
> work. For the most part the shoes I'm using now, old style Vans, are
> fine although I did develop a bit of a hot spot. I'm thinking a new
> pair of shoes will rectify the situation and I may just go with Vans
> again but I'm curious what others are using.
>
> Also, I did the ride in MUSA shorts and an REI SS button front shirt
> and this also worked well. I just don't see the need or sense of
> riding in bibs and clipless pedals for this tour.
>
> Thanks,
> mike
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[RBW] Re: 'poor man's noodles'

[Horace]

I don't understand.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:37 PM, William
Henderson wrote:
>
> always sigh when i see this
>
> http://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/1295683226.html
>
> (see top-left pic)
> >
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[Bruce]

Yes, in the heel especially, which I like as it helps prevent heel rub on the 
crank arm. 




From: Mike 



 Samba... If I remember correctly they run narrow. 



  
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[Mike]

Thanks for all the recommendations. I wish I could wear Tevas but they
don't seem to work for me on the bike. I may give them a brief try
this weekend. It would be great if they work. And thanks for the Samba
recommendation. I actually live right down the street from Addidas in
Portland. Maybe I'll check out the store there and see what they have.
I think I get some kind of neighborhood discount. If I remember
correctly they run narrow. Also, good to hear the Patagonias work
well. Lots of choices

One thing I've noticed is that my calves feel sore today. I'm
wondering if I'll have to change my saddle height. Any suggestions?

--mike



On Jul 30, 6:12 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> I've done a lot of riding in Teva sandals (I prefer to wear them with
> smartwool socks) and in some Keen slip ons (same socks). Neither has a
> stiff sole. I think it's wrong to assume that a stiff sole is
> desirable in this case. A soft, flexy sole is more comfortable, allows
> you to feel the pedal under your foot, and may provide better
> traction. I've only developed "hot spots" while wearing stiff-soled
> shoes, never with flexy-soled shoes. BTW, I ride only MKS Sylvan
> touring pedals. The Grip Kings never suited me.
> Jim
>
> On Jul 29, 10:19 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
> > So I'm thinking I'll use my Grip King pedals for my upcoming tour. I'm
> > curious what people like for "pedaling free". I went bike camping last
> > night, 120 miles roundtrip so I got a good idea about if this will
> > work. For the most part the shoes I'm using now, old style Vans, are
> > fine although I did develop a bit of a hot spot. I'm thinking a new
> > pair of shoes will rectify the situation and I may just go with Vans
> > again but I'm curious what others are using.
>
> > Also, I did the ride in MUSA shorts and an REI SS button front shirt
> > and this also worked well. I just don't see the need or sense of
> > riding in bibs and clipless pedals for this tour.
>
> > Thanks,
> > mike
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I've done a lot of riding in Teva sandals (I prefer to wear them with
smartwool socks) and in some Keen slip ons (same socks). Neither has a
stiff sole. I think it's wrong to assume that a stiff sole is
desirable in this case. A soft, flexy sole is more comfortable, allows
you to feel the pedal under your foot, and may provide better
traction. I've only developed "hot spots" while wearing stiff-soled
shoes, never with flexy-soled shoes. BTW, I ride only MKS Sylvan
touring pedals. The Grip Kings never suited me.
Jim




On Jul 29, 10:19 pm, Mike  wrote:
> So I'm thinking I'll use my Grip King pedals for my upcoming tour. I'm
> curious what people like for "pedaling free". I went bike camping last
> night, 120 miles roundtrip so I got a good idea about if this will
> work. For the most part the shoes I'm using now, old style Vans, are
> fine although I did develop a bit of a hot spot. I'm thinking a new
> pair of shoes will rectify the situation and I may just go with Vans
> again but I'm curious what others are using.
>
> Also, I did the ride in MUSA shorts and an REI SS button front shirt
> and this also worked well. I just don't see the need or sense of
> riding in bibs and clipless pedals for this tour.
>
> Thanks,
> mike
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[Patrick in VT]

>Mike wrote: Thanks everyone, these are good suggestions. I'm >thinking of 
>trying
>these: http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/product/mens-bagley-shoe?>p=79565-

Mike - I rode an entire brevet series in those exact shoes.  They've
held up amazingly well through lots of rain, snow and muck.  and I
find them pretty comfy for long distance rides.



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[RBW] Re: Grant Peterson quoted in Dwell magazine

[Rocky B]

I can't seem to open your link.  Is it supposed to take me to a flickr
site?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell racks

[Rick]

That's remarkable.  Looks like you had a rod along for the trip too.
Excellent set of photos.
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[RBW] Grant Peterson quoted in Dwell magazine

[Will]

Sept 2009 issue, p. 106, http://tinyurl.com/n7qf95 (see the
"transportation" column).
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[Bruce]

Mike:

 I saw Addidas Samba Millenium indoor soccer shoes recommended here, and tried 
a pair. I like them a lot for riding. WIth Grip Kings (MKS Lambdas) no strap is 
needed for efficient comfortable pedaling. With MKS Sylvan Touring, I prefer 
Power Grips. I do pull up (with hip flexors) when using the straps, but few 
people do much on the up stroke no matter what.

The shoes:

http://www.onlineshoes.com/mens-adidas-samba-millennium-black-running-white-gold-p_id6552





From: Mike 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:19:52 PM
Subject: [RBW] Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.


So I'm thinking I'll use my Grip King pedals for my upcoming tour. I'm
curious what people like for "pedaling free". I went bike camping last
night, 120 miles roundtrip so I got a good idea about if this will
work. For the most part the shoes I'm using now, old style Vans, are
fine although I did develop a bit of a hot spot. I'm thinking a new
pair of shoes will rectify the situation and I may just go with Vans
again but I'm curious what others are using.

Also, I did the ride in MUSA shorts and an REI SS button front shirt
and this also worked well. I just don't see the need or sense of
riding in bibs and clipless pedals for this tour.

Thanks,
mike


  
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for pedaling free.

[Angus]

Mike,

I prefer something with a stiff sole that breaths (summer) or
something with a stiff sole that is warm (winter).

If you are not using clips the external shape of the shoe shouldn't
matter much.

Angus

On Jul 29, 11:32 pm, Mike  wrote:
> Thanks everyone, these are good suggestions. I'm thinking of trying
> these:
>
> http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/product/mens-bagley-shoe?p=79565-0-707
>
> They're pricey but I've been very satisfied with the Patagonia stuff
> I've purchased over the years.
>
> --mike
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