[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread shawn m.
Stick it out, Tom. This group is a wealth of knowledge, freely shared by a 
wide range of riders and riding styles. And it's the nicest group of ladies 
and gentlemen I've ever encountered anywhere on the internet. I understand 
your frustration, but trust me; it's worth it. Good luck.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom


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[RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-09 Thread shawn m.
Terrific write-up, Anne. I really enjoyed reading your perspective on this 
adventure. I've really got to do some riding in that part of the world 
sometime. 

Cheers,
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA (Fremont)

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:26:32 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 Every time I read about one of Manny's adventures, I think to myself, 
 Wow, that's too hard for me, glad I didn't do that one. But Jim 
 Warren asked if I were going to ride this one, and then I wanted to 
 reward myself for finishing up some programs, so somehow on Monday 
 morning, there I was at the Mountain View train station, waiting to 
 take the train to San Francisco and adventure. 

 You dudes with all that upper body strength don't have to worry about 
 this, but I was worried about even getting my loaded bike onto 
 Caltrain. The bike cars I'd been on in the past have four very steep 
 steps you have to carry your bike up. I was afraid I wouldn't be able 
 to do that. (For good reason, as I found out the next day.) But, 
 happily, the bike car that arrived was a different sort, where the 
 rider just had to lift the bike up one tiny step. 

 And, at nine in the morning, there were a whole bunch of cyclists 
 waiting to do just that. As there were also a whole bunch of cyclists 
 already on the train, embarking resembled a game of Bike Tetris, with 
 bikes and riders crammed in the aisles, and much shifting at each 
 station. Fortunately the other cyclists were patient with me and my 
 difficulties maneuvering a bike loaded up with rear panniers in the 
 cramped quarters. 

 By the time we got to San Mateo where Jim Warren was to board the 
 train, the herd had thinned and he was able to find a space with no 
 difficulties. Once in San Francisco we went on to the Ferry Building 
 and Pier 1 to meet up with the famous Manny and the other riders. The 
 Ferry Building is foodie heaven; we stopped there for a bite to eat, 
 and to get some provender for the ride. Manny pooh-poohed the idea 
 that we needed food, but was overruled. I had awoken early to finish 
 packing, ride to the train to take the hour and a half trip-- 
 breakfast was a distant memory by that time. 

 We proceeded through San Francisco, over the bridge (which sucked, as 
 usual) and down through Sausalito, where we stopped at a bike shop. 
 Sadly, none of us could fit in the handsome wool tweed riding breeches 
 that were on sale-- perhaps no other riders could, either, and that's 
 why they were on sale. 

 We continued on to Mill Valley, for another stop, to meet another 
 rider,  for a cheese and fruit snack and for purchase of more food, 
 some to eat then, some to bring, plus various beverages of an 
 alcoholic nature. Manny pooh-poohed  the idea that we would need 
 anything for breakfast, saying that we'd have a downhill trip from our 
 campsite to the Pelican Inn where we would be able to have coffee. I 
 like coffee at breakfast but I like breakfast food as well, so I 
 nevertheless brought food, as did others. When you read the 
 description of the next day's ride, you will notice that there were no 
 places at all to get food. So, if you are on a ride with Manny, it 
 can't hurt to bring extra food, as indeed he always does. 

 Now it was time to start the dirt... and the ride was pretty much all 
 dirt from then on, until we got back to the Bridge the next day. We 
 started up the east side of Old Railroad Grade.  The trail was 
 fire-road width, not too steep, but the surface is sharp pointy rocks. 
 I was glad I had installed the Marathon 1.6 tires on the bike, but 
 realized as I jounced around on the rocks that 75 psi was way too much 
 air. I kept letting out more and more air. 

 On our way up, we met up with our last rider. Now we were seven, with 
 four Atlanti, Jim's Hunqa, a Hilsen and another fine non-Riv entrant. 
 Of our four Atlanti, three were the original green (mine is purple) 
 but only one of our forks was the original color: we had a 
 kaleidoscope of green, purple, orange and blue. Odd.  (And I'm sure 
 Manny will have pictures to prove this.) 

 At West Point Inn, at the top, I was thinking that the climb would 
 have been iffy with narrow tires. But then, who should arrive at the 
 top but a fit-looking Bridgestone RB-3 (?) rider on narrow tires. 
 Clearly, this dude was a skilled rider to be able to navigate the 
 rocky surface without getting pinch flats. We all stood around for a 
 while appreciating each others' bikes, then descended to the 
 campground. 

 The campground seemed oddly wet. Hmm... I didn't think it had rained, 
 but our campsite was muddy. Oh well. We set up camp, and stuffed 
 ourselves with various cheese, bread, sausage, fabulous pastry and 
 other good stuff people brought. And then it was dinner time, but 
 having eaten all that other food, I didn't feel like eating the 
 sandwich I had lugged up there. 

 Manny made a little fire, expertly, as it began to get dark. There was 
 much talk around the fire, 

[RBW] Re: Furious Freds, anyone? Racing Ralphs?

2013-08-09 Thread Philip Williamson
Oh - how he shaved the tread. I'm sorry. He said he inflated the tire and 
pressed hard with side cutters. Then the road does most of the work of 
smoothing it down as you ride. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:36:01 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 Lightness! The claimed weights of those knobbies looks good for such fat 
 tires. I have 700C Big Apples, as well, but I think they're much heavier. I 
 really like them, though. 

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:35:11 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 Philip - Really interesting, thanks for sharing the article.  I like the 
 idea though I'm not sure I'd gain much from my big apples.  I don't have a 
 drop bar 26 bike though... hmmm!

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:24:26 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:

 You've seen this, perhaps? 

 http://bartthebikeman.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/schwalbe-racing-ralph-shaven-as-a-road-tyre/
  

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:34:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Asking opinions of people who have used one or the other or both: 

 Are the FFs too fragile (360 grams at 50 mm!) for rough gravel? 

 Now that Stan's seems to be the magic tie that binds paperweight tires 
 and goathead-studded roads, I see no reason not to run the lightest 
 tire that will stand up to rough gravel, but don't want blowouts at 40 
 mph down a steep logging road. 

 The RR is 520 grams and a bit wider (2.25) and about the same price, 
 so perhaps that's a better option? 

 Heck, even at 520 grams, with the 560 gram Rhyno Lites in place of the 
 800 gram (light model) SnoCats and the 800 gram (light model, 
 folding) BA Liteskins, climbing ought to be a different experience. 

 The as-new pair of the BAs are still for sale. 

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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread Joe Bernard
It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the 
list are moderated 'til the admins have determined you're a real live 
Riv-person. Welcome!

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom


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Re: [RBW] Re: Furious Freds, anyone? Racing Ralphs?

2013-08-09 Thread Brian Hanson
This reminds me of when I made snow tires with machine screws through the
knobs on my old mtb tires.  Wouldn't it be really great if folks just
demanded large supple smooth road tires so we don't have to go to these
extremes?  Oh wait - the Compass 26 2.0s are exactly that.  I love mine,
BTW - awesome ride - probably made my older Miyata with Bosco's a favorite
bike.  Now if I could just lower the bottom bracket...

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Philip Williamson 
philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh - how he shaved the tread. I'm sorry. He said he inflated the tire
 and pressed hard with side cutters. Then the road does most of the work of
 smoothing it down as you ride.

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:36:01 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 Lightness! The claimed weights of those knobbies looks good for such fat
 tires. I have 700C Big Apples, as well, but I think they're much heavier. I
 really like them, though.

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 6:35:11 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 Philip - Really interesting, thanks for sharing the article.  I like the
 idea though I'm not sure I'd gain much from my big apples.  I don't have a
 drop bar 26 bike though... hmmm!

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 3:24:26 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:

 You've seen this, perhaps?
 http://bartthebikeman.**wordpress.com/2013/06/28/**
 schwalbe-racing-ralph-shaven-**as-a-road-tyre/http://bartthebikeman.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/schwalbe-racing-ralph-shaven-as-a-road-tyre/


 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 7:34:31 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Asking opinions of people who have used one or the other or both:

 Are the FFs too fragile (360 grams at 50 mm!) for rough gravel?

 Now that Stan's seems to be the magic tie that binds paperweight tires
 and goathead-studded roads, I see no reason not to run the lightest
 tire that will stand up to rough gravel, but don't want blowouts at 40
 mph down a steep logging road.

 The RR is 520 grams and a bit wider (2.25) and about the same price,
 so perhaps that's a better option?

 Heck, even at 520 grams, with the 560 gram Rhyno Lites in place of the
 800 gram (light model) SnoCats and the 800 gram (light model,
 folding) BA Liteskins, climbing ought to be a different experience.

 The as-new pair of the BAs are still for sale.

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[RBW] Re: Long can be good, too

2013-08-09 Thread shawn m.
Fantastic! What a ride and great photos, too. Many congratulations on 
reaching your goal. Now, what's this training thing I hear tell of? 
That's where the whole randonneuring thing breaks down for me... :)

Seriously, though, well done.

Cheers,
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA (Fremont)



On Sunday, August 4, 2013 7:08:33 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 I just finished a great 300k in Whatcom county (furthermost north/west 
 part of WA state), and my ride goal for 2013. It was my longest ride, and 
 my first 300k. The first 60 miles led to a 5000' climb to Artist's Point
 flic.kr/s/aHsjA7EhD5 nestled between Mt. Baker and Mt. Shuksan. It was 
 brutal but beautiful climbing up to the clouds and snow!  From there, we 
 headed back down on an amazing (and fast) descent the way we came up.  I 
 stopped to take some pics I missed on the way up, filled up on coconut 
 water, and then headed north through blueberry and raspberry fields to the 
 Canadian border, and West to Peace Arch Park at the border crossing and the 
 Pacific Ocean. After a nice jaunt along the coast, we headed back home. I 
 suffered on the last 100k with a left knee that wasn't cooperating, and a 
 front derailer that broke after the Baker climb, but I mustered that last 
 50 miles and enjoyed the feeling of pulling in after a full day of awesome 
 scenery in perfect weather! 

 Pix proved it happened:  http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHhzZyg

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, WA
  

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Manuel Acosta
I was about to say... If there aren't any pictures

Best regards. Keep that rubber side down.

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:35:02 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Proof that she's here in my possession. I still can't believe I own one of 
 these bikes after wanting one for so long. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread Brian Hanson
Tom - it's worth some frustration to stick this group out.  Best listserv
I've been a part of.  Ever.

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the
 list are moderated 'til the admins have determined you're a real live
 Riv-person. Welcome!

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Brian Hanson
L, L, Love that!  Best feature on the betty!  The heart is part of what
sold me on the Hunqa!

Congrats, Cecily!  You will love her!  I just stared at one longingly today
on a visit to Free Range in Seattle.

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 Proof that she's here in my possession. I still can't believe I own one of
 these bikes after wanting one for so long.


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[RBW] Re: Looking for 62cm Quickbeam

2013-08-09 Thread Philip Williamson
I can ride a 64, and I've been super happy with my 60cm 
Quickbeamhttp://www.biketinker.com/2012/projects/quickbeam-disenrandonneurized/for
 9 years. 
So you might consider Colin's 60cm 
Quickbeamhttps://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/_FkZ-rfAlIMposted
 to the list. Only $1000, and plus, it's orange. Pull the seatpost up 
a thumb's width, install a longer stem, and Bob's yer uncle. Fantastic 
bike. 

Philip
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On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:50:35 PM UTC-7, Jeremy wrote:

 After seeing that 64cm QB go by (which was a hair too big for my stubby 
 legs), I've decided I want a QB of my own.

 Anyone holding?

 -Jeremy
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[RBW] Post Courage Classic Pictures

2013-08-09 Thread Benedikt
I loaded up my Sam and rode it on the Courage Classic again. 
Pictures to prove it! - 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/sets/72157634961282335/
This year I even took my saddle bags and my digital SLR camera. This 
brought the weight up to 47 pounds with empty water bottles. And actually 
it wasn't that bad. I even passed some carbon peeps.

The Courage Classic is a three day/170 mile ride right here in the 
Washington Cascades. Each day climbs over a mountain pass. The Sam was a 
huge hit. There was a small crowd formed around it many times taking 
pictures and asking questions.  

To the one person in the RBW Owners Brunch who made a donation thank you 
again. If anyone else wants to donate here's the link to my fundraising 
page. There's still time. 
http://www.courageclassic.kintera.org/Brian_Pickart
With your donation you're helping to stop the cycle of child abuse and 
neglect . 100% of your donation goes directly to the charity. The web page 
makes it appear that $25 dollars is the least you can give however ANY 
amount can be entered in the box. $5, $10, $15, $20 dollars all gladly 
accepted. Skip out on your morning latte. Feel good about helping kids and 
a friend reach his fundraising goal!

- Brian in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread shawn m.
I went through kinda the same thing when my Hunqapillar frame arrived, but 
the sheer beauty of the thing made me forget all about it. Happy new bike 
day! Post pics when you've got her all built up! Good luck and congrats!

Shawn M.
Seattle, WA

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:29:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled about 
 completing the build. I'm looking forward to many great rides together. 

 There's just one thing: I've never actually paid attention to frame size 
 before, so when I took Betty out of her very well-packed box, I was a 
 little surprised by how small she is. I ordered the 55cm size as 
 recommended by Keven, but she looks so small without all of parts. 

 Is this normal? Should I measure her just to be sure? 

 Cecily
 Vancouver, BC


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Re: [RBW] Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread Brian Hanson
Started with Moustaches. (good - too much reach)
Went to Porteurs. (better - wrapped with the wrong tape color, and got
antsy...)
Next up, Noodles. (best - but felt just like my Homer)
Now using Albas (tied for great with Noodles, but I am still a bit miffed
that they swoop up - bending my hands at an odd angle when I'm in the
forward position)
Next up - may go back to Porteurs or Boscos (like on a another bike)

The joys of a cockpit switcher!

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Ozonation ekl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar

 I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but
 would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa
 Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively
 long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was
 thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.

 However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and
 this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I
 just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or
 Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on
 rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more
 MTB style) would be best.

 I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they
 for longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of
 Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good
 reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what
 looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos!

 Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of
 lends the above.

 Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations?
 Albatross? Other?

 Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Hi Tom,

Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards to
the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so you're
welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous and
sauve. Here is the camp info:

CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
SITE:SM117
SITE TYPE:STANDARD
LOOP:San Mateo Sites 101-140
STATE:California
REGION:Southern Division
ARRIVAL DATE:Fri Aug 23 2013
DEPARTURE DATE:Sat Aug 24 2013
LENGTH OF STAY:1
PRIMARY OCCUPANT:HUGH SMITHAM
# OF OCCUPANTS:8
EQUIPMENT:Tent(1)
# OF VEHICLES:3
CHECK-IN TIME:2:00 PM
CHECK-OUT TIME:12:00 PM
Thanks for asking  what I paid. I paid $43.00,  $35.00 for the site + $
8.00 for the service fee. If you feel like contributing great if not I'm
not going to make a big deal just glad folks are into this S240 thingy.
I've decided to head North on Saturday and will catch the 5:45 pm train
home so have lots of time to lolly gag. Really looking forward to riding
and camping with you all.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell Hugh,

 I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to getting
 there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and see
 your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of
 contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several
 Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for
 me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot
 commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the
 transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal
 with dark if I do it later).

 I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I
 don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a
 largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into
 civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required
 to ensure restful sleep.

 I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would
 like to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride
 slow.  un-racer.

 Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get
 there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

 I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about these
 bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you that
 turn out.

 Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened to
 wife).  Perhaps we should create a proof that it happened clump on flickr
 and post so other folks can enjoy.

 Thank you,

 Tom


 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David
 Estes, Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to
 meet in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting,
 Mitch has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that
 his ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking
 with 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I
 need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in
 Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In
 am going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  

[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread sameness
Onya!

Jeff Hagedorn
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Made and confirmed my Amtrak ticket arriving in Irvine 10:53 am.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards to
 the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so you're
 welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous and
 sauve. Here is the camp info:

 CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
 SITE:SM117
 SITE TYPE:STANDARD
 LOOP:San Mateo Sites 101-140
 STATE:California
 REGION:Southern Division
 ARRIVAL DATE:Fri Aug 23 2013
 DEPARTURE DATE:Sat Aug 24 2013
 LENGTH OF STAY:1
 PRIMARY OCCUPANT:HUGH SMITHAM
 # OF OCCUPANTS:8
 EQUIPMENT:Tent(1)
 # OF VEHICLES:3
 CHECK-IN TIME:2:00 PM
 CHECK-OUT TIME:12:00 PM
 Thanks for asking  what I paid. I paid $43.00,  $35.00 for the site + $
 8.00 for the service fee. If you feel like contributing great if not I'm
 not going to make a big deal just glad folks are into this S240 thingy.
 I've decided to head North on Saturday and will catch the 5:45 pm train
 home so have lots of time to lolly gag. Really looking forward to riding
 and camping with you all.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell Hugh,

 I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to getting
 there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and see
 your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of
 contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several
 Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for
 me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot
 commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the
 transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal
 with dark if I do it later).

 I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I
 don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a
 largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into
 civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required
 to ensure restful sleep.

 I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would
 like to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride
 slow.  un-racer.

 Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get
 there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

 I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about
 these bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you
 that turn out.

 Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened
 to wife).  Perhaps we should create a proof that it happened clump on
 flickr and post so other folks can enjoy.

 Thank you,

 Tom


 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David
 Estes, Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to
 meet in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting,
 Mitch has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that
 his ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking
 with 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside?
 I need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends
 in Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will 
 work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it 
 to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, 

[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?

2013-08-09 Thread sameness
Pretty sure I used Shoe Goo. Waited overnight.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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Re: [RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread hsmitham
+1 on what Brian said. Glad to have you part of the group.

~Hugh

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:19:22 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Tom - it's worth some frustration to stick this group out.  Best listserv 
 I've been a part of.  Ever.

 Brian
 Seattle, WA

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, WA


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the 
 list are moderated 'til the admins have determined you're a real live 
 Riv-person. Welcome!

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom

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Re: [RBW] Tire bead won't seat/will unseat around valve area?

2013-08-09 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Not to over simplify, but do you make sure you push the stem in far enough
to get below the bead?


On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can't remember this being an issue in my more distant memory, but
 recently, I've had a couple of tires form a bit of a hump around the valve
 stem after installing, pumping up and riding for a bit. I look closely, and
 the bead is slightly out of the rim, producing a faint bulge. Once it
 happened right away, another it happened later into a longer ride.

 The tire that did this most recently is the Kevler-bead folding TG Pasela.
 Front wheel. I was riding along, and realized the front wheel was going
 bump bump bump..

 I'd like to think I install tires properly. Is this a common thing that
 everyone knows about, I've just never come across before? Are there other
 experiences out there similar to this? Are some tires more prone to
 slipping out of the rim hook than others?

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Re: [RBW] Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread Tim
I have bullmoose on my 58 Huqa but this converstion really wants to make me try 
Albas. I love the Bullmoose looks and the riding position but when riding 
trails and single track I get terrible numbness in my hands. That's something 
I've never been able to avoid on any mountain/trail bike. I thought by getting 
the Bullmoose bars up high it would go away but no luck. Noodles and Mark's 
bars on the Homer and Roadeo are great with very few hand issues. I've never 
been a cockpit fiddler (mostly because I'd rather ride than tinker) but I may 
need to try Albas. My GF loves them on her Sam.

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Cecily Walker
It isn't a frame photo, but here's the art that was on my bike 
box: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9472311564/

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:29:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled about 
 completing the build. I'm looking forward to many great rides together. 

 There's just one thing: I've never actually paid attention to frame size 
 before, so when I took Betty out of her very well-packed box, I was a 
 little surprised by how small she is. I ordered the 55cm size as 
 recommended by Keven, but she looks so small without all of parts. 

 Is this normal? Should I measure her just to be sure? 

 Cecily
 Vancouver, BC


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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Johnny Alien
I think the art on my box is identical. I will take a photo tonight. Someone 
should start a photo collection of the box art. 

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Re: [RBW] Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread Johnny Alien
I love my Albas on my Hillborne however I would be inclined to put something a 
bit tougher looking on a hunqapillar. With that in mind I would go bosco 
bullmoose if it were me. All of the comfort with a bit of a tougher look. 

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[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?

2013-08-09 Thread shawn
I used Gorilla glue. It worked great, but it is pretty much permanent. 

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:34:11 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote:

 Hi Y'all,
  
 Getting ready to put cork grips on my Albas and was wondering what 
 everyone uses and how long you have to wait after applying to ride on them. 
 Thanks for the info.


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RE: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Somebody has: 
http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwboxart/pool/with/7734585144/#photo_7734585144


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I think the art on my box is identical. I will take a photo tonight. Someone 
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[RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Albatross bars are excellent on my Hunqapillar and I ride a lot of root, 
rocky, and steep single track in the Colorado Rockies. You can look through 
my whole photo stream, but here are two pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9360335191/ (there are a set of 
pics there showing the whole climb, at about 12,000 feet. Doesn't show much 
in the way of rocks and roots, but gives the idea)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9422980161/

Set up the albas so you have a climbing grip at the top of the curve 
(similar to the hoods on drop bars). This works great for climbing, and 
removes some of the extra leverage you get from the ends of the bars, so 
you aren't unintentionally steering. When descending, I stay at the bar 
ends both for the brakes and the more upright position and leverage in 
steering as I thread through the rocks and roots.

I can't speak to the Bosco bars, but the only possible way to improve on 
the Albas that I can figure would be the bullmoose boscos for the increased 
stiffness (which hasn't been an issue, but I can see the benefit).

For reference, I've ridden (and LCG'd, lowest common gear, pushing the 
bike) sections of the Colorado Trail (single track mostly) and the Great 
Divide Mountain BIke Trail (forest service roads) with full bikepacking 
gear and love the Albas.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Lovely! Thanks for posting.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:07:31 PM UTC-6, futch wrote:


 http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/


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RE: [RBW] Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Bullmoose Bosco rules on a bike like the Hunqa.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Hanson
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 2:26 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

Started with Moustaches. (good - too much reach)
Went to Porteurs. (better - wrapped with the wrong tape color, and got antsy...)
Next up, Noodles. (best - but felt just like my Homer)
Now using Albas (tied for great with Noodles, but I am still a bit miffed that 
they swoop up - bending my hands at an odd angle when I'm in the forward 
position)
Next up - may go back to Porteurs or Boscos (like on a another bike)

The joys of a cockpit switcher!

Brian
Seattle, WA

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Ozonation 
ekl...@gmail.commailto:ekl...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm trying decide on Albatross - or other - bar for my Hunqapillar

I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but would 
not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa Fargo and 
its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively long tours - 
mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was thinking of trying drop 
bars on the Hunqapillar.

However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and this 
is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I just 
really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more MTB style or Nitto 
Bullmoose bar to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on rougher trails, I 
would think something like Nitto Bullmoose bars (more MTB style) would be best.

I hadn't really consider the Nitto Albatross bars - how long are they for 
longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of Hunqapillar 
riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good reviews. And 
Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what looks like an 
Albatross bar on one of its videos!

Some swear by another one, the Nitto Bosco Bullmoose bar, which sort of lends 
the above.

Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations? Albatross? 
Other?

Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Welcome, Tom!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:48:47 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

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[RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures

2013-08-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Looks like a great ride, Brian! Well done.

Funny you mention passing some carbon folks. I passed a guy climbing a 
section of single track. I was fully loaded and he was day riding. He 
looked a bit demoralized. But he passed me again at the top as I enjoyed a 
last pipe before heading out. It's the engine that matters most on a bike. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 9, 2013 12:22:46 AM UTC-6, Benedikt wrote:

 I loaded up my Sam and rode it on the Courage Classic again. 
 Pictures to prove it! - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/sets/72157634961282335/
 This year I even took my saddle bags and my digital SLR camera. This 
 brought the weight up to 47 pounds with empty water bottles. And actually 
 it wasn't that bad. I even passed some carbon peeps.

 The Courage Classic is a three day/170 mile ride right here in the 
 Washington Cascades. Each day climbs over a mountain pass. The Sam was a 
 huge hit. There was a small crowd formed around it many times taking 
 pictures and asking questions.  

 To the one person in the RBW Owners Brunch who made a donation thank you 
 again. If anyone else wants to donate here's the link to my fundraising 
 page. There's still time. 
 http://www.courageclassic.kintera.org/Brian_Pickart
 With your donation you're helping to stop the cycle of child abuse and 
 neglect . 100% of your donation goes directly to the charity. The web page 
 makes it appear that $25 dollars is the least you can give however ANY 
 amount can be entered in the box. $5, $10, $15, $20 dollars all gladly 
 accepted. Skip out on your morning latte. Feel good about helping kids and 
 a friend reach his fundraising goal!

 - Brian in Seattle


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[RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread doc
Veloria had a mixte with inverted Albas, and I've seen others with the same 
setup.  It gives the bike a somewhat agressive retro look with the same 
potential hand positions.  
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/04/upside-down.html

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:58:56 PM UTC-4, Ozonation wrote:

 I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar

 I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but 
 would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa 
 Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively 
 long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was 
 thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.

 However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and 
 this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I 
 just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or 
 Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on 
 rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more 
 MTB style) would be best.

 I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they 
 for longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of 
 Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good 
 reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what 
 looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos! 

 Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of 
 lends the above. 

 Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations? 
 Albatross? Other? 

 Thanks.


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[RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread doc
Here's a Hillborne that looks pretty sweet: 
http://endlessvelolove.blogspot.com/2012/01/albatross-handlebar.html

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:58:56 PM UTC-4, Ozonation wrote:

 I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar

 I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but 
 would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa 
 Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively 
 long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was 
 thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.

 However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and 
 this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I 
 just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or 
 Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on 
 rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more 
 MTB style) would be best.

 I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they 
 for longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of 
 Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good 
 reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what 
 looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos! 

 Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of 
 lends the above. 

 Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations? 
 Albatross? Other? 

 Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire bead won't seat/will unseat around valve area?

2013-08-09 Thread cyclotourist
25mm... I didn't know they made tires that narrow! :-)

On 8/8/13, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah, I guess thats what happened, even though I checked the bead before
 inflating. It seemed to just push itself out.

 Anyways, It was a 25 mm tire in both cases. I'm guessing the jack browns
 that are due to arrive soon will be less prone to this behaviour. I've never
 experienced the humping on fatter tires, including the Pasela 35s and the
 Nomad 32s.

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[RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread Johnny Alien
I am not a fan of them upside down.  If that is what you are after the 
moustache bars are much nicer IMO. 

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[RBW] FS: Riv Wooly warm T's, Brooks saddle covers, Thompson seatpost, White Industries chainring and tool

2013-08-09 Thread hobie
2- Riv Wooly Warm t-shirts made in New Zealand. Sizes S and M. Lightly used 
w. rear single pocket center, blue color similar to the Musa t's currently 
being sold on Riv site. The small has a small hole back of shirt midway 
center. Damn moths. Easy fix. Medium tag has faded. Both purchased at the 
same time.$25. each shipped
 
2- Brooks Swift saddle covers and spanner wrench new never used all for 
$25. shipped
 
White Industries Eno 30T chain ring black and lockring tool. $45.00 shipped
 
Thomson Elite 27.2 black seatpost $55.00 shipped

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[RBW] Re: Friction Brifter?

2013-08-09 Thread Chris Andress
Couldn't you also put the thumb shifters on the top bar, like on a mountain 
bike?  Seems easier than a stem shifter.  I like the retroshift idea 
myself.  I may have to give those a try!

Chris

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:35:10 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Is there one in existence?
  
 I love my Silver shifters, but would like a more convenient reach to a 
 shifter on drops.
 I have to keep drops below saddle height and the reach is a bit deep to 
 the bar ends.


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[RBW] Re: Any last suggestions before I have to throw my Bleriot in a dumpster?

2013-08-09 Thread Dave Johnston
If you almost never use the drops on a drop bar bike then right off the bat 
you should raise the bars an inch or more, until the drops actually are in 
a usable position. I'm gonna make that recommendation even for someone with 
no back pain. Seems silly to waste a hand position.

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:49:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:

 I am about to give up. Tearing my hair out. Aaargghhh Would appreciate 
 any ideas you all might have.
  
 Got pushed over by a car last fall. Low speed accident. Ever since, low 
 back hurts when I ride this bike.
 My other bikes are fine. My body is fine. MD says back hurting ain't from 
 the accident.
 So it is something with the Bleriot.
 Frame is in alignment. Checked by 2 shops.
 Rest of bike checked out ok, too.
 The rear rim did get bent, but I got a new symmetrical (not off center) 
 Synergy rim replacement that is true.
  
 Been replacing structural support components lately in case something got 
 bent that isn't visible to the eye.
 Like bars, stem, saddle. Back still hurts. Tonight I will swap out the 
 seat post.
  
 The last thing I can imagine would be new cranks/drivetrain.
  
 But I really don't wanna spend the dough unless it is possible the crank 
 arms were bent in the accident. The bike just fell over as I bailed onto 
 the hood of the car. And bike cranks look strong, so I doubt they are bent. 
 At least to the eye they look good. Pedals measure equidistant from top and 
 sides to crank arms, so they aren't bent.
  
 Any ideas? I am getting so frustrated and don't want to have to give up 
 riding this beautiful bike.
  


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[RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread Marc Irwin
Bullmoose Bosco.  They make a much greater range of positions possible than 
any other, including drops.  Albatross don't provide as effective aero 
positions as the Bosco can, and the width on the Bosco's is just incredibly 
comfortable.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ORFXcHwjpMo/UgUC1-rd2_I/EWg/EObwxX-doJQ/s1600/IMG_0243.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qxWlmz7aqBg/UgUC_WVkZKI/EWo/vZ-T4ewT-Tg/s1600/IMG_0246.JPG
I have them partially wrapped in VO elkhide now, but you get the idea.  The 
knobs are stoker knobs I set in a comfortable position to lean all day, 
like riding the hoods on drops.

Marc

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:58:56 PM UTC-4, Ozonation wrote:

 I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar

 I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but 
 would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa 
 Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively 
 long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was 
 thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.

 However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and 
 this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I 
 just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or 
 Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on 
 rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more 
 MTB style) would be best.

 I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they 
 for longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of 
 Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good 
 reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what 
 looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos! 

 Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of 
 lends the above. 

 Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations? 
 Albatross? Other? 

 Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Christopher Chen
You mean this one? :-) http://flickr.com/photos/99743766@N00/9288119129
On Aug 8, 2013 11:21 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:

 L, L, Love that!  Best feature on the betty!  The heart is part of what
 sold me on the Hunqa!

 Congrats, Cecily!  You will love her!  I just stared at one longingly
 today on a visit to Free Range in Seattle.

 Brian
 Seattle, WA

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, WA


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Cecily Walker cecily.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 Proof that she's here in my possession. I still can't believe I own one
 of these bikes after wanting one for so long.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread SteveD
Agreed. I don't post much here, but I read the list every morning with a 
cup of coffee before I start work. This listserv is definetly worth hanging 
around in. The information and stories are both valuable and entertaining. 
It's a great group. Stay in the group, Tom. You won't regret it, either way.

Steve DeMont 
Seattle, WA
'03 Atlantis

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:19:22 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:

 Tom - it's worth some frustration to stick this group out.  Best listserv 
 I've been a part of.  Ever.

 Brian
 Seattle, WA

 Brian Hanson
 Seattle, WA


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the 
 list are moderated 'til the admins have determined you're a real live 
 Riv-person. Welcome!

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom

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[RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

2013-08-09 Thread fulf
I started with Bullmoose bars on my Hunqapillar. Switched to Albas for a 
bit but found them to be too upright for my riding style. Too much weight 
was on the seat and there wasn't enough stretch. I found that most of my 
riding was on the curve of the Albas and not too comfortable. Then I lopped 
1.5 inches off the ends of the Bullmoose and went back to them. They are 
great for trail riding and all around riding. I highly recommend them.


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[RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

2013-08-09 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Another hit and run on a poor innocent critter... I have a provocative 
question for you, Tony.  Was Rocky proceeding 'in the lane' at a reasonable 
speed when you rolled over him?  DID you perhaps have just a little bit of 
rage in your heart???  It's bad enough there's no more funding for 
squirrel-lanes...we need to publicize this growing problemShare the 
road, stop the madness!!!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NZiUv_mUTnI/UgUG-uqaH3I/EbA/llMhAsi01BY/s1600/Squarrow.jpg
*(Disclaimer: all in jest... Peace, BB)*




On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:10:12 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 The subject popped into my head a moment after I ran over a squirell this 
 morning on my 650b x 42mm hetres and I saw him scamper off, and up a 
 tree... can't say he's completely ok, but it looks like he had a decent 
 shot.  First time I've actually hit a critter on the bike, I've heard of a 
 friend taking a rabbit into the spokes of his wheel with predictably 
 unpleasant results, but always managed to avoid them myself.  

 On a rider safety angle... I can report that squirrel-sized trail debri 
 doesn't even redirect my bike when rolling at about 14-15mph!

 Tony



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[RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

2013-08-09 Thread Montclair BobbyB
*FYI, this traffic symbol is known as a Squarrow...*

On Friday, August 9, 2013 11:21:36 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Another hit and run on a poor innocent critter... I have a provocative 
 question for you, Tony.  Was Rocky proceeding 'in the lane' at a reasonable 
 speed when you rolled over him?  DID you perhaps have just a little bit of 
 rage in your heart???  It's bad enough there's no more funding for 
 squirrel-lanes...we need to publicize this growing problemShare the 
 road, stop the madness!!!


 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NZiUv_mUTnI/UgUG-uqaH3I/EbA/llMhAsi01BY/s1600/Squarrow.jpg
 *(Disclaimer: all in jest... Peace, BB)*




 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:10:12 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 The subject popped into my head a moment after I ran over a squirell this 
 morning on my 650b x 42mm hetres and I saw him scamper off, and up a 
 tree... can't say he's completely ok, but it looks like he had a decent 
 shot.  First time I've actually hit a critter on the bike, I've heard of a 
 friend taking a rabbit into the spokes of his wheel with predictably 
 unpleasant results, but always managed to avoid them myself.  

 On a rider safety angle... I can report that squirrel-sized trail debri 
 doesn't even redirect my bike when rolling at about 14-15mph!

 Tony



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[RBW] Re: Stolen Royal H Mixte Ventura

2013-08-09 Thread Pammie
And, I believe this was bike was talked about before on the blog -- if you 
know anyone in Socal --  please forward. . . . I am heartbroken -- I bought 
the frame from Lovely Bicycle (a popular blog) -- and Bryan Hollingsworth 
(the framebuilder) at Royal H says he had another bike stolen last week -- 
so careful with your babies!!


On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:03:58 PM UTC-7, Pammie wrote:

 Hi all,

 I love reading this forum and have a similar type of hand built bike - a 
 Royal H Mixte with custom Peter White Son Dynamo wheelset. . . .  It was 
 stolen out of the garage this week while I was in DC.  My partner thinks it 
 could be that left the garage door open for just a few hours before going 
 to bed one evening but it would not have been long.  When I arrived home, I 
 immediately saw it gone. . . 

 If anyone come across it please let me know -- Ventura Police Department 
 has also been notified, and I have notified all the bike shops!  It's 
 really one of a kind. . . I'm sick about it.  

 I bought the frame from bike blogger Lovely Bike a year ago and have used 
 it for rides of 30+ miles.  We have kept it in the house off and on -- but 
 live in a very safe neighborhood. I've never had a bike stolen as an adult. 
I also have a new Acorn bag on the front. S

 The police believe it is carnies -- we have a park and ride about 4 blocks 
 from the house and the fair is in town and we are, apparently, in the 
 middle of a crime spree.  I do have insurance but I am still heartbroken.

 My build (although I have cream delta cruisers on it now):
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/76332248@N06/9452690851/

 Here the frame on the builder site:
 http://royalhcycles.com/lovelybike-mixte/

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Tonester
I predict that Grant will - within one week - introduce a new color for 
special order: Australian Rust Brown

On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:56:55 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Lovely! Thanks for posting.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:07:31 PM UTC-6, futch wrote:


 http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/



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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Hey there Tom - 

I replied to your email last night.  You were moderated.  That was changed. 
Your posts should now go through. 

If you do plan on unsubscribing, send an email to 
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with the subscription.

Sorry for the slight delay in responding to your queued posts and email 
last evening - was pretty busy this week.

all the best from admin land

- Jim cyclofiend.com

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 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Schiller
there is already  a nice powdercoat in that color. Bruce Gordon uses it. 

On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:30:19 AM UTC-7, Tonester wrote:

 I predict that Grant will - within one week - introduce a new color for 
 special order: Australian Rust Brown


~mike 

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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread Kieran J
When I first joined the group and began posting, there would typically be a 1 
or 2-day lag until my post would show up. Hard to be part of a convo that way.

But fret not; its only temporary. Now my posts come through instantaneously. I 
guess it was determined i was real. Indeed worth it!

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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Virgil
Looks like it is raining messages, now.  Appreciate the encouragement from 
all of you.  I think it will be well worth it to stay on.  What a great 
group.

Thanks

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 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom


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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
A, shucks. [Kicks dirt with barefoot] You're only saying that cause you 
don't know us yet. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 9, 2013 10:19:24 AM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Looks like it is raining messages, now.  Appreciate the encouragement from 
 all of you.  I think it will be well worth it to stay on.  What a great 
 group.

 Thanks

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 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom



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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread hsmitham
Love it! Truly Beausage...really like how they attached the burlap rolls to 
the forks who needs racks!

~Hugh

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 http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires/Wheels for new Sam Hillborne

2013-08-09 Thread Minh
double-check with riv but many schwalbes come in undersize relative to the 
label, my 35's actually measure 33, i think the 40/42 supremes come in 
around 37.  if you have the space (and on my hillborne with 48m steel 
fenders i can handle a 37) then i suggest as much tire as possible.  


On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:29:15 PM UTC-4, Mark Taintor wrote:

 Thanks for all your thoughts everyone. I've been convinced to stay with 
 the 700c wheels that it was designed for. 

 Now as to my other question, 40mm Supremes vs 35mm Supremes? Any reason to 
 pick one over the other? 
 Mark



 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM, William tape...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 Good one, Steve, and excellent point.  

 If you decide that you don't mind the fact that you can't equip your bike 
 with brakes in 1) then you could work around the too low BB in 2) by 
 running too short cranks.  Best of all, run no cranks or BB at all, since 
 you'll probably want your feet on the ground anyway to provide Fred 
 Flintstone braking.  You could make it into an adult sized skuut bike! 
  That would be fun!  





 On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:32:36 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 08/07/2013 12:53 PM, William wrote:
  
 You can not run 650B wheels on a 700C Sam Hillborne.  The reasons are 
 threefold


  2.  Drop.  Grant already dialed the frame design of the Hillborne for 
 700xfat tires.  Among those things that are dialed is the BB drop.  Run 
 smaller diameter wheels, and *your already low BB height will be in 
 true pedal-scraping territory. * Virtually all recent 700c Rivendells 
 are lousy candidates for 650B conversion for that reason.  The roadier Riv 
 models of several years ago are good candidates because they were designed 
 for 700xskinny and have less drop.


 ...unless you use very short cranks.



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[RBW] Re: FS 60cm Quickbeam

2013-08-09 Thread Minh
Wow great deal for someone in SF!

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:52:43 PM UTC-4, Colin Warner wrote:

 FS: 60cm Quickbeam - complete bike. 2nd Edition Orange. $1000.

 Before I put this on Ebay, I thought I would give the group a chance. This 
 bike was used for rides around Walnut Creek with part of that ride 
 including almost always including a jaunt up in the Shell Ridge Open Space, 
 Rivendell's unofficial test track (?)

 2006 model. Noodle bars. Pretty much stock with a few minor changes: I 
 changed the 40 tooth chainring to a 42 as I was spinning and coasting too 
 much in the flat valley of Walnut Creek. The 18-toot freewheel was changed 
 to a White Industries 16-18. A 22-tooth White Industries was put on the 
 other side of the flip-flop hub. The chain length is set so that the 
 following combos can be used: 42/16, 42/18, 42/22, 32/22. The bar stem was 
 also changed from a 11cm to a 7cm.

 If you are not in the SF Bay Area and need it shipped, contact Rivendell 
 and contract the service with them, I think it will cost around $200.



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RE: [RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
So does Mike Flanigan at A.N.T. - here:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8087136241/in/set-72157630285823166/


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Schiller
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 12:00 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

there is already  a nice powdercoat in that color. Bruce Gordon uses it.
[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EsXWsbFKUsg/UY0-ZbmWYTI/AZk/P32mNWeblp0/s1600/IMG_2066-2.jpg]
On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:30:19 AM UTC-7, Tonester wrote:
I predict that Grant will - within one week - introduce a new color for special 
order: Australian Rust Brown

~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires/Wheels for new Sam Hillborne

2013-08-09 Thread William
The reasons to pick the 40s are:

more comfy, more durable, more traction, more safety, no slower

The reasons to pick the 35s are:  

you are a gram-counter and want the lighter ones or you are forced to 35s 
because the 40s won't fit

 

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:29:15 PM UTC-7, Mark Taintor wrote:

 Thanks for all your thoughts everyone. I've been convinced to stay with 
 the 700c wheels that it was designed for. 

 Now as to my other question, 40mm Supremes vs 35mm Supremes? Any reason to 
 pick one over the other? 
 Mark



 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM, William tape...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 Good one, Steve, and excellent point.  

 If you decide that you don't mind the fact that you can't equip your bike 
 with brakes in 1) then you could work around the too low BB in 2) by 
 running too short cranks.  Best of all, run no cranks or BB at all, since 
 you'll probably want your feet on the ground anyway to provide Fred 
 Flintstone braking.  You could make it into an adult sized skuut bike! 
  That would be fun!  





 On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:32:36 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 08/07/2013 12:53 PM, William wrote:
  
 You can not run 650B wheels on a 700C Sam Hillborne.  The reasons are 
 threefold


  2.  Drop.  Grant already dialed the frame design of the Hillborne for 
 700xfat tires.  Among those things that are dialed is the BB drop.  Run 
 smaller diameter wheels, and *your already low BB height will be in 
 true pedal-scraping territory. * Virtually all recent 700c Rivendells 
 are lousy candidates for 650B conversion for that reason.  The roadier Riv 
 models of several years ago are good candidates because they were designed 
 for 700xskinny and have less drop.


 ...unless you use very short cranks.



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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread Montclair BobbyB
*OK we convinced him... let the hazing rituals continue... *

On Friday, August 9, 2013 12:19:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Looks like it is raining messages, now.  Appreciate the encouragement from 
 all of you.  I think it will be well worth it to stay on.  What a great 
 group.

 Thanks

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom



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[RBW] FS: Riv Wooly warm T's, Brooks saddle covers, Thompson seatpost, White Industries chainring and tool

2013-08-09 Thread Evan Spacht
I will snag the small shirt if available . Thanks , evan 

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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

2013-08-09 Thread William
It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!.

I just heard about the source of that idiom on a replay of Wait, Wait 
Don't Tell Me on NPR.  It's most commonly considered a reference to Errol 
Flynn, who had a notoriously easy time with the ladies.  When you 
effortlessly accomplish something, you are in like Flynn.  Google it, 
it's pretty entertaining stuff.  

There's one variant where in like Flynn means you effortlessly did 
something bad, and not only succeeded, but you also got away with it, 
unpunished.  That also refers to Errol Flynn, who had to go to trial for 
his exploits with an underage girlfriend.  He was acquitted, which added to 
his notorious rep.  

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:15:47 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the 
 list are moderated 'til the admins have determined you're a real live 
 Riv-person. Welcome!

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

 Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
 mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
 it).   I am done.

 Best regards to all of you Riv riders.

 Tom



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[RBW] Re: Greetings! - 64cm Atlantis?

2013-08-09 Thread Minh
Hi Tony,

Welcome to the family, i'm also in the DC area (Falls Church here), so 
contact me off-line if you need any help building it up or raiding my parts 
bin!  BTW which co-op do you go to?


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[RBW] Re: Stolen Royal H Mixte Ventura

2013-08-09 Thread Cecily Walker
How disappointing. I hope your bike is recovered and returned to you!

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:03:58 PM UTC-7, Pammie wrote:

 Hi all,

 I love reading this forum and have a similar type of hand built bike - a 
 Royal H Mixte with custom Peter White Son Dynamo wheelset. . . .  It was 
 stolen out of the garage this week while I was in DC.  My partner thinks it 
 could be that left the garage door open for just a few hours before going 
 to bed one evening but it would not have been long.  When I arrived home, I 
 immediately saw it gone. . . 

 If anyone come across it please let me know -- Ventura Police Department 
 has also been notified, and I have notified all the bike shops!  It's 
 really one of a kind. . . I'm sick about it.  

 I bought the frame from bike blogger Lovely Bike a year ago and have used 
 it for rides of 30+ miles.  We have kept it in the house off and on -- but 
 live in a very safe neighborhood. I've never had a bike stolen as an adult. 
I also have a new Acorn bag on the front. S

 The police believe it is carnies -- we have a park and ride about 4 blocks 
 from the house and the fair is in town and we are, apparently, in the 
 middle of a crime spree.  I do have insurance but I am still heartbroken.

 My build (although I have cream delta cruisers on it now):
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/76332248@N06/9452690851/

 Here the frame on the builder site:
 http://royalhcycles.com/lovelybike-mixte/

 Warm regards, Pam (805) 856-8370 



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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread DianeB
Oh, thanks, Tonester.  Now I've got water all over my keyboard!

 
On Friday, August 9, 2013 9:30:19 AM UTC-6, Tonester wrote:

 I predict that Grant will - within one week - introduce a new color for 
 special order: Australian Rust Brown

 On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:56:55 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Lovely! Thanks for posting.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:07:31 PM UTC-6, futch wrote:


 http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/



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[RBW] Re: Greetings! - 64cm Atlantis?

2013-08-09 Thread William
Tony

Build feedback.  If you haven't tried the MKS Sneakers, give them a try. 
 Maybe the sneakers will go on the Trek, freeing up the Grip Kings for the 
Atlantis, but every stable should have one set of sneakers.  If you are 
dead-set on paying the money for Grip Kings, then treat your self to a pair 
of Thin Gripsters, also for comparison's sake.  

Your black Tektro brakes can be made silver.  They polish up nice

I have a wheelset you might like.  Contact me off list and we could talk.  

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:37:44 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 Well now that the introductions are complete I guess I need to start 
 contemplating my build!!!  Based on parts I've got lying around I'm 
 planning an interim, minimal-investment build to get me riding and figure 
 out my priorities.  I'd love to hear feedback on it!

 64cm Atlantis (unless a trade comes through for a 60-62 size)
 Stem - Nitto Dirt Drop
 H-bars - Original Moustache, friction bar-ends, (need some road levers) / 
 I've also got a pair of noodle bars ready as an alternative
 Seatpost - SR long set-back model that came with the frame
 Seat - Brooks B67, black
 Pedals - needed... love my 'grip kings' on the Trek, probably ordering 
 another pair
 Brakes - Tektro 720 Canti's (black... unfortunately)
 Crankset - TA triple (came with frame)
 Front Derailleur - needed...
 Rear Derailleur - Deore DX RD-M650 (old long cage originally for 7 speed 
 SIS... think it will handle 8 or 9 speed friction?)
 Cassette/FW - needed, wheelset dependant
 Wheels - NEEDED... biggest hole.  First option is to source on from my 
 local co-op or the community of guys who belong there, second option will 
 be a 'value set' from Handspun wheels via QBP (thanks Eric!)
 Tires - just noticed these Nomad 'Resist' 45mm lightweight slicks from 
 QBP... not as fat as the big apples but I can get two for the price of one 
 and it'll still be fatter than my current 42mm hetre's

 Other:

 Cable housing - color?
 Bar tape (newbaums's over inner tubes) - color?
 Fenders - SKS longboards... need to buy, I've got VO Zeppelin's on the 
 Trek, but as the Atlantis will be offroad more having the quick release 
 will be good.
 Lights - dyno lighting... The trek has a shimano hub and Supernova 
 head/tail light combo.  If the Atlantis becomes my primary commuter then 
 I'd want to get the dyno setup over to it sooner than later.  (700C dyno 
 wheel build in my future)
 Bell - incredibell... waiting in the package for a new home
 Racks - NEEDED... some kind of front rack to support a wald basket 

 She won't be the best dressed Atlantis out there right away... but I 
 should be rolling within a couple weeks.  What do you think?!?

 Tony




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[RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-09 Thread Liesl
Anne, I just love it when you lay down a long delightfully written post 
like that!  Just love it.

I also am so inspired at your can-do attitude.  I know from the S24O that 
the Riv crew did last March that you are no slouch.  There, I too found 
myself having the last biker thoughts and to know that you have them too 
is, again, an inspiration.  It's one of the things that I love about this 
group in general as evidenced in the write-ups here and in my experience 
with riders in this group:  there are all kinds a speeds, skills, styles, 
strengths...you name it... and no one is belittled.  Manny IS incomparable 
in his dirt riding prowess and his red union suit (as are others but 
without the red union suit) but I never felt judged once as I huffed and 
puffed my way pushing the hunq up the foothills.  And Anne, you and Jenny 
were dusting me, too!

This is what Just Ride is all about.

Again, great reading here on the list.  I think our best work/threads 
should turn into a book that's a collection of essays.

yours,
Liesl


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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Liesl
Hey Cecily, This is the place to ask questions; I know, cause I've asked a 
bunch of questions of this list and they are always met with helpful 
responses.  One of my mottoes is, If it were easy, it wouldn't be hard!  
Things are easy if you know the answers/understand/the problem's already 
solved.  

It's gonna be a great Betty!  You'll love it!

-Riv Chica Warrior

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Michael
I don't see a lick a paint on those bikes.
 
I guess they are just bare steel or iron.

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Michael


 Wait,...I think there is hope for that guy who had the Can my saddle be 
 saved thread on here a couple weeks ago.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Anne Paulson
One of my mottoes is, If it's worth doing, it's worth doing badly.
People sometimes get afraid of doing something because they won't do
it well, but that is letting one's perfectionism get in the way of
living one's life. Just because you can't ride like insert fast bike
rider's name here or paint like El Greco or sing like Pavarotti or
cook like Thomas Keller doesn't mean you shouldn't ride, and sing, and
paint, and cook. If you do it, you'll probably get better, and even if
you don't get better, there is virtue and enjoyment in doing it
yourself.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
 Hey Cecily, This is the place to ask questions; I know, cause I've asked a
 bunch of questions of this list and they are always met with helpful
 responses.  One of my mottoes is, If it were easy, it wouldn't be hard!
 Things are easy if you know the answers/understand/the problem's already
 solved.

 It's gonna be a great Betty!  You'll love it!

 -Riv Chica Warrior

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Re: [RBW] Re: La Ruta Loquitica (The A Little Bit Crazy Ride)

2013-08-09 Thread Anne Paulson
Let me make it perfectly clear that on the ride no rider uttered one
word of deprecation that I was the slowest (at least in my presence).
Not one syllable.

I called the initial post La Ruta Loquitica because there was much
talk during the ride about whether some of the riders ought to do the
randonnee La Ruta Loca:

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1759191

The thing to notice about that 200K ride is that it includes pretty
much everything we did in our trip in two days, and a whole lot more
off-road stuff too. Which the rider is to do in one day. That should
give people a good idea of the strength of some of the riders on the
ride: they are very strong indeed if they are considering doing that
route.

And I hope to hear a recap here, if some of you guys do decide to do
La Ruta Loca.


  It's one of the things that I love about this group
 in general as evidenced in the write-ups here and in my experience with
 riders in this group:  there are all kinds a speeds, skills, styles,
 strengths...you name it... and no one is belittled.  Manny IS incomparable
 in his dirt riding prowess and his red union suit (as are others but without
 the red union suit) but I never felt judged once as I huffed and puffed my
 way pushing the hunq up the foothills.

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[RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

2013-08-09 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Bobby - that 'Squarrow' is brilliant!!!

There were a pair of them, I'm pretty sure they were under the influence of 
some halucinogenic acorns... or perhaps some toxic waste they just 
jumped onto the path giving me no time or place to swerve!


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[RBW] Re: H. Homer Hilsen goes to the North Country. A ride report and flick link

2013-08-09 Thread Iron Rider


  I spent my youth climbing the White mountains in summer, and skiing them 
 in the winter.

 
You have have been a strong youth!

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[RBW] Re: Tires/Wheels for new Sam Hillborne

2013-08-09 Thread Michael
Two concerns: Tire height and tire width.
 
*Tire Width:*
RBW says that the P45 Longboard fits tires up to 45m wide.
 
*Tire Height:*
You have to think about the *height* of the tire and being able to have 
enough clearance to sandwich the fender and brake arms between the top of 
the tire and bottom of the fork crown, and will there be enough clearance 
for the brake arms to move without them smushing down on the fender.
 
Now, running a 35 tire should be able to get you more space vertically 
between the top of the tire and the bottom of fork crown, if a 40 doesn't 
work. So you could mount the fender further away from the brake arms if 
more space is needed so they do not contact the fender. That is the only 
benefit I can think of to having a narrower tire. Other than a narrower 
tire looks cool.
 
For instance, both my 52 Sam and 55 Bleriot have their P45 Longboard 
fenders mounted as high as they will go under the fork crowns in order to 
accommodate my 650b x 42mm Marathons (Sam) and 650bx42mm Hetre tires (on 
Bleriot) with my Tektro R559 brake calipers on both bikes.
 
I have about 1.5 mm of space between the bottom of Tektro brake arm and the 
fender on the Sam with marathon. The space grows as the brakes are applied. 
It is tight, but works great. Brakes do not touch fenders, and their is 
plenty of clearance for the tires.
About 3mm of clearance between the Bleriot Tektro R559 brakes and the 
fender with Hetres. Plenty-o-space.
 
(BTW, the Marathons are called 42mm and the Hetres are called 42mm width 
tires by their manufacturers, but both measure 40.5mm width on synergy rims 
at 55 psi).
 

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[RBW] Re: Cork grips glue suggestions?

2013-08-09 Thread Michael


 I used the Permatex Form-a-gasket 1B stuff because it was right there in 
 the auto store.

I was thinking about hairspray though, since others have liked it and it 
meant not having to buy anything.
Wow! You sure can buy a lot of stuff for bikes.
 
Thanks for the tip about being careful when mounting so as not to break the 
grips.
I took it slow and easy sliding them on and twisting them into place.
Three coats of shellac on them now.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone! 

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[RBW] Re: Alba Sam 25 mile ride ruined

2013-08-09 Thread Michael


 I was on the way back home and passed my friend's neighborhood where the 
 ruins are so I figured I would do a fly by.

 
When you look outside the front door of the house, the ruins are right 
across the street.
Pretty neat view to have. 

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[RBW] Re: H. Homer Hilsen goes to the North Country. A ride report and flick link

2013-08-09 Thread LeahFoy
Sounds dreamy I never get out of the neighborhood with the bike. Maybe in 
about 10 years...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread dougP
..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific 
Surf liner?

When you book your ticket you also need to add a bike.  There's no charge 
but it reserves space on the train for your wheels.  Amtrak's policy on the 
Surfliner is 6 bikes total per train BUT since it's new enforcement has not 
been stringent.  I've used them 2X since it started  had a bike 
reservation both times.  

A random twist that may occur is type if equipment.  If the train is made 
up of the newer, double deck passenger cars, look for a blue bicycle logo 
on a car toward one end or the other.  You can just wheel your bike on that 
without removing panniers.  Melanie  I happened to have this set-up on all 
3 trains we used on our tour.  

BUT if the train is the older, single deck cars, they have steep steps up 
into the car.  If that's the case, you need to corral the conductor (he'll 
actually be looking for you if you have a reservation) and LIFT your bike 
up to the floor level of the baggage car, about shoulder height.  I can't 
do this with any amount of panniers.  Same drill getting off.  The 
conductor has to go into the car and hand your bike down to you on the 
platform.  This was what I encountered on both trains I used a couple of 
weeks ago, and it was in Ventura that I found out about it.  

dougP

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:10:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track in 
 the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head North 
 to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 pm or 
 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts? 

 Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just 
 thought I'd mention it.

 Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific 
 Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca



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[RBW] Re: Frame trivia; Squeezed chainstays and double-tapered seatstays; Ram v. AHH

2013-08-09 Thread William
Yes

My A Homer Hilsen has beautifully squeezed chainstays to clear fat tires, 
and it features very swank double-tapered seatstays.  

On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 2:27:37 PM UTC-7, mho wrote:

 Years ago the Ram was touted as having beautifully squeezed chainstays (to 
 clear fatter tires and the big chainring) and custom made double-tapered 
 seatstays (in 3 different lengths).
 Did these features make it over to the AHH design?  What say ye, AHH 
 owners?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Hugh Smitham
Thanks Doug, I did make the bicycle reservation. I should have been more
specific with my question.  I was concerned with the Pacific Surf Liner and
bicycle transport boxed or not. Thankfully you have covered it. Thanks,

-Hugh
On Aug 9, 2013 3:08 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 ..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific
 Surf liner?

 When you book your ticket you also need to add a bike.  There's no
 charge but it reserves space on the train for your wheels.  Amtrak's policy
 on the Surfliner is 6 bikes total per train BUT since it's new enforcement
 has not been stringent.  I've used them 2X since it started  had a bike
 reservation both times.

 A random twist that may occur is type if equipment.  If the train is made
 up of the newer, double deck passenger cars, look for a blue bicycle logo
 on a car toward one end or the other.  You can just wheel your bike on that
 without removing panniers.  Melanie  I happened to have this set-up on all
 3 trains we used on our tour.

 BUT if the train is the older, single deck cars, they have steep steps up
 into the car.  If that's the case, you need to corral the conductor (he'll
 actually be looking for you if you have a reservation) and LIFT your bike
 up to the floor level of the baggage car, about shoulder height.  I can't
 do this with any amount of panniers.  Same drill getting off.  The
 conductor has to go into the car and hand your bike down to you on the
 platform.  This was what I encountered on both trains I used a couple of
 weeks ago, and it was in Ventura that I found out about it.

 dougP

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:10:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track in
 the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head North
 to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 pm or
 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts?

 Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just
 thought I'd mention it.

 Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the
 Pacific Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca

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[RBW] Re: Anyone done a metric century or longer on Albas?

2013-08-09 Thread Michael


 I stand/climb on my Albas with an 8 cm stem.

Best standing riding/climbing I have ever had. Better than drops.
 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone done a metric century or longer on Albas?

2013-08-09 Thread Michael


 What saddles do you all use on your upright bikes with Albas?


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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Matt Beebe
Fascinating!   The photo of the guy moving camp certainly gives modern 
bike packing a run for the money. And the stories.. how about the guy 
who killed a 5 and a half foot snake that had just slithered across his 
face while he slept!

I also notice, the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have 
existed back then.Didn't trouble those guys apparently.   Bicycles had 
just replaced the horse after all.


Matt



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 http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/


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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Waterford Hillborne frameset, lots of Riv-related parts and bits

2013-08-09 Thread cbone97


Hi, if you'll consider shipping, I'd love to buy the frame and maybe the 
LX/Dyad front wheel.  Lemme know or email me - sorry I couldn't figure out 
how to email you directly.  Thanks, Charles in Columbia MO


On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:37:47 PM UTC-5, gordo wrote:

 Hi all,

 Grad school is starting in two weeks and I need to move some things to pay 
 for books.  I'd really prefer to sell the Hillborne and Miyata framesets, 
 as well as the  wheels locally (I'm in San Francisco).  Everything else can 
 be shipped if need be - please add $5 to cover shipping (we can works 
 something out for multiple items).  Pictures of most items can be found 
 here: 
 http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/gordo2231/library/grad%20school%20sale%20bike%20parts?page=1

 The list:

 1) 56 cm orange Rivendell Sam Hillborne frame/fork/headset/bottom 
 bracket/Kalloy seatpost. Built by Waterford (double top tube model with 
 cantilever posts). Paint has issues - lots of non-matching touch-up paint 
 and a few decent scratches provided by previous owner. The frame is 
 straight and dent/crack-free with about 2,500 miles on it. - $700 

 2) Brooks B67 Aged saddle (brown) with maybe 100 miles on it - $80

 3) Rivendell Silver bar-end shifters - $50

 4) Tektro R536 sidepull brakes with recessed mounts (appear to have been 
 mounted and barely used) - $30 

 5) Rivendell Silver sidepull brakes with recessed mounts - just checked 
 and the pads have plenty of life left - $60

 6) Nitto Technomic 110 mm quill stem with 26 mm clamp - $35

 7) daVinci shifter cable splitter set-up - new in bag - $25

 8) Cockpit: Nitto technomic 90 mm stem with 26 mm clamp, 44 cm Nitto 
 Noodle handlebars, Silver bar-ends and Shimano Tiagra aero levers wrapped 
 in very well-used Toshi leather tape: $125 local sale or $140 shipped

 9) Front wheel - SON dynamo hub (older style no longer made in 32-hole 
 configuration) laced to 700c Velocity Dyad 32-hole rim with rimtape and 
 locking skewer (handbuilt with very low mileage): $250

 10) Front wheel - Shimano LX 36-hole front hub laced to 700c Velocity Dyad 
 rim with rim tape and Shimano quick-release skewer (handbuilt and very 
 lightly used): $75




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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have existed back then.

Which photo gives you that idea? They all look in the ball park, given 
baggy pants and camera angles.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:09:45 PM UTC-6, Matt Beebe wrote:

 Fascinating!   The photo of the guy moving camp certainly gives modern 
 bike packing a run for the money. And the stories.. how about the guy 
 who killed a 5 and a half foot snake that had just slithered across his 
 face while he slept!

 I also notice, the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have 
 existed back then.Didn't trouble those guys apparently.   Bicycles had 
 just replaced the horse after all.


 Matt



 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:07:31 PM UTC-4, futch wrote:


 http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/



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[RBW] Re: Anyone done a metric century or longer on Albas?

2013-08-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
B-68

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:06:23 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 What saddles do you all use on your upright bikes with Albas?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone done a metric century or longer on Albas?

2013-08-09 Thread Robert F. Harrison
B-17 (not just with Albas - pretty much with everything).

Bob


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 B-68

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:06:23 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 What saddles do you all use on your upright bikes with Albas?

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Matt Beebe
I just mean compared to some modern bikepacking setups, e.g.:
http://bikeshopgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bikepacking1.jpeg

Matt

On Friday, August 9, 2013 7:17:54 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have existed back 
 then.

 Which photo gives you that idea? They all look in the ball park, given 
 baggy pants and camera angles.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:09:45 PM UTC-6, Matt Beebe wrote:

 Fascinating!   The photo of the guy moving camp certainly gives modern 
 bike packing a run for the money. And the stories.. how about the guy 
 who killed a 5 and a half foot snake that had just slithered across his 
 face while he slept!

 I also notice, the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have 
 existed back then.Didn't trouble those guys apparently.   Bicycles had 
 just replaced the horse after all.


 Matt



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 http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/



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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Soba Handlebars

2013-08-09 Thread Johnny Alien
Still looking!

On Monday, June 24, 2013 10:57:18 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:

 I am looking for a set of Soba Handlebars.  I am not sure what actual 
 sizes they came in but I am looking for 42 or 44.  Anyone?

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread numbnuts
Manuel,
Thanks for sharing the article. For me, a great read.

Smooth tracks for you.
Chris
Redding, Can.

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread numbnuts
Manuel,
Thanks for sharing the article. For me, a great read.

Smooth tracks for you.
Chris
Redding, Can.

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread numbnuts
Loops. Thanks to the OP. Tablets and I do not get along. Over and out.

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[RBW] Re: Talk about beausage!

2013-08-09 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ah. Gotcha. I was going by Riv. standards.

WIth abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:30:22 PM UTC-6, Matt Beebe wrote:

 I just mean compared to some modern bikepacking setups, e.g.:
 http://bikeshopgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bikepacking1.jpeg

 Matt

 On Friday, August 9, 2013 7:17:54 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have existed back 
 then.

 Which photo gives you that idea? They all look in the ball park, given 
 baggy pants and camera angles.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:09:45 PM UTC-6, Matt Beebe wrote:

 Fascinating!   The photo of the guy moving camp certainly gives modern 
 bike packing a run for the money. And the stories.. how about the guy 
 who killed a 5 and a half foot snake that had just slithered across his 
 face while he slept!

 I also notice, the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have 
 existed back then.Didn't trouble those guys apparently.   Bicycles had 
 just replaced the horse after all.


 Matt



 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 4:07:31 PM UTC-4, futch wrote:


 http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/



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[RBW] Re: WTS: Red 650b Hetres WTB: Albastache and Black Hetres

2013-08-09 Thread mike goldman
if the Hetres are available i would like buy them. please respond to my 
personal email mikel66...@juno.com

mike goldman
warwick,r.i.

On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:02:26 AM UTC-4, Eric Stocker wrote:

 Hey everyone,

 I'm looking for a set of Nitto Albastache bars and a set of Grand Bois 
 Hetres in BLACK

 I'm selling or trading the following:
 Nitto Randonneur bars 42cm - $30 
 Nitto Noodles 44cm  - $30
 Salsa Woodchipper bars - $50
 Grand Bois Hetre in Red/Tan (nearly brand new, less than 100 miles) - $55 
 Grand Bois Cypres 32mm tires - (only for trade for set of Hetres)

 Thanks!


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[RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures

2013-08-09 Thread Benedikt
Yeah I just tell people I cut the weight here (pointing to myself).

On Friday, August 9, 2013 6:05:02 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Looks like a great ride, Brian! Well done.

 Funny you mention passing some carbon folks. I passed a guy climbing a 
 section of single track. I was fully loaded and he was day riding. He 
 looked a bit demoralized. But he passed me again at the top as I enjoyed a 
 last pipe before heading out. It's the engine that matters most on a bike. 
 Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, August 9, 2013 12:22:46 AM UTC-6, Benedikt wrote:

 I loaded up my Sam and rode it on the Courage Classic again. 
 Pictures to prove it! - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/sets/72157634961282335/
 This year I even took my saddle bags and my digital SLR camera. This 
 brought the weight up to 47 pounds with empty water bottles. And actually 
 it wasn't that bad. I even passed some carbon peeps.

 The Courage Classic is a three day/170 mile ride right here in the 
 Washington Cascades. Each day climbs over a mountain pass. The Sam was a 
 huge hit. There was a small crowd formed around it many times taking 
 pictures and asking questions.  

 To the one person in the RBW Owners Brunch who made a donation thank you 
 again. If anyone else wants to donate here's the link to my fundraising 
 page. There's still time. 
 http://www.courageclassic.kintera.org/Brian_Pickart
 With your donation you're helping to stop the cycle of child abuse and 
 neglect . 100% of your donation goes directly to the charity. The web page 
 makes it appear that $25 dollars is the least you can give however ANY 
 amount can be entered in the box. $5, $10, $15, $20 dollars all gladly 
 accepted. Skip out on your morning latte. Feel good about helping kids and 
 a friend reach his fundraising goal!

 - Brian in Seattle



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[RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures

2013-08-09 Thread Cecily Walker
Re: passing a carbon - you've all no doubt seen this? 

http://vimeo.com/71218407#

On Friday, August 9, 2013 6:05:02 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Looks like a great ride, Brian! Well done.

 Funny you mention passing some carbon folks. I passed a guy climbing a 
 section of single track. I was fully loaded and he was day riding. He 
 looked a bit demoralized. But he passed me again at the top as I enjoyed a 
 last pipe before heading out. It's the engine that matters most on a bike. 
 Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Friday, August 9, 2013 12:22:46 AM UTC-6, Benedikt wrote:

 I loaded up my Sam and rode it on the Courage Classic again. 
 Pictures to prove it! - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/sets/72157634961282335/
 This year I even took my saddle bags and my digital SLR camera. This 
 brought the weight up to 47 pounds with empty water bottles. And actually 
 it wasn't that bad. I even passed some carbon peeps.

 The Courage Classic is a three day/170 mile ride right here in the 
 Washington Cascades. Each day climbs over a mountain pass. The Sam was a 
 huge hit. There was a small crowd formed around it many times taking 
 pictures and asking questions.  

 To the one person in the RBW Owners Brunch who made a donation thank you 
 again. If anyone else wants to donate here's the link to my fundraising 
 page. There's still time. 
 http://www.courageclassic.kintera.org/Brian_Pickart
 With your donation you're helping to stop the cycle of child abuse and 
 neglect . 100% of your donation goes directly to the charity. The web page 
 makes it appear that $25 dollars is the least you can give however ANY 
 amount can be entered in the box. $5, $10, $15, $20 dollars all gladly 
 accepted. Skip out on your morning latte. Feel good about helping kids and 
 a friend reach his fundraising goal!

 - Brian in Seattle



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[RBW] FS: Grip Kings, MUSA Large pants, Power Grips pedal straps

2013-08-09 Thread Sean Cleary
Oops. Power Grip pedal straps: $20 includes shipping to lower 48 states.

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[RBW] Brooks Flyer quick fix please

2013-08-09 Thread Michael
Sit bone pain advice needed:
 
Gotta Brooks Flyer that I love on my Sam and it is breaking in on the right 
side, but no detent on the left side yet.
 
My left sit bone hurt bad during and after my last training ride last 
weekend and for a couplea days after. This weekend I am on schedule for a 
30-35 mile ride.
 
Anything I can do to protect the left sit bone?
Wear two pairs of cycling shorts this ride to nurse it through?
What do you all do in this situation?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Virgil
Hello Hugh and So Cal Rivers,

I found this on the Pacific Surfliner schedule PDF I downloaded...

  Bicycles: Most Pacific Surfliner trains have racks for six or seven 
 bicycles located in the “cab car”. Starting June 1, 2013 these slots will 
 be available by reservation only. Passengers must properly secure bicycles 
 in racks. For some departures and on Thruway buses, reservations will not 
 be available and only a limited number of bicycles can be carried. When 
 space is available, unboxed bicycles may be put in the bin under connecting 
 Thruway buses. Amtrak disclaims liability for loss or damage. Passengers 
 connecting to Trains 2, 4, and 14 will be required to check a bike in a 
 bicycle box available for a $10.00 fee. 
   
The operative word there is *Most*.  I don't know if their reservation 
system prevents overbooking the six or seven bicycles or not.  Rephrasing 
Doug, the Hi-Level Surfliner consists are the one's with a cab car that 
has slots for our bicycles.  The single level consists have the baggage car 
in the consist.  I, too, would be challenged to lift a fully loaded Riv 
bicycle to the level of the baggage car.  My contingency is going to be to 
pull the large Sackville saddle bag and Barsack from the bike and carry 
them on.

BTW, the Hi-Level (term from the Santa Fe Railroad) are not necessarily 
new.  Some of them are conversions Santa Fe El Capitan cars that date from 
June 1956.  I rode the El Capitan between LA and Chicago a number of times 
and enjoyed the experience.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4oho_TW0Gpo/UgWj0hmiBnI/AAw/kwdK1ZkEvFo/s1600/800px-Sante_Fe_Railroad_El_Capitan.jpg


Samuel Hillborne bike recon mission for tomorrow is going to be to ride 
down to the Solana Beach transit station, find a time between Coasters and 
Amtraks (not busy), and chat up one of the station agents as to the notion 
that certain train numbers consistently run a specific type consist.

Best regards,

Tom


On Friday, August 9, 2013 4:05:37 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Thanks Doug, I did make the bicycle reservation. I should have been more 
 specific with my question.  I was concerned with the Pacific Surf Liner and 
 bicycle transport boxed or not. Thankfully you have covered it. Thanks,

 -Hugh
 On Aug 9, 2013 3:08 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote:

 ..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific 
 Surf liner?

 When you book your ticket you also need to add a bike.  There's no 
 charge but it reserves space on the train for your wheels.  Amtrak's policy 
 on the Surfliner is 6 bikes total per train BUT since it's new enforcement 
 has not been stringent.  I've used them 2X since it started  had a bike 
 reservation both times.  

 A random twist that may occur is type if equipment.  If the train is made 
 up of the newer, double deck passenger cars, look for a blue bicycle logo 
 on a car toward one end or the other.  You can just wheel your bike on that 
 without removing panniers.  Melanie  I happened to have this set-up on all 
 3 trains we used on our tour.  

 BUT if the train is the older, single deck cars, they have steep steps up 
 into the car.  If that's the case, you need to corral the conductor (he'll 
 actually be looking for you if you have a reservation) and LIFT your bike 
 up to the floor level of the baggage car, about shoulder height.  I can't 
 do this with any amount of panniers.  Same drill getting off.  The 
 conductor has to go into the car and hand your bike down to you on the 
 platform.  This was what I encountered on both trains I used a couple of 
 weeks ago, and it was in Ventura that I found out about it.  

 dougP

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:10:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track 
 in the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head 
 North to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 
 pm or 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts? 

 Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just 
 thought I'd mention it.

 Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the 
 Pacific Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca

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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Schiller
Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!   
So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the afternoon 
before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that arrives at 
1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales nearby?

 ~mike




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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

2013-08-09 Thread chris
My Rambouillet (only road bike) has now been gone for repair going on 8 
weeks and I was told a couple of weeks ago that the bike had been shipped 
from the frame repair shop to the painter. When I found out that the bike 
had been shipped to the painter I asked if it would be possible to pick it 
up in Sacramento (bike was repaired there and I was going to Sacto for the 
day) and Riv said that it was in Chico with no mention of the fact the 
painter never acknowledged receipt and was not answering phone calls so 
they speculate that he might be on vacation. Getting the whole story took 
numerous emails.

Unfortunately, I haven't had a very good experience dealing with Riv. I 
rarely received repair updates unless I constantly emailed them and the 
final straw was the painting. 

Other lacking customer service was at the start of the repair when Riv said 
that they would send the bike to Bernie Mikkelsen for the repair and a few 
days later Riv said the bike would go to Steve Rex. When I asked for a 
clarification Riv responded that I could go ahead with Bernie if I chose 
but Steve Rex is dependable. I wouldn't question their recommendation, so 
why turn it into a selection on my part?

Riv also asked at the beginning if I had another bike to which I responded 
I did not and no offer of a replacement so why ask? However, after 
complaining directly to Grant about the painting I got an offer of a 
replacement bike. However, no direct response from Grant. Offer came from 
an employee. Riv is a small company so why wouldn't Grant respond himself?

I'm pleased that Riv stands behind their products by doing the repair for 
free, but the customer service was somewhat lacking.

Chris
San Jose

On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:

 I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
 broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
 in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
 to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
 regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
 Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.

 Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
 the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.

 Chris
 San Jose


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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Virgil
Thank you for that, Pudge.  I am going to try to sign up and get my foot in 
the door at the Rivendell Box Art group.  I hope Cecily does so as well, as 
hers is very cool.

I had my Sam redirected to the UPS store and got some raised eyebrows over 
that artwork in the store.  The artwork was a surprise to me and I got a 
kick out of it.  It was a cool personal touch.

Now, I wonder.  Who is this person, or persons that does/do this?  Wonder 
if we could get Kevin at Riv (he posts here) to tell us and roll over on 
them .  I would like to express my gratitude.   Or is it to become an 
inexplicable part of the Rivendell bicycle magic?

I am admiring Cecily's restraint at this point.  Once I opened my very well 
packed Sam in the foam and bubble wrap, there was no way I was not going to 
start finishing the build.

Best regards,

Tom



On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:51:55 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:

 Somebody has: 
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwboxart/pool/with/7734585144/#photo_7734585144 


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 I think the art on my box is identical. I will take a photo tonight. 
 Someone should start a photo collection of the box art. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

2013-08-09 Thread Peter Morgano
Maybe a free repair on a 10 year old bike isn't top priority, but be that
as it may If I was dealing with a customer I would let them know the deal
from the get go. It also would have been helpful if one person deals with
repairs and whatnot from point if contact to finished product. Just not
sure if that's possible with a small scale operation like Rivendell.
On Aug 9, 2013 11:06 PM, chris cdresd...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My Rambouillet (only road bike) has now been gone for repair going on 8
 weeks and I was told a couple of weeks ago that the bike had been shipped
 from the frame repair shop to the painter. When I found out that the bike
 had been shipped to the painter I asked if it would be possible to pick it
 up in Sacramento (bike was repaired there and I was going to Sacto for the
 day) and Riv said that it was in Chico with no mention of the fact the
 painter never acknowledged receipt and was not answering phone calls so
 they speculate that he might be on vacation. Getting the whole story took
 numerous emails.

 Unfortunately, I haven't had a very good experience dealing with Riv. I
 rarely received repair updates unless I constantly emailed them and the
 final straw was the painting.

 Other lacking customer service was at the start of the repair when Riv
 said that they would send the bike to Bernie Mikkelsen for the repair and a
 few days later Riv said the bike would go to Steve Rex. When I asked for a
 clarification Riv responded that I could go ahead with Bernie if I chose
 but Steve Rex is dependable. I wouldn't question their recommendation, so
 why turn it into a selection on my part?

 Riv also asked at the beginning if I had another bike to which I responded
 I did not and no offer of a replacement so why ask? However, after
 complaining directly to Grant about the painting I got an offer of a
 replacement bike. However, no direct response from Grant. Offer came from
 an employee. Riv is a small company so why wouldn't Grant respond himself?

 I'm pleased that Riv stands behind their products by doing the repair for
 free, but the customer service was somewhat lacking.

 Chris
 San Jose

 On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:

 I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain
 stay broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram
 new in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and
 spoke to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me
 today regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local
 builder.  Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on
 frames.

 Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved
 the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.

 Chris
 San Jose

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