date:20140605

He did ask for 9 speed chains so...
http://www.ebikestop.com/kmc_x9_silverblack_9_speed_chain-CH4096.php

Free shipping at $109, so, maybe get 4 chains, a cassette, some tubes and
call it a day.

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

$10 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SRAM-PC-830-8-Speed-Chain-/121354999533

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:33:12 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:49:01 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 06/04/2014 07:26 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

I have a stack of these:

and a stack of these:

good cheap 9 speed chain
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/sram-pc971-9-speed-chain/rp-prod9873

$25 ea when you figure in the shipping; admittedly, $30 but a long way
from $13, too

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

The problem with nylon, or using the King / Nitto without straps as a fancy 
half clip, is the rider can flatten rather than get the foot into them when 
accelerating from a stand still such as from a traffic signal.

The BG half clips especially paired with White platforms but also on such 
diverse pedals as vintage Campy Record Stradas and MKS RX-1 is so natural. 
 Perhaps half clips not optimal for pure speed or beach cruising.  I find 
them very good for touring.  They hold the foot in place well enough on 
long stretches but allow me to quickly get my foot down when stopping with 
a loaded bike.  

Sure, could do the same clipless.  But clipless means bringing a second 
pair of shoes for off bike portion of my tours, something I really do not 
like doing.  Walking shoes take up too much space in the panniers for me.

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:21:02 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 I think the BG half-clips really look fine, but my daughter rides 
 half-clips on one bike and hers are nylon, we both ride Ale's on our 
 go-fast bikes, and I ride Grip Kings on my utility bike.  Maybe one day 
 I'll have the bike for them.  

 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:10:40 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:

 I love my BG half toe clips on White Industries pedals. 



 On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:50 PM, Matthew J matth...@gmail.com wrote:

  Either ride flats or clip in.

 Says you.  

 I am a huge fan of Bruce Gordon half clips.  They are on all of my bikes.



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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

 The problem with nylon, or using the King / Nitto without straps as a
 fancy half clip, is the rider can flatten rather than get the foot into
 them when accelerating from a stand still such as from a traffic signal.


I rode toeclips for 15+ years and I don't have problems with flattening the
cage.  So I think it's a matter of what you are accustomed to and
proficient with.  I see people struggling to get into clip-ins all the
time, so I don't think it's that different.

I still ride toeclips on my tandem.  I like to wear normal shoes and
toeclips are the best way to ride with what you brung, if you want to be
attached to the pedals.

The rest of the time, I do ride flat pedals because I don't think I am
losing that much by not being attached to the pedals.  Most of the time I
am able to keep up with all but the fastest rando riders on the long
distance rides I do.  If I am not able to keep up with the medium pace
group, the foot/pedal interface has never been the problem.  It's usually
not having had slept enough, eaten enough, drank enough, or something else
going wrong with the engine.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

SR-14 is busy?  I didn't think so when I rode it, granted, it was on a
Saturday morning.  As for the tunnels, there are buttons before each tunnel
you can push to activate warning lights to let drivers know that there are
cyclists in the tunnel.  I left my taillights on throughout the Gorge
section also so that they would be lit up in the tunnels.

The only part that I found busy was the intersection of US97 and it wasn't
that bad.  FWIW, we continued on all the way to Plymouth, WA, which was
quite a ways down the road, before turning north.

Taking SR-14 on the Washington side also affords you some excellent views
of Mt. Hood looking across the river, that you can't get from the Oregon
side.

That being said, if the powers that be extend the bike trail on the Oregon
side all the way to Hood River, that would be a real nice option.


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Shawn Granton 
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it were me, I'd stick to the south (Oregon) side the whole way to
 Deschutes River. SR 14 is fairly busy, just two lanes with minimal
 shoulders in places, and also feature a series of tunnels. Right now you
 can avoid riding on I-84 from Troutdale to Hood River for all but about 15
 miles between Cascade Locks and Hood River. (They just completed a section
 of the Historic Columbia River Hwy trail right around Bonneville, and the
 state and other agencies seem to really be serious about completing the
 missing link of trail in a shortish amount of time.)

 Staying on SR-14 also means missing out on one of the best sections of the
 old Historic Columbia River Hwy: between Hood River and The Dalles. The
 Rowena Curves are pretty awesome, and you don't want to miss the chance
 that the ex-mayor of Mosier taking a pic of you in front of the Mosier
 Totems.

 -Shawn


 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:28:36 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 https://goo.gl/maps/NeMmX

 Parallel roads on the south side of I-84 west of Bridge of the Gods.
 Ride WA-14 though the narrowest parts of the Gorge, much nicer.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, Jan Heine rode from the end back to Seattle per his blog.
 However, after 360+ miles of gravel and dirt, I'm not sure that would be my
 first choice.

 If I lived in Portland, I'd just see if I could get someone to retrieve
 me via car as Interstate 84 is right by Deschutes State Park.

 Riding to Portland would be an option, the wind does not always howl
 through the gorge, and it doesn't always blow west to east either.  But if
 you caught it on a bad day it wouldn't be pleasant.

 Taking a route through the mountains would be an alternative if it was
 windy.  I would not want to take US26, but I know people do use bikes on
 that route sometimes.  It looks like there are quite a lot of National
 Fores (NF) roads and other back roads looking at Google Maps, but I would
 want local maps before deciding on a route.

 I'm sure there's some Portlanders who have some cycling routes through
 the mountains that avoid heavily traveled roads - Lolo Pass Road/NF-18
 skirting the north and west flanks of Mt. Hood looks interesting.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The riders got to Klamath Falls via Amtrak. How did they get back from
 the Deschutes? For me, I'd be taking the train both ways, so as relaxing as
 the train is (very), it's going to be just as relaxing in the other
 direction. OTOH, if I was taking the train to or from the Deschutes, the
 nearest station would be Portland. If I remember correctly, the ferocious
 wind blows up the Gorge, so starting from Portland, riding to the start of
 the Oregon Outback and then riding the route south would make more sense to
 me.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 After much consideration, we opted to ride the route South to North
 for two reasons:  1) get the train and boxing up the bikes out the way
 first; and 2) 4k net elevation loss from K-Falls to the Deschutes.  I’d
 definitely do it this way again.  The elevation loss wasn’t a big deal, 
 but
 I loved relaxing on the train, pouring over maps, drinking beers and
 getting psyched to ride.  Riding the train at the end would mean being
 dirty, smelly, tired and just-wanting-to-get-home.

 http://velodirt.com/the-oregon-outback/


  On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Eric ericwo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why was the route ridden South to North?

 With the winds, wouldn't it be better to ride from North to South?


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 11:09:55 PM UTC-5, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

 -ant

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

 I rode toeclips for 15+ years and I don't have problems with flattening 
the cage.  So I think it's a matter of what you are accustomed to and 
proficient with.  I see people struggling to get into clip-ins all the 
time, so I don't 
 think it's that different. 

My reference above is to using the nylon and King / new Nitto style without 
straps.  In my experience the straps themselves provide an assist to 
getting into the pedal.  Even with fairly thick shoes and socks the rider 
can tell almost instantaneously whether properly in the cage or not.  

Riding half clip without straps you really do not feel the clip until 
putting full weight on the pedal.  When hurrying from a traffic light on 
crowded streets that can result in misplaced feet squishing the half clip. 
 At least for me this never happens with the BG half clips. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

2014-06-05 Thread Steven Frederick

Heh, you should put tread in quotation marks, 'cause the PariMoto don't
have any.  Or much anyway...

Steve


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 By the way, I've been asking them to make the Pari Moto tread in a larger
 size, so if that's something you want email them and let them know that I'm
 not just a crazy person. You can also tweet at Jeff @panaracerjeff

 http://www.panaracer.com/contact.php

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[RBW] Large Saddlesack space between rack and saddle loop

2014-06-05 Thread 'Norman Bone' via RBW Owners Bunch

Hello-
I have 11 of space from the saddle loops to the rack on my AR. I'm wanting to 
buy and run a large Riv Saddlesack there but I was wondering if that is too 
much space. The specs for the bag make it seem that up to 9 is the max. Anyone 
using a large saddlesack with more than 9 of air between the saddle loops and 
your rack?

Thanks-

Norm in Portland

PS. I emailed Riv already and was told 'I don't know' in reply.

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[RBW] Re: Large Saddlesack space between rack and saddle loop

2014-06-05 Thread Deacon Patrick

I'm at 11 with at least 2 to spare.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Christopher Murray

Umm, are you fucking kidding me?

Is this really appropriate? One of the reasons I follow this group is the 
respect that posters show other posters. I just don't see a need for this 
(never mind you are talking to Bruce Gordon who love him or hate him is an 
important person in American bicycles). 

Cheers!
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand it is if 
you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other suppliers 
enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either increase production 
and compete on volume or raise your prices and hope that your brand is 
stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You can't whinge that somebody 
copied your idea that was a copy of sombody else's in the first place. If 
competition isn't youre thing get a patent or consider setting up shop in North 
Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for custom touring bikes there.

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list.
On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand it
 is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other
 suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either
 increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and hope
 that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You can't
 whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody else's in
 the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or consider
 setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for custom
 touring bikes there.

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

2014-06-05 Thread Ron Mc

9 speed, $18 + change shipped

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SRAM-PC-951-9-Speed-Bicycle-Chain-w-Gold-Powerlink-Road-MTB-fits-FSA-Shimano-/331224048199

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:44:58 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

He did ask for 9 speed chains so...
http://www.ebikestop.com/kmc_x9_silverblack_9_speed_chain-CH4096.php

Free shipping at $109, so, maybe get 4 chains, a cassette, some tubes and
call it a day.

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wrote:

$10 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SRAM-PC-830-8-Speed-Chain-/121354999533

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:33:12 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:49:01 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 06/04/2014 07:26 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

I have a stack of these:

and a stack of these:

good cheap 9 speed chain
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/sram-pc971-9-speed-chain/rp-prod9873

$25 ea when you figure in the shipping; admittedly, $30 but a long
way from $13, too

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Joe Bunik

Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not
been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable
source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the
sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not
that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough).

My $.02, everybody be coool ok?
=- Joe Bunik
'nut Creek, CA

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 I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list.
 On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand it
 is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other
 suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either
 increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and hope
 that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You can't
 whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody else's
 in
 the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or
 consider
 setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for custom
 touring bikes there.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread Shawn Granton

Yes, SR 14 can be busy. And there's quite a bit of tractor trailer action
too, which isn't fun when there is little to no shoulder. Traffic lessens
the further east you go, but the section between Bridge of the Gods and
Bingen can be gnarly. Plus, the Hood River Bridge is off limits to
cyclists, so if you are on the Washington side and want to cross, you'll
need to hitch a ride.

The counterpoint to the Mount Hood views from the Washington side is the
views of Mount Adams you'd get from the Oregon side.

The biggest deal breaker with the Oregon side is the unavoidable section of
I-84.

Shawn
On Jun 5, 2014 7:18 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 SR-14 is busy?  I didn't think so when I rode it, granted, it was on a
 Saturday morning.  As for the tunnels, there are buttons before each tunnel
 you can push to activate warning lights to let drivers know that there are
 cyclists in the tunnel.  I left my taillights on throughout the Gorge
 section also so that they would be lit up in the tunnels.

 The only part that I found busy was the intersection of US97 and it wasn't
 that bad.  FWIW, we continued on all the way to Plymouth, WA, which was
 quite a ways down the road, before turning north.

 Taking SR-14 on the Washington side also affords you some excellent views
 of Mt. Hood looking across the river, that you can't get from the Oregon
 side.

 That being said, if the powers that be extend the bike trail on the Oregon
 side all the way to Hood River, that would be a real nice option.


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Shawn Granton 
 urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it were me, I'd stick to the south (Oregon) side the whole way to
 Deschutes River. SR 14 is fairly busy, just two lanes with minimal
 shoulders in places, and also feature a series of tunnels. Right now you
 can avoid riding on I-84 from Troutdale to Hood River for all but about 15
 miles between Cascade Locks and Hood River. (They just completed a section
 of the Historic Columbia River Hwy trail right around Bonneville, and the
 state and other agencies seem to really be serious about completing the
 missing link of trail in a shortish amount of time.)

 Staying on SR-14 also means missing out on one of the best sections of
 the old Historic Columbia River Hwy: between Hood River and The Dalles. The
 Rowena Curves are pretty awesome, and you don't want to miss the chance
 that the ex-mayor of Mosier taking a pic of you in front of the Mosier
 Totems.

 -Shawn


 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:28:36 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 https://goo.gl/maps/NeMmX

 Parallel roads on the south side of I-84 west of Bridge of the Gods.
 Ride WA-14 though the narrowest parts of the Gorge, much nicer.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, Jan Heine rode from the end back to Seattle per his blog.
 However, after 360+ miles of gravel and dirt, I'm not sure that would be my
 first choice.

 If I lived in Portland, I'd just see if I could get someone to retrieve
 me via car as Interstate 84 is right by Deschutes State Park.

 Riding to Portland would be an option, the wind does not always howl
 through the gorge, and it doesn't always blow west to east either.  But if
 you caught it on a bad day it wouldn't be pleasant.

 Taking a route through the mountains would be an alternative if it was
 windy.  I would not want to take US26, but I know people do use bikes on
 that route sometimes.  It looks like there are quite a lot of National
 Fores (NF) roads and other back roads looking at Google Maps, but I would
 want local maps before deciding on a route.

 I'm sure there's some Portlanders who have some cycling routes through
 the mountains that avoid heavily traveled roads - Lolo Pass Road/NF-18
 skirting the north and west flanks of Mt. Hood looks interesting.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The riders got to Klamath Falls via Amtrak. How did they get back from
 the Deschutes? For me, I'd be taking the train both ways, so as relaxing 
 as
 the train is (very), it's going to be just as relaxing in the other
 direction. OTOH, if I was taking the train to or from the Deschutes, the
 nearest station would be Portland. If I remember correctly, the ferocious
 wind blows up the Gorge, so starting from Portland, riding to the start of
 the Oregon Outback and then riding the route south would make more sense 
 to
 me.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 After much consideration, we opted to ride the route South to North
 for two reasons:  1) get the train and boxing up the bikes out the way
 first; and 2) 4k net elevation loss from K-Falls to the Deschutes.  I’d
 definitely do it this way again.  The elevation loss wasn’t a big deal, 
 but
 I loved relaxing on the train, pouring over maps, drinking beers and
 getting psyched to ride.  Riding the train at the end would mean being
 dirty, smelly, tired and

[RBW] Riding the Columbia Gorge

Shawn,

I'll take your word for it since I no longer live in Oregon.  I will say
that WA-14 did seem really nice at 7ish am on a Saturday morning.  Maybe we
just got through before the tourist traffic started.

Since the Hood River bridge doesn't allow bicycles, do either the 197 or 97
bridges allow it?


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Shawn Granton 
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, SR 14 can be busy. And there's quite a bit of tractor trailer action
 too, which isn't fun when there is little to no shoulder. Traffic lessens
 the further east you go, but the section between Bridge of the Gods and
 Bingen can be gnarly. Plus, the Hood River Bridge is off limits to
 cyclists, so if you are on the Washington side and want to cross, you'll
 need to hitch a ride.

 The counterpoint to the Mount Hood views from the Washington side is the
 views of Mount Adams you'd get from the Oregon side.

 The biggest deal breaker with the Oregon side is the unavoidable section
 of I-84.

 Shawn
 On Jun 5, 2014 7:18 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 SR-14 is busy?  I didn't think so when I rode it, granted, it was on a
 Saturday morning.  As for the tunnels, there are buttons before each tunnel
 you can push to activate warning lights to let drivers know that there are
 cyclists in the tunnel.  I left my taillights on throughout the Gorge
 section also so that they would be lit up in the tunnels.

 The only part that I found busy was the intersection of US97 and it
 wasn't that bad.  FWIW, we continued on all the way to Plymouth, WA, which
 was quite a ways down the road, before turning north.

 Taking SR-14 on the Washington side also affords you some excellent views
 of Mt. Hood looking across the river, that you can't get from the Oregon
 side.

 That being said, if the powers that be extend the bike trail on the
 Oregon side all the way to Hood River, that would be a real nice option.


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Shawn Granton 
 urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it were me, I'd stick to the south (Oregon) side the whole way to
 Deschutes River. SR 14 is fairly busy, just two lanes with minimal
 shoulders in places, and also feature a series of tunnels. Right now you
 can avoid riding on I-84 from Troutdale to Hood River for all but about 15
 miles between Cascade Locks and Hood River. (They just completed a section
 of the Historic Columbia River Hwy trail right around Bonneville, and the
 state and other agencies seem to really be serious about completing the
 missing link of trail in a shortish amount of time.)

 Staying on SR-14 also means missing out on one of the best sections of
 the old Historic Columbia River Hwy: between Hood River and The Dalles. The
 Rowena Curves are pretty awesome, and you don't want to miss the chance
 that the ex-mayor of Mosier taking a pic of you in front of the Mosier
 Totems.

 -Shawn


 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:28:36 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:

 https://goo.gl/maps/NeMmX

 Parallel roads on the south side of I-84 west of Bridge of the Gods.
 Ride WA-14 though the narrowest parts of the Gorge, much nicer.



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[RBW] Re: Large Saddlesack space between rack and saddle loop

2014-06-05 Thread EGNolan

I had a too small for me mountain bike that had loadsa space, well over 
12, there was a bit of a gap w/ the Large saddlesack, but there wasn't 
much swaying and very minimal thigh rub (not much gap  no rub when fully 
loaded). Not sure what question the I don't know reply was to, but I hope 
this helps a bit. It's a wonderful bag, I've bought  sold two and am 
keeping the one I currently have until I change my mind again.
 
Best,
Eric 
Indpls
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread Jan Heine

A wider smooth tire with an extra-supple casing... so the Schwalbes 
wouldn't be such a great option.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
2116 Western Ave.
Seattle WA 98121
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:20:04 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example, 
 the Schwalbe Super-Motos? 


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net 
 javascript: wrote:

 My 42 mm Compass Babyshoe Pass Extralight tires were great on 85% of the 
 gravel sections. There were a number of places where the gravel was very 
 sandy and soft, where everybody seemed to have trouble. Wider tires would 
 have been useful there.

 On the other hand, 30% of the ride was on paved roads, where any knobbies 
 would slow you down considerably. It's no coincidence that the two fastest 
 finishers were on road tires (38 and 42 mm wide). My current hypothesis is 
 that wider high-performance road tires (if they were in fact available) 
 would be ideal for this event, but considering the currently available 
 options, I'd choose the same tires again if I was going for a fast time.

 Jan Heine
 Compass Bicycles Ltd.
 www.compasscycle.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/


 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:46:17 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Jan said after the ride that he would have preferred something fatter 
 than 42 mm for the dirt sections. I think a low profile knobby in like 
 52-56 mm wide would be ideal. Schwalbe makes some super plush XC racing 
 tires like the Thunder Burt that would be great  for this ride. I know of a 
 few people who used these and were very pleased with the performance on 
 this ride.  

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.

 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:58:52 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon 
 Outback.
 https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?
 set=a.10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016type=1

 What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9 smooth 
 Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and 
 the 3 tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.

 Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe 
 Pass tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and 
 disc 
 brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure. 


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann velo...@gmail.com wrote:

 When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't 
 want to go it alone.

 Mike


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?  

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's 
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread Jan Heine

The key is not to give up performance on 90% of the course to gain a little 
on the remaining 10%.

Jan Heine

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:47:30 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:

 A wider smooth tire with an extra-supple casing... so the Schwalbes 
 wouldn't be such a great option.

 Jan Heine
 Compass Bicycles Ltd.
 2116 Western Ave.
 Seattle WA 98121
 www.compasscycle.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:20:04 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example, 
 the Schwalbe Super-Motos? 


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net wrote:

 My 42 mm Compass Babyshoe Pass Extralight tires were great on 85% of the 
 gravel sections. There were a number of places where the gravel was very 
 sandy and soft, where everybody seemed to have trouble. Wider tires would 
 have been useful there.

 On the other hand, 30% of the ride was on paved roads, where any 
 knobbies would slow you down considerably. It's no coincidence that the two 
 fastest finishers were on road tires (38 and 42 mm wide). My current 
 hypothesis is that wider high-performance road tires (if they were in fact 
 available) would be ideal for this event, but considering the currently 
 available options, I'd choose the same tires again if I was going for a 
 fast time.

 Jan Heine
 Compass Bicycles Ltd.
 www.compasscycle.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/


 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:46:17 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Jan said after the ride that he would have preferred something fatter 
 than 42 mm for the dirt sections. I think a low profile knobby in like 
 52-56 mm wide would be ideal. Schwalbe makes some super plush XC racing 
 tires like the Thunder Burt that would be great  for this ride. I know of 
 a 
 few people who used these and were very pleased with the performance on 
 this ride.  

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.

 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:58:52 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon 
 Outback.
 https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?
 set=a.10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016type=1

 What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9 smooth 
 Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and 
 the 3 tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.

 Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe 
 Pass tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and 
 disc 
 brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure. 


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann velo...@gmail.com wrote:

 When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't 
 want to go it alone.

 Mike


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?  

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's 
 input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

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[RBW] Re: Large Saddlesack space between rack and saddle loop

I don't know means Riv doesn't want to guess in favor of it working, then 
have the buyer discover it doesn't. Also, they don't know. 

Joe I had that bag and I don't know, either Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:46:35 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:

 I had a too small for me mountain bike that had loadsa space, well over 
 12, there was a bit of a gap w/ the Large saddlesack, but there wasn't 
 much swaying and very minimal thigh rub (not much gap  no rub when fully 
 loaded). Not sure what question the I don't know reply was to, but I hope 
 this helps a bit. It's a wonderful bag, I've bought  sold two and am 
 keeping the one I currently have until I change my mind again.
  
 Best,
 Eric 
 Indpls
  
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

2014-06-05 Thread EGNolan

Praise be to Panaracer. 
 
I've been riding the non tourguard Pasela's in 700 cx 35 for a while, but 
summer is almost here, maybe time to lose the fenders on the Raleigh, so 
I'd love to see those Pasela 38's, but I'm not having much luck... Evan, or 
anyone else for that matter, do you have a place to procure said 38's? 
 
Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

2014-06-05 Thread Chris Chen

Aren't the C-lines basically pasellas anyway? No belt, same tread, probably
same casing...

You and a sharpie can make them pasellas :)


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM, EGNolan egno...@gmail.com wrote:

 Praise be to Panaracer.

 I've been riding the non tourguard Pasela's in 700 cx 35 for a while, but
 summer is almost here, maybe time to lose the fenders on the Raleigh, so
 I'd love to see those Pasela 38's, but I'm not having much luck... Evan, or
 anyone else for that matter, do you have a place to procure said 38's?

 Thanks,
 Eric
 Indpls



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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button. 

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not 
 been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable 
 source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the 
 sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not 
 that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough). 

 My $.02, everybody be coool ok? 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 'nut Creek, CA 

 On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list. 
  On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote: 
  
  Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand 
 it 
  is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other 
  suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either 
  increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and hope 
  that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You can't 
  whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody else's 
  in 
  the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or 
  consider 
  setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for 
 custom 
  touring bikes there. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

 Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not 
 been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable 
 source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the 
 sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not 
 that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough). 

My take as well.  Convert the linked price in pounds to dollars the savings 
on the MKS version is not all that much.  Benefits working directly with a 
small manufacturer seem more than worth the slight upcharge.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

Yeah, it's a Pasela but with a folding bead. They don't offer the non TG 
with a folding bead.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:58:44 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

 Aren't the C-lines basically pasellas anyway? No belt, same tread, 
 probably same casing...

 You and a sharpie can make them pasellas :)


 On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM, EGNolan egn...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Praise be to Panaracer. 
  
 I've been riding the non tourguard Pasela's in 700 cx 35 for a while, but 
 summer is almost here, maybe time to lose the fenders on the Raleigh, so 
 I'd love to see those Pasela 38's, but I'm not having much luck... Evan, or 
 anyone else for that matter, do you have a place to procure said 38's? 
  
 Thanks,
 Eric
 Indpls

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

All my hopes dreams are fulfilled!

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button. 

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not 
 been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable 
 source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the 
 sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not 
 that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough). 

 My $.02, everybody be coool ok? 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 'nut Creek, CA 

 On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list. 
  On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote: 
  
  Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand 
 it 
  is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other 
  suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either 
  increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and 
 hope 
  that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You 
 can't 
  whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody 
 else's 
  in 
  the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or 
  consider 
  setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for 
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

How small and sad a victory.
On Jun 5, 2014 1:06 PM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote:

 All my hopes dreams are fulfilled!

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button.

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not
 been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable
 source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the
 sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not
 that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough).

 My $.02, everybody be coool ok?
 =- Joe Bunik
 'nut Creek, CA

 On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote:
  I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list.
  On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand
 it
  is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then
 other
  suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either
  increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and
 hope
  that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You
 can't
  whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody
 else's
  in
  the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or
  consider
  setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for
 custom
  touring bikes there.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread john muhl

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com
wrote:

 So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example,
 the Schwalbe Super-Motos?


It's probably apples to oranges but for the gravelly/unpaved roads we have
here in north TX (i.e. the flat kind) I've yet to find a tire more
comfortable or faster feeling than the Super Moto.

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

Being this cranky requires years of dedication and practice. I'm still new 
at it.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:07:22 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 How small and sad a victory. 
 On Jun 5, 2014 1:06 PM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 All my hopes dreams are fulfilled!

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button. 

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not 
 been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable 
 source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the 
 sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not 
 that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough). 

 My $.02, everybody be coool ok? 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 'nut Creek, CA 

 On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list. 
  On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote: 
  
  Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I 
 understand it 
  is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then 
 other 
  suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either 
  increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and 
 hope 
  that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You 
 can't 
  whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody 
 else's 
  in 
  the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or 
  consider 
  setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for 
 custom 
  touring bikes there. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread Anne Paulson

The trouble with the Super Moto is, nobody seems to have it. I looked all
over online. One online store allowed me to order the Super Moto 29s, and
took my credit card and everything, but then this morning I got an email
that they were out of stock. Grrr.

I'm taking the Krampus to Montana for a little riding around, mostly on the
road, in August. I wish I could use the Super Motos for a wide smooth tire,
but instead I'll mount the Big Apples. Fortunately, speed is not an issue;
I'm not fast on any tire.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM, john muhl johnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example,
 the Schwalbe Super-Motos?


 It's probably apples to oranges but for the gravelly/unpaved roads we have
 here in north TX (i.e. the flat kind) I've yet to find a tire more
 comfortable or faster feeling than the Super Moto.

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[RBW] Re: Large Saddlesack space between rack and saddle loop

11 is perfect for the saddle sack large.  Check the recent photo I posted 
in a thread titled everyone should have at least one bosco bike.  That 
bosco bike has a Brooks saddle and a Nitto R-14 rack with exactly 11 of 
clearance from rack to bag loops and there's a SaddleSack Large mounted 
there for you to view.  

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:09:30 AM UTC-7, Norman Bone wrote:

 Hello-
 I have 11 of space from the saddle loops to the rack on my AR. I'm 
 wanting to buy and run a large Riv Saddlesack there but I was wondering if 
 that is too much space. The specs for the bag make it seem that up to 9 is 
 the max. Anyone using a large saddlesack with more than 9 of air between 
 the saddle loops and your rack?

 Thanks-

 Norm in Portland

 PS. I emailed Riv already and was told 'I don't know' in reply.


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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread Tim Gavin

Jan-

I'd also love a wider, supple tire for gravel.

I'm a huge fan of the Grand Bois tires (I run Lierres on my Riv Road
conversion and Cerf Blues on my Giordana gofast).  I'm sure I'll love the
Compass tires that will replace them.

However, I'd love a Big Apple/Supermoto sized Compass tire!  26 x 2.1
and/or 2.35.  I'm sure they'd be a hit in 700c sizes at those widths too.

For now, I really dig the ITS DJ Mk2 micro knobby in 26 x 2.1.  It's a
supple, light, fast, wide tire.  The micro knobs are great on gravel, and
the center block is reverse for faster on-road manners.  This tire rides
suprisingly similar to my Lierres, but with the added cush of another 1/2
inch of width.

And it's out of stock.  So please make a compass tire 2 wide.  The 26 x
1.75 are a bit too narrow for me.

Thanks!

Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA


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wrote:

 The trouble with the Super Moto is, nobody seems to have it. I looked all
 over online. One online store allowed me to order the Super Moto 29s, and
 took my credit card and everything, but then this morning I got an email
 that they were out of stock. Grrr.

 I'm taking the Krampus to Montana for a little riding around, mostly on
 the road, in August. I wish I could use the Super Motos for a wide smooth
 tire, but instead I'll mount the Big Apples. Fortunately, speed is not an
 issue; I'm not fast on any tire.


 On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM, john muhl johnm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example,
 the Schwalbe Super-Motos?


 It's probably apples to oranges but for the gravelly/unpaved roads we
 have here in north TX (i.e. the flat kind) I've yet to find a tire more
 comfortable or faster feeling than the Super Moto.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Large Saddlesack space between rack and saddle loop

2014-06-05 Thread Chris Chen

I've got about 9 and that's about right

But, worst case, get longer leather straps to hang? I also attach the
bottom of my saddlesack to the rack with bungie balls, so it's pretty damn
secure


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 11 is perfect for the saddle sack large.  Check the recent photo I posted
 in a thread titled everyone should have at least one bosco bike.  That
 bosco bike has a Brooks saddle and a Nitto R-14 rack with exactly 11 of
 clearance from rack to bag loops and there's a SaddleSack Large mounted
 there for you to view.


 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:09:30 AM UTC-7, Norman Bone wrote:

 Hello-
 I have 11 of space from the saddle loops to the rack on my AR. I'm
 wanting to buy and run a large Riv Saddlesack there but I was wondering if
 that is too much space. The specs for the bag make it seem that up to 9 is
 the max. Anyone using a large saddlesack with more than 9 of air between
 the saddle loops and your rack?

 Thanks-

 Norm in Portland

 PS. I emailed Riv already and was told 'I don't know' in reply.

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[RBW] Re: Everyone needs at least one Bosco bike

Bumped so Norman Bone can see the photo

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:49:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

My Bosco bike was half-heartedly intended to sell at the Elementary School
auction, but I overestimated the good taste of my clientele, and the bike
is mine. Since the failed auction I've been given a super swank
period-correct set of Suntour brakelevers that are more motorcycle style.
I also got my R-14 rack fitted with long struts so the Bosco-Mount can
take my Saddlesack Large. I got a super compact solo tent that straps
under the bosco bars very cleanly, and as a last item I'm looking into
contracting a frame bag for under the top tube from my friend Ely at
RuthWorks. This thing is going to be S24O ready.

Funny aside. After riding this guy for over a month I only just realized
that the smallest two freewheel cogs are fried. They skip terribly with
the rest of the drivetrain new. The bigger four cogs are all perfecto.
Previous owner(s) must have lived in the smallest two cogs. For the time
being I've just set the limit screw so I now have a 3x4 12-speed. 26/38/48
in front and 17-20-24-30 in back. For a bike of this kind, I am challenged
to think of anything I'm missing.

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Bruce Gordon

Dear Evan and All Who have been following this thread,
You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and that you 
are new at it.
I'd say you are pretty good at it already.
My question for you is do you work in the bike biz???  Who do you work for???
Regards,
Bruce Gordon
www.bgcycles.com
www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
(707) 762-5601

On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote:

 Being this cranky requires years of dedication and practice. I'm still new at 
 it.
 
 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:07:22 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
 How small and sad a victory.
 
 On Jun 5, 2014 1:06 PM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote:
 All my hopes dreams are fulfilled!
 
 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
 Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button. 
 
 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not 
 been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable 
 source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the 
 sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not 
 that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough). 
 
 My $.02, everybody be coool ok? 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 'nut Creek, CA 
 
 On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list. 
  On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote: 
  
  Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I understand it 
  is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then other 
  suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can either 
  increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and hope 
  that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You can't 
  whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody else's 
  in 
  the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or 
  consider 
  setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for custom 
  touring bikes there. 
  
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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

2014-06-05 Thread Wildcat96

Those pics are awesome.  Despite my failed BB, I still had a blast and plan 
to be there again next year with my Sam!

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:26:23 AM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:

 Here are links to pictures of the race:
 You do not need a facebook account to view these pics.

 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.664251316961829.1073741948.357965467590417type=1

 http://adventuremonkey.com/blog/dirty-kanza-200-2014-edition




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[RBW] Rivendell Bicyle Works Custom Atlantis Touring Bike 54.5cm - High end build delivered 7/27/13 AS NEW Condition

2014-06-05 Thread Ted Lavoie

 

Rivendell Bicyle Works Custom Atlantis Touring  Bike 54.5cm – High end 
build delivered 7/27/13 *AS NEW Condition* 

*$5,000 Cash – PayPal add 3%*

 

*Rivendell Bicycle Works  Atlantis Custom Touring Bike Build – with high 
end components intended for serious loaded Touring.  Delivery Certification 
7/26/2013 Serial Number L11092. Beautifully executed Custom build by Brian 
at Rivendell, with extreme attention to detail, practical necessity for a 
Touring Bike, and  esthetics. Custom Meteor Gray LM7W (Porsche Gray) frame 
paint job.  Designed with thought by Grant, for day and night riding with 
SON Delux front hub Dyno providing power for front Luxos –B Headlamp and 
rear Luxos Safety light (stays lit with lithium battery reserve, when bike 
is stopped)*

 

*This is a one of a kind Atlantis Touring Bike – with the Custom Gray paint 
– and has the recommended high end components of a Classic Rivendell Build 
for form and function.  Wish I cold keep the Atlantis !!   Normal Wait Time 
is 6 months + for frame,  1 – 2 months for build -  if you are between 5’ 
7” and under 6 ft, with a 30”stand over – this frame will fit – feel free 
to contact the Builder, Brian for details of this stunning Atlantis build.  
1 800 345-3918, br...@rivbike.com br...@rivbike.com.   See the Rivendell 
site www.rivbike.com http://www.rivbike.com for more details.*

 

*Incredibly supple compliant steel ride, and esthetically stunning Bike 
(see Pix)  Build cost was $6,400. The Atlantis has not been ridden with the 
exception of approximately 2 – 50 -75 mile rides to fit saddle height and 
adjust bar and seat positions.   Atlantis is being offered at a 23% 
discount to the Build Cost – at $5,000 – with no wait time.  Pictures 
highlight this incredible Atlantis Touring Bike.*

 

* Build Components:*

 

   - Rivendell Atlantis 54.5 Lugged Steel Frame Custom Meteor Gray frame 
   paint
   - Shimano Deore XT front Derailer
   - Shimano Deore XT rear Derailer – Long Cage Shadow
   - Shimano Dura Ace Bar end shifters – 9 SPD.
   - Sugino XD2 Crank 46/36/24
   - Rear Casset 9 SPD  11T – 32T  SRAM 9 SPD Chain
   - Tektro TRP SR Silver Drilled Alloy Brake Levers, Gum Hoods
   - Shimano CX70 Cantiliver Brakes
   - Nitto Lugged Quill Stem brushed aluminum 120
   - Nitto Noodle Touring Bars – w/multiple hand positions – great for long 
   days in the saddle
   - Chris King Cartridge Threaded Head Set
   - Brooks Honey Leather Bar Wrap – w/ Brass #26 Bell Stem Mounted
   - Nitto S65 Seat Post
   - Brooks B17 Special Honey Saddle w/brass rivets  (very comfortable for 
   long rides)
   - Front Wheel – AeroHeat 26 rims, SON Delux 36H Dyno Hub, Stainless 
   Spokes
   - Rear Wheel – AeroHeat 26 rims, 36H Shimano Hub, Stainless Spokes
   - Soma New Express 26 X 1.75 Touring Tires, Creme
   - SKS/ESGE Silver P55 Break Away Fenders,  Sackville TanCanvass Mud 
   Flaps (2)
   - Nitto Big Rack Touring Racks  front  rear , 9mm Chromolly  Nickel 
   plated
   - Pletscher Twin-Legged Kickstand, polished aluminum
   - MKS Urban Platform pedals with VO Half Moon Stainless toe clips – 
   Honey leather stiching
   - Front Luxos-B Dyno Headlight INCREDIBLE illumination at night with 
   controlled beam
   - Rear Dyno Rack Safety Light –stays lit when you are stopped for safety
   - Sackville Small Leather/canvass Seat Bag
   - King Stainless Waterbottle Cages (2) (room for 3)
   - Brooks Brick Lane Roll Up Panniers – Tan Canvass ($350) included
   - Cat Eye Urban Wireless Speed/Distance Monitor (included)

 

*Rivendell has not been ridden other than the test rides mentioned  – 
always stored with bicycle collection in controlled temperature – has never 
seen rain, fog or moisture, and is Touring Ready perfect.  *Less than 150 
miles on the Frame – owner had 13 bikes in his collection when the Atlantis 
was built in June 2013.  Regretfully selling due to downsizing from a home 
with a garage – now no place to store more than 2 bikes– and with injuries 
and business problems there will be no long range loaded Touring. Sweet, 
good steel ride with compliance and road feel. Surprisingly responsive with 
the 26” AeroHeat wheels and the Soma Express 26X1.75 Crème tires – good 
looks and good performance.

 

This bike is stored in Corte Madera, CA and will be shown by appointment 
(serious offers only please).


All Pix I have attempted to post keep showing as Too Large for this 
posting Group - so please email me for a full Picture Set of the Atlantis


Call TL 415 309-8025 (owner)…for info, more pix.  

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Re: [RBW] Chain Woes

2014-06-05 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro

Ah, but chain cleaning (like tube patching and net mending) is a satisfying
art!

I wipe off the chain, then mix hot water with Dawn and Simple Green in a
plastic container, toss in the chain, agitate the h_ll out of it, then pour
off the liquid, wipe the chain, and rinse a couple more times. Dry with a
heat gun, then lube with something light (ProGold), wipe, and bag for a
week or so. Then wipe it down again thoroughly and lube with Chain-L.

FWIW, I have had one chain break in 45 years of riding, and it was on a
single-speed with a Sachs 8-speed chain and wasn't (IIRC) a removable
link. I *was* pulling a trailer with children at the time, so that may
have been a factor.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:01:03 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:

$10 shipped
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SRAM-PC-830-8-Speed-Chain-/121354999533

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:33:12 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:49:01 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 06/04/2014 07:26 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

I have a stack of these:

and a stack of these:

good cheap 9 speed chain
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/sram-pc971-9-speed-chain/rp-prod9873

$25 ea when you figure in the shipping; admittedly, $30 but a long way
from $13, too

Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

That is quite an endorsement.

http://about.me/evanbaird/

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

My question for you is do you work in the bike biz???   

I do not work in the bike business.

But having bought four steel and one Ti Bruce Gordon half clips over the 
years I think I am qualified to say they are very good!

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:13:46 PM UTC-5, bgcycles wrote:

 Dear Evan and All Who have been following this thread,
 You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and that 
 you are new at it.
 I’d say you are pretty good at it already.
 My question for you is do you work in the bike biz???  Who do you work 
 for???
 Regards,
 Bruce Gordon
 www.bgcycles.com
 www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
 (707) 762-5601
  
 On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Being this cranky requires years of dedication and practice. I'm still new 
 at it.

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:07:22 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 How small and sad a victory. 
 On Jun 5, 2014 1:06 PM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote:

 All my hopes dreams are fulfilled!

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button. 

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage not 
 been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable 
 source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the 
 sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)... not 
 that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough). 

 My $.02, everybody be coool ok? 
 =- Joe Bunik 
 'nut Creek, CA 

 On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list. 
  On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote: 
  
  Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I 
 understand it 
  is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then 
 other 
  suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can 
 either 
  increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and 
 hope 
  that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You 
 can't 
  whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody 
 else's 
  in 
  the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or 
  consider 
  setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for 
 custom 
  touring bikes there. 
  
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[RBW] Re: Someone here may be interested...

2014-06-05 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

There is no specific restriction on posting RBW bike ads found here and 
there.  

The post should be clearly marked as to whether the ad is yours, or whether 
the seller is known to you. The intent is to reduce any kind of implied 
recommendation, if it's just a faceless/unknown person selling the bike. 
 Many of us in this group have known one another (virtually) for many 
years, and have a good sense of whose word they would take with no further 
question.

Commonly, someone here in the group knows the seller, and it seems that 
often they chime in with comments on the bicycle in question.  

It also helps to reveal bikes which may have gone missing over the years.

hope that makes sense!

- Jim / list admin

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:24:57 PM UTC-7, L. J. Charlton wrote:

 My apologies if I am breaking protocol -- some groups do not like FS 
 postings if the poster doesn't own the item -- but I thought there may be 
 interest in the Pittsburgh Craigslist ad for a 66cm Qucikbeam.

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

No question about it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

So you work at Merry sales and Interloc, then this is some personal thing
and doesn't belong on the group feed, IMO.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

 My question for you is do you work in the bike biz???

 I do not work in the bike business.

 But having bought four steel and one Ti Bruce Gordon half clips over the
 years I think I am qualified to say they are very good!


 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:13:46 PM UTC-5, bgcycles wrote:

 Dear Evan and All Who have been following this thread,
 You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and that
 you are new at it.
 I’d say you are pretty good at it already.
 My question for you is do you work in the bike biz???  Who do you work
 for???
 Regards,
 Bruce Gordon
 www.bgcycles.com
 www.brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com
 (707) 762-5601

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Being this cranky requires years of dedication and practice. I'm still
 new at it.

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:07:22 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 How small and sad a victory.
 On Jun 5, 2014 1:06 PM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote:

 All my hopes dreams are fulfilled!

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:56:53 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Evan wins the coveted I was mean to Bruce Gordon button.

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:42:50 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait, is this about toe cages or something else? Has Ron/King Cage
 not
 been able to keep pace with market demand? He (KC) is an admirable
 source for very specific, handmade USA accessories and is just the
 sort of small business I hate to see undermined (even by Nitto)...
 not
 that it hasn't happened to him before (cough, Velo Lemon cough).

 My $.02, everybody be coool ok?
 =- Joe Bunik
 'nut Creek, CA

 On 6/5/14, Peter Morgano uscpet...@gmail.com wrote:
  I dunno, this seems personal now. Maybe take this issue off-list.
  On Jun 5, 2014 11:24 AM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Maybe I just don't get how capitalism works, but the way I
 understand it
  is if you make a commodity and supply is outpaced by demand then
 other
  suppliers enter the market and stimulate competition. You can
 either
  increase production and compete on volume or raise your prices and
 hope
  that your brand is stronger. Novel ideas are awatded patents. You
 can't
  whinge that somebody copied your idea that was a copy of sombody
 else's
  in
  the first place. If competition isn't youre thing get a patent or
  consider
  setting up shop in North Korea. I hear there's a brisk market for
 custom
  touring bikes there.
 
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[RBW] Greetings from #20

2014-06-05 Thread jenny klug

This just in! Orders over $75 ship for F R E E !

Howdy from one of your resident RBW-shippers,

You hollered, we listened. Effective June 5, 2014, orders over $75 will 
ship for free! It’s been a long time coming, and has required some trial 
and error, but we’ve finally found shipping methods that work really well 
for us. And for you.

Orders between $75 and $150 will ship via UPS SurePost. What the heck is 
SurePost, you ask? It’s a collaborative effort between UPS and USPS— UPS 
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http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=39. Any other inquiries, feel free 
to drop me/Jenny a line: jenny AT rivbike DOT com. 

Keep the orders coming!

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

I agree. Keep your personal gripes to yourself.

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[RBW] FS: Bags Shameless Plug.

2014-06-05 Thread David Banzer

Hello! Sorry to iBOB listers for the crosspost.

I started making basic small bags and have a couple for sale here: 
treetop.bigcartel.com

Short story and Riv content...
I tried to set my new Riv Redwood up as a front rack loaded rando style bike. 
Affected handling too much for my taste. This coincided with finding some small 
pieces of cotton duck and the great bag experiment started to outfit my Redwood 
with bags that didn't rely on rack supports. Basically I wanted to split loads 
between a saddle wedge and a front bag. The experiment continues and basic bag 
making has become a fun hobby. I'll continue to make bags, some for myself to 
test, some to sell to raise money for more bag-related tools. 

Just a note as well. Custom bags probably aren't in my plans in the near future.

Input is welcome though! I'm going to design a rackless front bag shortly. Any 
thoughts on front bags that attach to handlebars/stem-or-headtube?

Thanks,
David
Chicago


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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

Nice attitude, luckily how you act doesn't reflect on your brand, oh wait.
On Jun 5, 2014 3:14 PM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree. Keep your personal gripes to yourself.

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread David Yu Greenblatt

Obviously Evan is campaigning to win Soma/Merry Sales a coveted SOPWAMTOS
Golden Toidy Award.
Grant of Rivendell won one in 2005, so this thread remains On Topic.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Nice attitude, luckily how you act doesn't reflect on your brand, oh wait.
  On Jun 5, 2014 3:14 PM, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree. Keep your personal gripes to yourself.



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[RBW] Re: Greetings from #20

Jenny, you rule!  

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 12:05:45 PM UTC-7, jenny klug wrote:

 This just in! Orders over $75 ship for F R E E !

 Howdy from one of your resident RBW-shippers,

 You hollered, we listened. Effective June 5, 2014, orders over $75 will 
 ship for free! It’s been a long time coming, and has required some trial 
 and error, but we’ve finally found shipping methods that work really well 
 for us. And for you.

 Orders between $75 and $150 will ship via UPS SurePost. What the heck is 
 SurePost, you ask? It’s a collaborative effort between UPS and USPS— UPS 
 picks up our packages, delivers it to your nearest Post Office, and USPS 
 delivers it to you. It’s a pretty sweet relationship. And orders over $150 
 will continue to ship via UPS Ground (with the exception of larger, 
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 your order more quickly, please feel free to choose 3-day, 2-day, or 
 next-day service when you checkout.

 Thanks for all your patience and feedback while we’ve worked on figuring 
 this all out. Most shipping-related questions can be answered here 
 http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=39. Any other inquiries, feel 
 free to drop me/Jenny a line: jenny AT rivbike DOT com. 

 Keep the orders coming!

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Christopher Murray

I may or may not work in the bike industry- I hardly see how that is relevant 
here. My point was that we should be respectful. I don't think that is 
unreasonable. 

Cheers!
Chris 

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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

Just for the record, I only ride Gripkings. Toe clips are strictly for 
suckers who want to break their ankles.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 12:39:03 PM UTC-7, David G wrote:

 Obviously Evan is campaigning to win Soma/Merry Sales a coveted SOPWAMTOS 
 Golden Toidy Award. 
 Grant of Rivendell won one in 2005, so this thread remains On Topic.  
  
  
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 javascript: wrote:

 Nice attitude, luckily how you act doesn't reflect on your brand, oh 
 wait. 
  On Jun 5, 2014 3:14 PM, Evan Baird vanst...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 I agree. Keep your personal gripes to yourself.



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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

 That is quite an endorsement.

 http://about.me/evanbaird/ 
http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fevanbaird%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFDbpDUNN6SlVPC1tYOuGvAV22XSw

Based on my experience with IRD freewheels, not sure I would claim an 
association with them as bicycle props.



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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

Haha fair point. I meant this part.

You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and that 
you are new at it.
I’d say you are pretty good at it already.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:41:38 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

  That is quite an endorsement.

  http://about.me/evanbaird/ 
 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fevanbaird%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFDbpDUNN6SlVPC1tYOuGvAV22XSw

 Based on my experience with IRD freewheels, not sure I would claim an 
 association with them as bicycle props.



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Re: [RBW] Quick question on the Cheviot

FACT:  The Cheviut and Appaloosa are both exceedingly difficult to wheelie. 
 I am notably inept at popping wheelies, but I'm even more inept on those 
two bikes.  Thank goodness there exist no photo or video records of me 
trying.  It's sad.  

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:38:58 PM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:

 The long chainstays will make it more difficult to loft the front wheel 
 over logs, etc.

 Eric 
 Dublin, OH
 bikingtoplay.blogspot.com


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 Wouldn't the extra long chainstays be prohibitive to riding anything too 
 technical?  I have very little experience with MTBs.

 Jason
 SF,CA

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 It's a bit early for Riv to answer via email and this bike is on my mind. 
 Just wondering if anybody knows the wheel size for a 55cm Cheviot?
  
 I'm seriously thinking this will be my next riv...set up like a mountain 
 bike with albas. 

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[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

2014-06-05 Thread 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch

Chad,
I can't believe I rode by without noticing your bike!!!  I must have had 
the tunnel vision going with the road being so crowded early in the race. 
 How did the Sam perform on the rough roads with your tire choice and 
mustache bars?  I was amazed at how stable the Atlantis was in the rough 
stuff and how fast and far I was able to coast down the hills.  The 
vibrations from the stiff tires with too much air pressure really wore on 
me towards the end of the race; I might wrap a layer of cork tape on the 
handlebars to see if it absorbs some of the vibrations.  Fortunately the 
roads smoothed out for the last 20-30 miles.  I am sorry to hear about your 
mechanical problems; you will have to give it a try again next year.

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Re: [RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.

Force Field Fatty Rumpkins!  Awesome.  Way to thumb your nose at the Supple 
Zealots.  Those FFFs are S for Stout, not S for Supple.  

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 6:01:13 PM UTC-7, Wildcat96 wrote:

 It started with a light grinding sound and I thought I had a peddle or 
 something in my chain.  I looked down and my crank was wobbling side to 
 side so I wasn't able to use my big ring.  I though a crank arm was lose 
 and made sure both sides were tight.  I tried to soldier on, but the 
 grinding turned in to creaking and my left side crank arm was pushed over 
 and  rubbing through the lip of the bottom bracket and the drive side arm 
 was pushed out and could be wiggled up and down and metal grounds were 
 coming out.  The BB was toast.  I had never crashed or  hit any objects 
 with the crank.  My LBS mechanic was at the race for support and agreed it 
 was toast.  It was the 107mm bottom bracket (Tange?)that came installed in 
 my Sam when I got the frame from Riv and I had the bike shop prep and 
 assemble the bike and thoroughly check everything during assembly and 2 
 days before the race.  I was pretty upset, but can't really blame Riv or 
 the LBS for a bad BB.  I've attached pics of my Sam 2 days before (country 
 bike version) and a day after the race (gravel racer).

 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:20:09 PM UTC-5, Christopher Chen wrote:

 what happened to your bottom bracket?



  

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[RBW] Re: Greetings from #20

Hi Jenny,

Does the SurePost over $75 free shipping thingy work for USPS post office 
boxes?

Thanks,
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 12:05:45 PM UTC-7, jenny klug wrote:

 This just in! Orders over $75 ship for F R E E !

 Howdy from one of your resident RBW-shippers,

 You hollered, we listened. Effective June 5, 2014, orders over $75 will 
 ship for free! It’s been a long time coming, and has required some trial 
 and error, but we’ve finally found shipping methods that work really well 
 for us. And for you.

 Orders between $75 and $150 will ship via UPS SurePost. What the heck is 
 SurePost, you ask? It’s a collaborative effort between UPS and USPS— UPS 
 picks up our packages, delivers it to your nearest Post Office, and USPS 
 delivers it to you. It’s a pretty sweet relationship. And orders over $150 
 will continue to ship via UPS Ground (with the exception of larger, 
 high-value orders, like bikes and wheels and so on). As usual, if you need 
 your order more quickly, please feel free to choose 3-day, 2-day, or 
 next-day service when you checkout.

 Thanks for all your patience and feedback while we’ve worked on figuring 
 this all out. Most shipping-related questions can be answered here 
 http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=39. Any other inquiries, feel 
 free to drop me/Jenny a line: jenny AT rivbike DOT com. 

 Keep the orders coming!

 Your pal,
 —jenny @ RBW




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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

Haha BG's original point is that Nitto's product is a direct copy of one 
from a small US shop which is still in production. He's right.

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:44:49 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:

 Haha fair point. I meant this part.

 You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and 
 that you are new at it.
 I’d say you are pretty good at it already.

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:41:38 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

  That is quite an endorsement.

  http://about.me/evanbaird/ 
 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fevanbaird%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFDbpDUNN6SlVPC1tYOuGvAV22XSw

 Based on my experience with IRD freewheels, not sure I would claim an 
 association with them as bicycle props.



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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto



http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/photos/banksy_museum_picasso.jpg


On Thursday, June 5, 2014 2:21:57 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Haha BG's original point is that Nitto's product is a direct copy of one 
 from a small US shop which is still in production. He's right.

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:44:49 PM UTC-7, Evan Baird wrote:

 Haha fair point. I meant this part.

 You said being cranky requires years of dedication and practice, and 
 that you are new at it.
 I’d say you are pretty good at it already.

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:41:38 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

  That is quite an endorsement.

  http://about.me/evanbaird/ 
 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fevanbaird%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFDbpDUNN6SlVPC1tYOuGvAV22XSw

 Based on my experience with IRD freewheels, not sure I would claim an 
 association with them as bicycle props.



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[RBW] Re: Greetings from #20

2014-06-05 Thread jenny klug

Hi Joe,

Yes, SurePost ships to US PO Boxes.

Thanks!
--jenny @ RBW

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 2:13:56 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Hi Jenny,

 Does the SurePost over $75 free shipping thingy work for USPS post 
 office boxes?

 Thanks,
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 12:05:45 PM UTC-7, jenny klug wrote:

 This just in! Orders over $75 ship for F R E E !

 Howdy from one of your resident RBW-shippers,

 You hollered, we listened. Effective June 5, 2014, orders over $75 will 
 ship for free! It’s been a long time coming, and has required some trial 
 and error, but we’ve finally found shipping methods that work really well 
 for us. And for you.

 Orders between $75 and $150 will ship via UPS SurePost. What the heck is 
 SurePost, you ask? It’s a collaborative effort between UPS and USPS— UPS 
 picks up our packages, delivers it to your nearest Post Office, and USPS 
 delivers it to you. It’s a pretty sweet relationship. And orders over $150 
 will continue to ship via UPS Ground (with the exception of larger, 
 high-value orders, like bikes and wheels and so on). As usual, if you need 
 your order more quickly, please feel free to choose 3-day, 2-day, or 
 next-day service when you checkout.

 Thanks for all your patience and feedback while we’ve worked on figuring 
 this all out. Most shipping-related questions can be answered here 
 http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=39. Any other inquiries, feel 
 free to drop me/Jenny a line: jenny AT rivbike DOT com. 

 Keep the orders coming!

 Your pal,
 —jenny @ RBW




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[RBW] So who owns a Cheviot now?

2014-06-05 Thread Michael

Say it if 'ya got it.
Post a pic while yer at it!

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[RBW] Re: Function Testing - Please Ignore

2014-06-05 Thread Ron Mc

that is too cool a picture to ignore.  
I got one from a kayak trip last weekend
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bulldog1935/media/estes/boat/P6010014.mp4.html

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:55:30 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 ... or not!

 Just heard from a member they were having trouble attaching an image. 
  Found out that you need to be less than 2000 pixels on the longest end, so 
 just wanted to test that quickly...

 thanks!

 - J


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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Steve Palincsar


On 06/05/2014 02:55 PM, Evan Baird wrote:

That is quite an endorsement.

http://about.me/evanbaird/



or, as someone on this list used to say, Shameless self promotion?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Everyone needs at least one Bosco bike

2014-06-05 Thread Eric Daume

I've never liked the looks of the Bosco, but now I'm thinking that might go
really well on my latest city bike build, a Breezer 26 mountain frame
converted to city bike duties. My Mary bars are still a touch low.

You can see it here:
http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2014/06/weekend-riding-adventures-new-city-bike.html

Eric
Dublin, OH

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

Bumped so Norman Bone can see the photo

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:49:52 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

My Bosco bike was half-heartedly intended to sell at the Elementary
School auction, but I overestimated the good taste of my clientele, and the
bike is mine. Since the failed auction I've been given a super swank
period-correct set of Suntour brakelevers that are more motorcycle style.
I also got my R-14 rack fitted with long struts so the Bosco-Mount can
take my Saddlesack Large. I got a super compact solo tent that straps
under the bosco bars very cleanly, and as a last item I'm looking into
contracting a frame bag for under the top tube from my friend Ely at
RuthWorks. This thing is going to be S24O ready.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uqJzPXVQrr8/U44KrqHOAYI/B68/lc-pKo5EjKA/s1600/IMG_20140603_101528_845.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Function Testing - Please Ignore

2014-06-05 Thread Metin Uz

Quickbeam all the way to the Lighthouse? Major kudos!

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:55:30 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 ... or not!

 Just heard from a member they were having trouble attaching an image. 
  Found out that you need to be less than 2000 pixels on the longest end, so 
 just wanted to test that quickly...

 thanks!

 - J


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Re: [RBW] Quick question on the Cheviot

2014-06-05 Thread BenG

Re MTB chain stay length:  my 1990 MB-1 is much easier to pedal on long uphill 
trails than my 1987 Schwinn Sierra, and the Schwinn goes downhill like a rocket 
rail sled in comparison to the B'stone. Those two bikes are kind of at extremes 
of chainstay length - I think the MB-1 broke ground with short stays and the 
Schwinn is classic early trail bike. FWIW.

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[RBW] Thread Thwacking

2014-06-05 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Hey all - 

I just deleted the Nitto/Jewelry thread as it seems to have degenerated 
significantly.  I was going to just go through and pick off the posts that 
were getting less-than-civil, but I'm working on a project today and simply 
don't have the time to do so. Hence the big hatchet.

Apologies for the loss of information which might have been useful.  

I'd ask that folks please remember that being a part of the discussion 
means a polite and respectful tone in all posts.  Somethings don't come 
across particularly well through the written word.  And as a final 
suggestion, if you really have a point to make to a specific individual on 
this list, perhaps that is better done directly.

Thanks!

- Jim / admin-but-now-back-to-editing

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Re: [RBW] Re: Function Testing - Please Ignore

2014-06-05 Thread Lee Chae

He's not the group moderator for nothing!

Lee
SF, CA

 On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Metin Uz uz.me...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Quickbeam all the way to the Lighthouse? Major kudos!
 
 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:55:30 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
 ... or not!
 
 Just heard from a member they were having trouble attaching an image.  Found 
 out that you need to be less than 2000 pixels on the longest end, so just 
 wanted to test that quickly...
 
 thanks!
 
 - J
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: More jewelry from Nitto

2014-06-05 Thread Ken Mattina

Hey guys this kind of talk is supposed to happen in February.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 06/05/2014 02:55 PM, Evan Baird wrote:

 That is quite an endorsement.

 http://about.me/evanbaird/


 or, as someone on this list used to say, Shameless self promotion?


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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Roadeo, 58 Blue/White, Threadless $950

2014-06-05 Thread allenmichael

Help. I have too many bikes—too many Rivendell Bikes. I sold my Atlantis 
but then bought a second Rambouillet and a Roadeo.

Here is a link to the craigslist ad. No pictures yet, but I will try to get 
some up tomorrow.  The bike has been well ridden (not by me) and has paint 
chips and scratches.

I would prefer to sell locally in SF Bay Area but would be willing to ship.

The price is for the f/f/hs/bb, but I would also consider selling the bike 
complete. Most of the build details are in the craigslist ad.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/4506389915.html

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Roadeo, 58 Blue/White, Threadless $950

There's no such thing as a 58 Roadeo.  It comes in 57 and 59, though!

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:13:14 PM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:

 Help. I have too many bikes—too many Rivendell Bikes. I sold my Atlantis 
 but then bought a second Rambouillet and a Roadeo.

 Here is a link to the craigslist ad. No pictures yet, but I will try to 
 get some up tomorrow.  The bike has been well ridden (not by me) and has 
 paint chips and scratches.

 I would prefer to sell locally in SF Bay Area but would be willing to ship.

 The price is for the f/f/hs/bb, but I would also consider selling the bike 
 complete. Most of the build details are in the craigslist ad.

 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/4506389915.html


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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

2014-06-05 Thread Manuel Acosta

So what I'm hearing is that theres two nights at China Camp (Saturday and 
Sunday) then one night at Diablo?
If thats the plan here's some rides I can suggest.

I was planning on leading a ride from the Ferry building to china camp via 
that Saturday morning.
Proposed route here.
http://tinyurl.com/kfh3edw

Sunday Morning China camp ramble

Do a Mtbing loop. hang out maybe go bike and fish somewhere. Sleep. 

Alternative option For sunday after riding and fishing ( Take the ferry 
back the the City, bart to Walnut creek shell ride stealth camp)

Monday Morning: ride to top'o diablo campground and camp.Ride dirt Tuesday 
morning.

Just a thought of rides to expect.

Saturday seems doable. Maybe.
Sunday Riding can definitely happen.

Monday Riding is typical of the Tradition that is camping at Mt.Diablo

Let me know hows this fares with everyone.
I'm pretty sure we can just wing it too

Manny Acosta



On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:07:03 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 Jim,
 Thank you so much for the planning. I plan on being there all three nights.

 -Jim W.

 -Original Message- 
 From: Jim M. 
 Sent: Jun 2, 2014 8:19 PM 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF 
 Bay edition 

 As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China Camp for 
 2 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've reserved a 
 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I assume there 
 will be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal camping in the 
 backcountry for Monday. 

 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has RBW 
 all around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will be 
 forthcoming.

 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if you're 
 really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have many more 
 than that, we should get another campsite or two.

 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for something 
 (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let me know 
 that too.

 cheers
 jim 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread Mike Schiller

the Vee Rubber Speedster is very nice on gravel and fairly supple if you
keep the pressure down. Not so fast on pavement but either is a Big Apple.
I'd use it over the Big Apple any day of the week.. They make it in a 29
x 2.3 which would be great for your Krampus

~mike

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:20:04 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example,
the Schwalbe Super-Motos?

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net
javascript: wrote:

My 42 mm Compass Babyshoe Pass Extralight tires were great on 85% of the
gravel sections. There were a number of places where the gravel was very
sandy and soft, where everybody seemed to have trouble. Wider tires would
have been useful there.

On the other hand, 30% of the ride was on paved roads, where any knobbies
would slow you down considerably. It's no coincidence that the two fastest
finishers were on road tires (38 and 42 mm wide). My current hypothesis is
that wider high-performance road tires (if they were in fact available)
would be ideal for this event, but considering the currently available
options, I'd choose the same tires again if I was going for a fast time.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:46:17 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

Jan said after the ride that he would have preferred something fatter
than 42 mm for the dirt sections. I think a low profile knobby in like
52-56 mm wide would be ideal. Schwalbe makes some super plush XC racing
tires like the Thunder Burt that would be great for this ride. I know of a
few people who used these and were very pleased with the performance on
this ride.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:58:52 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon
Outback.
https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?
set=a.10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016type=1

What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9 smooth
Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and
the 3 tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.

Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe
Pass tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and
disc
brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure.

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann velo...@gmail.com wrote:

When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't
want to go it alone.

Mike

On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
input.

An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

Thanks y'all.

-ant

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Roadeo, 58 Blue/White, Threadless $950

2014-06-05 Thread Minh

I'm sure you'll find someone in the Bay Area.  But if not I'm very interested 
in this, would like to see pics.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Praise to panaracer

2014-06-05 Thread Mike Schiller

yea... but half the price. I found them at a few places. Panaracer doesn't 
show them on their website but their out there!

~mike

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:58:44 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:

 Aren't the C-lines basically pasellas anyway? No belt, same tread, 
 probably same casing...

 You and a sharpie can make them pasellas :)


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 Praise be to Panaracer. 
  
 I've been riding the non tourguard Pasela's in 700 cx 35 for a while, but 
 summer is almost here, maybe time to lose the fenders on the Raleigh, so 
 I'd love to see those Pasela 38's, but I'm not having much luck... Evan, or 
 anyone else for that matter, do you have a place to procure said 38's? 
  
 Thanks,
 Eric
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Re: [RBW] California Visit - Recommendations???

2014-06-05 Thread Meade Anderson

I have a week and plan on driving the coast pretty much the whole way...

Thanks for the comments and sorry for the slow response, its been fairly 
crazy trying to wrap up work, the home front, planning, folding the 
BikeFriday this evening...etc...



On Sunday, 1 June 2014 22:54:17 UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:

 How do you plan to drive? The usual way is the tedious, yet fast, inland 
 route. But AFAIK that doesn't take you close to any good notable riding 
 spots.

 The California Coast is wonderful from about Half Moon Bay (just south of 
 San Francisco) to Morro Bay (south of Big Sur). Maybe the very best is Big 
 Sur, which stretches more or less from Carmel to San Simeon.

 I can give you lots of loops that involve the section of the coast between 
 Half Moon Bay and Monterey, if you can be more specific about where you 
 might be and what kind of ride you want to do: how long, how hilly.


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 javascript: wrote:

 Hey

 I'll be on a bit of a family vacation driving from LA to SF and a bit 
 north starting around the 15th of June and will have my folding Bike Friday 
 in tow so I  hope to get in a casual ride or two along the coast.  Are 
 there any recommendations for cheap/interesting hotels or camping spots 
 south or north of SF.  How about sections for a ride along the coast?

 Thanks in advance for any recommendations...

 meadefixing lunch for a country ride...

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

I must respectfully disagree re. the Speedster. Real nice on dirt, but on
road was like pedaling through peanut butter.

Cheers,
David

it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vee-Rubber-29-x-2-30-SPEEDSTER-Mountain-Bike-Bicycle-Tire/251481629913?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D22849%26meid%3D7416282425240623638%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D9835%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D26136717
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vee-Rubber-29-x-2-30-SPEEDSTER-Mountain-Bike-Bicycle-Tire/251481629913?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D22849%26meid%3D7416282425240623638%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D9835%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D26136717

~mike

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:20:04 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example,
the Schwalbe Super-Motos?

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net wrote:

On the other hand, 30% of the ride was on paved roads, where any
knobbies would slow you down considerably. It's no coincidence that the two
fastest finishers were on road tires (38 and 42 mm wide). My current
hypothesis is that wider high-performance road tires (if they were in fact
available) would be ideal for this event, but considering the currently
available options, I'd choose the same tires again if I was going for a
fast time.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:46:17 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:58:52 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon
Outback.
https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?set=a.
10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016type=1

What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9 smooth
Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and
the 3 tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.

Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe
Pass tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and
disc
brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure.

On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann velo...@gmail.com wrote:

When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't
want to go it alone.

Mike

On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv School's
input.

An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

Thanks y'all.

-ant

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[RBW] Re: Chain Woes

2014-06-05 Thread RJM

Does Riv sell the wipperman 908 chain or is it the 9sx?

On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:36:31 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I have never had good luck with Sram  chains and have found their master 
 links to be particularly problematic.  Some years ago I switched to 
 Wipperman 908 chains and have always gotten good shifting, long life and 
 reliability from them. Their master links are a different design and are 
 reliable and much easier to install and remove. They cost a bit more (not 
 nearly as much as RBW charges) but are well worth it.  

 If you are taking the bike to a trustworthy mechanic he will inspect the 
 cassette and rings for signs of premature wear.

 Good luck.
 Michael

 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:07:30 AM UTC-4, Jim wrote:

 Toodling along riding home from work and suddenly the pedals lock up 
 tight, won't turn.  I investigated and found that the master chain link 
 (SRAM 9 speed) had a couple problems.  The main problem is that the head of 
 the rivet that the master link connects to had apparently worn away, so the 
 opposite chain plate had come loose.  Here is a picture of the rivet and 
 the chain link
  
 https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33994
  
 In addition, the link plate on the outboard side was bent, here's a 
 picture of that:
  
 https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33988
  
 With the help of a good Samaritan named Chris, and the chain tool that I 
 carried, but had never bothered to learn how to use,the rivet was 
 pressed back in well enough to get me home.
  
 So tomorrow the chain goes to the bike store for a once over and a new 
 master link.  However, I'm wondering if there is anything else in the 
 drivetrain I should be looking for as a problem.  One thing for sure, I 
 think I need to clean the chain more often than I have been, it was quite 
 dirty.  I've been riding a reasonable amount of dirt and gravel, so I 
 suppose its not a surprise.  But could that cause a wear problem like 
 that?  Or are there other potential culprits?
  
 Thanks,
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Woes

May I humbly recommend one of these while we're talking all things chain.

http://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-MLP-12-Master-Link-Pliers

One of my favorite tools.

Cheers,
David

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On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 7:55 PM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does Riv sell the wipperman 908 chain or is it the 9sx?


 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 5:36:31 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I have never had good luck with Sram  chains and have found their master
 links to be particularly problematic.  Some years ago I switched to
 Wipperman 908 chains and have always gotten good shifting, long life and
 reliability from them. Their master links are a different design and are
 reliable and much easier to install and remove. They cost a bit more (not
 nearly as much as RBW charges) but are well worth it.

 If you are taking the bike to a trustworthy mechanic he will inspect the
 cassette and rings for signs of premature wear.

 Good luck.
 Michael

 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 12:07:30 AM UTC-4, Jim wrote:

 Toodling along riding home from work and suddenly the pedals lock up
 tight, won't turn.  I investigated and found that the master chain link
 (SRAM 9 speed) had a couple problems.  The main problem is that the head of
 the rivet that the master link connects to had apparently worn away, so the
 opposite chain plate had come loose.  Here is a picture of the rivet and
 the chain link

 https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33994

 In addition, the link plate on the outboard side was bent, here's a
 picture of that:

 https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2E3787D08E17FC9B!33988

 With the help of a good Samaritan named Chris, and the chain tool that I
 carried, but had never bothered to learn how to use,the rivet was
 pressed back in well enough to get me home.

 So tomorrow the chain goes to the bike store for a once over and a new
 master link.  However, I'm wondering if there is anything else in the
 drivetrain I should be looking for as a problem.  One thing for sure, I
 think I need to clean the chain more often than I have been, it was quite
 dirty.  I've been riding a reasonable amount of dirt and gravel, so I
 suppose its not a surprise.  But could that cause a wear problem like
 that?  Or are there other potential culprits?

 Thanks,

 Jim in Boulder

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[RBW] Riding the Columbia Gorge

2014-06-05 Thread Lynne Fitz

the 197 bridge allows bikes.  Not saying the 97 bridge doesn't; I just don't 
know
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4762403

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[RBW] Kogswell

Anyone have a recommended PBH on this beaut? I know there are some owners
on the list. Thanks

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[RBW] Riding the Columbia Gorge

2014-06-05 Thread Lynne Fitz

landslide today just east of the Stark St bridge.  With any luck it will be 
cleared in a few days; detour is Woodward Rd.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread Mike Schiller

maybe you're just the sensitive type David.  I got rid of mine because I 
wanted some small knobs.  I thought they were fine on the road, compared to 
some leaden Schwalbe touring tire. Compared to a skinny road tire... yes 
pretty slow.

~mike

On Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:34:29 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I must respectfully disagree re. the Speedster. Real nice on dirt, but on 
 road was like pedaling through peanut butter. 

 Cheers,
 David

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[RBW] Re: Kogswell

2014-06-05 Thread eflayer


On Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:29:55 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Anyone have a recommended PBH on this beaut? I know there are some owners 
 on the list. Thanks


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-62cm-Kogswell-Model-P-rivendell-low-trail-fork-sport-touring-randonneur-/111373165443?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item19ee5ba383
  
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

I'm the sensitive type...

Cheers,
David

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On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com
wrote:

 maybe you're just the sensitive type David.  I got rid of mine because I
 wanted some small knobs.  I thought they were fine on the road, compared to
 some leaden Schwalbe touring tire. Compared to a skinny road tire... yes
 pretty slow.

 ~mike


 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:34:29 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I must respectfully disagree re. the Speedster. Real nice on dirt, but on
 road was like pedaling through peanut butter.

 Cheers,
 David

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Re: [RBW] RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

2014-06-05 Thread Richard Holden

Wow. Pretty impressive ride. I haven't done that many miles in a while, much 
less with a loaded bike. If I do it, I would cut the fishing and go right to 
bed. Ha!

Let me see if I can put some miles on and actually do it, albeit slowly.

Richard
On Jun 5, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote:

 So what I'm hearing is that theres two nights at China Camp (Saturday and 
 Sunday) then one night at Diablo?
 If thats the plan here's some rides I can suggest.
 
 I was planning on leading a ride from the Ferry building to china camp via 
 that Saturday morning.
 Proposed route here.
 http://tinyurl.com/kfh3edw
 
 Sunday Morning China camp ramble
 
 Do a Mtbing loop. hang out maybe go bike and fish somewhere. Sleep. 
 
 Alternative option For sunday after riding and fishing ( Take the ferry back 
 the the City, bart to Walnut creek shell ride stealth camp)
 
 Monday Morning: ride to top'o diablo campground and camp.Ride dirt Tuesday 
 morning.
 
 Just a thought of rides to expect.
 
 Saturday seems doable. Maybe.
 Sunday Riding can definitely happen.
 
 Monday Riding is typical of the Tradition that is camping at Mt.Diablo
 
 Let me know hows this fares with everyone.
 I'm pretty sure we can just wing it too
 
 Manny Acosta
 
 
 
 On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:07:03 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
 
 Jim,
 Thank you so much for the planning. I plan on being there all three nights.
 
 -Jim W.
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Jim M. 
 Sent: Jun 2, 2014 8:19 PM 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay 
 edition 
 
 As mentioned above, I've reserved a 40-person group site at China Camp for 2 
 nights, July 12  13th. And because it's RBW's backyard, I've reserved a 
 30-person group site on Mt Diablo for Monday, July 14th. I assume there will 
 be some drop off of attendees, or even some informal camping in the 
 backcountry for Monday. 
 
 Master wheelbuilder Rich Lesnik has confirmed his attendance, as has RBW all 
 around nice guy Vince Nivolo. More announcements of RBW folk will be 
 forthcoming.
 
 For planning purposes, now would be a good time to let me know if you're 
 really going to attend. The poll didn't exceed 40, but if we have many more 
 than that, we should get another campsite or two.
 
 I have some volunteers already, but if you want to volunteer for something 
 (leading a ride, cooking, shuttling, moonshine distilling), let me know that 
 too.
 
 cheers
 jim 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: RIV The Oregon Outback

2014-06-05 Thread Anne Paulson

It depends on how bad the performance is on the remaining 10%. I've seen
the pictures of the Oregon Outback route, and I understand why a lot of the
riders wanted something wider than 42 mm tires. If I were riding that route
on 42 mm tires, I'd end up walking a lot. I'd give up a lot of speed in a
bike tire in order not to have to walk 35 miles.


On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote:

 The key is not to give up performance on 90% of the course to gain a
 little on the remaining 10%.

 Jan Heine


 On Thursday, June 5, 2014 9:47:30 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:

 A wider smooth tire with an extra-supple casing... so the Schwalbes
 wouldn't be such a great option.

 Jan Heine
 Compass Bicycles Ltd.
 2116 Western Ave.
 Seattle WA 98121
 www.compasscycle.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

 On Wednesday, June 4, 2014 8:20:04 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 So then a better choice would be a wider smooth tire? Like, for example,
 the Schwalbe Super-Motos?


 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Jan Heine hei...@earthlink.net wrote:

 My 42 mm Compass Babyshoe Pass Extralight tires were great on 85% of
 the gravel sections. There were a number of places where the gravel was
 very sandy and soft, where everybody seemed to have trouble. Wider tires
 would have been useful there.

 On the other hand, 30% of the ride was on paved roads, where any
 knobbies would slow you down considerably. It's no coincidence that the two
 fastest finishers were on road tires (38 and 42 mm wide). My current
 hypothesis is that wider high-performance road tires (if they were in fact
 available) would be ideal for this event, but considering the currently
 available options, I'd choose the same tires again if I was going for a
 fast time.

 Jan Heine
 Compass Bicycles Ltd.
 www.compasscycle.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/


 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:46:17 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Jan said after the ride that he would have preferred something fatter
 than 42 mm for the dirt sections. I think a low profile knobby in like
 52-56 mm wide would be ideal. Schwalbe makes some super plush XC racing
 tires like the Thunder Burt that would be great  for this ride. I know of 
 a
 few people who used these and were very pleased with the performance on
 this ride.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.

 On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:58:52 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 Here are pictures of some of the bikes that did the organized Oregon
 Outback.
 https://www.facebook.com/jamesnathanjones/media_set?set=a.
 10203614505580588.1073741833.1154446016type=1

 What tires were you thinking of using for the route? The 1.9 smooth
 Schwalbes I have on my Atlantis seem like a tiny bit of underbiking, and
 the 3 tires on my Krampus seem like overbiking.

 Jan Heine did the route, very fast, on smooth 42mm Compass Babyshoe
 Pass tires on his randonneur bike. I'd be happier with more rubber and 
 disc
 brakes than on a randonneur bike, I'm pretty sure.


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, velomann velo...@gmail.com wrote:

 When are you going? I'm considering for later June myself but don't
 want to go it alone.

 Mike


 On Monday, June 2, 2014 9:09:55 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote:

 Any Rivsters out there ever ridden this route?

 Tons of stuff on Velodirt.com but as usual- seeking the Riv
 School's input.

 An Atlantis and a '93 XO-3 soon to tackle it...

 Thanks y'all.

 -ant

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