[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The posters are in stock and available to order. Planning to send one to 
RBWHQ for free so they can update from the 2011 poster that was hanging in 
the mechanic area when I visited.

http://www.hiawathacyclery.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=356

On Monday, April 1, 2013 1:52:22 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the orders! So far, about 50 of these are pre-sold or 
> reserved. I plan to get only about 100 prints, so not a huge number left.
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2013 6:12:31 PM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Great looking poster. I've got just the place for it. 
>> --Smitty
>>
>> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:02:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
>> Cyclery wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeez, I love this one.
>>> http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-poster.html
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[cyclotourist]

Question 20 made me laugh. Of the 14 retailers listed, it's easier to mark
the ones I've never purchased anything from (Globetrotter, Modern Bike,
Rose Versand)!

Cheers,
David



On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Matthew J  wrote:

> Waterproof schmaterproof.  The big story to me anyway is Brooks is coming
> out with a vegan hammock saddle.
>>
>>
> When I stopped eating meat years ago, I also gave up on leather products.
>  Except for saddles.  I tried a large number of the injection molded
> saddles out there.  They were all portable torture chambers to me.  Finally
> wound up going back to leather with Berthoud.
>
> I've read about some noble failures to make lorica hammock saddles.
>  Brooks is doing some interesting things with modern fabric and materials.
>  the Land's End / John O'Groats packs I recently picked up appear to be
> very nice.  They are well designed, light, and supposedly quite water
> proof.  Ortlieb makes them, so I am not too worried about trying them out
> before going on my next tour.
>
> Really hope these saddles turn out to be the real deal.  Looking forward
> to buying my first Cambium from Rivendell.
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Go ride it Phillip.  You'll be amazed.  I look forward to your write up of 
your experience. 

On the other stuff... my, my, my... I do just shake my head some times.   
But, since we got our new dog, she and the older one wrestle and chew on 
one another for hours every day.  It sounds terrifying, but they both seem 
to enjoy themselves. 

- Jim / list admin who just popped in briefly to clear the queue and is now 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who steals a bike rack from Rivendell?!?!

[cyclotourist]

A: Tweakers

Cheers,
David



On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> Weird.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:21:00 PM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Just saw this. Pretty pissed. It was an awesome bike rack also with
>> Rivendell's name on it. I'm think someone stole it for the metal. Anyone
>> check at any of the local Recycling places?
>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/**eby/bik/3749459611.html
>>
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Re: [RBW] 58cm Bosco Bullmoose Extension

[René Sterental]

It's 12 cm. 


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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Peter M  wrote:

> I poked around the web and archives but couldnt get a 100% answer. What is 
> the extension, ie reach-not quill length, on the 58CM Bullmoose Bosco 
> Bars?  (Riv content 100%)
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[RBW] Re: Who steals a bike rack from Rivendell?!?!

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Weird.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:21:00 PM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Just saw this. Pretty pissed. It was an awesome bike rack also with 
> Rivendell's name on it. I'm think someone stole it for the metal. Anyone 
> check at any of the local Recycling places?
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3749459611.html
>
>
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Wheelset for Ram

[Steve Chan]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> 2a. What are my options for similar rim/hub combos? I mean, what other rims
> are comparable to the Open Pro? I want something sturdy, sub 500 gram,
> silver, good reputation. I've used Sun rims like the M14A and the ME14A and
> they are inexpensive, light, and apparently bullet proof. A semi aero
> profile is fine. Would prefer something as wide as the Open Pro. As to hubs,
> as long as they are at Hyperglide, the bearings are decent and they are
> silver or, at least, not ugly, I'm not particular.

   For what it is worth, Open Pro seems to generate a lot of comments
that quality has declined quite a bit in recent years, especially in
comparison to other, newer rims.

   The Open Pro is a fairly lightweight rim (at least, the original
extrusion was - not sure how heavy the extrusions are running these
days). The modern shiny box section rim of comparable weight is the
Pacenti PL23, which has been getting praise for its well designed
channel/bean seat. Its a 23mm wide rim and provides better support for
a tire of 23mm or larger. I have a pair in the garage in 650B waiting
to be built up one the Rawland Stag shows up - its a pretty rim.

   In a shiny rim, the A23 in silver is another lightweight contender,
and is basically the same width as the PL23. The H Plus Son TB14 that
others have mentioned is a classic shiny box section rim, but it is on
the heavier side, coming in on either side of 500g.

   The H Plus Son Archetype comes in a high polished finish and is a
semi-aero rim lighter than the TB14, but heavier than the PL23. This
rim was the darling of the professional custom wheel builder crowd in
late 2012 until the latest Pacenti SL23 came out (sadly not available
in a silver or polished finish). I've been looking at the Archetype
for a new wheelset, but nobody in the US seems to have these in high
polish finish and it costs $50 to have a box of rims shipped from H
Plus Son in China. Anyone local want to split the postage on some H
Plus Son rims?

   For what it is worth, it appears that Sun is the OEM for the nicer
H Plus Son and Pacenti rims, so maybe you want to look at the main Sun
offerings as well. They seem to be more highly regarded in terms of
quality than the current Open Pros.

http://fairwheelbikes.com/cycling-blog/products/2013-rim-roundup.html


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[RBW] Re: Suntour is back & says it's keeping it real w/ old skool ideology

[Fai Mao]

Looking at the parent website
http://joy-japan.com

It appears that they are either in cahoots or one and same company as 
MicroShift which is interesting 

In fact on the joy-japan.com site the two logos a superimposed one above 
the other. 




On Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:39:55 PM UTC+10, stonehog wrote:
>
> Forwarding from the Rando list. Interesting from the many Rivs with 
> Suntour components...
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, Wa
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Jenny Oh Hatfield >
> *Date:* April 12, 2013, 9:36:27 AM HST
> *To:* ran...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* *[Randon] Suntour is back & says it's keeping it real w/ old 
> skool ideology*
>
> "Junzo feels the time is right to re-enter the bicycle component 
> business.  As he puts it “the market is too race-centric;  carbon fiber, 
> electric shifting, full suspension, 11 speed, doesn’t really enhance the 
> enjoyment of cycling.  In the 1970’s and 80’s we cycled to be closer to 
> nature, for the environment, for our health, for the simple beauty of 
> cycling.”  For these reasons SunXCD will focus on touring and randonneuring 
> components which were the focus of SunTour during its heyday."
>
> Read more here .
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jenny
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[RBW] Re: 2 day Delaware Water Gap Ride

[BenG]

So beautiful.  I enjoyed this very much, thank you!
 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Rivendell Bleriot (Frame/Fork/Headset) and 650b Wheelset

[Irv]

SOLD!

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Philip Williamson]

Agreed. "Hey Liesl! Tell me more about your Appaloosa experience. I have a 
desire to drive over to Rivendell and try out the prototype, but don't think 
it's "my kind of bike." What do you think?"

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Dutch Fender Light Question

[Philip Williamson]

I bought a Dremel at Christmas, and haven't used it once. I keep hearing there 
are all these uses for them...

And I'm staring at my medium format camera, and realize that my 35mm film hack 
for it would be way cleaner and easier if I used the Dremel...

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Dutch Fender Light Question

[Michael]

>
> If you are talking about the Spanninga tail light, I mounted one on my 
> Longboards
> It doesn't rub my Hetres.
> Seems to be fine.
> Spacer sounds like the ticket until you can file it down or something.
>

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[RBW] Who steals a bike rack from Rivendell?!?!

[Manuel Acosta]

Just saw this. Pretty pissed. It was an awesome bike rack also with 
Rivendell's name on it. I'm think someone stole it for the metal. Anyone 
check at any of the local Recycling places?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/3749459611.html


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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Shaun Meehan]

I love Rivendell bikes and I used to own two of them. The reason I don't
own any now is simply because I couldn't bear seeing them get beat up. So
now I ride powder-coated, less-expansive alternatives. I still like the
Rivendell "philosophy" and occasional buy great products from RBW. But
frankly, I just don't see an issue with discussing alternatives to Riv
products when someone cannot afford or is otherwise not inclined to
purchase a Rivendell.

Shaun Meehan


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:13 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Amen, brother Deacon, amen.
>
> Patrick Moore, trying to follow St. Paul and suffer fools gladly in
> surprisingly cold, cloudy and windy ABQ, NM
>
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>> tried and true option.
>>
>> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

The bike shop in Bath, Maine that built my Sam for me did a great job 
building the wheels.
Synergy rims, XT hubs, 36 14/15 spokes front and back, hand built by them. 
Their prices were surprisingly reasonable and I have had no issues going on 
3 years of almost daily use.
They are on the web as bikeman.com. The site doesn't look very Rivish, but 
it is a real shop and they treated me extremely well.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.


On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:02:55 AM UTC+3, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Two questions: First, I want to sell the skinny wheelset for the Fargo: 
> Bike shop built Sun Rhyno Lite rims with 32 14 g spokes laced to (rear) 
> black SRAM 8//9/10 Shimano compatible disk cassette hub with Avid BB7 160 
> mm rotor (not bent!), no cassette; front ditto to Shimano DH 3DN72 set up 
> with Avid rotor as above using Problem Solver's converter (ie, from splined 
> to 6 bolt). Plus pair of moderately used Kevlar bead 35 mm Kojaks and two 
> pairs of 28-35 mm tubes. Wheels have no more than 1,200 miles on them as 
> they shared Fargo duty with the SnoCat wheelset.
>
> I see Rhyno Lite wheelsets on sale for as little as $150 (26"). What's a 
> fair price for this one?
>
> Second: I want a nice silver wheelset for the Ram. The ideal would have 
> sporty-ish rim like an Open Pro, rear 36 and front 32, 14/15 butted spokes, 
> hubs at least 105 level. Best would be a 7 speed wheelset that I could 
> respace to 132.5 But 32/32 or 36/36 and 7 or 8/9/10 are fine. 
>
> 2a. What are my options for similar rim/hub combos? I mean, what other 
> rims are comparable to the Open Pro? I want something sturdy, sub 500 gram, 
> silver, good reputation. I've used Sun rims like the M14A and the ME14A and 
> they are inexpensive, light, and apparently bullet proof. A semi aero 
> profile is fine. Would prefer something as wide as the Open Pro. As to 
> hubs, as long as they are at Hyperglide, the bearings are decent and they 
> are silver or, at least, not ugly, I'm not particular.
> 2b. What are the best sources for such wheels -- quality, customer 
> service, price, in that order?
> 2c. Does anyone have something like that to trade or sell?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[PATRICK MOORE]

Amen, brother Deacon, amen.

Patrick Moore, trying to follow St. Paul and suffer fools gladly in
surprisingly cold, cloudy and windy ABQ, NM

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Wheelset for Ram

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks for this, Steve; will put this aside for future reference (and
thanks to the others, too -- must keep Handspun in mind). Good to hear that
Sun rims are still good buys; am still running M14As and ME14As from almost
20 years ago (in the 559 and 571 sizes).

Almost bought an Alex R500 or somesuch wheelset on Craigslist today:
http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/3699216171.html

$80 is good, but they are marginally appropriate, aesthetically, and the
reviews on RBR gave them a 2.35 out of 5, with many comments about rust,
breaking spokes, etc, so I passed. Might as well hold out for something
decent and silver for this keeper of a bike.

Am keeping both the Handspun/buy new and Build Your Own For Once, Dammit!
options open. Must see what Stevie has this week in hubs and rims.



On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Steve Chan  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:02 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
> wrote:
> > 2a. What are my options for similar rim/hub combos? I mean, what other
> rims
> > are comparable to the Open Pro? I want something sturdy, sub 500 gram,
> > silver, good reputation. I've used Sun rims like the M14A and the ME14A
> and
> > they are inexpensive, light, and apparently bullet proof. A semi aero
> > profile is fine. Would prefer something as wide as the Open Pro. As to
> hubs,
> > as long as they are at Hyperglide, the bearings are decent and they are
> > silver or, at least, not ugly, I'm not particular.
>
>For what it is worth, Open Pro seems to generate a lot of comments
> that quality has declined quite a bit in recent years, especially in
> comparison to other, newer rims.
>
>The Open Pro is a fairly lightweight rim (at least, the original
> extrusion was - not sure how heavy the extrusions are running these
> days). The modern shiny box section rim of comparable weight is the
> Pacenti PL23, which has been getting praise for its well designed
> channel/bean seat. Its a 23mm wide rim and provides better support for
> a tire of 23mm or larger. I have a pair in the garage in 650B waiting
> to be built up one the Rawland Stag shows up - its a pretty rim.
>
>In a shiny rim, the A23 in silver is another lightweight contender,
> and is basically the same width as the PL23. The H Plus Son TB14 that
> others have mentioned is a classic shiny box section rim, but it is on
> the heavier side, coming in on either side of 500g.
>
>The H Plus Son Archetype comes in a high polished finish and is a
> semi-aero rim lighter than the TB14, but heavier than the PL23. This
> rim was the darling of the professional custom wheel builder crowd in
> late 2012 until the latest Pacenti SL23 came out (sadly not available
> in a silver or polished finish). I've been looking at the Archetype
> for a new wheelset, but nobody in the US seems to have these in high
> polish finish and it costs $50 to have a box of rims shipped from H
> Plus Son in China. Anyone local want to split the postage on some H
> Plus Son rims?
>
>For what it is worth, it appears that Sun is the OEM for the nicer
> H Plus Son and Pacenti rims, so maybe you want to look at the main Sun
> offerings as well. They seem to be more highly regarded in terms of
> quality than the current Open Pros.
>
> http://fairwheelbikes.com/cycling-blog/products/2013-rim-roundup.html
>
>
>Steve
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> Smiles
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Re: [RBW] Tarptent advice?

[Eric Platt]

And yet another vote for the Spitfire.  Also have the 2 and it is quite
comfy for me being both almost tall and definitely wide.

Borderline Riv content - purchased mine on the advice of Grant after
quizzing him on some of the more expensive tents seen in photos on the site.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> Another vote for the Spitfire. As a fellow tall guy, it has enough room
> (and extra) for me. I have the two man version, which actually fits two
> grown men (or me and my six year old and all his toys).
>
> Eric Daume
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Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[Matthew J]

Waterproof schmaterproof.  The big story to me anyway is Brooks is coming 
out with a vegan hammock saddle.  
>
>
When I stopped eating meat years ago, I also gave up on leather products. 
 Except for saddles.  I tried a large number of the injection molded 
saddles out there.  They were all portable torture chambers to me.  Finally 
wound up going back to leather with Berthoud. 

I've read about some noble failures to make lorica hammock saddles.  Brooks 
is doing some interesting things with modern fabric and materials.  the 
Land's End / John O'Groats packs I recently picked up appear to be very 
nice.  They are well designed, light, and supposedly quite water proof. 
 Ortlieb makes them, so I am not too worried about trying them out before 
going on my next tour.

Really hope these saddles turn out to be the real deal.  Looking forward to 
buying my first Cambium from Rivendell.

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Re: [RBW] Tarptent advice?

[Eric Daume]

Another vote for the Spitfire. As a fellow tall guy, it has enough room
(and extra) for me. I have the two man version, which actually fits two
grown men (or me and my six year old and all his toys).

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Scott Henry  wrote:

> No experience in the tarptents, but this is the regular one-man tent that
> I use.
>
> http://store.eurekatent.com/spitfire-1-tent
>
> Very small, very light and easy to setup, pack and carry.  Cheap too.
> I have about 40 nights in it over a few years and never a problem.   Once
> was a 3 week stay and for that I'd have liked to have a bigger tent, but
> the size to weight issue is hard to overcome.
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Zack  wrote:
>
>> Hey all.
>>
>> I am currently contemplating picking up a Tarptent to fill a "need" for a
>> one person bike camping tent.  I currently have the hennessy hammock, which
>> is fantastic but dependent on trees, and a big/relatively heavy/substantial
>> 3 person tent.
>>
>> I want to get something lightweight that I can use when I am going
>> somewhere that I am not sure about setting up the hammock.
>>
>> I am big (6'3") and don't want any part of sleeping in open air/dealing
>> with bugs, so would need to get one of the tarptents that actually closes
>> up in order to be able to sleep at night.
>>
>> Looking at the tarptent site, it's tough to determine which of their
>> options works best for what I am trying to do, so I figured I would ask you
>> guys.
>>
>> Any thoughts on this?  Anyone have a tarptent that they don't use/don't
>> like and want to get rid of?
>>
>> Much obliged!
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Deacon Patrick]

Ignoring those who seek attention through annoying or bad behavior is a 
tried and true option.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Peter Morgano]

Good point, what is the sense of telling each other that everyone is civil
when people aren't? There are a few people here who are always on the
attack and try to ruin it for everyone, I know they have ruined it for me
and I will be quitting this whole thing soon. I had two friends from work
join this list only to quit after being picked on by certain individuals so
its not like its just me.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> I find the saddest irony in the most recent back-and-forth posts to this
> specific thread when its very topic is about tone and civility.
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[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Liesl]

I find the saddest irony in the most recent back-and-forth posts to this 
specific thread when its very topic is about tone and civility. 

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[RBW] Re: Dutch Fender Light Question

[Deacon Patrick]

I just delight that there are people far more capable than me at wrestling 
with the stubborn inanimate of the world and bending them to their will. I 
have deep reverence for all of you!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:03:15 PM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> A dremel is one of the handiest tools for those of us who monkey around 
> with bikes and their various accessories. Cut/grind to fit. Some of our 
> customers would be horrified if they knew the barbaric methods we use to 
> make their bikes look good and work well. :)
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote:
>>
>> Spacers!  That will do for now.  I guess I may end up just buying a 
>> dremel tool for cutting bolts too, this comes up relatively often in my 
>> bike adjusting shenanigans.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Peter Morgano]

No steve, I doubt you are the only angry old man here, just the most vocal.
I would think as Sullivan County natives we could come together, doubt
there are many of us on this list.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Cyclofiend Jim, I so very much appreciate your spring reminder and the
> thoughtful way in which you articulated it.  The emphasis on the narrow
> focus contributing to the quality of discussion is spot on.  I hope that I
> continue to live up to that noble standard in my posts and not err to far
> on the topic drift side.
>
> And thank you for all of your behind the scenes work in having this be the
> outstanding group that it is. 2300 members!  Dang!
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[RBW] Re: Dutch Fender Light Question

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

A dremel is one of the handiest tools for those of us who monkey around 
with bikes and their various accessories. Cut/grind to fit. Some of our 
customers would be horrified if they knew the barbaric methods we use to 
make their bikes look good and work well. :)

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:06:45 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote:
>
> Spacers!  That will do for now.  I guess I may end up just buying a dremel 
> tool for cutting bolts too, this comes up relatively often in my bike 
> adjusting shenanigans.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Liesl]

Cyclofiend Jim, I so very much appreciate your spring reminder and the 
thoughtful way in which you articulated it.  The emphasis on the narrow 
focus contributing to the quality of discussion is spot on.  I hope that I 
continue to live up to that noble standard in my posts and not err to far 
on the topic drift side.

And thank you for all of your behind the scenes work in having this be the 
outstanding group that it is. 2300 members!  Dang!

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

That some of us are a-holes, or occasionally perceived as such, is probably 
OT.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:55:29 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:44 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: 
> > unlike the other nasty ones you sent to my personal email address. 
>
> The last time I sent you a private email was in Nov. 2012.  Here's what 
> I said:  "Oy is British as well as Yiddish." 
>
> Before that, July 11, 2012, I said: 
> "No reason you couldn't put lights on a Domane, and it already comes 
> with 
> (disappearing) fender mounts.  How much more practical does he want? 
> It'll be light.  It'll be trendy.  It'll cost him $11,000, he'll be 
> happy and you can laugh your a$$ off when you figure out the cost 
> benefit ratio." 
>
> Earlier, in March 2012 we had the following exchange, in which you 
> accused me of "bullying" you: 
>
>
> > On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 17:57 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote: 
> > > Well like most online bullying that is not how it started but that 
> > is how it feels now. 
> > 
> > Last time, after which I drop this discussion. 
> > 
> > If you feel as though you are being bullied you may well be feeling 
> > that, but it is all in your imagination. 
> > 
> > > I guess we will have to agree to disagree. 
> > 
> > If you believe there are 2 hand positions for drop bars, then we will 
> > indeed have to disagree.   
> > 
> > 
> > > I would mostly like to just drop it since none of it is relevant to 
> > > this group or the discussions here. 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, your interpretation of a simple statement of fact based on 
> > over 50 years of using drop bars correcting your misconception 
> > regarding hand positions is entirely relevant to discussions on the 
> > list.   
> > 
> > When somebody corrects a misunderstanding with a simple statement of 
> > fact, do not assume sarcasm and do not project hostility into the 
> > discussion.   There's no basis for such assumptions.  Not on the RBW 
> > list.   
> > 
> > 
> > > More fatherly advice is we dont all have to like each other but we 
> > > shoudl all be civil. 
> > 
> > This has been a civil discussion. 
> > 
> > I'm done. 
> > 
> > 
>
> Are these the emails to your personal email address that you're so 
> incensed about?   Or have you confused me with someone else?  I'm sure 
> I'm not the only one who thinks you're out of line here... 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:44 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> unlike the other nasty ones you sent to my personal email address.

The last time I sent you a private email was in Nov. 2012.  Here's what
I said:  "Oy is British as well as Yiddish."

Before that, July 11, 2012, I said:
"No reason you couldn't put lights on a Domane, and it already comes
with
(disappearing) fender mounts.  How much more practical does he want?
It'll be light.  It'll be trendy.  It'll cost him $11,000, he'll be
happy and you can laugh your a$$ off when you figure out the cost
benefit ratio."

Earlier, in March 2012 we had the following exchange, in which you
accused me of "bullying" you:


> On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 17:57 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > Well like most online bullying that is not how it started but that
> is how it feels now. 
> 
> Last time, after which I drop this discussion.
> 
> If you feel as though you are being bullied you may well be feeling
> that, but it is all in your imagination.
> 
> > I guess we will have to agree to disagree. 
> 
> If you believe there are 2 hand positions for drop bars, then we will
> indeed have to disagree.  
> 
> 
> > I would mostly like to just drop it since none of it is relevant to
> > this group or the discussions here. 
> 
> 
> Actually, your interpretation of a simple statement of fact based on
> over 50 years of using drop bars correcting your misconception
> regarding hand positions is entirely relevant to discussions on the
> list.  
> 
> When somebody corrects a misunderstanding with a simple statement of
> fact, do not assume sarcasm and do not project hostility into the
> discussion.   There's no basis for such assumptions.  Not on the RBW
> list.  
> 
> 
> > More fatherly advice is we dont all have to like each other but we
> > shoudl all be civil. 
> 
> This has been a civil discussion.
> 
> I'm done.
> 
> 

Are these the emails to your personal email address that you're so
incensed about?   Or have you confused me with someone else?  I'm sure
I'm not the only one who thinks you're out of line here...



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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Dynamo Wheelset, IQ Fly, Disc Compatible

[Scot Brooks]

Thanks Liesl! 

And believe it or not, the wheels and light have been sold and paid 
for. This list moves like lightning!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Dynamo Wheelset, IQ Fly, Disc Compatible

[Liesl]

Boy, Scot, that sure is a pretty Sam!

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Peter Morgano]

unlike the other nasty ones you sent to my personal email address.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:40 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > Right on cue. Shouldn't you have sent it to my personal email address
> > though?
>
> No, I want to go on the public record.
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> > wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:19 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > > I am personally posting less and less since the nasty emails
> > sent to
> > > my personal email address ,it seems some people want to take
> > comments
> > > and put words in the mouth of the writers, but there will
> > always be
> > > those people, unfortunately. I will stick my neck out again
> > and say if
> > > you don't own a Rivendell and never will not sure why you
> > would be a
> > > member here at all, if the intent is to talk after all about
> > Rivendell
> > > bikes and whatnot.
> >
> >
> > Some might well say questioning the motives of those who
> > choose to join
> > this group and participate in discussions is itself "less than
> > savory."
> >
> >
> >
> > > I like 70's Muscle Cars but wouldn't engage in a discussion
> > about them
> > > unless I had one or had some plan to get one, seems both
> > futile and
> > > frustrating. I guess I don't see this as some sort of
> > "lifestyle" like
> > > the Paleo, Vegan or other more life style oriented lists.  I
> > love my
> > > Bombadil, but without it my life would be pretty much the
> > same,  I
> > > know for others it is different and I think that is awesome,
> > I just
> > > don't know where they are coming from, personally.  Feel
> > free to send
> > > nasty emails to me, I work in due diligence so its sometimes
> > my job to
> > > deal with less than savory people.
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:40 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Right on cue. Shouldn't you have sent it to my personal email address
> though?

No, I want to go on the public record.  


> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:19 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > I am personally posting less and less since the nasty emails
> sent to
> > my personal email address ,it seems some people want to take
> comments
> > and put words in the mouth of the writers, but there will
> always be
> > those people, unfortunately. I will stick my neck out again
> and say if
> > you don't own a Rivendell and never will not sure why you
> would be a
> > member here at all, if the intent is to talk after all about
> Rivendell
> > bikes and whatnot.
> 
> 
> Some might well say questioning the motives of those who
> choose to join
> this group and participate in discussions is itself "less than
> savory."
> 
> 
> 
> > I like 70's Muscle Cars but wouldn't engage in a discussion
> about them
> > unless I had one or had some plan to get one, seems both
> futile and
> > frustrating. I guess I don't see this as some sort of
> "lifestyle" like
> > the Paleo, Vegan or other more life style oriented lists.  I
> love my
> > Bombadil, but without it my life would be pretty much the
> same,  I
> > know for others it is different and I think that is awesome,
> I just
> > don't know where they are coming from, personally.  Feel
> free to send
> > nasty emails to me, I work in due diligence so its sometimes
> my job to
> > deal with less than savory people.
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Peter Morgano]

Right on cue. Shouldn't you have sent it to my personal email address
though?


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:19 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> > I am personally posting less and less since the nasty emails sent to
> > my personal email address ,it seems some people want to take comments
> > and put words in the mouth of the writers, but there will always be
> > those people, unfortunately. I will stick my neck out again and say if
> > you don't own a Rivendell and never will not sure why you would be a
> > member here at all, if the intent is to talk after all about Rivendell
> > bikes and whatnot.
>
> Some might well say questioning the motives of those who choose to join
> this group and participate in discussions is itself "less than savory."
>
>
>
> > I like 70's Muscle Cars but wouldn't engage in a discussion about them
> > unless I had one or had some plan to get one, seems both futile and
> > frustrating. I guess I don't see this as some sort of "lifestyle" like
> > the Paleo, Vegan or other more life style oriented lists.  I love my
> > Bombadil, but without it my life would be pretty much the same,  I
> > know for others it is different and I think that is awesome, I just
> > don't know where they are coming from, personally.  Feel free to send
> > nasty emails to me, I work in due diligence so its sometimes my job to
> > deal with less than savory people.
> >
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 18:19 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
> I am personally posting less and less since the nasty emails sent to
> my personal email address ,it seems some people want to take comments
> and put words in the mouth of the writers, but there will always be
> those people, unfortunately. I will stick my neck out again and say if
> you don't own a Rivendell and never will not sure why you would be a
> member here at all, if the intent is to talk after all about Rivendell
> bikes and whatnot. 

Some might well say questioning the motives of those who choose to join
this group and participate in discussions is itself "less than savory."



> I like 70's Muscle Cars but wouldn't engage in a discussion about them
> unless I had one or had some plan to get one, seems both futile and
> frustrating. I guess I don't see this as some sort of "lifestyle" like
> the Paleo, Vegan or other more life style oriented lists.  I love my
> Bombadil, but without it my life would be pretty much the same,  I
> know for others it is different and I think that is awesome, I just
> don't know where they are coming from, personally.  Feel free to send
> nasty emails to me, I work in due diligence so its sometimes my job to
> deal with less than savory people.
> 



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Re: [RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Peter Morgano]

I am personally posting less and less since the nasty emails sent to my
personal email address ,it seems some people want to take comments and put
words in the mouth of the writers, but there will always be those people,
unfortunately. I will stick my neck out again and say if you don't own a
Rivendell and never will not sure why you would be a member here at all, if
the intent is to talk after all about Rivendell bikes and whatnot. I like
70's Muscle Cars but wouldn't engage in a discussion about them unless I
had one or had some plan to get one, seems both futile and frustrating. I
guess I don't see this as some sort of "lifestyle" like the Paleo, Vegan or
other more life style oriented lists.  I love my Bombadil, but without it
my life would be pretty much the same,  I know for others it is different
and I think that is awesome, I just don't know where they are coming from,
personally.  Feel free to send nasty emails to me, I work in due diligence
so its sometimes my job to deal with less than savory people.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I don't understand if/how far OT my post on the fixie is, but I deeply
> appreciate getting advice from folks who appreciate the Rivendell level of
> quality and experience -- that is something I can't get easily on another
> list, where Riv riding philosophy is the exception rather than the norm.
> Also, folks here already know a fair bit of my backstory, have memory, and
> apply that to their responses. That is wonderful! I apologize for pushing
> the OT envelope.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:08:05 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting excited
>> about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they have real
>> winters, things are looking good.
>>
>> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, there
>> seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not related to
>> the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a problem, but
>> given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards entropy, I thought it
>> might be a good moment to articulate it.
>>
>> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300
>> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As I've
>> written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more than twice
>> that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking everyone
>> who has continued to make this a positive and interesting discussion.  I 
>> especially
>> thank those who have been regular in sharing, answering  and hanging out
>> here since we threw the doors open.
>>
>> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves by
>> what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't think that
>> Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they emphasize the
>> things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any
>> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just
>> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about
>> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about
>> either.
>>
>> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>>
>> I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a
>> public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have arrived,
>> everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the doors
>> means that "baggage" is left outside.  It takes the agreement of all to
>> make that work.
>> The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the case.
>> The quality of discussions remain high.
>>
>> The slight downside is that because of the level of discourse, it 
>> periodically
>> gets distracted.  That's a very natural condition - after all, when you
>> are with folks who have good ideas and thoughts, who manage to state
>> them clearly and in ways that are optimistic and well-thought-through,
>> you want to seek their opinions on other topics as well.
>>
>> The caution flag I'd like to raise is that the very narrowness of this
>> list is what gives rise to that high quality.  It's important to
>> remember that if you are tagging your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then it
>> doesn't belong on this list. General questions are best posted to more
>> general lists.
>>
>> Just by staying on topic, we're going to generate a fair amount of
>> traffic. One of the hallmarks of this list has been a very high signal to
>> noise ratio. It's solid information from the people using and thinking
>> about the items.
>>
>> And we've gotten to know one another pretty well, generated real, live
>> get-togethers among the members.  As the photos from recent regional
>> rides, there's a lot to cover just within the stated topic of this group.All 
>> good stuff.  No... GREAT stuff.  Take a new friend riding this month,
>> and make

[RBW] Re: Dutch Fender Light Question

[Zack]

Spacers!  That will do for now.  I guess I may end up just buying a dremel 
tool for cutting bolts too, this comes up relatively often in my bike 
adjusting shenanigans.


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[RBW] Re: A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Deacon Patrick]

I don't understand if/how far OT my post on the fixie is, but I deeply 
appreciate getting advice from folks who appreciate the Rivendell level of 
quality and experience -- that is something I can't get easily on another 
list, where Riv riding philosophy is the exception rather than the norm. 
Also, folks here already know a fair bit of my backstory, have memory, and 
apply that to their responses. That is wonderful! I apologize for pushing 
the OT envelope.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:08:05 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting excited 
> about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they have real 
> winters, things are looking good.
>
> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, there 
> seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not related to 
> the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a problem, but 
> given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards entropy, I thought it 
> might be a good moment to articulate it.  
>
> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
> membersand last month there 
> were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As I've written before, 1,000 members was 
> a big milestone, and more than twice that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I 
> have to start by thanking everyone who has continued to make this a 
> positive and interesting discussion.  I especially thank those who have 
> been regular in sharing, answering  and hanging out here since we threw 
> the doors open.  
>
> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves by 
> what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't think that 
> Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they emphasize the 
> things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any 
> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just 
> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about 
> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about 
> either.
>
> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>
> I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a 
> public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have arrived, 
> everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the doors 
> means that "baggage" is left outside.  It takes the agreement of all to 
> make that work.  
> The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the case. 
> The quality of discussions remain high.
>
> The slight downside is that because of the level of discourse, it 
> periodically 
> gets distracted.  That's a very natural condition - after all, when you 
> are with folks who have good ideas and thoughts, who manage to state them 
> clearly and in ways that are optimistic and well-thought-through, you 
> want to seek their opinions on other topics as well.  
>
> The caution flag I'd like to raise is that the very narrowness of this 
> list is what gives rise to that high quality.  It's important to remember 
> that if you are tagging your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then it doesn't 
> belong on this list. General questions are best posted to more general 
> lists.  
>
> Just by staying on topic, we're going to generate a fair amount of 
> traffic. One of the hallmarks of this list has been a very high signal to 
> noise ratio. It's solid information from the people using and thinking 
> about the items.
>
> And we've gotten to know one another pretty well, generated real, live 
> get-togethers among the members.  As the photos from recent regional rides, 
> there's a lot to cover just within the stated topic of this group. All 
> good stuff.  No... GREAT stuff.  Take a new friend riding this month, and 
> make sure they finish with a big smile. 
>
> Tone is a critical issue. 
>
> My view is simple: life is too short. If you can't stay positive or at 
> least polite, it's time to put down the keyboard and take a break. We all 
> get enough guff in our everyday existence that we don't need to add to it 
> here. 
>
> As I've said before, disagreement is expected. There's no way we will all 
> come to the same conclusion about anything, and I think it would be a more 
> boring world if we did. But, here, under this roof, we agree to disagree 
> with respect for one another.
>
> To finish, I'll repeat what I said in the last full-length SOTLR (wow, 
> was it really 2010?) - it is important as we grow to honor the relatively 
> narrow focus of this group, even though it's tempting to have more general 
> topics discussed here. Clearly, it's a bit of an imperfect border, but one 
> which we've largely maintained.
>
> Letting discussions end as they creep toward more general topics, not 
> having to have the last comment (or needing to "win" the argument) and, 
> above all, maintaining the respect for one another 

Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Cyclofiend Jim]

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:18:06 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
> The non-Rivish post are like pornography, I know it when I see it. Or 
> something like that.


;^)  

Thanks mike!

Yeah, that's kinda the test. There are posts which never hit the list that 
land squarely in that genre.  Usually by a newer member asking about 
something how something they've seen on one of the various uber-discount 
sites compares to something on another site.   And those newer members are 
also very excited by RBW offerings, but don't yet have a feel for the 
topics we discuss.  Most of those people have become contributors to more 
on-topic threads.  

Last year, when Grant was set up at the Warming Hut down near the Golden 
Gate Bridge, chatting with folks about "Just Ride", an older guy who hadn't 
ridden in a while wandered over.  I think a friend had encouraged him to 
seek out the event.  He was excited by the book and the idea of just 
getting out there again.  His budget was around a grand for a new bike, and 
after chatting a bit about what he had ridden, Grant recommended a Surly, 
talked about getting bars up in a useful position and making sure he had 
large enough tires so that he didn't get beaten up.  There was no hard sell 
about Rivendell, and it took a bit of prompting by this person to get GP to 
talk about the bikes he designed.  He did talk about lugs, steel, what is 
behind his designs and a bit about the Riv philosophy.  It was classy.  

Certainly, most of us have a Run-What-You-Brung attitude, and that's a good 
thing.

- J / cyclofiend.com


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Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

It should be clear that this is a forum for those who enjoy some or all 
aspects of what Riv contributes to the world of cycling and cycling 
products. But the list isn't owned or controlled or managed in any direct 
way by Riv or Riv employees. If we're all being honest, some posts will 
contribute to Riv's sales, and some will detract from Riv's sales. If I 
want marketing for Riv products and opinions, I go to rivbike.com. If I 
want a discussion, including the occasional 2nd-hand sale, criticism, and 
even discussions of similar products of brands that RBW doesn't sell, then 
I come here.


On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:23:43 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> The Riv universe contains a large number of individuals who buy little or 
> nothing from Riv, but who trawl the used Riv and "Riv-ish" market for 
> deals. I'm ok with that. I've never thought the best or most honest goal of 
> this list is to cheerlead for Riv or to banish those who don't regularly 
> buy Riv products.
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:15:37 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, the prices at Rivendell are very reasonable, I just dont know if 
>> its Kosher for people to come here and say something like hey that Atlantis 
>> is nice but does someone make a similar bike for less money? Just like, not 
>> sure if I am off base here, but not sure if its cool or not if you are 
>> looking for like a Saddlesack to come here first looking for a deal on a 
>> used one before you see if Rivendell has one new. Again, I could be off on 
>> that one but would hate for people to only come here looking to undercut 
>> Rivendell by getting only used stuff. 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't seen anything remotely like gouging in Rivendell's prices. 
>>>  There may be a few items where a better discount can be found elsewhere, 
>>> but most of the stuff I want, anyway, Rivendell has a better price than 
>>> even Amazon.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:50:31 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking 
 for a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great 
 IMO, since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to 
 speak. 
 On the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like 
 Rivendell 
 for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As 
 for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see 
 someone has it  that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell 
 if 
 at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make 
 their margins-on these so called "accessories".  Just my 2 cents. 
  

 On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains 
> aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works. 
>
> Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.  
>
> Will
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little 
>> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" 
>> posts 
>> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle 
>> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum 
>> dedicated 
>> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, 
>> of 
>> course.
>>  
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}
>> gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> lyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting 
 excited about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where 
 they 
 have real winters, things are looking good.

 Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, 
 there seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not 
 related to the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's 
 a 
 problem, but given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards 
 entropy, 
 I thought it might be a good moment to articulate it.  

 This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
 members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As 
 I've written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more 
 than twice that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by 
 thanking 
 everyone who has continued to make this a positive and intere

Re: [RBW] Dutch Fender Light Question

[Eric Norris]

Put the light on, then use a Dremel with a cutting disk. 

–Eric N
Sent from my iPhone 5

On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Zack  wrote:

> Just picked up one of the dutch fender lights - 
> 
> When I went to install, realized that the screw is too long, it will rub the 
> tire if I screw the bolt all the way snug - anyone install one of these yet? 
> 
> Tips for how to shorten the bolt?  Am I doing something wrong?  Bolt seems 
> pretty long to me, I am guessing more people than just me would have the 
> problem.
> 
> Appreciate the help in advance!
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Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The Riv universe contains a large number of individuals who buy little or 
nothing from Riv, but who trawl the used Riv and "Riv-ish" market for 
deals. I'm ok with that. I've never thought the best or most honest goal of 
this list is to cheerlead for Riv or to banish those who don't regularly 
buy Riv products.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:15:37 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> Agreed, the prices at Rivendell are very reasonable, I just dont know if 
> its Kosher for people to come here and say something like hey that Atlantis 
> is nice but does someone make a similar bike for less money? Just like, not 
> sure if I am off base here, but not sure if its cool or not if you are 
> looking for like a Saddlesack to come here first looking for a deal on a 
> used one before you see if Rivendell has one new. Again, I could be off on 
> that one but would hate for people to only come here looking to undercut 
> Rivendell by getting only used stuff. 
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Ron Mc  >wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen anything remotely like gouging in Rivendell's prices. 
>>  There may be a few items where a better discount can be found elsewhere, 
>> but most of the stuff I want, anyway, Rivendell has a better price than 
>> even Amazon.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:50:31 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking 
>>> for a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great 
>>> IMO, since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to speak. 
>>> On the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like Rivendell 
>>> for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As 
>>> for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see 
>>> someone has it  that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell if 
>>> at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make 
>>> their margins-on these so called "accessories".  Just my 2 cents. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>>>
 Joe,

 I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains 
 aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works. 

 Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.  

 Will

 On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little 
> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts 
> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle 
> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum 
> dedicated 
> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, 
> of 
> course.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, 
> LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>
>> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> lyle
>>
>>
>> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting 
>>> excited about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they 
>>> have real winters, things are looking good.
>>>
>>> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, 
>>> there seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not 
>>> related to the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a 
>>> problem, but given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards 
>>> entropy, 
>>> I thought it might be a good moment to articulate it.  
>>>
>>> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
>>> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As 
>>> I've written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more 
>>> than twice that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking 
>>> everyone who has continued to make this a positive and interesting 
>>> discussion.  I especially thank those who have been regular in 
>>> sharing, answering  and hanging out here since we threw the doors 
>>> open.  
>>>
>>> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves 
>>> by what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't 
>>> think 
>>> that Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they 
>>> emphasize 
>>> the things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any 
>>> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just 
>>> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about 
>>> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about 
>>> either.
>>>
>>> And to say it very plainly, this list is about di

[RBW] Re: Dutch Fender Light Question

[Christopher Wiggins]

You can cut the bolt down, or use a presta valve nut as a spacer.  Haven't 
seen one in person, but I would bet it would do the trick.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:12:30 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote:
>
> Just picked up one of the dutch fender lights - 
>
> When I went to install, realized that the screw is too long, it will rub 
> the tire if I screw the bolt all the way snug - anyone install one of these 
> yet? 
>
> Tips for how to shorten the bolt?  Am I doing something wrong?  Bolt seems 
> pretty long to me, I am guessing more people than just me would have the 
> problem.
>
> Appreciate the help in advance!
>

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[RBW] FS: 700c Dynamo Wheelset, IQ Fly, Disc Compatible

[Scot Brooks]

Giving it another try. I really have to sell the wheelset this time since I 
just ordered a new non-dynamo set. Front wheel is a Salsa Delgado Cross 
with a Shimano DH-3D72 dynamo hub (32h), the rear wheel is a Sun Rhyno Lite 
with a Shimano SLX hub (36h). They're in great shape, albeit a little 
dirty. The light is a B&M IQ Fly N Plus (the kind with the stand light, but 
not the sensor). The rims are black, just to get that out of the way. Both 
the hubs are disc brake compatible if you have a frame that does that sort 
of thing. 

Anyway, here's what they look like on my bike . 
I'd even be open to making some sort of deal to include the Soma tires you 
see there as well. How about $250 or best offer? I'm in Seattle, but I 
could probably figure out a way to ship these if need be. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Rivendell Bleriot (Frame/Fork/Headset) and 650b Wheelset

[RodneyL]

I'm not in San Francisco but I can have my son-in-law pickup the the 
Bleriot Frame/Fork/Headset including the Front and Rear Wheels.
 
PayPall works for me.
Thank you,
Rodney Lee

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:08:42 AM UTC-7, Irv wrote: 

> Selling for a friend:
>
> - 55cm Rivendell Frame/Fork with a Tange Headset (Geometry 
> Link
> )
> - 650b Front Wheel, Shimano Deore Hub, Velocity Twin Hollow, Shimano 
> Skewer, picked up used from a Rivendell Garage Sale
> - 650b Rear Wheel, Velo Orange Grand Crux Hub, Velo Orange Diagonale Rim, 
> Velo Orange Skewer, purchased brand new from Velo 
> Orange
>
>  A word of note, this frame was involved in an automobile accident and 
> there was minor damage to the seatstay (offset by a few MM). 
> Rivendell inspected it and referred us to Cameron 
> Falconer who inspected 
> it and repaired it.
>
> Selling all of this for $500 picked up locally from San Francisco. Please 
> contact me off list if interested or if you have any questions.
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[RBW] Re: FS Spring cleaning parts

[Dave Redmon]

Phil--
 
   I have the Brooks B68 you're looking for in Honey Brown with 
black undercarriage. Three years old, maybe 500 miles, always stored 
indoors, treated regularly, better than new. Pix available if you want 'em.
 
Dave Redmon

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:27:19 PM UTC-5, Phillip Hathaway wrote:

> With the purchase of my new Bleriot I am selling the build parts from my 
> previous project. The frame will be available on the iBob and rcog lists.
> All of these parts are nearly new. Put on my abandoned Rawland project and 
> ridden for about 10 miles so some insertion/assembly marks but little wear. 
> I will add actual shipping to the listed price.
>
> Dia Compe #610 centerpull brake set $100
> Dia Compe 204 non aero levers with Gran Compe adjusters $25
> Shimano M324 platform/clipless pedals $25
> Shimano CX70 FD new in box $30
> Nitto Crystal Fellow 27.2 seat post $50
> Nitto Moustache 26.0mm bars $50
> Paul 1-1/8 front brake hanger $30
> Brooks B 17 standard in brown $65
>
> Pictures are available here   
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flipvelo/sets/72157633252659827/
> I'm interested in a trade for a B68 Brooks and a small trunksack for the 
> front of my new Bleriot. Contact off list is preferred.
>
> Thanks
> Phil
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Spring cleaning parts

[Phillip Hathaway]

B17, seat post and moustache bars are sold.


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Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Mike]

The non-Rivish post are like pornography, I know it when I see it. Or 
something like that.

--mike (who has been known to go off topic...)

>
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[RBW] WTB: 62 cm Rambouillet

[rw1911]

Will consider frame set or complete, any color.  Please reply offline with 
condition and price.  I also have a blue 60 cm for trade or will be for 
sale once I find a 62.

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[RBW] Dutch Fender Light Question

[Zack]

Just picked up one of the dutch fender lights - 

When I went to install, realized that the screw is too long, it will rub 
the tire if I screw the bolt all the way snug - anyone install one of these 
yet? 

Tips for how to shorten the bolt?  Am I doing something wrong?  Bolt seems 
pretty long to me, I am guessing more people than just me would have the 
problem.

Appreciate the help in advance!

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Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Ryan Ray]

Rivs are aspirational purchases for most and there seems to be room in the 
list for "Rivish." I doubt everyone who buys Riv products has a Riv frame. 
Even some people who work there don't have a Riv frame.

- Ryan




On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:02:59 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I think the "secondary market" aspect of this list is valuable, and I 
> don't see any problem recommending a TIG welded alternative to a Riv model, 
> since Grant has done the same in the Rivendell Reader. We're not 
> salespeople, we're just people. 
>
> My two cents.
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:15:37 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, the prices at Rivendell are very reasonable, I just dont know if 
>> its Kosher for people to come here and say something like hey that Atlantis 
>> is nice but does someone make a similar bike for less money? Just like, not 
>> sure if I am off base here, but not sure if its cool or not if you are 
>> looking for like a Saddlesack to come here first looking for a deal on a 
>> used one before you see if Rivendell has one new. Again, I could be off on 
>> that one but would hate for people to only come here looking to undercut 
>> Rivendell by getting only used stuff. 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't seen anything remotely like gouging in Rivendell's prices. 
>>>  There may be a few items where a better discount can be found elsewhere, 
>>> but most of the stuff I want, anyway, Rivendell has a better price than 
>>> even Amazon.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:50:31 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking 
 for a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great 
 IMO, since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to 
 speak. 
 On the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like 
 Rivendell 
 for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As 
 for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see 
 someone has it  that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell 
 if 
 at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make 
 their margins-on these so called "accessories".  Just my 2 cents. 
  

 On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains 
> aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works. 
>
> Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.  
>
> Will
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little 
>> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" 
>> posts 
>> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle 
>> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum 
>> dedicated 
>> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, 
>> of 
>> course.
>>  
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}
>> gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> lyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting 
 excited about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where 
 they 
 have real winters, things are looking good.

 Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, 
 there seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not 
 related to the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's 
 a 
 problem, but given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards 
 entropy, 
 I thought it might be a good moment to articulate it.  

 This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
 members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As 
 I've written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more 
 than twice that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by 
 thanking 
 everyone who has continued to make this a positive and interesting 
 discussion.  I especially thank those who have been regular in 
 sharing, answering  and hanging out here since we threw the doors 
 open.  

 One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves 
 by what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't 
 think 
 that Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing"

Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Philip Williamson]

I think the "secondary market" aspect of this list is valuable, and I don't 
see any problem recommending a TIG welded alternative to a Riv model, since 
Grant has done the same in the Rivendell Reader. We're not salespeople, 
we're just people. 

My two cents.
Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:15:37 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> Agreed, the prices at Rivendell are very reasonable, I just dont know if 
> its Kosher for people to come here and say something like hey that Atlantis 
> is nice but does someone make a similar bike for less money? Just like, not 
> sure if I am off base here, but not sure if its cool or not if you are 
> looking for like a Saddlesack to come here first looking for a deal on a 
> used one before you see if Rivendell has one new. Again, I could be off on 
> that one but would hate for people to only come here looking to undercut 
> Rivendell by getting only used stuff. 
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Ron Mc  >wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen anything remotely like gouging in Rivendell's prices. 
>>  There may be a few items where a better discount can be found elsewhere, 
>> but most of the stuff I want, anyway, Rivendell has a better price than 
>> even Amazon.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:50:31 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking 
>>> for a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great 
>>> IMO, since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to speak. 
>>> On the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like Rivendell 
>>> for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As 
>>> for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see 
>>> someone has it  that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell if 
>>> at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make 
>>> their margins-on these so called "accessories".  Just my 2 cents. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>>>
 Joe,

 I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains 
 aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works. 

 Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.  

 Will

 On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little 
> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts 
> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle 
> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum 
> dedicated 
> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, 
> of 
> course.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, 
> LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>
>> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> lyle
>>
>>
>> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting 
>>> excited about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they 
>>> have real winters, things are looking good.
>>>
>>> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, 
>>> there seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not 
>>> related to the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a 
>>> problem, but given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards 
>>> entropy, 
>>> I thought it might be a good moment to articulate it.  
>>>
>>> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
>>> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As 
>>> I've written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more 
>>> than twice that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking 
>>> everyone who has continued to make this a positive and interesting 
>>> discussion.  I especially thank those who have been regular in 
>>> sharing, answering  and hanging out here since we threw the doors 
>>> open.  
>>>
>>> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves 
>>> by what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't 
>>> think 
>>> that Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they 
>>> emphasize 
>>> the things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any 
>>> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just 
>>> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about 
>>> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about 
>>> either.
>>>
>>> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>>>
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[Will]

>
> I was able to submit my registration. I received my email to varify my 
> email address. But when I try to follow the link to verify my email I get 
> An Error Has Occurred message in English. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

[Ian A]

IMO: -

Dynamo hub wheelset will be an easier sell, due to the popularity of LED 
lights. As an example the Avenir lights on Amazon are a killer deal.  The 
tires probably have some life left.  Probably, a wheelset like this new 
would cost approx $400.00 (maybe a little more, but if you look at 
Handspun's prices for similar stuff (Mavic A319 etc). Rotor would cost  a 
few more bucks. The tires are worth something too.

On the local CL (no shipping on top), somewhere around $225?  That could be 
a pretty good deal for someone.  Probably worth more to just keep the 
wheels, considering what you must have invested in them.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:02:55 PM UTC-6, bertin753 wrote:
>
> Two questions: First, I want to sell the skinny wheelset for the Fargo: 
> Bike shop built Sun Rhyno Lite rims with 32 14 g spokes laced to (rear) 
> black SRAM 8//9/10 Shimano compatible disk cassette hub with Avid BB7 160 
> mm rotor (not bent!), no cassette; front ditto to Shimano DH 3DN72 set up 
> with Avid rotor as above using Problem Solver's converter (ie, from splined 
> to 6 bolt). Plus pair of moderately used Kevlar bead 35 mm Kojaks and two 
> pairs of 28-35 mm tubes. Wheels have no more than 1,200 miles on them as 
> they shared Fargo duty with the SnoCat wheelset.
>
> I see Rhyno Lite wheelsets on sale for as little as $150 (26"). What's a 
> fair price for this one?
>
> Second: I want a nice silver wheelset for the Ram. The ideal would have 
> sporty-ish rim like an Open Pro, rear 36 and front 32, 14/15 butted spokes, 
> hubs at least 105 level. Best would be a 7 speed wheelset that I could 
> respace to 132.5 But 32/32 or 36/36 and 7 or 8/9/10 are fine. 
>
> 2a. What are my options for similar rim/hub combos? I mean, what other 
> rims are comparable to the Open Pro? I want something sturdy, sub 500 gram, 
> silver, good reputation. I've used Sun rims like the M14A and the ME14A and 
> they are inexpensive, light, and apparently bullet proof. A semi aero 
> profile is fine. Would prefer something as wide as the Open Pro. As to 
> hubs, as long as they are at Hyperglide, the bearings are decent and they 
> are silver or, at least, not ugly, I'm not particular.
> 2b. What are the best sources for such wheels -- quality, customer 
> service, price, in that order?
> 2c. Does anyone have something like that to trade or sell?
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: The Jack Taylor Story

[Jan Heine]

Price includes shipping... so we'll just send it wherever you want it to go.

Jan Heine
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> Jan, can I order a copy of that issue and pick it up in Seattle? 

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Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Peter Morgano]

Agreed, the prices at Rivendell are very reasonable, I just dont know if
its Kosher for people to come here and say something like hey that Atlantis
is nice but does someone make a similar bike for less money? Just like, not
sure if I am off base here, but not sure if its cool or not if you are
looking for like a Saddlesack to come here first looking for a deal on a
used one before you see if Rivendell has one new. Again, I could be off on
that one but would hate for people to only come here looking to undercut
Rivendell by getting only used stuff.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> I haven't seen anything remotely like gouging in Rivendell's prices.
>  There may be a few items where a better discount can be found elsewhere,
> but most of the stuff I want, anyway, Rivendell has a better price than
> even Amazon.
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:50:31 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking
>> for a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great
>> IMO, since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to speak.
>> On the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like Rivendell
>> for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As
>> for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see
>> someone has it  that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell if
>> at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make
>> their margins-on these so called "accessories".  Just my 2 cents.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains
>>> aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works.
>>>
>>> Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little
 queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts
 show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle
 Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum dedicated
 to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, of
 course.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, 
 LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:

> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>
> Cheers!
>
> lyle
>
>
> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>
>> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting
>> excited about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they
>> have real winters, things are looking good.
>>
>> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding,
>> there seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not
>> related to the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a
>> problem, but given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards 
>> entropy,
>> I thought it might be a good moment to articulate it.
>>
>> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300
>> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As I've
>> written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more than twice
>> that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking
>> everyone who has continued to make this a positive and interesting
>> discussion.  I especially thank those who have been regular in
>> sharing, answering  and hanging out here since we threw the doors
>> open.
>>
>> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves
>> by what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't think
>> that Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they 
>> emphasize
>> the things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any
>> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just
>> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about
>> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about
>> either.
>>
>> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>>
>> I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a
>> public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have 
>> arrived,
>> everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the 
>> doors
>> means that "baggage" is left outside.  It takes the agreement of all to
>> make that work.
>> The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the
>> case. The quality of discussions remain high.
>>
>> The slight downside is that because of the level of 

Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Ron Mc]

I haven't seen anything remotely like gouging in Rivendell's prices.  There 
may be a few items where a better discount can be found elsewhere, but most 
of the stuff I want, anyway, Rivendell has a better price than even Amazon. 
 

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:50:31 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking 
> for a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great 
> IMO, since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to speak. 
> On the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like Rivendell 
> for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As 
> for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see 
> someone has it  that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell if 
> at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make 
> their margins-on these so called "accessories".  Just my 2 cents. 
>  
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains 
>> aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works. 
>>
>> Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.  
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little 
>>> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts 
>>> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle 
>>> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum dedicated 
>>> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, of 
>>> course.
>>>  
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>>>
 Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!

 Cheers!

 lyle


 On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting 
> excited about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they 
> have real winters, things are looking good.
>
> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, 
> there seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not 
> related to the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a 
> problem, but given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards 
> entropy, 
> I thought it might be a good moment to articulate it.  
>
> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As I've 
> written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more than twice 
> that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking everyone 
> who has continued to make this a positive and interesting discussion.  I 
> especially 
> thank those who have been regular in sharing, answering  and hanging 
> out here since we threw the doors open.  
>
> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves by 
> what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't think 
> that 
> Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they emphasize 
> the 
> things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any 
> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just 
> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about 
> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about 
> either.
>
> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>
> I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a 
> public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have 
> arrived, 
> everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the 
> doors 
> means that "baggage" is left outside.  It takes the agreement of all to 
> make that work.  
> The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the 
> case. The quality of discussions remain high.
>
> The slight downside is that because of the level of discourse, it 
> periodically 
> gets distracted.  That's a very natural condition - after all, when 
> you are with folks who have good ideas and thoughts, who manage to 
> state them clearly and in ways that are optimistic and 
> well-thought-through, 
> you want to seek their opinions on other topics as well.  
>
> The caution flag I'd like to raise is that the very narrowness of 
> this list is what gives rise to that high quality.  It's important to 
> remember that if you are tagging your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then it 
> doesn't belong on this list. General questions are best posted to 
>

Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Peter M]

I dont want to speak for Joe but what I would add is if you are looking for 
a used Rivendell bike because a new one is out of reach that is great IMO, 
since it is getting you on a Rivendell and into the fold, so to speak. On 
the other hand, if you are asking if someone makes a bike like Rivendell 
for 1k cheaper, maybe not so much, maybe google that one for yourself. As 
for gear, if it is sold out and you put out an apb on an item to see 
someone has it  that is fine but I try to get my gear new from Rivendell if 
at all possible since I think that is where most small businesses make 
their margins-on these so called "accessories".  Just my 2 cents. 
 

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains 
> aspirational. If they come here for ideas, it works. 
>
> Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.  
>
> Will
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little 
>> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts 
>> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle 
>> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum dedicated 
>> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, of 
>> course.
>>  
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>>
>>> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> lyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>>>
 As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting 
 excited about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they 
 have real winters, things are looking good.

 Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, there 
 seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not related 
 to 
 the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a problem, but 
 given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards entropy, I thought 
 it 
 might be a good moment to articulate it.  

 This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
 members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As I've 
 written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more than twice 
 that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking everyone 
 who has continued to make this a positive and interesting discussion.  I 
 especially 
 thank those who have been regular in sharing, answering  and hanging 
 out here since we threw the doors open.  

 One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves by 
 what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't think 
 that 
 Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they emphasize the 
 things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any 
 conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just 
 enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about 
 racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about 
 either.

 And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.

 I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a 
 public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have arrived, 
 everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the doors 
 means that "baggage" is left outside.  It takes the agreement of all to 
 make that work.  
 The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the 
 case. The quality of discussions remain high.

 The slight downside is that because of the level of discourse, it 
 periodically 
 gets distracted.  That's a very natural condition - after all, when 
 you are with folks who have good ideas and thoughts, who manage to 
 state them clearly and in ways that are optimistic and 
 well-thought-through, 
 you want to seek their opinions on other topics as well.  

 The caution flag I'd like to raise is that the very narrowness of this 
 list is what gives rise to that high quality.  It's important to 
 remember that if you are tagging your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then it 
 doesn't belong on this list. General questions are best posted to more 
 general lists.  

 Just by staying on topic, we're going to generate a fair amount of 
 traffic. One of the hallmarks of this list has been a very high signal to 
 noise ratio. It's solid information from the people using and thinking 
 about the items.

 And we've gotten to know one another pretty well, generated real, live 
 get-togethers among the members.  As the photos fro

[RBW] Re: Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[tdusky]

I hit submit and nothing happens


On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:03:49 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> http://www.brooksengland.com/
>  
> Brooks is putting out a new waterproof saddle.
> The Cambium.
> You can register to be a tester.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Rivendell Bleriot (Frame/Fork/Headset) and 650b Wheelset

[EGNolan]

>
> I wish I were in SF. Who wants to pick it up and ship it to me?
>  
>
Eric 
Indpls 

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Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[Ron Mc]

yes they're having a bandwidth problem.  I got into the form, but submit 
always ends up with an error message in Italian - I kind of like it.  

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:57:50 PM UTC-5, Andrew Letton wrote:
>
> Nevermind... it went through on the fourth try.
> cheers,
> Andrew
>
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> *From:* Andrew Letton >
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Sent:* Wed, April 17, 2013 10:52:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out
>
> I tried to register to be a tester and got the following error message:
>
> "Errore nel salvataggio dei dati
> System.Data.EntityException: The underlying provider failed on Open. ---> 
> MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Too many connections
>at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket()"
> [*snipped really long error message*]
> *
> Did anyone else succeed in registering?*
>
> thanks,
> Andrew
>
> --
> *From:* Michael >
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Sent:* Wed, April 17, 2013 10:03:53 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out
>
> http://www.brooksengland.com/
>  
> Brooks is putting out a new waterproof saddle.
> The Cambium.
> You can register to be a tester.
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[RBW] Re: trying again - drop on On-One Midge and Soma Road 1 bars?

[Ron Mc]

thanks, I'm taking the road parts that I swapped out on my old Raleigh 
rebuild and going to build up a such-a-deal Francesco Moser frame into a 
brew-pub racer.  Going for a modest drop position and so far, I'm looking 
at those two bars.  I like the shape of the Road 1 bars, and the 75mm reach 
and 130mm drop sounds like a nice compromise.  I'm going to use bar reach 
and stem length to get the upper bar position very close to what I like on 
my dialed-in moustache bars.  

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:59:03 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote:
>
> I was not home when you posted the question earliersorry for the delay.
>
> Looks like the on-one measurements got sorted for you. Good luck on the 
> Somas.
>

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[RBW] Re: trying again - drop on On-One Midge and Soma Road 1 bars?

[jinxed]

I was not home when you posted the question earliersorry for the delay.

Looks like the on-one measurements got sorted for you. Good luck on the 
Somas.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

[Leslie]

Patrick, 

Build 'em!   

-L


PS:  I need to make a correction to my original post.  I typed 'not', when 
I meant 'no';  unfortunately, that extra 't' changes the meaning.  Peter, 
Rich, Jim, Anthony, Joe, etc., can build 'great' wheels.  I had meant to 
type: "can build good, no, great wheels", but by saying "can build good not 
great wheels" seems to say they're okay, but not great.   *Not* what I 
meant.  

However, although they build great wheels, you can build a great wheel, 
too.   If someone doesn't want to build a wheel, by all means, call one of 
them, or find a local builder.   But if someone is inclined, they can 
handle it.   

-L



On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:38:59 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks. Y'all almost have me convinced. I have built one (1) wheel, a 
> fixed wheel with 36 spokes that presented absolutely no problem, thanks to 
> Sheldon's instructions; this was still true after I'd put ~2K miles on it, 
> many with heavy rear loads.
>
> We'll see. And thanks for the encouragement.
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Kelly  >wrote:
>
>> +2 for building your own.   It's not rocket science and the quality will 
>> be as good as it gets if you can follow directions.  :)
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:45:54 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>>  +1 for building your own.  I’m no mechanical genius, but I have now 
>>> built more than half a dozen wheelsets, and they’re all on the road and 
>>> doing fine, including a couple of wooden rim wheelsets, a Rohloff rear and 
>>> a couple of SON dynamo wheels.  It’s not that hard -- I just read through 
>>> Sheldon’s article on wheelbuilding first (here: http://sheldonbrown.com/
>>> **wheelbuild.html  ), and now 
>>> I keep it by my wheelbuilding stand as a security blanket.  Take your time, 
>>> be careful, and you’ll get a good result.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com [mailto:rbw-owne...@**
>>> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Leslie
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:54 AM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com
>>>
>>> *Cc:* internet-bob
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> For a rim, I would suggest considering Velocity's A23 rim:  
>>> http://www.velocityusa.com/**default.asp?contentID=746
>>>
>>> (I have them in 650b, and really like them, built my first wheelset on 
>>> those rims.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Thill, Rich Lesnik, Anthony at Longleaf, Peter White... all would 
>>> build you a good wheel set.. no, a *GREAT* wheel set.I have two 
>>> wheelsets that Rich built me before I started building my own, his are 
>>> perfect; Peter has a stellar reputation;  Anthony is who I got my 650b A23 
>>> rims from; and Jim is just an all-round great fella, can-do whatever it is 
>>> you need..   
>>>
>>> But you work at a shop now, right?  Just thinkin'  Build your own 
>>> wheelset?   I queued up numerous videos on youtube, read Jobst Brandt's 
>>> book, used my HoH wheels as a guide, and had at it...  they're functioning 
>>> very well for me.   I picked the hubs I wanted, picked the rims, picked the 
>>> spokes, and did it myself...   learned a lot, and can now tune up my 
>>> family's wheels as needed now
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Re: [RBW] trying again - drop on On-One Midge and Soma Road 1 bars?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Yes, I think On One's text description needs a bit of formatting to help 
it. Let's try this (I'm guessing):
Geometry:
Width at the ends -- 554mm - centre/centre 
Width of "flat section" or "tops" - 375mm 
Overall drop - 112mm centre/centre 
Sweep forward - 64.5mm centre/centre (from centre of bar clamp to centre of 
tube at the front)
Flare at ends - 113deg 
Finish - black anodised with lazer logos. 
ID at ends (for bar end shifter users) - 19.8mm 
Brake Lever clamp size on main bit of bar - 23.8 (road lever clamp 
standard) Stem Bar C. 
Material:- 6061 aluminium.

Weight 25.4mm 277gr  (White finish)

Weight 31.8mm 299gr  (White finish)



On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:43:04 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> My own personal hermeneutic of the ancient text below interprets it to 
> mean: 554 mm ends of hooks, 37.5 mm width of tops, 112 mm drop c-c .
>
> http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/HBOOMI/on_one_midge_handlebar
>
> "Dimensions and stuff:- Geometry:- Width at the ends -- 554mm - 
> centre/centre Width of "flat section" or "tops" - 375mm Overall drop - 
> 112mm centre/centre Sweep forward - 64.5mm centre/centre (from centre of 
> bar clamp to centre of tube at the front. Flare at ends - 113deg Finish - 
> black anodised with lazer logos. ID at ends (for bar end shifter users) - 
> 19.8mm Brake Lever clamp size on main bit of bar - 23.8 (road lever clamp 
> standard) Stem Bar C. Material:- 6061 aluminium."
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Ron Mc 
> > wrote:
>
>> Has anyone here ridden on Soma Road 1 bars, and what are your 
>> impressions?  Also, the published "overall drop" on Midge bars, 345mm, 
>> makes no sense whatsoever.  Can anyone measure the actual drop and reach on 
>> their midge bars?  Thanks.   
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Re: [RBW] trying again - drop on On-One Midge and Soma Road 1 bars?

[PATRICK MOORE]

My own personal hermeneutic of the ancient text below interprets it to
mean: 554 mm ends of hooks, 37.5 mm width of tops, 112 mm drop c-c .

http://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/HBOOMI/on_one_midge_handlebar

"Dimensions and stuff:- Geometry:- Width at the ends -- 554mm -
centre/centre Width of "flat section" or "tops" - 375mm Overall drop -
112mm centre/centre Sweep forward - 64.5mm centre/centre (from centre of
bar clamp to centre of tube at the front. Flare at ends - 113deg Finish -
black anodised with lazer logos. ID at ends (for bar end shifter users) -
19.8mm Brake Lever clamp size on main bit of bar - 23.8 (road lever clamp
standard) Stem Bar C. Material:- 6061 aluminium."



On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Has anyone here ridden on Soma Road 1 bars, and what are your impressions?
>  Also, the published "overall drop" on Midge bars, 345mm, makes no sense
> whatsoever.  Can anyone measure the actual drop and reach on their midge
> bars?  Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks. Y'all almost have me convinced. I have built one (1) wheel, a fixed
wheel with 36 spokes that presented absolutely no problem, thanks to
Sheldon's instructions; this was still true after I'd put ~2K miles on it,
many with heavy rear loads.

We'll see. And thanks for the encouragement.

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Kelly  wrote:

> +2 for building your own.   It's not rocket science and the quality will
> be as good as it gets if you can follow directions.  :)
>
> Kelly
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:45:54 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
>>  +1 for building your own.  I’m no mechanical genius, but I have now
>> built more than half a dozen wheelsets, and they’re all on the road and
>> doing fine, including a couple of wooden rim wheelsets, a Rohloff rear and
>> a couple of SON dynamo wheels.  It’s not that hard -- I just read through
>> Sheldon’s article on wheelbuilding first (here: http://sheldonbrown.com/*
>> *wheelbuild.html  ), and now I
>> keep it by my wheelbuilding stand as a security blanket.  Take your time,
>> be careful, and you’ll get a good result.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com [mailto:rbw-owne...@**
>> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Leslie
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:54 AM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com
>>
>> *Cc:* internet-bob
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram
>>
>>
>>
>> For a rim, I would suggest considering Velocity's A23 rim:
>> http://www.velocityusa.com/**default.asp?contentID=746
>>
>> (I have them in 650b, and really like them, built my first wheelset on
>> those rims.)
>>
>>
>> Jim Thill, Rich Lesnik, Anthony at Longleaf, Peter White... all would
>> build you a good wheel set.. not, a GREAT wheel set.I have two
>> wheelsets that Rich built me before I started building my own, his are
>> perfect; Peter has a stellar reputation;  Anthony is who I got my 650b A23
>> rims from; and Jim is just an all-round great fella, can-do whatever it is
>> you need..
>>
>> But you work at a shop now, right?  Just thinkin'  Build your own
>> wheelset?   I queued up numerous videos on youtube, read Jobst Brandt's
>> book, used my HoH wheels as a guide, and had at it...  they're functioning
>> very well for me.   I picked the hubs I wanted, picked the rims, picked the
>> spokes, and did it myself...   learned a lot, and can now tune up my
>> family's wheels as needed now
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[RBW] trying again - drop on On-One Midge and Soma Road 1 bars?

[Ron Mc]

Has anyone here ridden on Soma Road 1 bars, and what are your impressions? 
 Also, the published "overall drop" on Midge bars, 345mm, makes no sense 
whatsoever.  Can anyone measure the actual drop and reach on their midge 
bars?  Thanks.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

[Kelly]

+2 for building your own.   It's not rocket science and the quality will be 
as good as it gets if you can follow directions.  :)

Kelly

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:45:54 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
>  +1 for building your own.  I’m no mechanical genius, but I have now 
> built more than half a dozen wheelsets, and they’re all on the road and 
> doing fine, including a couple of wooden rim wheelsets, a Rohloff rear and 
> a couple of SON dynamo wheels.  It’s not that hard -- I just read through 
> Sheldon’s article on wheelbuilding first (here: 
> http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html ), and now I keep it by my 
> wheelbuilding stand as a security blanket.  Take your time, be careful, and 
> you’ll get a good result.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Leslie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:54 AM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Cc:* internet-bob
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram
>
>  
>
> For a rim, I would suggest considering Velocity's A23 rim:  
> http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=746
>
> (I have them in 650b, and really like them, built my first wheelset on 
> those rims.)
>
>
> Jim Thill, Rich Lesnik, Anthony at Longleaf, Peter White... all would 
> build you a good wheel set.. not, a GREAT wheel set.I have two 
> wheelsets that Rich built me before I started building my own, his are 
> perfect; Peter has a stellar reputation;  Anthony is who I got my 650b A23 
> rims from; and Jim is just an all-round great fella, can-do whatever it is 
> you need..   
>
> But you work at a shop now, right?  Just thinkin'  Build your own 
> wheelset?   I queued up numerous videos on youtube, read Jobst Brandt's 
> book, used my HoH wheels as a guide, and had at it...  they're functioning 
> very well for me.   I picked the hubs I wanted, picked the rims, picked the 
> spokes, and did it myself...   learned a lot, and can now tune up my 
> family's wheels as needed now
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[RBW] 58cm Bosco Bullmoose Extension

[Peter M]

I poked around the web and archives but couldnt get a 100% answer. What is 
the extension, ie reach-not quill length, on the 58CM Bullmoose Bosco 
Bars?  (Riv content 100%)

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[RBW] Re: Colorado Ramble?

[Deacon Patrick]

If you're ever out this way, Hugh, let me know. It's be great to figure 
something out.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:58:43 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Deacon, wish I was out you way and I'd be in.
>
> Best,
>
> Hugh
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:11:14 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Starting this in it's own thread from: 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/cLxPstsnm6M
>>
>> Duplicating my input:
>> What about a S24-48H meet up early summer on forest service roads and/or 
>> Great Divide Mountain Bike trail? I say this knowing I would be a highly 
>> dubious participant due to my brain injury (highly sensitive to soap, and 
>> laundry scents, sounds, and much more, any of which can end my ability to 
>> participate).
>>
>> Wherever it is, I am more likely to be able to join the more remote it 
>> is. Lost Creek Wilderness is a great possibility, particularly the area 
>> S/SE of Kenosha Pass, and that offers some great rides from Como to 
>> Breckenridge (I can't remember the pass at the moment). That could be a day 
>> ride. Once the snow clears.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
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Re: [RBW] FS Spring cleaning parts

[Tim Gavin]

Phil-

I'm interested in the Brooks B17 and the Moustache bar.  Shipping to 52404.
 They'd look awesome on my Riv Road.

Tim


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Phillip Hathaway  wrote:

> With the purchase of my new Bleriot I am selling the build parts from my
> previous project. The frame will be available on the iBob and rcog lists.
> All of these parts are nearly new. Put on my abandoned Rawland project and
> ridden for about 10 miles so some insertion/assembly marks but little wear.
> I will add actual shipping to the listed price.
>
> Dia Compe #610 centerpull brake set $100
> Dia Compe 204 non aero levers with Gran Compe adjusters $25
> Shimano M324 platform/clipless pedals $25
> Shimano CX70 FD new in box $30
> Nitto Crystal Fellow 27.2 seat post $50
> Nitto Moustache 26.0mm bars $50
> Paul 1-1/8 front brake hanger $30
> Brooks B 17 standard in brown $65
>
> Pictures are available here
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/flipvelo/sets/72157633252659827/
> I'm interested in a trade for a B68 Brooks and a small trunksack for the
> front of my new Bleriot. Contact off list is preferred.
>
> Thanks
> Phil
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[RBW] Re: Colorado Ramble?

[hsmitham]

Deacon, wish I was out you way and I'd be in.

Best,

Hugh

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:11:14 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Starting this in it's own thread from: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/cLxPstsnm6M
>
> Duplicating my input:
> What about a S24-48H meet up early summer on forest service roads and/or 
> Great Divide Mountain Bike trail? I say this knowing I would be a highly 
> dubious participant due to my brain injury (highly sensitive to soap, and 
> laundry scents, sounds, and much more, any of which can end my ability to 
> participate).
>
> Wherever it is, I am more likely to be able to join the more remote it is. 
> Lost Creek Wilderness is a great possibility, particularly the area S/SE of 
> Kenosha Pass, and that offers some great rides from Como to Breckenridge (I 
> can't remember the pass at the moment). That could be a day ride. Once the 
> snow clears.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
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Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[Andrew Letton]

Nevermind... it went through on the fourth try.
cheers,
Andrew





From: Andrew Letton 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 17, 2013 10:52:19 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out


I tried to register to be a tester and got the following error message:

"Errore nel salvataggio dei dati
System.Data.EntityException: The underlying provider failed on Open. ---> 
MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Too many connections
   at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket()"
[snipped really long error message]

Did anyone else succeed in registering?

thanks,
Andrew





From: Michael 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 17, 2013 10:03:53 AM
Subject: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out


http://www.brooksengland.com/
 
Brooks is putting out a new waterproof saddle.
The Cambium.
You can register to be a tester.
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Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[Dan McNamara]

I was able to register but have not received a confirmation email.




On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

>  Nope, same problem
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Letton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:52 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out
>
> ** **
>
> I tried to register to be a tester and got the following error message:
>
> "Errore nel salvataggio dei dati
> System.Data.EntityException: The underlying provider failed on Open. --->
> MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Too many connections
>at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket()"
> [*snipped really long error message*]
> *
> Did anyone else succeed in registering?*
>
> thanks,
> Andrew
>
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> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Wed, April 17, 2013 10:03:53 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out
>
> http://www.brooksengland.com/
>
>  
>
> Brooks is putting out a new waterproof saddle.
>
> The Cambium.
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> You can register to be a tester.
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RE: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Nope, same problem

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Letton
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:52 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

I tried to register to be a tester and got the following error message:

"Errore nel salvataggio dei dati
System.Data.EntityException: The underlying provider failed on Open. ---> 
MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Too many connections
   at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket()"
[snipped really long error message]

Did anyone else succeed in registering?

thanks,
Andrew


From: Michael mailto:john11.2...@gmail.com>>
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 17, 2013 10:03:53 AM
Subject: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out
http://www.brooksengland.com/

Brooks is putting out a new waterproof saddle.
The Cambium.
You can register to be a tester.
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Re: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[Andrew Letton]

I tried to register to be a tester and got the following error message:

"Errore nel salvataggio dei dati
System.Data.EntityException: The underlying provider failed on Open. ---> 
MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Too many connections
   at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket()"
[snipped really long error message]

Did anyone else succeed in registering?

thanks,
Andrew





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Sent: Wed, April 17, 2013 10:03:53 AM
Subject: [RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out


http://www.brooksengland.com/
 
Brooks is putting out a new waterproof saddle.
The Cambium.
You can register to be a tester.
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[RBW] Re: The last OT Post | Off Topic Group Recommendations

[hsmitham]

Ryan, Good suggestion. Perhaps you should start such a group.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:44:13 AM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
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> Is there a good group for general C & V? General Camping/Touring? 
> Mechanics?
>
> I thought maybe people could post groups they are a part of for OT posts.
>
> - Ryan
>
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[RBW] FS Spring cleaning parts

[Phillip Hathaway]

With the purchase of my new Bleriot I am selling the build parts from my 
previous project. The frame will be available on the iBob and rcog lists.
All of these parts are nearly new. Put on my abandoned Rawland project and 
ridden for about 10 miles so some insertion/assembly marks but little wear. 
I will add actual shipping to the listed price.

Dia Compe #610 centerpull brake set $100
Dia Compe 204 non aero levers with Gran Compe adjusters $25
Shimano M324 platform/clipless pedals $25
Shimano CX70 FD new in box $30
Nitto Crystal Fellow 27.2 seat post $50
Nitto Moustache 26.0mm bars $50
Paul 1-1/8 front brake hanger $30
Brooks B 17 standard in brown $65

Pictures are available here   
http://www.flickr.com/photos/flipvelo/sets/72157633252659827/
I'm interested in a trade for a B68 Brooks and a small trunksack for the 
front of my new Bleriot. Contact off list is preferred.

Thanks
Phil

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[RBW] The last OT Post | Off Topic Group Recommendations

[Ryan Ray]

Is there a good group for general C & V? General Camping/Touring? Mechanics?

I thought maybe people could post groups they are a part of for OT posts.

- Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Anyone gone to all upright bars - Albatross, Bosco, etc?

[Steven Frederick]

FWIW, the OnOne Mary does come in silver-it's the same bar or so similar
that I can't detect a difference.

http://shop.titusti.com/product-p/hbooma.htm

Apologies for the non-Riv content.

Steve


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark, when you took a spin on my Disc Trucker, you may have noticed the
> bar was a swept back design (a Fatback segmented Ti bar), although the
> sweep is modest compared to the Albatross or Bosco bars. I also use the
> Soma Clarence, which is similar, on two other bikes. I would urge you to
> consider the Clarence. Everybody seems to like it. Unfortunately it doesn't
> come in silver. Back and white only.
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[RBW] Understanding Silver Shifters video

[Michael]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drh4PHMQwKI
 
Anyone know where to get a replacement spring for that thing?

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist mistake delivers a new Bleriot.

[Deacon Patrick]

New thread started here for the Colorado Ramble:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/etzs7kTuz08

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:08:55 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> What about a S24-48H meet up early summer on forest service roads and/or 
> Great Divide Mountain Bike trail? I say this knowing I would be a highly 
> dubious participant due to my brain injury (highly sensitive to soap, and 
> laundry scents, sounds, and much more, any of which can end my ability to 
> participate).
>
> Wherever it is, I am more likely to be able to join the more remote it is. 
> Lost Creek Wilderness is a great possibility, particularly the area S/SE of 
> Kenosha Pass, and that offers some great rides from Como to Breckenridge (I 
> can't remember the pass at the moment). That could be a day ride. Once the 
> snow clears.
>
> Perhaps we should start it's own thread for the Colorado Meetup?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:40:28 AM UTC-6, Phillip Hathaway wrote:
>>
>> I've sometimes felt this way but then I began to encounter Rivs in the 
>> wild here in Boulder; a pair of his and hers Atlantii at an art event, a 
>> baker/accordian craftsman with a Hillborne and a local blogger with 
>> another, a Japanese Flute player with a Ram. I know there are a lot of 
>> people out there but I don't know how many are on the list. I'm sure our 
>> riding styles vary as much as Colorado's terrain too. Any suggestions on 
>> where we might gather?
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:50:52 PM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>>>
>>> NICE!! Dang...there are so many Riv owners posting from Colorado! I have 
>>> only seen one (suspected) Rivendell in the wild here in Denver 
>>> unfortunately.
>>>
>>> I wonder if there would be enough support/interest in doing a Rivendell 
>>> Rally Mile High edition?!
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Colorado Ramble?

[Deacon Patrick]

Starting this in it's own thread from: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/cLxPstsnm6M

Duplicating my input:
What about a S24-48H meet up early summer on forest service roads and/or Great 
Divide Mountain Bike trail? I say this knowing I would be a highly dubious 
participant due to my brain injury (highly sensitive to soap, and laundry 
scents, sounds, and much more, any of which can end my ability to participate).

Wherever it is, I am more likely to be able to join the more remote it is. Lost 
Creek Wilderness is a great possibility, particularly the area S/SE of Kenosha 
Pass, and that offers some great rides from Como to Breckenridge (I can't 
remember the pass at the moment). That could be a day ride. Once the snow 
clears.

With abandon,
Patrick

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www.OurHolyConception.org

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist mistake delivers a new Bleriot.

[Deacon Patrick]

What about a S24-48H meet up early summer on forest service roads and/or 
Great Divide Mountain Bike trail? I say this knowing I would be a highly 
dubious participant due to my brain injury (highly sensitive to soap, and 
laundry scents, sounds, and much more, any of which can end my ability to 
participate).

Wherever it is, I am more likely to be able to join the more remote it is. 
Lost Creek Wilderness is a great possibility, particularly the area S/SE of 
Kenosha Pass, and that offers some great rides from Como to Breckenridge (I 
can't remember the pass at the moment). That could be a day ride. Once the 
snow clears.

Perhaps we should start it's own thread for the Colorado Meetup?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:40:28 AM UTC-6, Phillip Hathaway wrote:
>
> I've sometimes felt this way but then I began to encounter Rivs in the 
> wild here in Boulder; a pair of his and hers Atlantii at an art event, a 
> baker/accordian craftsman with a Hillborne and a local blogger with 
> another, a Japanese Flute player with a Ram. I know there are a lot of 
> people out there but I don't know how many are on the list. I'm sure our 
> riding styles vary as much as Colorado's terrain too. Any suggestions on 
> where we might gather?
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:50:52 PM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> NICE!! Dang...there are so many Riv owners posting from Colorado! I have 
>> only seen one (suspected) Rivendell in the wild here in Denver 
>> unfortunately.
>>
>> I wonder if there would be enough support/interest in doing a Rivendell 
>> Rally Mile High edition?!
>>
>
>

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[RBW] Brook's new waterproof Cambium saddle coming out

[Michael]

http://www.brooksengland.com/
 
Brooks is putting out a new waterproof saddle.
The Cambium.
You can register to be a tester.

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

[Minh]

Ah.  I love joe, had him build me a set of wheels 10 years ago, and they are 
still true enough that I still have not had to adjust them. Great guy to deal 
with, was happy to see he was still building wheels. 

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist mistake delivers a new Bleriot.

[Phillip Hathaway]

I've sometimes felt this way but then I began to encounter Rivs in the wild 
here in Boulder; a pair of his and hers Atlantii at an art event, a 
baker/accordian craftsman with a Hillborne and a local blogger with 
another, a Japanese Flute player with a Ram. I know there are a lot of 
people out there but I don't know how many are on the list. I'm sure our 
riding styles vary as much as Colorado's terrain too. Any suggestions on 
where we might gather?

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 4:50:52 PM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>
> NICE!! Dang...there are so many Riv owners posting from Colorado! I have 
> only seen one (suspected) Rivendell in the wild here in Denver 
> unfortunately.
>
> I wonder if there would be enough support/interest in doing a Rivendell 
> Rally Mile High edition?!
>

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Re: [RBW] Manny in PDX ride... Sat 4/13

[Christopher Chen]

Smiles all around, and not a clean bike to be seen!

And here's a blatant endorsement for the SKS 
longboards: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8645949783/in/photostream/

Cheers

cc

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[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?

[Jeremy Till]

BMX cassette driver hubs don't have interchangeble cogs, the cog and the 
freehub body are one piece.  That allows them to run something like a 9t(!) 
rear cog on the microdrive setups currently popular with BMX'ers. 

The SunXCD 5spd, 120mm cassette hub first appeared on the radar about a 
year ago (just after the Taipei show?), but it seemed like it was only 
available in Asia.  Now it seems Merry Sales has set up a import deal with 
them, but the stuff hasn't appeared on US shores yet.  I'd expect it to 
appear sometime this year, keep an eye on the Soma/Merry blog or ask your 
local LBS with a Merry Sales account to keep an eye on the monthly flyers 
that Merry sends out.  

I want them to mate the 5spd cassette body to 130 or 135mm spaced hub, with 
appropriately wide and symmetric flanges.  Or maybe I'll try the cassette 
SS with many cogs thing one of these days.  Ira Ryan put 4 of 8 on a CK hub 
on his Oregon Manifest bike a couple of years ago: 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iraryancycles/6190450769/in/faves-85709120@N07/

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:43:34 PM UTC-7, Jay B wrote:
>
> you're right, Keith, the 130mm isn't a drastic move at all.  i have a 105 
> hub that slides right into the dropouts on the QB.  i'll look into those 
> Profile Racing 120mm hubs.  I know next to nothing about BMX specific 
> components.  
>
> -Jay B.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:16:17 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>
>> Given the fact that several people have successfully re-set the rear end 
>> of Simple Ones to utilize 135mm Rohloff hubs though, I think 130mm might 
>> not be too drastic of a modification, if someone were really set on the 
>> idea.
>>  
>> The other option might be to go *smalle*r - to a BMX 110 mm spacing.  A 
>> quick web search turns up at least one mfgr., Profile, has several single 
>> speed cassette hubs.  Looks like they even offer a 120mm upgrade too.   Not 
>> sure what the freehub interface looks like, though:
>>  
>> https://www.profileracing.com/estore/product.php?productId=110
>>  
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Will]

Joe,

I suspect for a lot of folks, Riv bikes and Riv stuff remains aspirational. 
If they come here for ideas, it works. 

Eventually, they will have the $$$ for the dream.  

Will

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:26:29 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little 
> queasy when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts 
> show up here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle 
> Lifestyle, but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum dedicated 
> to the Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, of 
> course.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>
>> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> lyle
>>
>>
>> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>>
>>> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting 
>>> excited about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they 
>>> have real winters, things are looking good.
>>>
>>> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, there 
>>> seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not related to 
>>> the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a problem, but 
>>> given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards entropy, I thought it 
>>> might be a good moment to articulate it.  
>>>
>>> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
>>> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As I've 
>>> written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more than twice 
>>> that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking everyone 
>>> who has continued to make this a positive and interesting discussion.  I 
>>> especially 
>>> thank those who have been regular in sharing, answering  and hanging 
>>> out here since we threw the doors open.  
>>>
>>> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves by 
>>> what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't think that 
>>> Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they emphasize the 
>>> things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any 
>>> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just 
>>> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about 
>>> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about 
>>> either.
>>>
>>> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>>>
>>> I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a 
>>> public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have arrived, 
>>> everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the doors 
>>> means that "baggage" is left outside.  It takes the agreement of all to 
>>> make that work.  
>>> The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the 
>>> case. The quality of discussions remain high.
>>>
>>> The slight downside is that because of the level of discourse, it 
>>> periodically 
>>> gets distracted.  That's a very natural condition - after all, when you 
>>> are with folks who have good ideas and thoughts, who manage to state 
>>> them clearly and in ways that are optimistic and well-thought-through, 
>>> you want to seek their opinions on other topics as well.  
>>>
>>> The caution flag I'd like to raise is that the very narrowness of this 
>>> list is what gives rise to that high quality.  It's important to 
>>> remember that if you are tagging your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then it 
>>> doesn't belong on this list. General questions are best posted to more 
>>> general lists.  
>>>
>>> Just by staying on topic, we're going to generate a fair amount of 
>>> traffic. One of the hallmarks of this list has been a very high signal to 
>>> noise ratio. It's solid information from the people using and thinking 
>>> about the items.
>>>
>>> And we've gotten to know one another pretty well, generated real, live 
>>> get-togethers among the members.  As the photos from recent regional 
>>> rides, there's a lot to cover just within the stated topic of this 
>>> group. All good stuff.  No... GREAT stuff.  Take a new friend riding 
>>> this month, and make sure they finish with a big smile. 
>>>  
>>> Tone is a critical issue. 
>>>
>>> My view is simple: life is too short. If you can't stay positive or at 
>>> least polite, it's time to put down the keyboard and take a break. We all 
>>> get enough guff in our everyday existence that we don't need to add to it 
>>> here. 
>>>
>>> As I've said before, disagreement is expected. There's no way we will 
>>> all come to the same conclusion about anything, and I think it would be a 
>>> more boring world if we did. But, here, under this roof, we agree to 
>>> disagree with respect for one another.
>>>
>>> To finish, I'll repeat what I said in the last full-

Re: [RBW] Re: Rear rack advice/suggestions

[Peter Morgano]

I like Nitto racks since I dont have to think too hard about them. They are
beautiful, well made and way under rated load wise. I have used a variety
of other racks and nothing is like my Nittos.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Mike Schiller
wrote:

> In my experience the Nitto racks are stronger and better made than the
> Tubus racks  even though their self described limits are similar. I've had
> one rack, a Tubus Vega that broke at a weld joint as I was gently
> stretching it to fit on a tandem hub.  Nitto's are bombproof and
> beautifully made.
>
> ~mike
>
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2013 6:35:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> > I also have a black Tubus Cargo... the silver one Rene is selling. It's
>> not as "nice" (finish) or "beefy" (size & robust construction) as > the
>> Nitto, but it's a great rack.
>>
>> The Nitto is beefy but not necessarily more robust than the Tubus.  The
>> Tubus Cargo is an excellent design that uses proven structural features to
>> ensure strength.  Likewise Bruce Gordon's racks.  The Nitto is more about
>> being big - but certainly lovely to look at nonetheless.
>
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[RBW] Re: The Jack Taylor Story

[Scot Brooks]

Jan, can I order a copy of that issue and pick it up in Seattle? 

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[RBW] Re: OT: Thoughts on this Fixie?

[Jeremy Till]

My wife has a Miele road bike from the same era and likes it a lot.  The 
frame is nice, columbus tubing and has nicely shaped and thinned lugs, 
definitely not cheap looking.  She said she couldn't imagine anything more 
comfortable, that is until we built her a Heron touring bike with upright 
bars :-).  

With the road models like this one, tire and fender clearance is definitely 
going to be an issue.  My wife's is definitely built in the late 80's/early 
90's road bike modality, with clearance maybe for a 28mm tire under 
short-reach brakes.  No fenders.  It might be an ideal candidate for 650b 
conversion, however.  

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:52:02 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm intrigued by the idea of a fixie and then this pops up at a price I 
> can afford. It would be for local flatter routes (800 feet elevation over 4 
> miles) and fun rides, mostly to come to understand the fixtie experience. 
> Would this be $100 lost? Is a Miele frame quality enough to be good at 
> 15-20+ years old? I've written the owner asking about clearance for larger 
> tires and condition/age of the frame. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Rear rack advice/suggestions

[Mike Schiller]

In my experience the Nitto racks are stronger and better made than the 
Tubus racks  even though their self described limits are similar. I've had 
one rack, a Tubus Vega that broke at a weld joint as I was gently 
stretching it to fit on a tandem hub.  Nitto's are bombproof and 
beautifully made.

~mike 

On Monday, April 15, 2013 6:35:23 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > I also have a black Tubus Cargo... the silver one Rene is selling. It's 
> not as "nice" (finish) or "beefy" (size & robust construction) as > the 
> Nitto, but it's a great rack. 
>
> The Nitto is beefy but not necessarily more robust than the Tubus.  The 
> Tubus Cargo is an excellent design that uses proven structural features to 
> ensure strength.  Likewise Bruce Gordon's racks.  The Nitto is more about 
> being big - but certainly lovely to look at nonetheless.

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Re: [RBW] A Mini-State O' The List Report - Topic Drift and a Note on Tone

[Joe Bernard]

Jim can alert me if this doesn't qualify, but I always feel a little queasy 
when "where can I get Riv-type stuff, but, ya know, cheaper" posts show up 
here. The question is fine on general lists like iBob or Bicycle Lifestyle, 
but seems kinda in violation of the spirit of a forum dedicated to the 
Rivendell bicycle, and the associated bits they sell. My opinion, of course.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:12:16 AM UTC-7, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com 
wrote:

> Nicely stated, and thanks for all the work you do!
>
> Cheers!
>
> lyle
>
>
> On 17 April 2013 02:08, Cyclofiend Jim 
> > wrote:
>
>> As we make our way out of the winter, I know every one is getting excited 
>> about spring riding.  Even in the parts of the world where they have real 
>> winters, things are looking good.
>>
>> Over the past few weeks, mostly related to enthusiasm for riding, there 
>> seems to have been a steady increase in the amount of topics not related to 
>> the focus of this group.  It's not to the point where it's a problem, but 
>> given the size of this bunch and the tendency towards entropy, I thought it 
>> might be a good moment to articulate it.  
>>
>> This group has continued to grow steadily. We're now north of 2,300 
>> members and last month there were in excess of 2,000 posts.  As I've 
>> written before, 1,000 members was a big milestone, and more than twice 
>> that is a bit mind-boggling. So, I have to start by thanking everyone 
>> who has continued to make this a positive and interesting discussion.  I 
>> especially 
>> thank those who have been regular in sharing, answering  and hanging out 
>> here since we threw the doors open.  
>>
>> One of the basic underpinnings of this group is to define ourselves by 
>> what we are, rather than what we are not. As an example, I don't think that 
>> Rivendell has ever said they are "anti-racing". Rather, they emphasize the 
>> things they enjoy - riding bicycles where ever they can under any 
>> conditions, camping under the stars, being comfortable - in short, just 
>> enjoying the ride. That way, you don't have to have an argument about 
>> racing vs. comfort. You can have a discussion about what is great about 
>> either.
>>
>> And to say it very plainly, this list is about discussion.
>>
>> I've mentioned before one of the ways I think about this list - as a 
>> public house where ideas are easily shared between those who have arrived, 
>> everyone is present because they want to be, and passing through the doors 
>> means that "baggage" is left outside.  It takes the agreement of all to 
>> make that work.  
>> The wonderful thing is that by and large, that continues to be the case. 
>> The quality of discussions remain high.
>>
>> The slight downside is that because of the level of discourse, it 
>> periodically 
>> gets distracted.  That's a very natural condition - after all, when you 
>> are with folks who have good ideas and thoughts, who manage to state 
>> them clearly and in ways that are optimistic and well-thought-through, 
>> you want to seek their opinions on other topics as well.  
>>
>> The caution flag I'd like to raise is that the very narrowness of this 
>> list is what gives rise to that high quality.  It's important to 
>> remember that if you are tagging your post "OT" or "Off Topic", then it 
>> doesn't belong on this list. General questions are best posted to more 
>> general lists.  
>>
>> Just by staying on topic, we're going to generate a fair amount of 
>> traffic. One of the hallmarks of this list has been a very high signal to 
>> noise ratio. It's solid information from the people using and thinking 
>> about the items.
>>
>> And we've gotten to know one another pretty well, generated real, live 
>> get-togethers among the members.  As the photos from recent regional 
>> rides, there's a lot to cover just within the stated topic of this group.All 
>> good stuff.  No... GREAT stuff.  Take a new friend riding this month, 
>> and make sure they finish with a big smile. 
>>  
>> Tone is a critical issue. 
>>
>> My view is simple: life is too short. If you can't stay positive or at 
>> least polite, it's time to put down the keyboard and take a break. We all 
>> get enough guff in our everyday existence that we don't need to add to it 
>> here. 
>>
>> As I've said before, disagreement is expected. There's no way we will all 
>> come to the same conclusion about anything, and I think it would be a more 
>> boring world if we did. But, here, under this roof, we agree to disagree 
>> with respect for one another.
>>
>> To finish, I'll repeat what I said in the last full-length SOTLR (wow, 
>> was it really 2010?) - it is important as we grow to honor the 
>> relatively narrow focus of this group, even though it's tempting to have 
>> more general topics discussed here. Clearly, it's a bit of an imperfect 
>> border, but one which we've largely maintained.
>>
>> Letting discussions end as they creep toward more general

[RBW] The Jack Taylor Story

[Jan Heine]

Today's blog post is about the story of the Taylor brothers, famous for 
their wonderful touring bikes and tandems, with wonderfully evocative 
photos of men and machines in post-war Britain.

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/the-jack-taylor-story/

Enjoy!

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

[Garth]

My advice,

Buy the best , buy it once !

I have hired Joe Young (youngwheels.com)to build 2 sets of Mavic/Phil Wood 
wheels for me, absolutely perfectly true/round wheels that have stayed that 
way, like any true professionally built wheels should !  He "used" to build 
wheels for Riv back in the day.  Unless you are really really good , or 
like messing(truing) with wheels, have a Dedicated Professional build you a 
set, and they will last a long time. 

Cartridge bearing hubs only from my perspective.  No maintenance required.  
If you like messing with hubs, get some Shimano. Otherwise Phil,DT or White 
hubs.  The hubs from VO "look" nice, but if you need a new freehub or 
something, whatcha do ?  No thanks !  The name-brands like Phil will at 
least help. 

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RE: [RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

+1 for building your own.  I'm no mechanical genius, but I have now built more 
than half a dozen wheelsets, and they're all on the road and doing fine, 
including a couple of wooden rim wheelsets, a Rohloff rear and a couple of SON 
dynamo wheels.  It's not that hard -- I just read through Sheldon's article on 
wheelbuilding first (here: http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html ), and now I 
keep it by my wheelbuilding stand as a security blanket.  Take your time, be 
careful, and you'll get a good result.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leslie
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:54 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Cc: internet-bob
Subject: [RBW] Re: Wheelset for Ram

For a rim, I would suggest considering Velocity's A23 rim:  
http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=746

(I have them in 650b, and really like them, built my first wheelset on those 
rims.)


Jim Thill, Rich Lesnik, Anthony at Longleaf, Peter White... all would build you 
a good wheel set.. not, a GREAT wheel set.I have two wheelsets that Rich 
built me before I started building my own, his are perfect; Peter has a stellar 
reputation;  Anthony is who I got my 650b A23 rims from; and Jim is just an 
all-round great fella, can-do whatever it is you need..

But you work at a shop now, right?  Just thinkin'  Build your own wheelset? 
  I queued up numerous videos on youtube, read Jobst Brandt's book, used my HoH 
wheels as a guide, and had at it...  they're functioning very well for me.   I 
picked the hubs I wanted, picked the rims, picked the spokes, and did it 
myself...   learned a lot, and can now tune up my family's wheels as needed 
now

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