[RBW] Re: FS Carradice, Nitto etc.

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Handlebar bag is sold pending payment.


On Friday, July 19, 2013 9:17:52 AM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I will be in the US next week, so I'm taking this opportunity to clean out 
> my parts bin.
>
> On offer:
>
> Nitto Technomic stem, 8 cm extension, purchased used on this list, $40 
> shipped
>
> Carradice CarryDry handlebar bar, 9 liters, waterproof, comes with 
> klickfix adaptor, detachable map holder and light bracket. Light bracket 
> has limited clearance which didn't work for me. I've used it a couple of 
> times but not enough to justify keeping it. I would say excellent used 
> condition. Yours for $50 shipped. 
>
> http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=type&product_id=54
>
> Pasela Tourgaurds, 32mm, used for maybe 500 miles until I upgraded to 
> Supremes, a little dirty, no visible wear on the front, a bit on the rear , 
> $25 shipped for the pair
>
> Tektro RL520 Ergo Brake Levers for Linear Pull Black/Silver, the ones that 
> let you use v-brakes with your road bars. Used for 2 years with the Noodles 
> I just sold. $10 shipped or free with any other purchase. 
>
> Pictures on request. Whatever sells by Wednesday will come with me in my 
> suitcase and get mailed on Friday. 
>
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Re: Phone mount

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I usually get that kind of thing from deal extreme. The phone mount I got 
from them works fine. Cost about $5 shipped to Israel. Took a while to 
arrive but no other issues.
I thought about using it for GPS but my phone battery runs down too quickly 
for that to be practical and I'm not interested in a dynohub at the moment.

Jay

On Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:01:11 AM UTC+3, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yes, I know I should be a purist and stay off my phone while riding, but 
> that's not what happens. I send/receive texts, and occasionally tweet a 
> picture along the way (you'd be surprised how much folks enjoy coming along 
> for a bike ride via Twitter). I do a lot of stop/start to fish my Android 
> out of my Baggins Candybar bag, and I'm thinking a proper phone mount on 
> the bars would be nice. Anybody know of good ones that'll hold an HTC EVO 
> 4LTE?
>  
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivendells 68cm - three of them sort of

[Tom Harrop]

Kelly,

Not sure if you're a subscriber but someone recenty posted over on the Large 
Bicycles groups that they're looking for a 68 cm 'touring' frame...

Good luck with the sale (or not, if you secretly want to keep them),

Tom

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[RBW] Uncommon recomendation

[Steven Frederick]

Not something I do often, especially in this group, but I'd like to
recommend Riv'ers pick up the Tour de France issue of Bicycling magazine.
Good article about the joys of going slow by a Grant fan, quotes him, even
has a brief interview.  And it drives home how injurious going hard all the
time can be.

I can identify with the author because I also spent my early years as a
club cyclist trying to hang with the fast guys and ended up with strained
tendons, knee issues, etc.   Grant's philosophy helped me move away from
that style of riding, though I'm still sometimes more aggressive on the
bike than my fitness warrants.  And it still hurts me...

Steve

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[RBW] Re: STP 2013

[Frank]

>
> Oiks, I forgot to mention Andy S. on his beutiful 1994 red Riv custom; had 
> a good chat with Andy as well and was glad to catch up.
>
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Re: [RBW] Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[Ron Mc]

the advantages of leaving them on are (list)  
the disadvantages?  I can't think of any.  

On Friday, July 19, 2013 1:27:08 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>
> I leave em on all year. Keeps the bike clean. You will probably hit wet 
> roads at some point this time of year. 
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Michael Williams 
> > 
> wrote:
>
> Hey group,   just wanted to ask some of the Pacific NWers on the list if 
> it is necessary to have fenders for a tour from roughly Aug 1st to Sep 
> 1st?I'll be riding the ACA Sierra/Cascades route from Truckee, CA to 
> Seattle,  then onto the San Juan Islands hopefully.Im not really 
> familiar with the weather in those areas.  If it was winter/fall/spring,   
> sure Id be going with fenders.   Just wanted to know about Summer weather 
> patterns.thanks in advance!!   -Mike 
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[RBW] RAGBRAI

[Linkbeak]

If you're doing RAGBRAI, look for me on my bright blue Ram loaded with red 
panniers.  Hey, it's a 1 in 10,000 shot.

This will be my second loaded, multi-day tour with the Ram.  I am impressed at 
how well she handles with a load, even if that isn't her purpose in life.

Joyce

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[RBW] WTT: Nitto B132 Grand Randonneur 44cm for Nitto Mustache

[ColonelJLloyd]

I have a new Nitto B132 Grand Rando bar I'd like to trade for a Nitto 
Mustache bar (25.4 or 26.0). I have plenty of rando bars (my favorite) 
including another B132. 

B132 specs:


   - Silver Finish
   - Beautiful Nitto sleeve engravings
   - No grooves
   - 44cm width c-c
   - 122 Reach
   - 110 Drop
   - 25.4mm clamp


Please contact me off-list. 

Best,
Justin

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Re: [RBW] RAGBRAI

[Tim Gavin]

I'll be riding Thurs, Fri, and Sat of RAGBRAI (my first time).  I'll be on
my bright red Riv Road with light blue wrapped moustache bars and 650B
Lierre's.

I have a black Topeak trunk pack, but I won't be loading it too heavily.
 I'm gonna let the sag wagon carry my duffel.

Tim


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Linkbeak  wrote:

> If you're doing RAGBRAI, look for me on my bright blue Ram loaded with red
> panniers.  Hey, it's a 1 in 10,000 shot.
>
> This will be my second loaded, multi-day tour with the Ram.  I am
> impressed at how well she handles with a load, even if that isn't her
> purpose in life.
>
> Joyce
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[RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

[Neil Prendergast]

One point to add to all the great stuff above: flexibility matters. There 
are some good suggestions for stretching in Just Ride. 

I had a heck of a time on my first century with my lower back, just because 
I probably did not have enough flexibility in my legs. I was smart enough 
to have my handlebars at saddle height, but not smart enough to know that 
comfort was more than that. Fortunately, that ride led me into yoga. Now 
I'm much more comfortable, pretty much for all day in the saddle. 

If I were "training" for that first century again, I would start doing 
stretches that would open the hips, loosen the hamstrings, stretch the IT 
band, and lengthen the groin muscles. Your lower back in mile 80 will thank 
you. When I ride anything over 50ish miles, I usually spend about ten or 
fifteen minutes somewhere stretching. I feel as refreshed from that as I do 
from ice water and real food. Forward folds and pigeons are pretty good 
stretches.

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Re: [RBW] Century ride training for the un-racer?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Michael,

Well, if you want to ride longer distances, then you have to put in either
time or intensity.

I think the Unracer way of doing it would be to take longer and longer
rides working up to a 50-miler. The short on time method would be to take
your 10 mile commute and pump up the intensity and get your heart rate up.
There have been studies showing that 30-minutes of intense training was
worth 2 hours of endurance training, but that's probably getting off-track
of where you want to go.

--There is a very important strategy I use for the doubling your longest
distance strategy (50-mile longest for the 100-mile event).

I find my "go forever" pace. You are spinning comfortably and your body
feels like you can do it forever. Stick to that pace no matter what.

When you start the ride, people's adrenalin is flowing and even the unracer
can get caught up in the excitement and the next thing you know, you are
going too fast and are getting tired 25 miles into the ride.

Start the ride in your own bubble and find that internal pace where you are
comfortable and feel like you can maintain forever.  That forever pace is
going to slow down as your ride continues, but stick with it and you'll
finish...

Good luck!
Toshi

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[RBW] Uncommon recomendation

[Kellie Stapleton]

Even though I'm an evolving "unracer," I LOVE watching the Tour de France!  

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Re: [RBW] Uncommon recomendation

[David Hays]

I do too. I find myself enjoying the race as much as the scenery.
Almost.


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Re: [RBW] Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[Mike Williams]

Well,   I shouldve stated that I have 55 Big Bens on my Atlantis.   I dont 
think i could squeeze those under fenders.   The disadvantage would be cost of 
new tires+ fenders

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> the advantages of leaving them on are (list)  
> the disadvantages?  I can't think of any.  
> 
> On Friday, July 19, 2013 1:27:08 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>> 
>> I leave em on all year. Keeps the bike clean. You will probably hit wet 
>> roads at some point this time of year. 
>> 
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>> 
>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Michael Williams  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey group,   just wanted to ask some of the Pacific NWers on the list if it 
>>> is necessary to have fenders for a tour from roughly Aug 1st to Sep 1st?
>>> I'll be riding the ACA Sierra/Cascades route from Truckee, CA to Seattle,  
>>> then onto the San Juan Islands hopefully.Im not really familiar with 
>>> the weather in those areas.  If it was winter/fall/spring,   sure Id be 
>>> going with fenders.   Just wanted to know about Summer weather patterns.
>>> thanks in advance!!   -Mike
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Re: [RBW] Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[Ron Mc]

you found the one.  Then pack a poncho and a throw-away skunk-stripe shirt

On Friday, July 19, 2013 11:05:25 AM UTC-5, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Well,   I shouldve stated that I have 55 Big Bens on my Atlantis.   I dont 
> think i could squeeze those under fenders.   The disadvantage would be cost 
> of new tires+ fenders
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Ron Mc > 
> wrote:
>
> the advantages of leaving them on are (list)  
> the disadvantages?  I can't think of any.  
>
> On Friday, July 19, 2013 1:27:08 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I leave em on all year. Keeps the bike clean. You will probably hit wet 
>> roads at some point this time of year. 
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Michael Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey group,   just wanted to ask some of the Pacific NWers on the list if 
>> it is necessary to have fenders for a tour from roughly Aug 1st to Sep 
>> 1st?I'll be riding the ACA Sierra/Cascades route from Truckee, CA to 
>> Seattle,  then onto the San Juan Islands hopefully.Im not really 
>> familiar with the weather in those areas.  If it was winter/fall/spring,   
>> sure Id be going with fenders.   Just wanted to know about Summer weather 
>> patterns.thanks in advance!!   -Mike 
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[RBW] Brand V Grabsack Price Reduced

[Eric Norris]

How about $55 shipped in the USA?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/9297318690/

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Re: [RBW] Uncommon recomendation

[cyclotourist]

+ Phil & Paul.

On 7/19/13, David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do too. I find myself enjoying the race as much as the scenery.
> Almost.
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Kellie Stapleton 
> wrote:
>
>> Even though I'm an evolving "unracer," I LOVE watching the Tour de France!
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Handlebar Bag, any color

[Ryan Ray]

No sellers! I guess I'll have to wait for the next run to be completed. I 
just signed up for the notification.

Wish Riv or someone else would copy or improve upon that design. It really 
is great.

Anyone know of a similar design?

- Ryan




On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:21:17 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I bought one of these off the list last year and just need one on my other 
> bike. I don't care what color it is. Other than major holes or missing 
> straps I'd consider all other wear beausage. Contact off list please.
>
> p.s. I would consider the tube bag as well I guess if it fits a mini 
> u-lock.
>
> http://www.acornbags.com/hdlbarbag.html
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[RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

[pb]

On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:15:27 AM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>
> I recall Hotter'n Hell Hundreds that I rode back in the mid-90's. more 
> serious heat related issues.
>
 
My strategy for the HTH is to start at 5:00a.m., and finish by 10:30 or 
11:00.
 
:-)
 
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[RBW] FS: Wheelset White Industries T11 hubs on A23 rims

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

For sale, Wheelset: White Industries T11 hubs (both 32h) on 700C A23 rims 
with butted spokes. All silver. Nearly new condition, approximately 200 
road miles.

$595 shipped CONUS or $565 if you pick up in Minneapolis.

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[RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

[pb]

 On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:39:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

> Was wondering what you all recommend for training for a century
>
 
Lots of different suggestions here, not all consistent with each other, so 
I'll throw in my two cents.
 
In my own, personal experience, long rides are more mental than physical.  
If your brain is confident that you can handle the ride, your legs will 
usually obey.  Usually.  
 
If you are under 35, reasonably fit and active, and riding at least short 
rides (let's call 25-ish a short ride) regularly, you can probably bang out 
a hunny.  When I was young and fit, I generally kept a tradition of 
starting the season with a hundred mile ride, first time on the bike.  On 
the other hand, if you're 55, flying a desk, and not riding much, well, it 
may be more of a challenge.
 
What's your current idea of a long ride?  You've got all the way until 
October...  build your "trainng rides" (hey, old habits die hard) until 
you're rolling at least 50, at least once a week, with other rides 
scattered through the week.  Or maybe just do random rides here and there, 
and enjoy the adventure of not knowing -- if you finish, that'll actually 
make a better story.
 
pb  
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Handlebar Bag, any color

[Steven Frederick]

Riv's Hobo bag wasn't too different-perhaps a bit shallower front to back
and taller.  Wonder if they might make them again in one form or another?
I'm waiting on the next production run of Acorn bags, too.  They make great
stuff.

Steve


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> No sellers! I guess I'll have to wait for the next run to be completed. I
> just signed up for the notification.
>
> Wish Riv or someone else would copy or improve upon that design. It really
> is great.
>
> Anyone know of a similar design?
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:21:17 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> I bought one of these off the list last year and just need one on my
>> other bike. I don't care what color it is. Other than major holes or
>> missing straps I'd consider all other wear beausage. Contact off list
>> please.
>>
>> p.s. I would consider the tube bag as well I guess if it fits a mini
>> u-lock.
>>
>> http://www.acornbags.com/**hdlbarbag.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTT/S: Paul Centerpulls for Tektro R559 sidepulls

[Michael]

>
> Brakes and accessories are sold. Thanks.
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS Carradice, Nitto etc.

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Seems new Nitto stems are now going for $45 shipped. A lot less than I paid.
How about $30 shipped for mine? 

Jay


On Friday, July 19, 2013 11:36:27 AM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Handlebar bag is sold pending payment.
>
>
> On Friday, July 19, 2013 9:17:52 AM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> I will be in the US next week, so I'm taking this opportunity to clean 
>> out my parts bin.
>>
>> On offer:
>>
>> Nitto Technomic stem, 8 cm extension, purchased used on this list, $40 
>> shipped
>>
>> Carradice CarryDry handlebar bar, 9 liters, waterproof, comes with 
>> klickfix adaptor, detachable map holder and light bracket. Light bracket 
>> has limited clearance which didn't work for me. I've used it a couple of 
>> times but not enough to justify keeping it. I would say excellent used 
>> condition. Yours for $50 shipped. 
>>
>> http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=type&product_id=54
>>
>> Pasela Tourgaurds, 32mm, used for maybe 500 miles until I upgraded to 
>> Supremes, a little dirty, no visible wear on the front, a bit on the rear , 
>> $25 shipped for the pair
>>
>> Tektro RL520 Ergo Brake Levers for Linear Pull Black/Silver, the ones 
>> that let you use v-brakes with your road bars. Used for 2 years with the 
>> Noodles I just sold. $10 shipped or free with any other purchase. 
>>
>> Pictures on request. Whatever sells by Wednesday will come with me in my 
>> suitcase and get mailed on Friday. 
>>
>> Jay
>>
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[RBW] Re: Century ride training for the un-racer?

[George Schick]

But PB, isn't that the time that the road race is being run on the same 
course?  I didn't think you could get away with that.  Also, get out there 
too early and none of the rest stops are really to resupply you yet.  Plus, 
you miss the opportunity to inch along -2mph for the first several miles of 
the tour while sandwiched among the other 10,000 riders :-)

One thing I did learn the hard way after riding in my first HHH was to use 
a Camelback.  There are plenty of rest stops along the way so that you 
really don't need the extra water capacity of the Camelback, but the first 
3 rest stops are so packed with riders lined up for food, water, and 
port-a-potties that you can waste 30 minutes or more just waiting.  The 
Camelback lets you go by without getting caught in all that mayhem.


On Friday, July 19, 2013 12:45:04 PM UTC-5, pb wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:15:27 AM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> I recall Hotter'n Hell Hundreds that I rode back in the mid-90's. 
>> more serious heat related issues.
>>
>  
> My strategy for the HTH is to start at 5:00a.m., and finish by 10:30 or 
> 11:00.
>  
> :-)
>  
> pb
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[RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

It's on! 
I emailed some PDX Riv folks and got a couple "no" and couple "maybe" 
responses. It sounds like 4-5 of us will be there. 
--Smitty

On Friday, July 12, 2013 8:16:29 PM UTC-7, Adam wrote:
>
> Greetings Portlanders,
>
> My wife and I are currently traveling around the San Juan islands on her 
> Atlantis and my Hillborne. I wrote the list some time ago for 
> recommendations about our journey and a few Portland locals suggested 
> getting together while we were in town. We still have a week or so on the 
> road, riding primarily through the cascades between here and Portland, and 
> I thought I should throw out a potential time to meet up. Our plan is to 
> arrive in Portland sometime around the 18th. I was thinking it would be 
> great to grab a beer with some of you good folks on the evening of Friday 
> the 19th. I've heard Velo Cult is a great place but am open to other 
> suggestions. Anyone game?
>
> Warmly,
> Adam
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[William]

Christopher

Are you using a 700c Hilsen or a 650B Hilsen?  I have a Nitto Big Front 
Rack and I have a 650B Hilsen, but I have never installed my Nitto Big 
Front Rack on my 650B Hilsen.  But, if it would be helpful, I could 
probably mock it up and take a photo for you.   Let me know.  If your 
Hilsen is 700c, then I won't bother because it won't help you.  

Regarding your fender hardware, there are a number of different things one 
can do.  You could run one long bolt through the fender stay and the rack, 
but you want to get the load-bearing rack as close to the fork braze on as 
possible, and stack the fender on the rack, not the rack on the fender.  

The other option is to attach the fenders to the rack.  In the photo you 
see there are a couple different holes where you'll bolt the rack to the 
fork tip.  One of those holes is actually threaded, so you can bolt your 
fender clip to the rack in that hole.  

On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:22:16 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I've been looking for pictures of a Hilsen with the large front rack (see, 
> there's this sale going on), and I wonder how it all comes together. Can I 
> use the upper eyelets on the fork, or will I be forced to use the clamps? 
> How does it work with the SKS longboard mounting hardware? Etc, etc.
>
> Any tips?
>
> cc
>
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 100/26.0

[ColonelJLloyd]

I'm looking for the longer Dirt Drop stem to give mustache bars a go. 
Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[David Craig]

My wife and I rode the Washington and Oregon Sierra Cascades Route a few 
years ago. It rained a couple of times. We could have easily avoided riding 
in the rain by cowering in a restaurant or by staying in camp. Every year 
is different in the mountains. There are climatic standards, but year to 
year it could be wet or dry. Whether you use fenders or not ultimately 
depends on how much you care to tolerate picking little bits of gravel out 
of your hair.

Could I offer some unsolicited advice? If not STOP READING HERE. : )

I can't imagine touring on 55 BB's. To each his own. I much prefer 50 
Schwalbe Marathon Supremes; They're much lighter than BB's and they work 
just fine for the Sierra Cascades Route - even on the optional dirt 
sections. Also, if you're riding a Riv with 700c's you might find as I did 
that larger tires don't fit well in public trans bike racks or in Amtrak 
boxes. On some tours, we've made use of public trans buses that run between 
coast towns and in larger cities. We've found this approach to work great 
when we'd prefer not to ride in traffic or when one of us is ill or injured 
and we'd still like to make some miles. I once spent a bus ride really 
sketched out with my Bombadil precariously bungeed to the front of a 
coastal bus. Traveling is so easy with the Amtrak boxes that require 
minimal disassembly that we've used that mode of travel many times. I've 
since switched to a 26r Long Haul Trucker so that I can run big tires and 
have a slightly more compact bike for public transport. Using public 
transportation might not be in your plan, but it's a nice option that is 
facilitated by smaller diameter tires. FYI, my Atlantis fit just fine in 
racks and boxes with 37 and 40 mm tires.

If you haven't already considered it, don't bother packing a full sized 
spare for the big tires you are running; it takes up space unnecessarily 
for Stateside touring. In thousands of miles of touring in the US, I've 
only destroyed a couple of tires unexpectedly. Every other tire problem 
gave me plenty of notice. However, large, 700c Schwalbes are far from 
common in LBS's. So, do buy a full-sized spare (I've found that Schwalbe is 
often out of stock on some tires.) Leave it at home packaged and ready to 
go with someone reliable. In these days of 2 day and overnight shipping, 
you can easily have a tire sent to a bike shop or PO. When I was touring on 
700 c's y wife and I packed just one spare between us - a 32 or 35 mm 
Pasela to fit her Heron and my Riv. We never needed to use it in a total of 
6 to 8 months of touring. If I had damaged a tire, I simply would of run 
the small tire on the front and the large tire on the rear until I could 
get a replacement.

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I'll be riding my Homer to the meet up at Velo Cult this evening. It has a 
completely different front rack and no fenders, so looking at my set up 
will be of no help to answer the posted question, but you're welcome to 
check it out anyways. 

I'll bet you need the P-clamps and it's fine with the fender hardware.

--Smitty



On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:22:16 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I've been looking for pictures of a Hilsen with the large front rack (see, 
> there's this sale going on), and I wonder how it all comes together. Can I 
> use the upper eyelets on the fork, or will I be forced to use the clamps? 
> How does it work with the SKS longboard mounting hardware? Etc, etc.
>
> Any tips?
>
> cc
>
> -- 
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>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[David Craig]

Christopher

I mounted a Nitto Front on an Atlantis without any eyelet braze-ons and 
used it for touring a couple of seasons. I used the p-clamps and mounted 
the fender to the rack using some spacers. It worked out fine. You'll 
likely need to use the clamps on the Hilsen since, as I recall the braze on 
eyelets aren't in the right place. You could try these:* *
*
*
http://tinyurl.com/k4k8rgh* *"Tubus mid-fork eyelets."
*
*
They look good and are stable attachments, but they might be too far back 
to hook the rack to. I recall that the rack mount slot doesn't quite match 
up with the fork and still allow a level rack top. I think an overall 
better solution for the Hilsen - sale be damned - is a Mark's rack paired 
with a Tubus Nova rack. It's a practical approach that works great on my 
Long Haul Trucker, although I actually use a Tubus Duo for the lower rack. 
Most of the time, I just use my rear rack and the small front. I really 
like the looks of the Nitto large, but I never liked the unnecessary bulk. 
In my opinion, the small rack and the tubus are much more stable under load.

Dave

On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:22:16 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I've been looking for pictures of a Hilsen with the large front rack (see, 
> there's this sale going on), and I wonder how it all comes together. Can I 
> use the upper eyelets on the fork, or will I be forced to use the clamps? 
> How does it work with the SKS longboard mounting hardware? Etc, etc.
>
> Any tips?
>
> cc
>
> -- 
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>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Adam]

Luckily Julia and I just ran into Chris who let me know that this is actually 
happening. I hadn't seen the replies come through but looking forward to 
meeting some of you. We may get there a little earlier to watch the tour if 
anyone is so inclined. 

Warmly,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Adam]

Luckily Julia and I just ran into Chris who let me know that this is actually 
happening. I hadn't seen the replies come through but looking forward to 
meeting some of you. We may get there a little earlier to watch the tour if 
anyone is so inclined. 

Warmly,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Aaron Young]

Its a Christmas Miracle - I can be there.  See you all at eight for a
staredown.

-Aaron Y.
Vancouver, WA


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> It's on!
> I emailed some PDX Riv folks and got a couple "no" and couple "maybe"
> responses. It sounds like 4-5 of us will be there.
> --Smitty
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2013 8:16:29 PM UTC-7, Adam wrote:
>
>> Greetings Portlanders,
>>
>> My wife and I are currently traveling around the San Juan islands on her
>> Atlantis and my Hillborne. I wrote the list some time ago for
>> recommendations about our journey and a few Portland locals suggested
>> getting together while we were in town. We still have a week or so on the
>> road, riding primarily through the cascades between here and Portland, and
>> I thought I should throw out a potential time to meet up. Our plan is to
>> arrive in Portland sometime around the 18th. I was thinking it would be
>> great to grab a beer with some of you good folks on the evening of Friday
>> the 19th. I've heard Velo Cult is a great place but am open to other
>> suggestions. Anyone game?
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Adam
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Adam]

Luckily Julia and I just ran into Chris who let me know that this is actually 
happening. I hadn't seen the replies come through but looking forward to 
meeting some of you. We may get there a little earlier to watch the tour if 
anyone is so inclined. 

Warmly,
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Re: [RBW] Bleriot headset question

[mikel66...@juno.com]

try a rubber o-ring

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[Christopher Chen]

Thanks for the tips folks. I've got the rack on order, so we'll see how it
works. Mine's a 700c Hilsen, born last year. Actually it's 360 days old.

I was hoping I'd be able to use the brazeons, but if not, that's okay. To
be honest, I've been waiting for the hub area racks (like everyone else
here), and I just got impatient.

cc


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM, David Craig wrote:

> Christopher
>
> I mounted a Nitto Front on an Atlantis without any eyelet braze-ons and
> used it for touring a couple of seasons. I used the p-clamps and mounted
> the fender to the rack using some spacers. It worked out fine. You'll
> likely need to use the clamps on the Hilsen since, as I recall the braze on
> eyelets aren't in the right place. You could try these:* *
> *
> *
> http://tinyurl.com/k4k8rgh* *"Tubus mid-fork eyelets."
> *
> *
> They look good and are stable attachments, but they might be too far back
> to hook the rack to. I recall that the rack mount slot doesn't quite match
> up with the fork and still allow a level rack top. I think an overall
> better solution for the Hilsen - sale be damned - is a Mark's rack paired
> with a Tubus Nova rack. It's a practical approach that works great on my
> Long Haul Trucker, although I actually use a Tubus Duo for the lower rack.
> Most of the time, I just use my rear rack and the small front. I really
> like the looks of the Nitto large, but I never liked the unnecessary bulk.
> In my opinion, the small rack and the tubus are much more stable under load.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:22:16 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
>> I've been looking for pictures of a Hilsen with the large front rack
>> (see, there's this sale going on), and I wonder how it all comes together.
>> Can I use the upper eyelets on the fork, or will I be forced to use the
>> clamps? How does it work with the SKS longboard mounting hardware? Etc, etc.
>>
>> Any tips?
>>
>> cc
>>
>> --
>> "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[cyclotourist]

On 7/19/13, Christopher Chen  wrote:
> I did!
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Adam  wrote:
>
>> Luckily Julia and I just ran into Chris who let me know that this is
>> actually happening. I hadn't seen the replies come through but looking
>> forward to meeting some of you. We may get there a little earlier to
>> watch
>> the tour if anyone is so inclined.
>>
>> Warmly,
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Handlebar Bag, any color

[dougP]

Ryan:

I have Rivendell's Hobo bag & it's somewhat larger.  As Steve pointed out, 
it's taller.  Acorn lists 4.5 liters capacity & somewhere I recall the Hobo 
at around 7 liters (excluding the pockets).  The Hobo will hold 2 750 ml 
wine bottles but that's max.  It is tall enough to just barely handle a Fed 
Ex letter envelope; maybe the zipper doesn't close though.

My Hobo is now a saddlebag supported by a rear rack.  When it was on the 
front of my 58 cm Atlantis, it sat on a Nitto small front rack, so it's 
quite a bit taller than the Acorn looks in their photo.  Thinking back, the 
Hobo tended to flop on the handlebars & I couldn't work out the 
handlebar-to-D-ring connection to my liking.  It's deep enough that 
something heavy like a lock can get it to swinging easily without 
additional stabilization.  

FWIW, we have a couple of Acorn bags & like them a lot. They are well 
thought out & well made.  Since you're familiar with this one, maybe hold 
out for the next run?  Another option is I think Frost River (?) has one 
similar to the Hobo but there's something goofy about the pockets being on 
the wrong side.  

dougP

On Friday, July 19, 2013 11:48:50 AM UTC-7, stevef wrote:
>
> Riv's Hobo bag wasn't too different-perhaps a bit shallower front to back 
> and taller.  Wonder if they might make them again in one form or another?  
> I'm waiting on the next production run of Acorn bags, too.  They make great 
> stuff.
>
> Steve 
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Ray 
> > wrote:
>
>> No sellers! I guess I'll have to wait for the next run to be completed. I 
>> just signed up for the notification.
>>
>> Wish Riv or someone else would copy or improve upon that design. It 
>> really is great.
>>
>> Anyone know of a similar design?
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:21:17 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought one of these off the list last year and just need one on my 
>>> other bike. I don't care what color it is. Other than major holes or 
>>> missing straps I'd consider all other wear beausage. Contact off list 
>>> please.
>>>
>>> p.s. I would consider the tube bag as well I guess if it fits a mini 
>>> u-lock.
>>>
>>> http://www.acornbags.com/**hdlbarbag.html
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Christopher Chen]

I did!


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Adam  wrote:

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> actually happening. I hadn't seen the replies come through but looking
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> the tour if anyone is so inclined.
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> Warmly,
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot headset question

[William]

It's just a dust seal.  It'll keep some of the yuck from getting down your 
steer tube.  The worst thing that can get down there is sweat.  If you drip 
sweat all over your bike, then maybe try to hack a replacement.  If you 
don't, then don't worry about it.  You are correct that it's not a 100% 
water tight seal.  If you park your bike in the rain, it's getting wet down 
there with or without the ring.  

On Friday, July 19, 2013 3:20:12 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> I have a Shimano 600 headset.
> The black plastic ring that sits in the top of it is split. Doesn't even 
> really fit in there anymore.
> Do I need to get another piece or just trash it? What is it for? Seems 
> like it isn't water tight anyway and wouldn't keep anything out of the 
> headset. Maybe just a cosmetic finish piece?
>  
> You can see the pic where it goes and that it is out of there.
> Thanks for any advice.
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[RBW] Re: STP 2013

[Tim Tetrault]

I do say that the AHH is my nominee as the ideal STP bicycle. 

On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:53:39 PM UTC-7, Andy Williams wrote:
>
> STP weekend, and a fine one it was. We were the beneficiaries of warm 
> temps and tailwinds both days for about 204 miles.  I rode with 10,000 of 
> my closest friends, and heard relatively few discouraging words, despite an 
> abundance of pace lines and spandex.
>
> Fellow Rivendell riders I observed included a Rambouillet and a shiny new 
> Atlantis.  The trusty Bleriot performed well and received many nice 
> compliments.  
>
> Pictures prove it happened.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/sets/72157634624523917/
>
> Andy
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 100/26.0

[Dan McNamara]

I have one with the m-bars. Assuming you you already have the bars? 

Dan

-Marin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Adam]

Luckily Julia and I just ran into Chris who let me know that this is actually 
happening. I hadn't seen the replies come through but looking forward to 
meeting some of you. We may get there a little earlier to watch the tour if 
anyone is so inclined. 

Warmly,
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[RBW] Re: unique hand made recycled leather saddles

[bo richardson]

I have been looking for someone to make wallets out of worn out saddle 
leather
great quality leather and it could be a person's own seat returned to them
as a wallet.
 
would rudy be a person who might be able to do this?
 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:11:54 AM UTC-7, Rudi Mayr wrote:

> These are old leather saddles that came to me with ruined leather.  I have 
> replaced the leather.  They range from one of the first I did (late 2011), 
> to the most recent (which I did earlier this month).  They are shown in 
> their present condition; I expect the leather to darken with time and use.  
> I cannot offer a money-back-no-questions-asked guarantee, but will stand by 
> my work and make repairs if necessary.  Incidentally, I would be happy to 
> take your old saddle(s), with ruined leather, in trade.  
>
> The first  three saddles are all made from sole bend leather, the thickest 
> stuff you can get.  It is thick and hard. I have ridden thousands of miles 
> on saddles made from this leather.  It holds up well, but some riders have 
> joked RHM must stand for 'rock hard material' rather than my initials.  I'm 
> not exaggerating, and I'm not making any excuses; I think a leather saddle 
> *should* be hard.  If you disagree, these probably aren't for you.
>
> I  believe this link will take you to photos.  I have labeled them in the 
> 'comments.'
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/107591792777566806025/albums/5901578391382893617?authkey=CKTE9PL4scqOPA
>
> 1.  RHM#4, a PRYMA saddle frame; made in France, painted black, with wire 
> bag loops.  It is very narrow; about 5 3/8".  $65 shipped
> More photos:
>
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lwDOCUZXvDU/USjjLPepTGI/DQw/ZYxgCaHogGs/w958-h719-no/IMG_7378.JPG
>
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RWkt6Sujgvs/USjjLuYxQRI/DQ4/sShhtV-BPiU/w958-h719-no/IMG_7379.JPG
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w1Kv4UnaWac/USjjRVvVw0I/DMg/DP5DXXWXZ-Q/w958-h719-no/IMG_7381.JPG
>
> 2.  RHM#40, an Ideale 80 frame, black, no bag loops.  The width is a 
> little under 6"/ I reused all but one of the original rivets, which are 
> stamped IDEALE.  The skirt stamps are imitations of Ideale stamps, but says 
> 'remade in New Jersey" and have my initials where you would expect to find 
> T, B, and 80.   $120 shipped.
>
> 3. RHM#49, a Brooks Pro frame, about 6" wide.  Copper rivets.  Skirt 
> stamps show Zeus and Herakles based on ancient Greek coins.  $120 shipped.
>
> 4.  RHM#46, a Brooks Pro frame, about 6" wide.  Brass rivets.  Skirt 
> stamps based on an ancient Carthaginian coin.  $120 shipped.
> This one is made from a premium butt leather; more expensive, easier to 
> work with, but thinner and softer.  I have only ridden a few hundred miles 
> on one saddle made from this leather, and I'd say "so far, so good!" but 
> honestly I am not sure how it will hold up over the long haul.  
>
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gVR9YdDvtiU/UaT037YuyOI/Dw0/PlcPIUfthqc/w958-h719-no/IMG_0405.jpg
>
> Rudi Mayr
> Lawrenceville, NJ (but in Mastic Beach, NY, for the summer)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Shawn Granton]

Ok. I'm at the round table closest to the Photo Booth, if anyone shows up
early. Plenty of room at the table.

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot headset question

[Michael]

>
> OK. Thanks for the info.
>
I won't worry about it then.
I'm sure that plenty of dust blows up into the tube from beneath the crown 
anyway.
Maybe I will try a rubber O-ring from a hardware store if I get the 
inclination.

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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

[Michael]

>
> How many miles a day do people do usually on that ride? Do some go 
> non-stop all the way?
>
 
Have a great time. 

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Re: [RBW] RAGBRAI

[Robert Harrison]

Have fun...I'll be on my green Bike Friday NWT going very slowly most of the 
time. Would love to bring my Hunq but it's just too expensive to ship from 
Honolulu.

Aloha!

Linkbeak  wrote:

>If you're doing RAGBRAI, look for me on my bright blue Ram loaded with
>red panniers.  Hey, it's a 1 in 10,000 shot.
>
>This will be my second loaded, multi-day tour with the Ram.  I am
>impressed at how well she handles with a load, even if that isn't her
>purpose in life.
>
>Joyce
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Re: [RBW] Are fenders necessary for a Pacific NW tour in August?

[dougP]

Michael:

If you're already set & don't have fenders, I wouldn't bother at this 
point.  Whatever one changes just before a tour always seems to invoke the 
law of unintended consequences, even something as seemingly benign as tires 
& fenders.  

dougP

On Friday, July 19, 2013 9:05:25 AM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Well,   I shouldve stated that I have 55 Big Bens on my Atlantis.   I dont 
> think i could squeeze those under fenders.   The disadvantage would be cost 
> of new tires+ fenders
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Ron Mc > 
> wrote:
>
> the advantages of leaving them on are (list)  
> the disadvantages?  I can't think of any.  
>
> On Friday, July 19, 2013 1:27:08 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I leave em on all year. Keeps the bike clean. You will probably hit wet 
>> roads at some point this time of year. 
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Michael Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey group,   just wanted to ask some of the Pacific NWers on the list if 
>> it is necessary to have fenders for a tour from roughly Aug 1st to Sep 
>> 1st?I'll be riding the ACA Sierra/Cascades route from Truckee, CA to 
>> Seattle,  then onto the San Juan Islands hopefully.Im not really 
>> familiar with the weather in those areas.  If it was winter/fall/spring,   
>> sure Id be going with fenders.   Just wanted to know about Summer weather 
>> patterns.thanks in advance!!   -Mike 
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[RBW] unique hand made recycled leather saddles

[Pondero]

Nice work, Rudi.  I like the concept.  I don't need a saddle today, but when my 
oldest B17 wears out, I'd be interested in trying this.

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[RBW] Re: Newly built-up LongLow

[Don]

Ah! What a pleasure to see my bike after your build. You did a wonderful 
job. She look beautiful. That bike took me from San Diego to St. Augustine 
in 2005. It was absolutely flawless. Outside of that xcountry ride I really 
never rode it all that much. I got into vintage British bikes.  I hope you 
have many pleasurable years of riding. Thanks for posting.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:27:46 PM UTC-7, IanA wrote:
>
> Towards the end of 2012, I bought a 1998 Double Joe F/F/HS LongLow from a 
> list member. I bought parts from Germany, the US, from list members (good 
> people here).  I have to say that dealing with the people on this list has 
> been a pleasure.
>
> I'm not a talented photographer, and the bicycle does look lovelier in the 
> steel.  This is my first Rivendell and it absolutely rides like a dream - 
> the stories are all true. I took it on its maiden voyage today and 20km 
> later was walking through the front door thinking I really must buy an 
> Atlantis as well.
>
> I've set it up for Randonneur riding and light-weight touring.  It will 
> comfortably handle true 35mm tires with the fenders, so I think it offers 
> lots of versatility.  I have it as an 8 speed (12-28) to the XD triple 
> (28/38/48) and that seems to be a good fit for this bike.
>
> It's my first ground-up build.  The headset was already pressed in, but I 
> built the wheels myself for this bicycle (first time) and assembled 
> everything either in my living-room or when I needed to at the local 
> bicycle co-op.  It's taken me a few months as I was working too much, but 
> it's good to finish the build finally.  I kept the build cost as low as 
> possible, using second-hand or using parts I already owned where I could. 
>  There are also quite a few new parts and I haven't compromised on quality. 
>  Overall, I'm very happy with the way it has turned out.
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot headset question

[Doug M]

Would wrapped hemp twine suffice as a replacement?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Portland Bound

[Adam]

Luckily Julia and I just ran into Chris who let me know that this is actually 
happening. I hadn't seen the replies come through but looking forward to 
meeting some of you. We may get there a little earlier to watch the tour if 
anyone is so inclined. 

Warmly,
Adam

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[RBW] Re: Newly built-up LongLow

[Ryan]

Very nice,classic bike. Nice build including your own wheels. I'm 
impressed Love that green. I hope it gives you many happy miles of riding
 
,I have a 1997 A/R (not built  by double Joe...built in the Waterford 
factory) that was painted Sherwood Forest green
 
It's hard when you get bitten by the Rivendell bug...you find yourself 
wanting to buy another one:)
On Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:27:46 AM UTC-5, IanA wrote:

> Towards the end of 2012, I bought a 1998 Double Joe F/F/HS LongLow from a 
> list member. I bought parts from Germany, the US, from list members (good 
> people here).  I have to say that dealing with the people on this list has 
> been a pleasure. 
>
> I'm not a talented photographer, and the bicycle does look lovelier in the 
> steel.  This is my first Rivendell and it absolutely rides like a dream - 
> the stories are all true. I took it on its maiden voyage today and 20km 
> later was walking through the front door thinking I really must buy an 
> Atlantis as well.
>
> I've set it up for Randonneur riding and light-weight touring.  It will 
> comfortably handle true 35mm tires with the fenders, so I think it offers 
> lots of versatility.  I have it as an 8 speed (12-28) to the XD triple 
> (28/38/48) and that seems to be a good fit for this bike.
>
> It's my first ground-up build.  The headset was already pressed in, but I 
> built the wheels myself for this bicycle (first time) and assembled 
> everything either in my living-room or when I needed to at the local 
> bicycle co-op.  It's taken me a few months as I was working too much, but 
> it's good to finish the build finally.  I kept the build cost as low as 
> possible, using second-hand or using parts I already owned where I could. 
>  There are also quite a few new parts and I haven't compromised on quality. 
>  Overall, I'm very happy with the way it has turned out.
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Large Front with AHH?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi cc,
There's an old thread from 12/2008 (Subject: "HELP - install Nitto Big 
Front Rack"): 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/hm48Y3aiEl4

But... it could depend on your particular build. It seems like some 
production models change ever so slightly, which means YMMV.

Anyway, the relevant text:

Hi Everyone-- 

Just to provide more supporting information, I tried to fit the Nitto 
Big Front Rack on my 700c A. Homer Hilsen today and was unable to get 
it mounted using the mid-fork braze-ons.  I was told, however, that 
the rack fits fine using the braze-ons on the 650b models.  It sounds 
like 26"/650b are ok but 700c is problematic. 

Bummer. 




On Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:22:16 AM UTC-4, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> I've been looking for pictures of a Hilsen with the large front rack (see, 
> there's this sale going on), and I wonder how it all comes together. Can I 
> use the upper eyelets on the fork, or will I be forced to use the clamps? 
> How does it work with the SKS longboard mounting hardware? Etc, etc.
>
> Any tips?
>
> cc
>
> -- 
> "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah 
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot headset question

[Doug M]

Would wrapped hemp twine suffice as a replacement?

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[RBW] Re: RAGBRAI

[Tony McG]

I'll be watching for both of you while riding my Soma San Marcos (2 top 
tubes).

Tony

On Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:32:42 PM UTC-5, Linkbeak wrote:
>
> If you're doing RAGBRAI, look for me on my bright blue Ram loaded with red 
> panniers.  Hey, it's a 1 in 10,000 shot.
>
> This will be my second loaded, multi-day tour with the Ram.  I am 
> impressed at how well she handles with a load, even if that isn't her 
> purpose in life.
>
> Joyce
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need shoe recommendations for riding.

[Mike On A Bike]

On the minimalist end of the continuum, I'd recommend the Vivobarefoot 
"breatho" model. It's super lightweight, grippy (lugged sole), breathable 
and very comfortable for walking. I know lots of people like a stiff shoe 
for cycling, but I find this "barefoot running" shoe to be perfect as it's 
sturdy enough for riding and yet feels like the least restrictive shoe you 
could get. I use them with the thin gripster pedals and love the setup, 
never ever slip. 

They seem to be pretty well made as I've had a pair for 9 months and they 
still look pretty good. I've tried several patagonia models, Chacos, 
Chrome, et. al., and I don't feel like I could find a better shoe, and by a 
good margin. 

On Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:05:21 AM UTC-4, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> 5.10 Dirtbags. I bought a pair a month ago and have been pleasantly 
> suprised at how good they are. I too ride MKS touring pedals with clips and 
> straps and these are the best shoes I've tried to date.
>  
>
> On Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:12:10 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
>> Specifically something that is for regular pedals - not clipless.
>> I use MKS Touring Pedals with MKS toe clips - no straps.
>> Looking for something that has a harder sole for longer rides.
>> My regular, every day shoes are great on commutes, but feel a little soft 
>> on standing climbs, and sometimes my toes get squished as they get jammed 
>> in the front of the shoe.
>>  
>> I can put up with it for the short rides, but I think it would get on me 
>> nerves on longer rides.
>>  
>> Any tips are welcome.
>>
>

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