Re: [RBW] Re: 13 shots for 13...2013 that is...and maybe a few more...

[cyclotourist]

Wow, really, 13 photos, that's like a Sophie's Choice situation! But here
are 13 of my fondest memories from 2013:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157639605650856

I started from a larger set that really makes me smile to look out.
Love flickr for just this!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157639596500493/

Really, it was a fantastic year!

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:43 PM, rob markwardt  wrote:

> Good pics.  Here's mine.  Not sure how many miles, 3 flats, and nothing
> "epic".  Mainly just rambles around the city with a couple out of town
> adventuresstill a good year (though I finished with a crash on December
> 31!).
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157639609577653/with/9112034867/
>
>
> Rob Markwardt
> Seattle, WA
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:58:51 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Deacon,
>>
>> Great images and obviously a wonderful year. Yes these images yours and
>> mine are my memory too. Been busy but will hopefully have mine submitted by
>> this weekend.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> The experience of doing this was great! It's amazing to read some of my
>>> comments on the May snow photo and realize that section of trail was
>>> "technical" to me at the time. Yes, there are tricky parts, but I've ridden
>>> more technical since then and gotten my old 80's MTB skills back even with
>>> the vertigo.  Funny to think that before this year my main focus on biking
>>> was paved and dirt roads, and how much trail riding has opened up. I
>>> suppose I needed the first year to get comfortable on the bike and last
>>> year to push the envelope to trails. Plus seeing all the family trips and
>>> time with my daughters. I use my photos as my memory, and this was a great
>>> way to walk down memory trail! Grin. Thank you for the grand idea, Meade!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Regarding Seth Vidal

[Esteban]

Eunice, thank you for sharing this. I admire your assertiveness of Seth's 
vitality in the proceedings, and of course share others' condolences here. 
I hope to bear witness to his life in my work, in my partnership and 
fatherhood, and in my riding.

Esteban

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 7:15:49 AM UTC-8, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> I thought some of you might be interested in an update about Seth's case. 
> Yesterday was the sentencing/verdict. 
>
>
> http://www.wral.com/man-pleads-guilty-in-durham-bicyclist-s-hit-and-run-death/13282993/
>  
>
>
> http://www.heraldsun.com/news/showcase/x1401031508/Man-sentenced-to-12-to-24-months-in-bikers-death
>
>
> http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/08/3516480/hit-and-run-driver-to-serve-1.html
>
> Eunice
>
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:43:34 PM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>
>> Hi-
>>
>> You don't know me, but I'm Seth's partner Eunice. I have debated sending 
>> this, because I'm not really a Riv owner but thought you all might want to 
>> know.
>>
>> The bike he rode when he was killed was his Romulus. I don't know where 
>> it is, but it's probably being held for evidence.
>>
>> The other Riv bike he had, the Hilsen, was displayed prominently at his 
>> memorial service.
>>
>> I also wanted to thank you for your condolences.
>>
>> -Eunice
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:24:45 PM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>> I am deeply saddened to share the news with you that my friend and 
>>> longtime Riv owner and active RBW list participant Seth Vidal was killed by 
>>> a hit and run driver last night here in Durham, NC.  
>>>
>>> The latest info about the tragedy is here:
>>> http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/12639104/
>>> http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9166340
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Jack Warman
>>> Durham, NC
>>>  
>>>  
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 13 shots for 13...2013 that is...and maybe a few more...

[rob markwardt]

Good pics.  Here's mine.  Not sure how many miles, 3 flats, and nothing 
"epic".  Mainly just rambles around the city with a couple out of town 
adventuresstill a good year (though I finished with a crash on December 
31!). 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157639609577653/with/9112034867/


Rob Markwardt
Seattle, WA

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:58:51 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Deacon,
>
> Great images and obviously a wonderful year. Yes these images yours and 
> mine are my memory too. Been busy but will hopefully have mine submitted by 
> this weekend.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> The experience of doing this was great! It's amazing to read some of my 
>> comments on the May snow photo and realize that section of trail was 
>> "technical" to me at the time. Yes, there are tricky parts, but I've ridden 
>> more technical since then and gotten my old 80's MTB skills back even with 
>> the vertigo.  Funny to think that before this year my main focus on biking 
>> was paved and dirt roads, and how much trail riding has opened up. I 
>> suppose I needed the first year to get comfortable on the bike and last 
>> year to push the envelope to trails. Plus seeing all the family trips and 
>> time with my daughters. I use my photos as my memory, and this was a great 
>> way to walk down memory trail! Grin. Thank you for the grand idea, Meade!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Training ride today on Bleriot.

[Tony DeFilippo]

Michael, at least you got out there!  My commute this morning (first since 
Monday) felt pretty darn sluggish as well.  The afternoon perked up a bit 
though so it's all good.  Just get right back out there!  

Is it the DC Random Populaire your prepping for by any chance?  I heard about 
it today from a friend, looks like I'm booked unfortunately but I want to do 
one of their events...

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Wtb 54/56 quickbeam

[Mattt]

Andy is selling one.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/quickbeam|sort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/-eE_ET16Kik/qFCzF_oFzZIJ

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 7:40:06 PM UTC-6, JL wrote:

> Hello all, 
>
> Just like it says I'm looking for a Quickbeam. 
> Orange or green. 56 or 54cm. Complete or frame/fork.   
>
> Reply off list if you have one for sale. 
>
> Thanks! 
> Jason 
> SF,CA 
>

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[RBW] Wtb 54/56 quickbeam

[Bill Lindsay]

there's a green 54 frame on ebay, fyi.  best of luck.

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[RBW] Wtb 54/56 quickbeam

[JL]

Hello all,

Just like it says I'm looking for a Quickbeam.
Orange or green. 56 or 54cm. Complete or frame/fork.  

Reply off list if you have one for sale.

Thanks!
Jason
SF,CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[cyclotourist]

So the 60cm may fit more more like a 64cm+ bike with that HT. Wonder what
the horizontal measurement is.

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The 60cm is a 700c bike.  On a related note, the 50cm demo doesn't look
> like it has long chainstays.  The 50 looks like a Betty Foy with an orange
> paint job (not that there's anything wrong with that).
>
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 5:16:52 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is that a 650B build? Or 700C w/ a really long HT?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> There is now a 60cm Cheviut posted on the blug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> That's about the highest stepover step-through I've ever seen.  Clearly
>>> it's got the straight line look, and the diagatube is effectively raised up
>>> due to the massively tall headtube and the looong chainstays.  If you are
>>> 6'5" with a bad hip, I wonder if this is going to be a lot easier to mount
>>> than a regular diamond bike.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, it looks like this 60cm might have room for a second
>>> water bottle cage in there!  The braze-ons are not there, but it looks like
>>> there's room.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:28:21 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:

 I'm confounded. I've looked at my 55cm Betty Foy, and I don't notice a
 kink. I definitely can see one on the Cheviot that's on the Blug, and I can
 clearly see it on Vince's staff bike in the Staff Bikes section of
 rivbike.com.

 On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:27:07 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>
> There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the
> first I remember seeing where the top/diaga-tube looks to meet its rear
> counterparts in a clean straight line. On others, and I guess smaller 
> sized
> frames, the top tube meets the rear tubes with a slight kink. Again, I 
> must
> not have paid attention to other images, or to the frames in person. But
> why the difference? Is it to keep the step-through height of the top tube
> identical across frame sizes? It's no doubt identical in rigidity and
> stoutness, but quite different in appearance, one size to another. I like
> the look of a single line from top of head tube to rear axle.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[Bill Lindsay]

The 60cm is a 700c bike.  On a related note, the 50cm demo doesn't look 
like it has long chainstays.  The 50 looks like a Betty Foy with an orange 
paint job (not that there's anything wrong with that).

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 5:16:52 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Is that a 650B build? Or 700C w/ a really long HT?
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Bill Lindsay 
> > wrote:
>
>> There is now a 60cm Cheviut posted on the blug
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> That's about the highest stepover step-through I've ever seen.  Clearly 
>> it's got the straight line look, and the diagatube is effectively raised up 
>> due to the massively tall headtube and the looong chainstays.  If you are 
>> 6'5" with a bad hip, I wonder if this is going to be a lot easier to mount 
>> than a regular diamond bike.  
>>
>> On the other hand, it looks like this 60cm might have room for a second 
>> water bottle cage in there!  The braze-ons are not there, but it looks like 
>> there's room.  ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:28:21 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confounded. I've looked at my 55cm Betty Foy, and I don't notice a 
>>> kink. I definitely can see one on the Cheviot that's on the Blug, and I can 
>>> clearly see it on Vince's staff bike in the Staff Bikes section of 
>>> rivbike.com. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:27:07 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:

 There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the first 
 I remember seeing where the top/diaga-tube looks to meet its rear 
 counterparts in a clean straight line. On others, and I guess smaller 
 sized 
 frames, the top tube meets the rear tubes with a slight kink. Again, I 
 must 
 not have paid attention to other images, or to the frames in person. But 
 why the difference? Is it to keep the step-through height of the top tube 
 identical across frame sizes? It's no doubt identical in rigidity and 
 stoutness, but quite different in appearance, one size to another. I like 
 the look of a single line from top of head tube to rear axle.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[cyclotourist]

Is that a 650B build? Or 700C w/ a really long HT?

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> There is now a 60cm Cheviut posted on the blug
>
>
>
> 
>
> That's about the highest stepover step-through I've ever seen.  Clearly
> it's got the straight line look, and the diagatube is effectively raised up
> due to the massively tall headtube and the looong chainstays.  If you are
> 6'5" with a bad hip, I wonder if this is going to be a lot easier to mount
> than a regular diamond bike.
>
> On the other hand, it looks like this 60cm might have room for a second
> water bottle cage in there!  The braze-ons are not there, but it looks like
> there's room.  ;-)
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:28:21 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm confounded. I've looked at my 55cm Betty Foy, and I don't notice a
>> kink. I definitely can see one on the Cheviot that's on the Blug, and I can
>> clearly see it on Vince's staff bike in the Staff Bikes section of
>> rivbike.com.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:27:07 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>>
>>> There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the first
>>> I remember seeing where the top/diaga-tube looks to meet its rear
>>> counterparts in a clean straight line. On others, and I guess smaller sized
>>> frames, the top tube meets the rear tubes with a slight kink. Again, I must
>>> not have paid attention to other images, or to the frames in person. But
>>> why the difference? Is it to keep the step-through height of the top tube
>>> identical across frame sizes? It's no doubt identical in rigidity and
>>> stoutness, but quite different in appearance, one size to another. I like
>>> the look of a single line from top of head tube to rear axle.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[Deacon Patrick]

Aye, Bill, but your kilt won't blow up in yer face, so practicality remains.

With abandon,
Patrick (who abandoned wearing a kilt daily after discovering knickers 
after getting a Hunqapillar and needing something to ride in).

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 5:33:21 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> There is now a 60cm Cheviut posted on the blug
>
>
>
> 
>
> That's about the highest stepover step-through I've ever seen.  Clearly 
> it's got the straight line look, and the diagatube is effectively raised up 
> due to the massively tall headtube and the looong chainstays.  If you are 
> 6'5" with a bad hip, I wonder if this is going to be a lot easier to mount 
> than a regular diamond bike.  
>
> On the other hand, it looks like this 60cm might have room for a second 
> water bottle cage in there!  The braze-ons are not there, but it looks like 
> there's room.  ;-)
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:28:21 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm confounded. I've looked at my 55cm Betty Foy, and I don't notice a 
>> kink. I definitely can see one on the Cheviot that's on the Blug, and I can 
>> clearly see it on Vince's staff bike in the Staff Bikes section of 
>> rivbike.com. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:27:07 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>>
>>> There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the first 
>>> I remember seeing where the top/diaga-tube looks to meet its rear 
>>> counterparts in a clean straight line. On others, and I guess smaller sized 
>>> frames, the top tube meets the rear tubes with a slight kink. Again, I must 
>>> not have paid attention to other images, or to the frames in person. But 
>>> why the difference? Is it to keep the step-through height of the top tube 
>>> identical across frame sizes? It's no doubt identical in rigidity and 
>>> stoutness, but quite different in appearance, one size to another. I like 
>>> the look of a single line from top of head tube to rear axle.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[Bill Lindsay]

There is now a 60cm Cheviut posted on the blug




That's about the highest stepover step-through I've ever seen.  Clearly 
it's got the straight line look, and the diagatube is effectively raised up 
due to the massively tall headtube and the looong chainstays.  If you are 
6'5" with a bad hip, I wonder if this is going to be a lot easier to mount 
than a regular diamond bike.  

On the other hand, it looks like this 60cm might have room for a second 
water bottle cage in there!  The braze-ons are not there, but it looks like 
there's room.  ;-)


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:28:21 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I'm confounded. I've looked at my 55cm Betty Foy, and I don't notice a 
> kink. I definitely can see one on the Cheviot that's on the Blug, and I can 
> clearly see it on Vince's staff bike in the Staff Bikes section of 
> rivbike.com. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:27:07 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the first I 
>> remember seeing where the top/diaga-tube looks to meet its rear 
>> counterparts in a clean straight line. On others, and I guess smaller sized 
>> frames, the top tube meets the rear tubes with a slight kink. Again, I must 
>> not have paid attention to other images, or to the frames in person. But 
>> why the difference? Is it to keep the step-through height of the top tube 
>> identical across frame sizes? It's no doubt identical in rigidity and 
>> stoutness, but quite different in appearance, one size to another. I like 
>> the look of a single line from top of head tube to rear axle.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Misc. parts for a San Marcos build

[Dave Johnston]

The San Marcos has a very stiff rear triangle. I tried to cold set it to 
132 with my bare hands and it didn't budge. 

I have turned 135 hubs to 130 by swapping to a "wheels manf" shorter axle, 
removing spacers and redishing. It is pretty easy on older hubs but harder 
with the current MTB hubs that have the rubber dust protector.

-Dave J

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 1:41:29 PM UTC-5, PeterG wrote:
>
> Looking for some parts for a new to me San Marcos Frame/Fork:
> Brake: Shimano Tiagra sidepulls
> 9 speed cassette (11-32 or 11-34)...
> Sugino crank: wide/low double (40t x 26t)...thinking I might save a little 
> weight going double, but not sure
> Deraillers: Shimano cx70 Front & Shimano deore rear derailler
> Possibly a lightish wheelset for my jack browns...(130mm rear spacing) all 
> my other sets are 135mm spacing & wont fit...
>
> Frame/Fork was a Christmas present. Thinking of making this into a 
> light-ish bike with albatross and bar end shifters.
> Looking for used but lots of life left parts. Don't really have the cash 
> to buy all new. The frame is killing me just sitting here looking at me 
> waiting to be builtArgg
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Brooks B17S saddle

[hsmitham]

David,

I have a black b17s well used...it came off the Atlantis. I don't want to 
sell it at this point but you can borrow it for now. Would that work for 
your experiment?

~Hugh

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 3:48:58 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for the lead, but looks like it's sold.
>
> There is one FS in LA I'm trying to work the details out on, but was 
> hoping to save a two hour RT drive.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:06 PM, sameness  >wrote:
>
>> There's one on 
>> iBOB
>> .
>>
>> (Not mine, no affiliation, etcetcetc.)
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Warragul, VIC Australia
>>>
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[RBW] Re: DIY Lug Lining

[Bill Lindsay]

Windsor

Plenty of newer shots to see.  I got my Pinstriping tape in last night. 
 The stainless steel fenders will need a little manipulation before they 
are going to fit.  So I'll get them fitting to the bike before I pinstripe 
them.  

The huge frustration is waiting for USPS to bring me two critical parts.  2 
day express from Colorado, leave the 6th, arrives at the local sort 
facility on the 8th, and still isn't here.  Waiting waiting.  

Tonights session will be lining the chrome headlugs and 
filing/sanding/polishing a brake caliper.  

On Sunday, January 5, 2014 9:05:02 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of reflective and glow in the dark tape.  Conspicuity is a 
> big deal.  But I'm already fine with my taping skills.  I'm trying expand 
> my skillset into pinstriping.  I can have both.  
>
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[RBW] ForSale CRANK SETS

[Charlie]

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De Stuffing = for sale:

Stronglight  49D 170 arms - no caps
52-40 chainrings 

French pedal threads -  puller thread 23.35mm - PRE 1982

$120 CASH or USPS money order  - Shipped to lower 48 states


SunTour XC COMP Micro Drive NOS (new old stock) 170 arms - no caps
42-32-20 chainrings

$120 CASH or USPS money order - shipped to lower 48 states
 I do not have payple.

CONTACT  off list - charliepedal(at)verizon(dot)net

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Brooks B17S saddle

[cyclotourist]

Thanks for the lead, but looks like it's sold.

There is one FS in LA I'm trying to work the details out on, but was hoping
to save a two hour RT drive.

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Nitto, Tubus, Compass Tires, Paul, and more

[Dan McNamara]

OK. Let me figure this out. It will have to be early next week if that is
ok. Tomorrow is booked and I have a family wedding to deal with this
weekend.

Dan


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:43 PM, allenmichael  wrote:

> Dan, I will take the rear wheel. My office is union square, and I live in
> outer richmond. Let me know a good meet-up place and time.
>
> Michael Allen
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:12:44 AM UTC-8, danmc wrote:
>
>> Been doing some garage cleaning (and soul searching about various
>> projects) thus have some up with a bunch of parts for projects that are
>> never going to happen.
>>
>> Shipping included where indicated. The bigger items are really dependent
>> on how far you are from the SF Area. I can combo shipping and we can work
>> out something if you want more than one item with included shipping.
>>
>> RACKS:
>>
>> Nitto R-15 rack. Great shape. $90 shipped
>>
>> Tubus Cosmo Rack. Great shape. Uncut silver stays with silver mounts.
>> $100 shipped
>>
>>
>> BRAKES:
>>
>> Paul Touring canti brakes - anodized silver, black koolstop pads, new
>> straddle wires plus some extra o-rings. $110 shipped
>>
>> Paul Love Lever Compact pair - new. Silver anodized. For linear-pull
>> brakes. $80 shipped
>>
>> Paul Love Lever 2.5 pair - new. Silver anodized. For linear-pull brakes.
>> $80 shipped
>>
>>
>> WHEELS:
>>
>> 650B wheelset. Rich built. Synergy / Deore LX. 32-spoke. With skewers.
>> Light use. Really nice shape. $250 plus shipping.
>>
>> 700c rear wheel - Handspun built. New in box. Mavic A319 / Deore LX.
>> 36-spoke. $110 shipped
>>
>> 700c wheelset - Twin Hollow / Tiagra. 32-spoke. From Riv so FL built.
>> Little use. $120 plus shipping
>>
>>
>> TIRES:
>>
>> Compass Tires 26 x 1.75" Pair. new in packages - $100 shipped
>>
>> Schwalbe Marathon Green Guard HS368 Pair - 650B x 42. new, never mounted.
>> $40 shipped
>>
>> Fatty Rumpkin Kevlar bead Single. New in package. $35 shipped
>>
>> Conti Tour Ride 650B x 54 Pair. Light use. Great shape. $35 shipped
>>
>>
>> MISC:
>>
>> Trico Iron Case - Never used. Perfect shape. Great bike shipping case for
>> up to 63cm bike. $200 plus shipping.
>>
>> Yepp Mini front mount child seat. Orange. New in box. All hardware, $105
>> shipped.
>>
>> -
>>
>> PayPal is the best way to handle a transaction. Personal/gift preferred
>> unless you have moral issues with it.
>>
>> Local SF Area pickup/drop off is possible. Pictures on request.
>>
>> More to come
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> -Marin
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Misc. parts for a San Marcos build

[PeterG]

Thanks to all who have chimed in and helped about the rear spacing issue. I 
will try and force the wheelset in and see what happens and go from there. 

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:41:29 AM UTC-8, PeterG wrote:
>
> Looking for some parts for a new to me San Marcos Frame/Fork:
> Brake: Shimano Tiagra sidepulls
> 9 speed cassette (11-32 or 11-34)...
> Sugino crank: wide/low double (40t x 26t)...thinking I might save a little 
> weight going double, but not sure
> Deraillers: Shimano cx70 Front & Shimano deore rear derailler
> Possibly a lightish wheelset for my jack browns...(130mm rear spacing) all 
> my other sets are 135mm spacing & wont fit...
>
> Frame/Fork was a Christmas present. Thinking of making this into a 
> light-ish bike with albatross and bar end shifters.
> Looking for used but lots of life left parts. Don't really have the cash 
> to buy all new. The frame is killing me just sitting here looking at me 
> waiting to be builtArgg
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Misc. parts for a San Marcos build

[PeterG]

My San Marcos is a 59cm. Frame looks awesome. I wasn't looking for a new 
bike, but the wife got this used in brand new shape. I have a few other 
bikes including a Homer, Betty and an old 60's steel. Originally, I was 
just gonna sell this San Marcos. Decided may be to build it up if I can 
find parts cheap enough. Thanks again for all the info.

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:56:37 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Congratulations on your beautiful bike!  I just bought a Soma San Marcos 
> 51cm for my girlfriend as a christmas gift, so I have hands-on experience 
> on this frame.
>
> *Brake reach*:
>
> What size is your San Marcos frame?  The brake reach is specific to the 
> size, and Tiagra sidepulls may, or may not fit.
>
> 47, 51cm use 650B wheels and long reach brakes (55-73mm)
> Larger sizes use 700C wheels and standard reach brakes (47-57mm)
>
> EXCEPT:  the newest production frames, 2013 on, use long reach brakes on 
> all sizes.  I don't know how to tell besides measuring.  
> (I did speak to someone at Soma, though, and they said the newest run of 
> frames also has Riv-style mid-blade fork eyelets for a mini rack.  I don't 
> know if this corresponds to the brake reach change).
>
>
> *Dropout spacing*:
>
> I've successfully spread the dropouts on two older steel frames, by hand, 
> using the Sheldon Brown 2x4 method.  Crude, but it works.  (I should 
> probably take both frames down to the bike co-op to double check alignment, 
> but they both measure up straight and shift properly).
>
> HOWEVER:  The San Marcos has beautiful lugged rear dropouts (seriously, I 
> haven't seen the like), not skinny old-style ones.  This may make it harder 
> to re-align the dropout if you managed to bend it out of whack when cold 
> setting.
>
> THAT SAID:  You can probably just cram a 135mm wheel in there.  Try it! 
>  You can spread the dropouts slightly by hand in order to facilitate.  You 
> won't bend them far enough to deform/cold-set them; you'd have to spread 
> them much wider to do that, as Ron Mc stated above.
>
> Tim
> Cedar Rapids, IA
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Jim Bronson 
> > wrote:
>
>> Pull hard!  ;)
>> On Jan 8, 2014 6:53 PM, "PeterG" > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Phillip,
>>> I have googled it and can't seem to find out how to make the 135mm wheel 
>>> set fit a 130mm space.Can you elaborate? Thanks
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto, Tubus, Compass Tires, Paul, and more

[allenmichael]

Dan, I will take the rear wheel. My office is union square, and I live in 
outer richmond. Let me know a good meet-up place and time.

Michael Allen

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:12:44 AM UTC-8, danmc wrote:
>
> Been doing some garage cleaning (and soul searching about various 
> projects) thus have some up with a bunch of parts for projects that are 
> never going to happen.
>
> Shipping included where indicated. The bigger items are really dependent 
> on how far you are from the SF Area. I can combo shipping and we can work 
> out something if you want more than one item with included shipping.
>
> RACKS:
>
> Nitto R-15 rack. Great shape. $90 shipped
>
> Tubus Cosmo Rack. Great shape. Uncut silver stays with silver mounts. $100 
> shipped
>
>
> BRAKES:
>
> Paul Touring canti brakes - anodized silver, black koolstop pads, new 
> straddle wires plus some extra o-rings. $110 shipped
>
> Paul Love Lever Compact pair - new. Silver anodized. For linear-pull 
> brakes. $80 shipped
>
> Paul Love Lever 2.5 pair - new. Silver anodized. For linear-pull brakes. 
> $80 shipped
>
>
> WHEELS:
>
> 650B wheelset. Rich built. Synergy / Deore LX. 32-spoke. With skewers. 
> Light use. Really nice shape. $250 plus shipping.
>
> 700c rear wheel - Handspun built. New in box. Mavic A319 / Deore LX. 
> 36-spoke. $110 shipped
>
> 700c wheelset - Twin Hollow / Tiagra. 32-spoke. From Riv so FL built. 
> Little use. $120 plus shipping
>
>
> TIRES:
>
> Compass Tires 26 x 1.75" Pair. new in packages - $100 shipped
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Green Guard HS368 Pair - 650B x 42. new, never mounted. 
> $40 shipped
>
> Fatty Rumpkin Kevlar bead Single. New in package. $35 shipped
>
> Conti Tour Ride 650B x 54 Pair. Light use. Great shape. $35 shipped
>
>
> MISC:
>
> Trico Iron Case - Never used. Perfect shape. Great bike shipping case for 
> up to 63cm bike. $200 plus shipping.
>
> Yepp Mini front mount child seat. Orange. New in box. All hardware, $105 
> shipped.
>
> -
>
> PayPal is the best way to handle a transaction. Personal/gift preferred 
> unless you have moral issues with it.
>
> Local SF Area pickup/drop off is possible. Pictures on request.
>
> More to come
>
> Dan
>
> -Marin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Well Equipped 53CM, 1983 Squoia

[Evan]

This bike is not, of course, as nice as the one Michael H. is offering. And 
it's a different size. But if anyone seeks a 58 Sequoia in the Bay Area, 
here it is. Not mine:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/4269258331.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: Well Equipped 53CM, 1983 Squoia

[Michael Hechmer]

Thanks for the kind words.

My long term goal for this bike was to convert it to 650b, which would have 
moved it from great to fantastic.  Really, how many sweet riding 700c 
frames can handle 33mm tires, and fenders?  With 41 mm tires this would be 
a super comfortable bike.  I converted my '84 trek and find the combination 
of comfort and performance hard to beat.  I'm glad somebody is still making 
these frames, although I think I will always prefer the standard gauge 
tubes.

If no one is interested I'll have to decide whats next, probably break it 
up, sell the components, and save the frame for my grandson, who is no more 
than a decade away from fitting into it.  I'll have new (unused) bars, 
stem, levers, shifters,and thumbies; good wheels & tires & classic brakes & 
crank to offer.

Michael 

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:51:15 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Indeed (and I think finding a vintage tourer is still the best value out 
> there)...but just knowing that you can still get one hand-made by Tim 
> Neenan is pretty cool.  
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 5:56:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> That's WAY less expensive than a New Sequoia:
>>
>> http://www.lighthousecycles.com/the-new-sequoia/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 6, 2014 12:22:04 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
>>> For Christmas I outfitted my wife's 1983 Sequoia with brand new Albas, 
>>> thumbies, levers & index shifters; then gave her my good pair of wheels 
>>> (Ultegra/Open Pro/Jack Browns).  Now I just made an impulsive purchase of 
>>> the Betty Foy Demo which RBW offered for sale!  I know she'll love it but 
>>> would never indulge herself!  So I'm offering her bike for sale: I can sell 
>>> it with the new or old parts, all good, your choice.
>>>
>>> 1983, 53CM Specialized Sequoia, $1100 plus shipping
>>>
>>>
>>> Frame -  Tange. excellent condition, paint scratches on chain stay & 
>>> lower fork blade.  CS spread to 130mm
>>>
>>> Wheels: Ultegra Hubs, Open Pro Rims, Jack Brown Tires (Blue & Green)
>>>
>>> All in excellent condition.  
>>>
>>> Drive train- Stronglight Cartridge BB, Shimano 600 crank(46/36/24) (or 
>>> Sugino XD2 if you prefer), Ultegra RD, Deore XT FD, Ultegra 9 spd 12-27, 
>>> brand new conex chain.
>>>
>>> Cockpit: Stronglight headset, new Albas, new Tallex stem, new Shimano 
>>> levers, new Paul’s thumbies, New Microshift 9 spd index shifters BE 
>>> adapters included.
>>>
>>> Alternate choice, Noodle bars, nitto stem, Techtro levers, Silver Shfters
>>>
>>> Brakes: Suntour Superbe single pivot SP; SeatPost Nitto (26.9), SKS 
>>> Fenders, touring pedals.
>>>
>>>
>>> Saddle, mirror and Nitto rear rack not included.   
>>>
>>>
>>> Pictures at:  https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25VaUrzMrRm8
>>>
>>>
>>> MIchael
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Brooks B17S saddle

[sameness]

There's one on 
iBOB
.

(Not mine, no affiliation, etcetcetc.)

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Tire boots, 650B wheels, spokes

[Bill Lindsay]

Dynamite preparedness!  I like it.  

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 1:41:44 PM UTC-8, Joan wrote:
>
>  Starting a bit of a new thread:  my Bleriot has 650B wheels, and when 
> I've taken it on a tour, I've carried a spare tire (see Sheldon's site for 
> how to fold any tire) and just considered it part of the tour gear.  I've 
> also carried a couple of spokes specifically sized for the wheels (front & 
> rear).  That's for touring, where my calculation is the extra weight of the 
> tire (& spokes, to be completely specific) is worth the peace of mind if I 
> needed it.  Yes, you can get anything over night delivered but that could 
> eat up at least one and possibly two days of a tour (Side comment: I've 
> never experienced a cut sidewall in over 6,000 miles on Hetres on awful 
> urban roads, gravel/washboard/rocky roads and unpaved rail trails.)
>
> As for tire boots, I cut up an old tire and have a couple of boots in 
> different sizes in my pack with the patch kit.  I also have duct tape with 
> me and have used it for various repairs (a small piece of cardboard with a 
> few feet of duct tape wrapped around it - very compact), including wrapping 
> a broken spoke around another spoke for a friend, bandaging a cut (sweaty 
> person, bandaid wouldn't stick), holding a rack together, emergency glasses 
> repair, etc etc -- etc!  I do have the FiberFix spoke, have not used it 
> myself, but have watched someone do it.  The FiberFix, tire boots, duct 
> tape are in the baggie that serves as my repair kit, along with a couple of 
> plastic tire irons and a spare tube.  I've used 26 tubes in my 650B tires 
> several times.
>
> Joan
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Tire boots, 650B wheels, spokes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/09/2014 04:41 PM, Joan Oppel wrote:
 Starting a bit of a new thread:  my Bleriot has 650B wheels, and when 
I've taken it on a tour, I've carried a spare tire (see Sheldon's site 
for how to fold any tire) and just considered it part of the tour 
gear.  I've also carried a couple of spokes specifically sized for the 
wheels (front & rear).  That's for touring, where my calculation is 
the extra weight of the tire (& spokes, to be completely specific) is 
worth the peace of mind if I needed it.  Yes, you can get anything 
over night delivered but that could eat up at least one and possibly 
two days of a tour (Side comment: I've never experienced a cut 
sidewall in over 6,000 miles on Hetres on awful urban roads, 
gravel/washboard/rocky roads and unpaved rail trails.)


I've been on more than one of those tours with Joan, and I've also 
carried a folded spare (mine had Kevlar beads, so no special triple 
coiling needed).  And on all those tours, how often did we have tire 
trouble?   I had a flat, one time.  IIRC, a thorn; removed it, changed 
the tube, and finis.  No recourse to spare tires required. And that's 
typical, not something surprising at all.




As for tire boots, I cut up an old tire and have a couple of boots in 
different sizes in my pack with the patch kit.  I also have duct tape 
with me and have used it for various repairs (a small piece of 
cardboard with a few feet of duct tape wrapped around it - very 
compact), including wrapping a broken spoke around another spoke for a 
friend, bandaging a cut (sweaty person, bandaid wouldn't stick), 
holding a rack together, emergency glasses repair, etc etc -- etc!  I 
do have the FiberFix spoke, have not used it myself, but have watched 
someone do it.  The FiberFix, tire boots, duct tape are in the baggie 
that serves as my repair kit, along with a couple of plastic tire 
irons and a spare tube.  I've used 26 tubes in my 650B tires several 
times.




Those boots have come in handy on several rides.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Iron Rider]

The fix was actually a multi-layered set up. Between the tube and the tire 
I used a Park Took tire patch. However, after an hour or so it began to 
bulge a bit so I wrapped the whole shebang in duct tape and unnattached the 
rim brake. The duct tape really seemed to  keep the bulge from growing and 
I rode a century on the MacGyvered repair.


On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:29:18 PM UTC-5, Metin Uz wrote:
>
> I don't see how the duct tape helps wrapped on the outside. I was 
> expecting to see a picture showing the tape INSIDE the tire, using the tire 
> pressure and effectively creating a tire boot.
>
>
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[RBW] Tire boots, 650B wheels, spokes

[Joan Oppel]

 Starting a bit of a new thread:  my Bleriot has 650B wheels, and when I've taken it on a tour, I've carried a spare tire (see Sheldon's site for how to fold any tire) and just considered it part of the tour gear.  I've also carried a couple of spokes specifically sized for the wheels (front & rear).  That's for touring, where my calculation is the extra weight of the tire (& spokes, to be completely specific) is worth the peace of mind if I needed it.  Yes, you can get anything over night delivered but that could eat up at least one and possibly two days of a tour (Side comment: I've never experienced a cut sidewall in over 6,000 miles on Hetres on awful urban roads, gravel/washboard/rocky roads and unpaved rail trails.)As for tire boots, I cut up an old tire and have a couple of boots in different sizes in my pack with the patch kit.  I also have duct tape with me and have used it for various repairs (a small piece of cardboard with a few feet of duct tape wrapped around it - very compact), including wrapping a broken spoke around another spoke for a friend, bandaging a cut (sweaty person, bandaid wouldn't stick), holding a rack together, emergency glasses repair, etc etc -- etc!  I do have the FiberFix spoke, have not used it myself, but have watched someone do it.  The FiberFix, tire boots, duct tape are in the baggie that serves as my repair kit, along with a couple of plastic tire irons and a spare tube.  I've used 26 tubes in my 650B tires several times.Joan



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[RBW] Re: Hetres are done.The search continues.

[Iron Rider]

Yes and yes. It is feasible and I do now carry a spare folding tire (SOMA 
B)  which I hope is for a problem that is too rare to worry about. I 
justify carrying the "extra weight" by switiching both tire and tube when 
there is a flat which save a good several minutes and allows me to repair 
the flat and check for the item that caused it after the ride is done. If I 
have to change a flat in the dark, cold or rain or all of the above, 
swapping out everything and dealing with it later is the way to go.



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[RBW] Re: Training ride today on Bleriot.

[Howard H]

My most painful ride was the last 10 - 15 miles of an 80 mile ride. I 
realized (too late) that I had not been taking enough breaks, or drinking 
enough water.

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 1:54:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Training for upcoming Metric Century I hope to go on.
> Went on the Bleriot.
> Rolling hills of Howard County.
> ~30 degrees and still.
> Nice ride.
> Salty roads.
> Bike felt rally draggy.
> I think I am outta shape from not riding much since the cold weather has 
> kicked in.
> Legs were killing me and I was reduced to lamentably slow speeds.
> 27 miles of pain, but fun and rewarding to do the ride!
>
> Weird, because I just did a long ride with Tony DeFillipo and Co. about 
> two weeks ago and I felt great.
>
> Here are a few pics from the Howard County Fairgrounds:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157639592411145/
>
> What were your most painful rides?
>
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Re: [RBW] Training ride today on Bleriot.

[Joan Oppel]

Some days I swear a different body rides my bike.  And other days, I just take off.  So many variables.Joan  On 01/09/14, Michael wrote: Training for upcoming Metric Century I hope to go on.Went on the Bleriot.Rolling hills of Howard County.~30 degrees and still.Nice ride.Salty roads.Bike felt rally draggy.I think I am outta shape from not riding much since the cold weather has kicked in.Legs were killing me and I was reduced to lamentably slow speeds.27 miles of pain, but fun and rewarding to do the ride!Weird, because I just did a long ride with Tony DeFillipo and Co. about two weeks ago and I felt great.Here are a few pics from the Howard County Fairgrounds:http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157639592411145/What were your most painful rides?-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[Ron Mc]

The bend is because of the lug, The rear yoke is made from two other tubes. 
 The "kink" gives better step through, but I also think it looks great.  

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:20:31 AM UTC-6, Pammie wrote:
>
> I will say, as the owner of a double tube mixte custom from Royal H (the 
> lovelybike frame that was stolen but I got back!).  The bike is unusually 
> flexible at high speeds going downhill.  There is quite a bit of flex in 
> the frame generally.  I will test it out with lowered panniers in the next 
> month and let me know of the results.  My frame is simply pristine -- but I 
> had always been a roadie -- so for me the difference was significant.  I 
> think that makes the mixte frame not the best choice for rando events or 
> touring -- it does make a good commuter and is good for long rides though. 
>
> My thoughts.  
>
> On Jan 9, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Matthew J > 
> wrote:
>
> > I meant to say that I prefer the looks of the "double lateral tube" 
> style of step through bike than the "single diagatube" style.  :)
>
> > SOMA Buena Vista is a nice "double lateral tube" design.  
> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8261188891_959b6b76ea_o.jpg 
>
> The double tubes look nice and from the right builder can be a decent 
> bike.  A lot of those double tubes are very flexible though and not in the 
> planing sort of way.  Riv (and others) single tube down tends to make a 
> stronger bike.
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:04:20 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I didn't mean to start a pedantic discussion around the term "mixte:" 
>> (but thanks for the background info, Jan and co.)  Though I used it with 
>> what seems to be a widely held distinction (at least in US).
>>
>> I meant to say that I prefer the looks of the "double lateral tube" style 
>> of step through bike than the "single diagatube" style.  :)
>>
>> SOMA Buena Vista is a nice "double lateral tube" design.  
>> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8261188891_959b6b76ea_o.jpg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Jan Heine  wrote:
>>
>>> Interestingly, "mixte" seems to have a clear definition more in the U.S. 
>>> than in France. Of the great constructeurs, I've only seen the term "mixte" 
>>> used in the Goéland catalogue. Most speak of "vélo dame" or similar terms.
>>>
>>> Regarding the frame design, the twin-diagonal-tubed mixte was invented 
>>> by A. Sixt in the 1930s, as a more triangulated design that was intended to 
>>> make the frame stiffer than the traditional women's frames with a deeply 
>>> dropped or even curved diagonal tube. He also used twin diagonal tubes to 
>>> stiffen tandem frames.
>>>
>>> Around 1938, the great constructeur Reyhand developed a more 
>>> sophisticated frame design, with a dropped single top tube and two extra 
>>> seatstays. In profile, it looks similar to the twin-diagonal-tubed frame. 
>>> To stiffen the connection at the center of the frame, the extra stays 
>>> extend beyond the seat tube and attach to the diagonal tube as well. André 
>>> Reiss, the maker of Reynand, patented this design, as well as a tandem 
>>> frame with two sets of diagonal reinforcement stays (one set from the head 
>>> tube to the rear BB, the other from the front seat lug to the rear 
>>> dropouts). After Reiss died in World War II, the designs were widely copied.
>>>
>>> You can see examples of these designs in the Bicycle Quarterly "Image 
>>> Archive" at
>>>
>>> http://www.bikequarterly.com/color_photo_supplement.html
>>>
>>> The twin-diagonal-tubed mixte was much easier to make, and thus remained 
>>> popular among mass producers. I don't think Sheldon Brown was even aware of 
>>> the second "Reyhand" type when he coined his definition of mixte, but he 
>>> was thinking of women's frames with either a dropped top tube with no extra 
>>> rear stays (which puts bending loads on the seat tube and thus offends 
>>> engineers) or the twin-diagonal-tubed "mixte." More recently, Rivendell 
>>> inspired its mixtes on the "Reyhand" type, but without extending the extra 
>>> stays beyond the seat tube.
>>>
>>> Jan Heine
>>> Editor
>>> Bicycle Quarterly
>>> www.bikequarterly.com
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Misc. parts for a San Marcos build

[Ron Mc]

absolutely agree you can elastically spread your rear triangles that far 
without concern - my daughter's 126mm Fuji is running 130mm 9-speed rear 
axle - we even changed a flat on the trail - no worries.  
On my old Raleigh, though, the triangles were stiff enough that it is 
pretty taxing to spread them elastically.  Just now making the 700c 
conversion on the old bike, and I'm excited about the tire options compared 
to Pasela, Pasela, Pasela.  

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 2:31:35 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> What Tim said.  I have a 135 hub in my 130 spaced custom Riv.  Didn't 
> bother re-spacing.  Works fine.  Contrary to my prior post, I actually 
> don't have to pull very hard.  Just moderate effort.
> On Jan 9, 2014 1:56 PM, "Tim Gavin" 
> > 
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations on your beautiful bike!  I just bought a Soma San Marcos 
>> 51cm for my girlfriend as a christmas gift, so I have hands-on experience 
>> on this frame.
>>
>> *Brake reach*:
>>
>> What size is your San Marcos frame?  The brake reach is specific to the 
>> size, and Tiagra sidepulls may, or may not fit.
>>
>> 47, 51cm use 650B wheels and long reach brakes (55-73mm)
>> Larger sizes use 700C wheels and standard reach brakes (47-57mm)
>>
>> EXCEPT:  the newest production frames, 2013 on, use long reach brakes on 
>> all sizes.  I don't know how to tell besides measuring.  
>> (I did speak to someone at Soma, though, and they said the newest run of 
>> frames also has Riv-style mid-blade fork eyelets for a mini rack.  I don't 
>> know if this corresponds to the brake reach change).
>>
>>
>> *Dropout spacing*:
>>
>> I've successfully spread the dropouts on two older steel frames, by hand, 
>> using the Sheldon Brown 2x4 method.  Crude, but it works.  (I should 
>> probably take both frames down to the bike co-op to double check alignment, 
>> but they both measure up straight and shift properly).
>>
>> HOWEVER:  The San Marcos has beautiful lugged rear dropouts (seriously, I 
>> haven't seen the like), not skinny old-style ones.  This may make it harder 
>> to re-align the dropout if you managed to bend it out of whack when cold 
>> setting.
>>
>> THAT SAID:  You can probably just cram a 135mm wheel in there.  Try it! 
>>  You can spread the dropouts slightly by hand in order to facilitate.  You 
>> won't bend them far enough to deform/cold-set them; you'd have to spread 
>> them much wider to do that, as Ron Mc stated above.
>>
>> Tim
>> Cedar Rapids, IA
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Jim Bronson 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Pull hard!  ;)
>>> On Jan 8, 2014 6:53 PM, "PeterG" > 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Phillip,
 I have googled it and can't seem to find out how to make the 135mm 
 wheel set fit a 130mm space.Can you elaborate? Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne on Craigslist in central Oklahoma

[Mattt]

I am now taking offers.  You can contact me offline through the group or from 
the craigslist ad.

Thanks, 
Matt

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Misc. parts for a San Marcos build

[Jim Bronson]

What Tim said.  I have a 135 hub in my 130 spaced custom Riv.  Didn't
bother re-spacing.  Works fine.  Contrary to my prior post, I actually
don't have to pull very hard.  Just moderate effort.
On Jan 9, 2014 1:56 PM, "Tim Gavin"  wrote:

> Congratulations on your beautiful bike!  I just bought a Soma San Marcos
> 51cm for my girlfriend as a christmas gift, so I have hands-on experience
> on this frame.
>
> *Brake reach*:
>
> What size is your San Marcos frame?  The brake reach is specific to the
> size, and Tiagra sidepulls may, or may not fit.
>
> 47, 51cm use 650B wheels and long reach brakes (55-73mm)
> Larger sizes use 700C wheels and standard reach brakes (47-57mm)
>
> EXCEPT:  the newest production frames, 2013 on, use long reach brakes on
> all sizes.  I don't know how to tell besides measuring.
> (I did speak to someone at Soma, though, and they said the newest run of
> frames also has Riv-style mid-blade fork eyelets for a mini rack.  I don't
> know if this corresponds to the brake reach change).
>
>
> *Dropout spacing*:
>
> I've successfully spread the dropouts on two older steel frames, by hand,
> using the Sheldon Brown 2x4 method.  Crude, but it works.  (I should
> probably take both frames down to the bike co-op to double check alignment,
> but they both measure up straight and shift properly).
>
> HOWEVER:  The San Marcos has beautiful lugged rear dropouts (seriously, I
> haven't seen the like), not skinny old-style ones.  This may make it harder
> to re-align the dropout if you managed to bend it out of whack when cold
> setting.
>
> THAT SAID:  You can probably just cram a 135mm wheel in there.  Try it!
>  You can spread the dropouts slightly by hand in order to facilitate.  You
> won't bend them far enough to deform/cold-set them; you'd have to spread
> them much wider to do that, as Ron Mc stated above.
>
> Tim
> Cedar Rapids, IA
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
>> Pull hard!  ;)
>> On Jan 8, 2014 6:53 PM, "PeterG"  wrote:
>>
>>> Phillip,
>>> I have googled it and can't seem to find out how to make the 135mm wheel
>>> set fit a 130mm space.Can you elaborate? Thanks
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Misc. parts for a San Marcos build

[Tim Gavin]

Congratulations on your beautiful bike!  I just bought a Soma San Marcos
51cm for my girlfriend as a christmas gift, so I have hands-on experience
on this frame.

*Brake reach*:

What size is your San Marcos frame?  The brake reach is specific to the
size, and Tiagra sidepulls may, or may not fit.

47, 51cm use 650B wheels and long reach brakes (55-73mm)
Larger sizes use 700C wheels and standard reach brakes (47-57mm)

EXCEPT:  the newest production frames, 2013 on, use long reach brakes on
all sizes.  I don't know how to tell besides measuring.
(I did speak to someone at Soma, though, and they said the newest run of
frames also has Riv-style mid-blade fork eyelets for a mini rack.  I don't
know if this corresponds to the brake reach change).


*Dropout spacing*:

I've successfully spread the dropouts on two older steel frames, by hand,
using the Sheldon Brown 2x4 method.  Crude, but it works.  (I should
probably take both frames down to the bike co-op to double check alignment,
but they both measure up straight and shift properly).

HOWEVER:  The San Marcos has beautiful lugged rear dropouts (seriously, I
haven't seen the like), not skinny old-style ones.  This may make it harder
to re-align the dropout if you managed to bend it out of whack when cold
setting.

THAT SAID:  You can probably just cram a 135mm wheel in there.  Try it!
 You can spread the dropouts slightly by hand in order to facilitate.  You
won't bend them far enough to deform/cold-set them; you'd have to spread
them much wider to do that, as Ron Mc stated above.

Tim
Cedar Rapids, IA


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Pull hard!  ;)
> On Jan 8, 2014 6:53 PM, "PeterG"  wrote:
>
>> Phillip,
>> I have googled it and can't seem to find out how to make the 135mm wheel
>> set fit a 130mm space.Can you elaborate? Thanks
>>
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[RBW] Re: Training ride today on Bleriot.

[Ron Mc]

salty roads are sticky - that will drag you down

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 12:54:54 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
> Training for upcoming Metric Century I hope to go on.
> Went on the Bleriot.
> Rolling hills of Howard County.
> ~30 degrees and still.
> Nice ride.
> Salty roads.
> Bike felt rally draggy.
> I think I am outta shape from not riding much since the cold weather has 
> kicked in.
> Legs were killing me and I was reduced to lamentably slow speeds.
> 27 miles of pain, but fun and rewarding to do the ride!
>
> Weird, because I just did a long ride with Tony DeFillipo and Co. about 
> two weeks ago and I felt great.
>
> Here are a few pics from the Howard County Fairgrounds:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157639592411145/
>
> What were your most painful rides?
>
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Re: [RBW] FS - Nitto, Tubus, Compass Tires, Paul, and more

[Dan McNamara]

Sorry - the Compass tires are sold.

Dan


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Dave Redmon  wrote:

> Are the Compass tires still on hand for sale?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:22:34 PM UTC-6, danmc wrote:
>
>> Sorry. The Cosmo is taken. I'll be putting out a revised list in a bit
>> with some new additions.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> > On Jan 8, 2014, at 8:13 PM, grrlyrida  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Dan,
>> >
>> > I'm interested in the Cosmo rack if it's still available.
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Misc. parts for a San Marcos build

[Jim Bronson]

Pull hard!  ;)
On Jan 8, 2014 6:53 PM, "PeterG"  wrote:

> Phillip,
> I have googled it and can't seem to find out how to make the 135mm wheel
> set fit a 130mm space.Can you elaborate? Thanks
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Misc. parts for a San Marcos build

[jim]

what reach brakes do you need?

55-75?

Jim

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:41:29 PM UTC-6, PeterG wrote:
>
> Looking for some parts for a new to me San Marcos Frame/Fork:
> Brake: Shimano Tiagra sidepulls
> 9 speed cassette (11-32 or 11-34)...
> Sugino crank: wide/low double (40t x 26t)...thinking I might save a little 
> weight going double, but not sure
> Deraillers: Shimano cx70 Front & Shimano deore rear derailler
> Possibly a lightish wheelset for my jack browns...(130mm rear spacing) all 
> my other sets are 135mm spacing & wont fit...
>
> Frame/Fork was a Christmas present. Thinking of making this into a 
> light-ish bike with albatross and bar end shifters.
> Looking for used but lots of life left parts. Don't really have the cash 
> to buy all new. The frame is killing me just sitting here looking at me 
> waiting to be builtArgg
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[RBW] Re: Waterford Hilsen Pearl Blue

[Dan Bracey]

I got a pretty good match on my waterford Hilson with Testors model paint 
in Dark Blue

http://www.testors.com/products/135906



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> "Blue Angel blue" is obviously not the right color, but a nice accent to 
>> ToyoHomerBlue 
>
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Re: [RBW] FS - Nitto, Tubus, Compass Tires, Paul, and more

[Dave Redmon]

Are the Compass tires still on hand for sale?

Dave

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> Sorry. The Cosmo is taken. I'll be putting out a revised list in a bit 
> with some new additions. 
>
> Dan 
>
> > On Jan 8, 2014, at 8:13 PM, grrlyrida > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi Dan, 
> > 
> > I'm interested in the Cosmo rack if it's still available. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[Pam Ellen Hudson]

I will say, as the owner of a double tube mixte custom from Royal H (the 
lovelybike frame that was stolen but I got back!).  The bike is unusually 
flexible at high speeds going downhill.  There is quite a bit of flex in the 
frame generally.  I will test it out with lowered panniers in the next month 
and let me know of the results.  My frame is simply pristine -- but I had 
always been a roadie -- so for me the difference was significant.  I think that 
makes the mixte frame not the best choice for rando events or touring -- it 
does make a good commuter and is good for long rides though. 

My thoughts.  

On Jan 9, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Matthew J  wrote:

> > I meant to say that I prefer the looks of the "double lateral tube" style 
> > of step through bike than the "single diagatube" style.  :)
> 
> > SOMA Buena Vista is a nice "double lateral tube" design.  
> > http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8261188891_959b6b76ea_o.jpg 
> 
> The double tubes look nice and from the right builder can be a decent bike.  
> A lot of those double tubes are very flexible though and not in the planing 
> sort of way.  Riv (and others) single tube down tends to make a stronger bike.
> 
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:04:20 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
> I didn't mean to start a pedantic discussion around the term "mixte:" (but 
> thanks for the background info, Jan and co.)  Though I used it with what 
> seems to be a widely held distinction (at least in US).
> 
> I meant to say that I prefer the looks of the "double lateral tube" style of 
> step through bike than the "single diagatube" style.  :)
> 
> SOMA Buena Vista is a nice "double lateral tube" design.  
> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8261188891_959b6b76ea_o.jpg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Jan Heine  wrote:
> Interestingly, "mixte" seems to have a clear definition more in the U.S. than 
> in France. Of the great constructeurs, I've only seen the term "mixte" used 
> in the Goéland catalogue. Most speak of "vélo dame" or similar terms.
> 
> Regarding the frame design, the twin-diagonal-tubed mixte was invented by A. 
> Sixt in the 1930s, as a more triangulated design that was intended to make 
> the frame stiffer than the traditional women's frames with a deeply dropped 
> or even curved diagonal tube. He also used twin diagonal tubes to stiffen 
> tandem frames.
> 
> Around 1938, the great constructeur Reyhand developed a more sophisticated 
> frame design, with a dropped single top tube and two extra seatstays. In 
> profile, it looks similar to the twin-diagonal-tubed frame. To stiffen the 
> connection at the center of the frame, the extra stays extend beyond the seat 
> tube and attach to the diagonal tube as well. André Reiss, the maker of 
> Reynand, patented this design, as well as a tandem frame with two sets of 
> diagonal reinforcement stays (one set from the head tube to the rear BB, the 
> other from the front seat lug to the rear dropouts). After Reiss died in 
> World War II, the designs were widely copied.
> 
> You can see examples of these designs in the Bicycle Quarterly "Image 
> Archive" at
> 
> http://www.bikequarterly.com/color_photo_supplement.html
> 
> The twin-diagonal-tubed mixte was much easier to make, and thus remained 
> popular among mass producers. I don't think Sheldon Brown was even aware of 
> the second "Reyhand" type when he coined his definition of mixte, but he was 
> thinking of women's frames with either a dropped top tube with no extra rear 
> stays (which puts bending loads on the seat tube and thus offends engineers) 
> or the twin-diagonal-tubed "mixte." More recently, Rivendell inspired its 
> mixtes on the "Reyhand" type, but without extending the extra stays beyond 
> the seat tube.
> 
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> Editor
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[RBW] Training ride today on Bleriot.

[Michael]

Training for upcoming Metric Century I hope to go on.
Went on the Bleriot.
Rolling hills of Howard County.
~30 degrees and still.
Nice ride.
Salty roads.
Bike felt rally draggy.
I think I am outta shape from not riding much since the cold weather has 
kicked in.
Legs were killing me and I was reduced to lamentably slow speeds.
27 miles of pain, but fun and rewarding to do the ride!

Weird, because I just did a long ride with Tony DeFillipo and Co. about two 
weeks ago and I felt great.

Here are a few pics from the Howard County Fairgrounds:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157639592411145/

What were your most painful rides?

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[RBW] Re: Regarding Seth Vidal

[hsmitham]

Eunice,

I too am furious that Mr. Kemp is only given a sentence of 12 to 24 months 
for taking a life your loves life. I am so sorry that you lost such a 
wonderful Human being. Sitting here typing I realize how inadequate I am in 
expressing my sorrow for you and Seth. My hope for you is that you find 
someone that Seth would have liked. I pray that you find joy and love from 
this devastating life altering event. Seth, will be loved forever.

~Hugh 

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 7:15:49 AM UTC-8, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> I thought some of you might be interested in an update about Seth's case. 
> Yesterday was the sentencing/verdict. 
>
>
> http://www.wral.com/man-pleads-guilty-in-durham-bicyclist-s-hit-and-run-death/13282993/
>  
>
>
> http://www.heraldsun.com/news/showcase/x1401031508/Man-sentenced-to-12-to-24-months-in-bikers-death
>
>
> http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/08/3516480/hit-and-run-driver-to-serve-1.html
>
> Eunice
>
>
> On Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:43:34 PM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>
>> Hi-
>>
>> You don't know me, but I'm Seth's partner Eunice. I have debated sending 
>> this, because I'm not really a Riv owner but thought you all might want to 
>> know.
>>
>> The bike he rode when he was killed was his Romulus. I don't know where 
>> it is, but it's probably being held for evidence.
>>
>> The other Riv bike he had, the Hilsen, was displayed prominently at his 
>> memorial service.
>>
>> I also wanted to thank you for your condolences.
>>
>> -Eunice
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:24:45 PM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>> I am deeply saddened to share the news with you that my friend and 
>>> longtime Riv owner and active RBW list participant Seth Vidal was killed by 
>>> a hit and run driver last night here in Durham, NC.  
>>>
>>> The latest info about the tragedy is here:
>>> http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/12639104/
>>> http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9166340
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Jack Warman
>>> Durham, NC
>>>  
>>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Updated : FS - Nitto, Tubus, Compass Tires, Paul, and mor

[Dan McNamara]

How does $95 sound?

> On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:57 AM, allenmichael  wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> What would be the price of the mavic rear wheel for pick up in SF?
> 
> michael allen
> 
>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:36:05 PM UTC-8, danmc wrote:
>> Updated and some additions. 
>> 
>> Shipping included where indicated. The bigger items are really dependent on 
>> how far you are from the SF Area. I can combo shipping and we can work out 
>> something if you want more than one item with included shipping. 
>> 
>> 
>> BRAKES: 
>> 
>> Paul Touring canti brakes - two wheels worth - anodized silver, black 
>> koolstop pads, new straddle wires plus some extra o-rings. $110 shipped 
>> 
>> Paul Love Lever Compact pair- new. Silver anodized. For linear-pull brakes. 
>> $80 shipped 
>> 
>> WHEELS: 
>> 
>> 700c rear wheel - Handspun built. New in box. Mavic A319 / Deore LX 8/9 
>> speed. 36-spoke. $110 shipped 
>> 
>> 700c wheelset - Twin Hollow / Tiagra 8/9 speed. 32-spoke. From Riv so FL 
>> built. Little use. $120 plus shipping 
>> 
>> 
>> DERAILLEURS: 
>> 
>> Shimano 105 10-speed triple front derailleur 5603 - new in box. I have two. 
>> $35 shipped each 
>> 
>> TIRES: 
>> 
>> Schwalbe Marathon Green Guard HS368 Pair - 650B x 42. new, never mounted. 
>> $40 shipped 
>> 
>> Fatty Rumpkin Kevlar bead Single. New in package. $35 shipped 
>> 
>> Conti Tour Ride 650B x 54 Pair. Light use. Great shape. $35 shipped 
>> 
>> 
>> MISC: 
>> 
>> Trico Iron Case - Never used. Perfect shape. Great bike shipping case for up 
>> to 63cm bike. $200 plus shipping. 
>> 
>> Yepp Mini front mount child seat. Orange. New in box. All hardware, $105 
>> shipped. 
>> 
>> - 
>> 
>> PayPal is the best way to handle a transaction. Personal/gift preferred 
>> unless you have moral issues with it. 
>> 
>> Local SF Area pickup/drop off is possible. Pictures on request. 
>> 
>> More to come 
>> 
>> Dan 
>> 
>> -Marin 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [RBW] Re: 13 shots for 13...2013 that is...and maybe a few more...

[Hugh Smitham]

Deacon,

Great images and obviously a wonderful year. Yes these images yours and
mine are my memory too. Been busy but will hopefully have mine submitted by
this weekend.

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> The experience of doing this was great! It's amazing to read some of my
> comments on the May snow photo and realize that section of trail was
> "technical" to me at the time. Yes, there are tricky parts, but I've ridden
> more technical since then and gotten my old 80's MTB skills back even with
> the vertigo.  Funny to think that before this year my main focus on biking
> was paved and dirt roads, and how much trail riding has opened up. I
> suppose I needed the first year to get comfortable on the bike and last
> year to push the envelope to trails. Plus seeing all the family trips and
> time with my daughters. I use my photos as my memory, and this was a great
> way to walk down memory trail! Grin. Thank you for the grand idea, Meade!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Updated : FS - Nitto, Tubus, Compass Tires, Paul, and mor

[allenmichael]

Dan,
What would be the price of the mavic rear wheel for pick up in SF?

michael allen

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:36:05 PM UTC-8, danmc wrote:
>
> Updated and some additions. 
>
> Shipping included where indicated. The bigger items are really dependent 
> on how far you are from the SF Area. I can combo shipping and we can work 
> out something if you want more than one item with included shipping. 
>
>
> BRAKES: 
>
> Paul Touring canti brakes - two wheels worth - anodized silver, black 
> koolstop pads, new straddle wires plus some extra o-rings. $110 shipped 
>
> Paul Love Lever Compact pair- new. Silver anodized. For linear-pull 
> brakes. $80 shipped 
>
> WHEELS: 
>
> 700c rear wheel - Handspun built. New in box. Mavic A319 / Deore LX 8/9 
> speed. 36-spoke. $110 shipped 
>
> 700c wheelset - Twin Hollow / Tiagra 8/9 speed. 32-spoke. From Riv so FL 
> built. Little use. $120 plus shipping 
>
>
> DERAILLEURS: 
>
> Shimano 105 10-speed triple front derailleur 5603 - new in box. I have 
> two. $35 shipped each 
>
> TIRES: 
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Green Guard HS368 Pair - 650B x 42. new, never mounted. 
> $40 shipped 
>
> Fatty Rumpkin Kevlar bead Single. New in package. $35 shipped 
>
> Conti Tour Ride 650B x 54 Pair. Light use. Great shape. $35 shipped 
>
>
> MISC: 
>
> Trico Iron Case - Never used. Perfect shape. Great bike shipping case for 
> up to 63cm bike. $200 plus shipping. 
>
> Yepp Mini front mount child seat. Orange. New in box. All hardware, $105 
> shipped. 
>
> - 
>
> PayPal is the best way to handle a transaction. Personal/gift preferred 
> unless you have moral issues with it. 
>
> Local SF Area pickup/drop off is possible. Pictures on request. 
>
> More to come 
>
> Dan 
>
> -Marin 
>
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[RBW] Re: 13 shots for 13...2013 that is...and maybe a few more...

[Deacon Patrick]

The experience of doing this was great! It's amazing to read some of my 
comments on the May snow photo and realize that section of trail was 
"technical" to me at the time. Yes, there are tricky parts, but I've ridden 
more technical since then and gotten my old 80's MTB skills back even with 
the vertigo.  Funny to think that before this year my main focus on biking 
was paved and dirt roads, and how much trail riding has opened up. I 
suppose I needed the first year to get comfortable on the bike and last 
year to push the envelope to trails. Plus seeing all the family trips and 
time with my daughters. I use my photos as my memory, and this was a great 
way to walk down memory trail! Grin. Thank you for the grand idea, Meade!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's imagine a Tallux with a removable faceplate.

[Jim Bronson]

Hear, hear!!
On Jan 9, 2014 8:44 AM, "Montclair BobbyB" 
wrote:

> Yes, I agree... the stem faceplate is one of those smart innovations that
> should be on EVERY stem, quill or threadless.  Same goes for brake levers
> and shifters... NOTHING should ever have to slide over the grips or
> navigate around impossible curves... they should directly install (in my
> opinion).
>
> Another pet peeve of mine is that quills (in general) come too short.  Of
> the 4 sets of Nitto Bullmoose bars I have bought, only one (for reasons
> unknown) has a halfway decent length, allowing me to achieve the height I
> really like. The others have only a few inches... I'm maxed out, still
> wishing for the option of more height.  I realize that for every tall
> whiner like me there are plenty of others who ride normal sized frames that
> probably can't handle a long quill...  But one of the great advantages of a
> quill IS the adjustability... so having limited adjustability (to me)
> diminishes the utility of a quill... End of rant.
>
> BB
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:04:54 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>>
>> I stand firm in my faith that in these troubled times, most if not all of
>> the world's problems could be solved with a tall, lustrous Nitto stem
>> featuring a removable faceplate.
>>
>> And by *most if not all of the world's problems*, I of course mean, "I'd
>> desperately like to try out the Albastache, but I'm pretty sure the
>> adhesive on my cork grips is MIL-SPEC."
>>
>> Imagine the clamor heard 'round the world, undulating and ceaseless,
>> resounding in force 'cross fiber and copper all the way to Walnut Creek,
>> where the powers that be see an earnest demand and figure out a way to get
>> the ball rolling.
>>
>> Me, I'd gladly pay $100.00 on up and in advance for 10cm worth of
>> polished panacea. Any similarly minded, dice-rollin' Early Adopters care to
>> weigh in?
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Warragul, VIC Australia
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 13 shots for 13...2013 that is...and maybe a few more...

[Christopher Chen]

Pretty fantastic. What a great year for meeting new friends and cranking
out the miles...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/sets/72157639584285216/


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Great idea. I liked the challenge of winnowing it to 13. Here's mine:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157639587890584/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:00:55 PM UTC-7, Meade Anderson wrote:
>>
>> its hard to  pick just a few photos from so many great rides however I
>> pared it down to 13, well make that just a few more than 13..anyone else
>> with a similar compilation should post away...
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/julianmeade/sets/72157638895721164/
>>
>> meade...who has taken up running in these single digit times...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

[Chris Lampe 2]

When I had my old Trek Multitrack re-fitted with a threadless fork it took 
two phone calls and a personal visit to the shop to convince them not to 
cut the steerer tube!   I told them to stack the spacers and put the stem 
at the very top (so I'd have plenty of cable length).  I'll admit it looked 
ridiculous and was uncomfortable to ride but I immediately dropped the stem 
about half-way down the steerer and went from there with experimenting for 
a final position.   
 

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:16:04 PM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:

> A friend of mine recently purchased a Long Haul Trucker from his LBS in 
> Wisconsin after coming up and test riding both my LHT and my Ogre to 
> decide which one he wanted to get. 
>  
> When the shop took delivery of the bike, my friend called me asking for my 
> advice as to what height he should have his steerer cut to, as the shop 
> was ready to cut it for him as part of the assembly and set-up process.
>  
> I told him to ask them not cut it at all, and to have them install 
> adequate spacers for assembly. I explained that he could then play around 
> with the height indefinitely and if and when he knew that he had his bars 
> exactly where he wanted them, we could then cut it. He was buying a 64cm 
> bike too, so it wasn't a ton of spacers. I also told him that my 64cm (that 
> he did a test ride on) still has the full steerer and that the stem was 
> right at the top.
>  
> He relayed his request to the shop (while I was still on the phone) and he 
> got a surprising amount of resistance! "No you don't want to do that", etc. 
> I kept insisting that that's exactly what he wanted them to do and it 
> almost became an argument with my friend stuck in the middle. They finally 
> agreed not to cut it and installed the spacers.
>  
> I guess some shops just have the mentality that the steerer needs to be 
> cut.
>  
> Shaun Meehan
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:50 PM, David Craig 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Wow, Jim, thanks for this information. 
>>
>> I had never really thought about this since I always ride Surly's largest 
>> sizes. I checked out the Surly site and noted that for the LHT, all sizes 
>> of the 700c bikes have a 320 mm steer tube. I'm glad I didn't get a 64cm 
>> LHT thinking I would get additional bar height over a 62! And I'm equally 
>> glad I didn't advise anyone to go for larger sizes just to get the bars 
>> higher because your point about the problem of getting too large of a frame 
>> when buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guidelines seems right on. 
>> However, negative perceptions about stacks o spacers on uncut tubes do 
>> complicate putting someone on the best frame size as you suggest. It took 
>> me a year to sell my wife on a steer tube extension for her road bike 
>> because she didn't like the way it looked. Neck pain and hand numbness 
>> eventually helped to make the case.
>>
>> I did note that the 26" LHT's do have different sized steerers for 
>> different ranges. Size 54 and below have a 300mm steer tube and 56 and 
>> above have a 380mm steer tube.
>>
>> It seems clear also that a 62cm CC would have a lower max bar height than 
>> a 62cm LHT given that CC's have a 300mm steer tube and LHT's have a 320mm 
>> tube. So . . . someone looking to get those bars up there for a given frame 
>> size would be better served by getting the LHT.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:53 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
>> Cyclery wrote:
>>>
>>> All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. 
>>> With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is 
>>> long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old 
>>> Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, 
>>> but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on 
>>> steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of 
>>> the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, 
>>> get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely 
>>> worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can 
>>> have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm 
>>> frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem 
>>> length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the 
>>> Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike 
>>> that's on the too-big side. 
>>>
>>> I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a 
>>> lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this 
>>> feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they 
>>> don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come 
>>> back to have the steerer shortened.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field

[Chris Lampe 2]

Shaun,
 
Based on my experience and research, I love the design of the Atlantis.  
However, it's a pricey option so I'm considering a LHT instead.  The only 
thing about the Trucker that concerns me is the chainstay length of 46cm 
(compared to the 44cm chainstays of the Atlantis).  You've ridden both so 
did you notice an appreciable difference in the ride/handling that can be 
attributed to that additional 2cm of chainstay length on the LHT?  
 

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:19:05 AM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got a 64cm LHT that replaced a 68cm Atlantis. There is probably 1 or 
> 2 more cm of seatpost showing on the Trucker but I feel more comfortable on 
> it. With spacers on the steerer the vertical relationship beween the saddle 
> and the bars is the same as on the Atlantis (bars slightly higher than 
> saddle). I sized the Atlantis based on PBH, as RBW recommends, and the top 
> tube always felt too long on the bike.
>  
> Shaun Meehan
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Matt Beebe 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim, I measured a 58 and and a 62, though my measurements may have 
>> been off by half a centimeter give or take.The 58 seems to have a 61cm 
>> actual TT length, and the 62 has a 63cm actual TT length.Doing some 
>> trigonometry the 58 Hunq has about a 63cm effective TT and the 62 has about 
>> a 65cm ETT.   
>>
>> Also there is a post here (
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/Z-4DozId6xI/9kcJ95rY5F0J) 
>> where William confirmed with Keven that the numbers had changed after the 
>> chart was made.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:22:50 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>> The following frames do not have expanded geometry: Atlantis, AHH, 
>>> Roadeo.
>>>
>>> The following do: Hillborne, Hunqapillar, Bombadil, San Marcos, Betty Foy
>>>
>>> The expanded ones are identified in the chart by their 6 degree toptube 
>>> slope (if they have a TT.) Any in that category should be showing just 
>>> effective TT length. If the Hunqapillar is not showing the true effective 
>>> TT number, then either geometry was changed without notice (since it is 
>>> subject to that), there is a misprint, or there is some other error.
>>>
>>> Matt, how do you know that the Hunqapillar's listed length is not the 
>>> real effective TT? Did you measure one? I've never done that on a sloping 
>>> frame. I guess that would be simple to do. Just curious, how did you do it? 
>>> (I might try a rigid meter stick held horizontal and a bubble level on top 
>>> of the stick, with the stick's zero positioned at the seat post center.)
>>>
>>> -Jim W.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Matt Beebe  wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not actually clear which frames on the current geometry chart show 
>>> the effective rather than actual TT lengths. I know for example that 
>>> the Hunqapillar TT lengths listed are definitely not effective length 
>>> though, I don't even think they are actual length.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:18 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:

 To David Craig's question: no, for Atlantis and AHH, the TT listings 
 are actual, not effective. So with those two, the effective TT is a bit 
 longer, but the effect is relatively small due to low angles. 

 But yes it's true that the expanded frames (6 degree upslope ones) only 
 list the effective TT, not actual. 

 If you like geometry and trigonometry, I figured our how to calculate 
 effective TT length. If you're interested, send me a private message. 

 -Jim W. 


 Sent from my iPhone 

 On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:23 PM, David Craig  wrote: 

 > Point taken, Matt. 
 > 
 > On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW 
 that they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? 
 If so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle 
 to the tt (Hilborne).? 
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[RBW] Re: 13 shots for 13...2013 that is...and maybe a few more...

[Deacon Patrick]

Great idea. I liked the challenge of winnowing it to 13. Here's 
mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157639587890584/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:00:55 PM UTC-7, Meade Anderson wrote:
>
> its hard to  pick just a few photos from so many great rides however I 
> pared it down to 13, well make that just a few more than 13..anyone else 
> with a similar compilation should post away...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/julianmeade/sets/72157638895721164/
>
> meade...who has taken up running in these single digit times...
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Regarding Seth Vidal

[Eunice Chang]

I thought some of you might be interested in an update about Seth's case. 
Yesterday was the sentencing/verdict. 

http://www.wral.com/man-pleads-guilty-in-durham-bicyclist-s-hit-and-run-death/13282993/
 

http://www.heraldsun.com/news/showcase/x1401031508/Man-sentenced-to-12-to-24-months-in-bikers-death

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/01/08/3516480/hit-and-run-driver-to-serve-1.html

Eunice


On Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:43:34 PM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Hi-
>
> You don't know me, but I'm Seth's partner Eunice. I have debated sending 
> this, because I'm not really a Riv owner but thought you all might want to 
> know.
>
> The bike he rode when he was killed was his Romulus. I don't know where it 
> is, but it's probably being held for evidence.
>
> The other Riv bike he had, the Hilsen, was displayed prominently at his 
> memorial service.
>
> I also wanted to thank you for your condolences.
>
> -Eunice
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:24:45 PM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
>>
>> Friends,
>>
>> I am deeply saddened to share the news with you that my friend and 
>> longtime Riv owner and active RBW list participant Seth Vidal was killed by 
>> a hit and run driver last night here in Durham, NC.  
>>
>> The latest info about the tragedy is here:
>> http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/12639104/
>> http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9166340
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Jack
>>
>> ---
>> Jack Warman
>> Durham, NC
>>  
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Utility of Mulitple Wheelset's

[Montclair BobbyB]

Yeah, I seem to end up with a surplus of front hubs from swap-outs (to 
replace with a dynamo)... One day I'm going to assemble some kind of 
Franken-creation utilizing these unwanted front hubs...

I also have old Uniglide cassette bodies that I wonder if they will every 
have some use in the future...  NAH

On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 6:28:14 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> True.  Especially considering that perfectly good "normal" front hubs are 
> practically free on the second hand market.  
>
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:55:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 01/07/2014 05:51 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: 
>> > It gets a lot more costly to run multiple wheelsets when dynamo hubs 
>> > come into play.  When there's a $300 hub in the equation, it's more 
>> > motivation to just do the tire swap when you need to.  Maybe that 
>> > motivates some to make sure that the dynamo wheel can interchangeably 
>> > run on different bikes, but that's different from running multiple 
>> > wheels on one bike 
>>
>> One popular use for multiple wheels would be to not use the generator 
>> hub on a given bike when no nighttime operation was contemplated, but 
>> rather to swap in a plain old wheel.  This would reduce mileage on the 
>> generator hub, sparing the more expensive (and not user serviceable) 
>> wheel. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Well Equipped 53CM, 1983 Squoia

[Montclair BobbyB]

Indeed (and I think finding a vintage tourer is still the best value out 
there)...but just knowing that you can still get one hand-made by Tim 
Neenan is pretty cool.  

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 5:56:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That's WAY less expensive than a New Sequoia:
>
> http://www.lighthousecycles.com/the-new-sequoia/
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 6, 2014 12:22:04 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> For Christmas I outfitted my wife's 1983 Sequoia with brand new Albas, 
>> thumbies, levers & index shifters; then gave her my good pair of wheels 
>> (Ultegra/Open Pro/Jack Browns).  Now I just made an impulsive purchase of 
>> the Betty Foy Demo which RBW offered for sale!  I know she'll love it but 
>> would never indulge herself!  So I'm offering her bike for sale: I can sell 
>> it with the new or old parts, all good, your choice.
>>
>> 1983, 53CM Specialized Sequoia, $1100 plus shipping
>>
>>
>> Frame -  Tange. excellent condition, paint scratches on chain stay & 
>> lower fork blade.  CS spread to 130mm
>>
>> Wheels: Ultegra Hubs, Open Pro Rims, Jack Brown Tires (Blue & Green)
>>
>> All in excellent condition.  
>>
>> Drive train- Stronglight Cartridge BB, Shimano 600 crank(46/36/24) (or 
>> Sugino XD2 if you prefer), Ultegra RD, Deore XT FD, Ultegra 9 spd 12-27, 
>> brand new conex chain.
>>
>> Cockpit: Stronglight headset, new Albas, new Tallex stem, new Shimano 
>> levers, new Paul’s thumbies, New Microshift 9 spd index shifters BE 
>> adapters included.
>>
>> Alternate choice, Noodle bars, nitto stem, Techtro levers, Silver Shfters
>>
>> Brakes: Suntour Superbe single pivot SP; SeatPost Nitto (26.9), SKS 
>> Fenders, touring pedals.
>>
>>
>> Saddle, mirror and Nitto rear rack not included.   
>>
>>
>> Pictures at:  https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25VaUrzMrRm8
>>
>>
>> MIchael
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Anyone else in the Bay Area sign up for 3CR?

[Eric Norris]

Haven't signed up yet, but I'll be riding the 1000K. 

–Eric N
Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On Jan 8, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> 
> http://www.santacruzrandonneurs.org/2014-3CRHome.html
> 
> Just curious.  I will be riding my Rivendell, of course.  Most of the 
> registrants are from California so I figure there must be at least one other 
> Rivendell owner in the mix.
> 
> -Jim
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mixte frame design question

[Matthew J]

> I meant to say that I prefer the looks of the "double lateral tube" style 
of step through bike than the "single diagatube" style.  :)

> SOMA Buena Vista is a nice "double lateral tube" design.  
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8261188891_959b6b76ea_o.jpg 

The double tubes look nice and from the right builder can be a decent bike. 
 A lot of those double tubes are very flexible though and not in the 
planing sort of way.  Riv (and others) single tube down tends to make a 
stronger bike.

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:04:20 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I didn't mean to start a pedantic discussion around the term "mixte:" (but 
> thanks for the background info, Jan and co.)  Though I used it with what 
> seems to be a widely held distinction (at least in US).
>
> I meant to say that I prefer the looks of the "double lateral tube" style 
> of step through bike than the "single diagatube" style.  :)
>
> SOMA Buena Vista is a nice "double lateral tube" design.  
> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8261188891_959b6b76ea_o.jpg
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Jan Heine 
> > wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, "mixte" seems to have a clear definition more in the U.S. 
>> than in France. Of the great constructeurs, I've only seen the term "mixte" 
>> used in the Goéland catalogue. Most speak of "vélo dame" or similar terms.
>>
>> Regarding the frame design, the twin-diagonal-tubed mixte was invented by 
>> A. Sixt in the 1930s, as a more triangulated design that was intended to 
>> make the frame stiffer than the traditional women's frames with a deeply 
>> dropped or even curved diagonal tube. He also used twin diagonal tubes to 
>> stiffen tandem frames.
>>
>> Around 1938, the great constructeur Reyhand developed a more 
>> sophisticated frame design, with a dropped single top tube and two extra 
>> seatstays. In profile, it looks similar to the twin-diagonal-tubed frame. 
>> To stiffen the connection at the center of the frame, the extra stays 
>> extend beyond the seat tube and attach to the diagonal tube as well. André 
>> Reiss, the maker of Reynand, patented this design, as well as a tandem 
>> frame with two sets of diagonal reinforcement stays (one set from the head 
>> tube to the rear BB, the other from the front seat lug to the rear 
>> dropouts). After Reiss died in World War II, the designs were widely copied.
>>
>> You can see examples of these designs in the Bicycle Quarterly "Image 
>> Archive" at
>>
>> http://www.bikequarterly.com/color_photo_supplement.html
>>
>> The twin-diagonal-tubed mixte was much easier to make, and thus remained 
>> popular among mass producers. I don't think Sheldon Brown was even aware of 
>> the second "Reyhand" type when he coined his definition of mixte, but he 
>> was thinking of women's frames with either a dropped top tube with no extra 
>> rear stays (which puts bending loads on the seat tube and thus offends 
>> engineers) or the twin-diagonal-tubed "mixte." More recently, Rivendell 
>> inspired its mixtes on the "Reyhand" type, but without extending the extra 
>> stays beyond the seat tube.
>>
>> Jan Heine
>> Editor
>> Bicycle Quarterly
>> www.bikequarterly.com
>>
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[RBW] Re: Let's imagine a Tallux with a removable faceplate.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Yes, I agree... the stem faceplate is one of those smart innovations that 
should be on EVERY stem, quill or threadless.  Same goes for brake levers 
and shifters... NOTHING should ever have to slide over the grips or 
navigate around impossible curves... they should directly install (in my 
opinion).

Another pet peeve of mine is that quills (in general) come too short.  Of 
the 4 sets of Nitto Bullmoose bars I have bought, only one (for reasons 
unknown) has a halfway decent length, allowing me to achieve the height I 
really like. The others have only a few inches... I'm maxed out, still 
wishing for the option of more height.  I realize that for every tall 
whiner like me there are plenty of others who ride normal sized frames that 
probably can't handle a long quill...  But one of the great advantages of a 
quill IS the adjustability... so having limited adjustability (to me) 
diminishes the utility of a quill... End of rant.

BB
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:04:54 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> I stand firm in my faith that in these troubled times, most if not all of 
> the world's problems could be solved with a tall, lustrous Nitto stem 
> featuring a removable faceplate.
>
> And by *most if not all of the world's problems*, I of course mean, "I'd 
> desperately like to try out the Albastache, but I'm pretty sure the 
> adhesive on my cork grips is MIL-SPEC."
>
> Imagine the clamor heard 'round the world, undulating and ceaseless, 
> resounding in force 'cross fiber and copper all the way to Walnut Creek, 
> where the powers that be see an earnest demand and figure out a way to get 
> the ball rolling.
>
> Me, I'd gladly pay $100.00 on up and in advance for 10cm worth of polished 
> panacea. Any similarly minded, dice-rollin' Early Adopters care to weigh in?
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Warragul, VIC Australia
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone on the list try the Brooks Cambium (C17)?

[Matthew J]

I have two now, one on my recreational road bike and one on my commuter.   

I set up and find the saddle feel closer to the Berthoud Aspin than the 
B17.  Angle slightly up as many do with the B17 not comfortable at all. 
 Flat as most recommend with the Berthoud it is a very comfortable saddle.  

Did some 40 to 70 mile rides in the summer and fall on the recreational 
bike.  My commute is around 7 miles.  So far it seems durable as well as 
comfortable.

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:39:10 PM UTC-6, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Hey group,  just wanted to know if anyone on the list has tried out the 
> Brooks Cambium/ C17? and how it might compare to a standard B17 in comfort. 
>   I know that its a little narrower(~10mm),  but just wanted to get an idea 
> of how the material feels when youre on it!thanks   -Mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's imagine a Tallux with a removable faceplate.

[Kieran J]

This talk makes me think of this Nitto stem, which I always sorta liked. 
Not sure what quill length these have though.
 
KJ
 
 
 



On Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:18:39 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

> Interesting.  The NTC-280 appears to be 280mm, I don't remember seeing 
> this one for sale anywhere. 
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Michael 
> > wrote:
>
>>   *NITTO already makes a pop-top quill stem.*
>>>
>>
>> Scroll to bottom of page to see it on the left:
>>  http://www16.ocn.ne.jp/~nitto210/stem-E.html
>>  
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[RBW] 13 shoys for 13…2013 that is…and maybe a few more

[Paul Germain]

I had a harder time paring down, Meade. All these memories of 2013 were to fun 
to discard from the list, so be forewarned:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157639553040304/


Most are in and around Virginia, but some are out of state - even a trip to 
L.A. to fellow Riv owner and bro-in-law, Ian.


I tried, but cannot recall a "bad" ride!


Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.




Meade said:
Meade Anderson  Jan 08 09:00PM -0500  

its hard to pick just a few photos from so many great rides however I
pared it down to 13, well make that just a few more than 13..anyone else
with a similar compilation should post away...
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/julianmeade/sets/72157638895721164/





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Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

[Jan Heine]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:03:09 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Did all French builders use the TT stays? 
>
>
> Peugeot made many women's bikes with a single dropped top tube, but no 
extra rear stays. In the 1980s, their inexpensive models had the twin 
diagonal stays, but the more expensive,  performance-oriented women's model 
had the single, dropped top tube. I suspect the single dropped tube was 
influenced by the fashion for Italian bikes. Many Italian makers offered 
frames of this type. (In Germany where I grew up, it was very unusual even 
for a "sporting" woman to ride a "men's frame", so you saw these Italian 
frames, outfitted with Campagnolo components, on training rides.)

I've often wondered about the ride of these women's bikes. From a basic 
engineering perspective, I understand the idea that ending a tube in the 
middle of another tube is a big no-no – you want triangulation. That 
clearly is what Reyhand was thinking when he developed the model with the 
extra rear stays, which transmit the loads of the diagonal tube to the rear 
dropouts. On the other hand, the flexing of the seat tube (on the Italian 
frames) could provide a little suspension, which might not be bad. Then you 
have all the issues of frame flex and planing... where a "compact" frame 
(since that is what the Reyhand style was, if you remove the uppermost set 
of seat stays) might be stiffer than perhaps ideal for its rider.

Jan Heine
Editor
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Travel - Share your thoughts

[Steven Frederick]

If you're getting a rental car, just make sure you get one that can fit a
bike.  When I went to Tucson a few Christmas's ago, I rented a Dodge
Caliber and it made a fine bike hauler with the back seats folded.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/5025927918/lightbox/

Can't say there was much else  to like about the car (which we dubbed the
"Dodge Ugly") but for a rental it was fine...

Steve Frederick, in frozen, snowy East Lansing, MI


On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Minh  wrote:

> Just to tack onto this discussion, what do people do when they get to
> their destination?  Perfect world, unpack the bike and ride from the
> airport, or taxi to hotel then ride, but what if bike is only part of the
> trip?  How do you manage transporting by rental car?
>
> Would like to hear how people manage this in practical terms, i've always
> wanted to bring a bike but it seems like too much of a hassle.
>
> On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:26:18 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> I can certainly see how it would be more convenient to schlep around. But
>> I am a little concerned about this size frame fitting into the S&S box. I
>> haven't done any extensive reading or first hand trying, but it looks like
>> it might be a no-go.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:10:02 PM UTC-5, dailyrandonneur wrote:
>>
>>> I've traveled with singles and tandems, both full size and S&S. Every
>>> airline is different as another responder mentioned, and they change their
>>> policies from time to time, so nothing is completely static.
>>>
>>> One relative constant has been allowable size for checked luggage, 62
>>> linear inches. Outside that dimension you typically pay oversize fees even
>>> if you don't exceed the maxiumum weight limit.
>>>
>>> For the occasional trip, there is no doubt that paying the oversize fee
>>> and dragging around a full-size bike box is cheaper. I liked the Crateworks
>>> corrugated plastic box, it is lighter than a hard case but tougher than
>>> cardboard, folds up for storage and can be re-used.
>>>
>>> After a few trips, however, you could end up pay as much in fees as
>>> buying couplers and the S&S case. The advantages of S&S, in terms of
>>> reduced packing hassle and ease of movement during your trip, are of value
>>> to me even if I never fully pay off through travel. This is especially true
>>> with a tandem, where the trouble of lugging a huge box and paying big fees
>>> at the counter isn't my idea of fun travel.
>>>
>>> If you know you are going to travel with a frameset and are getting it
>>> repainted anyway, it's the right time to consider couplers. I recommend
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 2, 2014 11:16:04 AM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:

  Hey Y'alls,

 I'm starting to think about air travel with a bike, with the first
 possible destination of the Bay Area this upcoming summer (hoping to
 repatriate the Ram Dawg, at least for a visit).

 Do any of you have experience with bike boxes or bike bags, on an
 airline? TSC/ATA cases, fabric bags, cardboard bike boxes even?

 At first, I entertained the idea of installing S&S couplers on the Ram
 (it needs new paint anyways) but together, the retrofit would cost large
 $$. So now I'm thinking about just flying with it, as is. The Ram is a
 66cm, so finding a box that would accommodate its sprawl would be one of
 the chief concerns.

 Any good experiences? Things to avoid? Anything to report with
 various airlines' policies and costs, as well?

 Thanks!

 Kieran in Toronto

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's imagine a Tallux with a removable faceplate.

[Jim Bronson]

Interesting.  The NTC-280 appears to be 280mm, I don't remember seeing this
one for sale anywhere.


On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Michael  wrote:

> *NITTO already makes a pop-top quill stem.*
>>
>
> Scroll to bottom of page to see it on the left:
>  http://www16.ocn.ne.jp/~nitto210/stem-E.html
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[RBW] Re: Anyone else in the Bay Area sign up for 3CR?

[stevew]

Looks like a fantastic ride.  I'm sort of kind of considering it, but our 
brevet series here in New England ends on July 26, and I'd like to have a 
little more rest time before tackling the 1200.  Plus, I'll be traveling 
the week before, so it probably just won't work out.  I did the Surf City 
600K a few years ago, and it was simply stunning - one of the best rides 
I've ever done.  You Californians have it made.  

I do plan on going back for the 600K again this year at the end of 
September, riding my Ram, of course.

Steve

On Thursday, January 9, 2014 2:14:07 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> http://www.santacruzrandonneurs.org/2014-3CRHome.html
>
> Just curious.  I will be riding my Rivendell, of course.  Most of the 
> registrants are from California so I figure there must be at least one 
> other Rivendell owner in the mix.
>
> -Jim
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[RBW] Re: Let's imagine a Tallux with a removable faceplate.

[eflayer]

At least someone could bring back the cromo approach of the Salsa Sul 
quill...with longer quills. That was a lovely, svelte looking thing in 
multiple angles and could even be powdered to color of your choice. Maybe 
Richard Schwinn could do it.
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 6:04:54 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> I stand firm in my faith that in these troubled times, most if not all of 
> the world's problems could be solved with a tall, lustrous Nitto stem 
> featuring a removable faceplate.
>
> And by *most if not all of the world's problems*, I of course mean, "I'd 
> desperately like to try out the Albastache, but I'm pretty sure the 
> adhesive on my cork grips is MIL-SPEC."
>
> Imagine the clamor heard 'round the world, undulating and ceaseless, 
> resounding in force 'cross fiber and copper all the way to Walnut Creek, 
> where the powers that be see an earnest demand and figure out a way to get 
> the ball rolling.
>
> Me, I'd gladly pay $100.00 on up and in advance for 10cm worth of polished 
> panacea. Any similarly minded, dice-rollin' Early Adopters care to weigh in?
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Warragul, VIC Australia
>

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[RBW] Re: Waterford Hilsen Pearl Blue

[Coconutbill]

>
> "Blue Angel blue" is obviously not the right color, but a nice accent to 
> ToyoHomerBlue 

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