Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

[Ron Mc]

Deac, by definition a child can't be childish - only an adult can be. 
A child's wants are innocent - that's how your father looks at your 
bicycles.  
Teaching personal sacrifice to a child at Christmas time is the opposite of 
the gift message.  

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:58:53 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm not sure how to respond to this question, Ron. Is it a serious 
> question? How did you arrive at it based on anything I've written? The 
> simple answer is "No."
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:46:48 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Deac, doesn't your father lavish you with $3000 bicycles?  
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:18:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy 
>>> plastic or electronic toys toys. 
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Does anyone have a rack mount, battery powered tail light to sell or trade?

[Will]

Thread the wire through cable housing. There are several housing gauges 
available.  Then use these to attach to the frame. 
http://www.vintagebicyclerebuilds.com.au/cable_accessories.htm

All of it is easy to do. The cable run along the rear rack is short. There 
is no dangling. Looks good too. 

Will

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:38:01 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Good men can disagree. I do like the "always on" quality of a dynamo rear 
> light, But!!
>
> 1. The Toplight seems to me to be rather dim.
>
> 2. More bad, I don't like wire zip tied or taped to, *seriatim,* top 
> tube, top of right seat stay, and then spanning the length of the rear 
> rack, unsupported -- dangling in the wind, so to speak.
>
> Had I more money, I'd have a builder find a way to route the rear wire 
> through top tube, seat tube, and rack tubes.
>
> Patrick "Good men always agree that you are wrong and I am right" Moore
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro <
> marchan...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>> PB makes a nice rack mount adapter for its blinkies...I used to use one, 
>> but decided it was worth the trouble to hook up dynamo wiring.  Trust me, 
>> it's *really worth the trouble!!!*
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:19:06 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't want to hassle with rear wiring. I can use either a 2-bolt or a 
>>> single-bolt light; want one that uses standard AA or AAA batteries. Not 
>>> interested in Planet Bike or other standard seatpost mount US blinkies: 
>>> want a rack mount light, either steady or flashing.
>>>
>>> Will be happy to trade in full or part for my current, older model 
>>> Toplight Line Plus which works fine but has a few minor scuffs.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *
>>> *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore 
>>> himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to 
>>> destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his 
>>> needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely 
>>> having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in 
>>> electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing 
>>> so.”*
>>> *
>>> -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots*
>>>
>>> *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not 
>>> money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I 
>>> have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; 
>>> and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not 
>>> money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and 
>>> though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me 
>>> nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money 
>>> vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh 
>>> not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in 
>>> iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all 
>>> things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, 
>>> these three; but the greatest of these is money. *
>>> *
>>>-- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying*
>>>  
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> having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in 
> electric light 

[RBW] Re: Does anyone have a rack mount, battery powered tail light to sell or trade?

[Ron Mc]

anybody who wants to trade up their battery light to a USB rechargeable, 
quick, sell it to Patrick.  Cygo Hot Shot USB light is great, and factory 
sells a rack mount for cheap.  Also, the cost and weight of big and bigger 
USB battery packs is coming way down this year - these things were $80 a 
year ago, and now they're $15.  

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:19:06 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't want to hassle with rear wiring. I can use either a 2-bolt or a 
> single-bolt light; want one that uses standard AA or AAA batteries. Not 
> interested in Planet Bike or other standard seatpost mount US blinkies: 
> want a rack mount light, either steady or flashing.
>
> Will be happy to trade in full or part for my current, older model 
> Toplight Line Plus which works fine but has a few minor scuffs.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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>
> *
> *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore 
> himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to 
> destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his 
> needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely 
> having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in 
> electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing 
> so.”*
> *  
>   -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots*
>
> *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, 
> I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have 
> the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and 
> though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not 
> money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and 
> though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me 
> nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money 
> vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh 
> not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in 
> iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all 
> things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, 
> these three; but the greatest of these is money. *
> *  
>  -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying*
>  

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[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

[Garth]

True Christmas is the Celebration of OneSelf as Christ , the symbol of The 
Perfect Self,  I AM that I AM . Free from want, for all is Perfect and in 
Perfection there is no lack, hence, nothing to want of.   The meaning of 
"Heaven on Earth" . 

 So truly, every moment is "Christmas" :)   

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Re: [RBW] calendars

[Eunice Chang]

Thanks!

-E.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Pondero  wrote:
>
> Lovely photos, Eunice.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Matthew J]

> after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, her 
first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it for 
the first 100 miles.  In everything, she is an aggressive charger.

It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where someone 
takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge.  

Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small 
frame with 700c wheels.  This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not 
take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who 
believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets.

Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you depict, 
reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve 
contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole 
lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes.

As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for 
people not to want to use DT shifters.  Danger is not one of them.

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[RBW] Re: Does anyone have a rack mount, battery powered tail light to sell or trade?

[Liz Sherwood]

Hi Patrick!

Why aren't you just using your existing Toplight Line Plus? It sounds like 
that's exactly what you're looking for, isn't it?

-- Liz S.


On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:19:04 PM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>
> I don't want to hassle with rear wiring. I can use either a 2-bolt or a 
> single-bolt light; want one that uses standard AA or AAA batteries. Not 
> interested in Planet Bike or other standard seatpost mount US blinkies: 
> want a rack mount light, either steady or flashing.
>
> Will be happy to trade in full or part for my current, older model 
> Toplight Line Plus which works fine but has a few minor scuffs.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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>
> *
> *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore 
> himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to 
> destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his 
> needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely 
> having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in 
> electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing 
> so.”*
> *  
>   -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots*
>
> *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, 
> I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have 
> the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and 
> though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not 
> money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and 
> though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me 
> nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money 
> vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh 
> not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in 
> iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all 
> things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, 
> these three; but the greatest of these is money. *
> *  
>  -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying*
>  

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Surlyprof]

I was thinking about putting together a similar post just the other day. 
 I'm in Fremont but can grab the BART to Oakland, Berkeley or the city. 
 Would love to be introduced to some good rides in the area.

John

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:22:49 PM UTC-8, DS wrote:
>
> Anyone interested in meeting up for a monthly Rivendell ride in the Bay 
> Area (East Bay specifically since I live in Oakland but happy to travel up 
> to an hour and include anyone located within spitting distance)? I feel 
> like there's a lot of  you Oakland/Berkeley members on here, some of you 
> must be riding on weekends and fit within my style and timeframe of riding? 
> Or is there something like this already exists (besides Manny's rides which 
> look totally awesome but would take too much out time and energy out of my 
> weekend)? Would be nice to meet up and ride with some like minded folk. 
> More of a social gathering with some medium duty riding mixed in. Maybe 
> beers mixed in at the end?
>
> One of my highlights this year was Entmoot. So much fun to meet fellow 
> Rivendell owners from all over. I've also enjoyed getting to know the 
> Rivendell employees, and fellow riders through the list and buying/selling 
> things locally. Would love to organize something where we meet up more 
> regularly, for a more casual, social ride setting. And by 'organize' i mean 
> that in the absolute loosest sense of the word. Last thing I want to be 
> responsible for is any sort of official group with insurance and waivers, 
> etc.
>
> I typically go for rides out of Rockridge (up tunnel road, snake rd, or 
> shasta in Berkeley, and figure it out from there) on Saturday or Sunday 
> mornings around 9:00 or 9:30 for around 3-4 hours (road, trail, 
> mixed)...usually, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter when time is tight. 
> Other times I'll go to N. Bay or further out in the East Bay (over the peak 
> and into Mt Diablo/Shell Ridge area) and find some routes there: road or 
> trails. I'm not very fast. Touring pace. Home in time for lunch and a beer. 
> I do this almost every week (rockridge departure) so could be a weekly 
> thing if enough people are interested. I'm not big on being out more than 
> 4-5 hours or so, 4 hours is my sweet spot.
>
> My thought is a once a month thing (like first saturday or sunday?) If 
> enough interest I can just setup a google group and we can take it from 
> there. Just gauging interest for now or seeing if something else is already 
> out there. Maybe an inaugural ride starting at the Rockridge BART the 
> weekend of Jan 3 or 10? I think I already have some travel the first few 
> weeks of Feb so could already be a rocky start for the second month, but 
> happy to make some amends for the greater good where I can.
>
> Possible overnighter meet ups as well?
>
> Let me know, PM or reply to thread.
>
> Disclaimer: my main road ride is actually not a Rivendell, but a Gunnar 
> (outfitted with a front rack and sackville trunk bag of course), though I 
> have three rivendells now for trail (hunqapillar), commute (cheviot), and 
> single speeding (QB) that I can take out to fit in :) Unless someone wants 
> to trade me an AHH.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Andy.M]

I'm in Novato and would definitely be interested now that my schedule is 
not so crazy, and if its a "not all day ride" I can even get a pass from 
the wife :)

-Andy

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:22:49 PM UTC-8, DS wrote:
>
> Anyone interested in meeting up for a monthly Rivendell ride in the Bay 
> Area (East Bay specifically since I live in Oakland but happy to travel up 
> to an hour and include anyone located within spitting distance)? I feel 
> like there's a lot of  you Oakland/Berkeley members on here, some of you 
> must be riding on weekends and fit within my style and timeframe of riding? 
> Or is there something like this already exists (besides Manny's rides which 
> look totally awesome but would take too much out time and energy out of my 
> weekend)? Would be nice to meet up and ride with some like minded folk. 
> More of a social gathering with some medium duty riding mixed in. Maybe 
> beers mixed in at the end?
>
> One of my highlights this year was Entmoot. So much fun to meet fellow 
> Rivendell owners from all over. I've also enjoyed getting to know the 
> Rivendell employees, and fellow riders through the list and buying/selling 
> things locally. Would love to organize something where we meet up more 
> regularly, for a more casual, social ride setting. And by 'organize' i mean 
> that in the absolute loosest sense of the word. Last thing I want to be 
> responsible for is any sort of official group with insurance and waivers, 
> etc.
>
> I typically go for rides out of Rockridge (up tunnel road, snake rd, or 
> shasta in Berkeley, and figure it out from there) on Saturday or Sunday 
> mornings around 9:00 or 9:30 for around 3-4 hours (road, trail, 
> mixed)...usually, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter when time is tight. 
> Other times I'll go to N. Bay or further out in the East Bay (over the peak 
> and into Mt Diablo/Shell Ridge area) and find some routes there: road or 
> trails. I'm not very fast. Touring pace. Home in time for lunch and a beer. 
> I do this almost every week (rockridge departure) so could be a weekly 
> thing if enough people are interested. I'm not big on being out more than 
> 4-5 hours or so, 4 hours is my sweet spot.
>
> My thought is a once a month thing (like first saturday or sunday?) If 
> enough interest I can just setup a google group and we can take it from 
> there. Just gauging interest for now or seeing if something else is already 
> out there. Maybe an inaugural ride starting at the Rockridge BART the 
> weekend of Jan 3 or 10? I think I already have some travel the first few 
> weeks of Feb so could already be a rocky start for the second month, but 
> happy to make some amends for the greater good where I can.
>
> Possible overnighter meet ups as well?
>
> Let me know, PM or reply to thread.
>
> Disclaimer: my main road ride is actually not a Rivendell, but a Gunnar 
> (outfitted with a front rack and sackville trunk bag of course), though I 
> have three rivendells now for trail (hunqapillar), commute (cheviot), and 
> single speeding (QB) that I can take out to fit in :) Unless someone wants 
> to trade me an AHH.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Does anyone have a rack mount, battery powered tail light to sell or trade?

[Patrick Moore]

Maybe I got the name wrong. At any rate, what I have now is dyno driven and
I want something battery powered. I have a German rear rack, 2-bolt battery
light on the Ram and would like something similar for the Riv (custom)
commuter. I was hoping to find something used.

The photo I included was from the Peter Jon White site and showed a dynamo
powered tail light similar to the one I have.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Liz Sherwood 
wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick!
>
> Why aren't you just using your existing Toplight Line Plus? It sounds like
> that's exactly what you're looking for, isn't it?
>
> -- Liz S.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:19:04 PM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to hassle with rear wiring. I can use either a 2-bolt or a
>> single-bolt light; want one that uses standard AA or AAA batteries. Not
>> interested in Planet Bike or other standard seatpost mount US blinkies:
>> want a rack mount light, either steady or flashing.
>>
>> Will be happy to trade in full or part for my current, older model
>> Toplight Line Plus which works fine but has a few minor scuffs.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
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>>
>> *
>> *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore
>> himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to
>> destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his
>> needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely
>> having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in
>> electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing
>> so.”*
>> *
>> -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots*
>>
>> *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not
>> money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I
>> have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge;
>> and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not
>> money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and
>> though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me
>> nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money
>> vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh
>> not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in
>> iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all
>> things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money,
>> these three; but the greatest of these is money. *
>> *
>>-- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Does anyone have a rack mount, battery powered tail light to sell or trade?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; I've thought of that, tho' using plastic (copper???) swamp cooler
tubing, but but but but ... it's still unsightly, methinks. (Well, copper
tubing wouldn't be, but it would be "cluttery".)

Perhaps inertia will take over and I'll just run whut I brung and stop
fretting.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Will  wrote:
>
> Thread the wire through cable housing. There are several housing gauges
> available.  Then use these to attach to the frame.
> http://www.vintagebicyclerebuilds.com.au/cable_accessories.htm
>
> All of it is easy to do. The cable run along the rear rack is short. There
> is no dangling. Looks good too.
>
> Will
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:38:01 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Good men can disagree. I do like the "always on" quality of a dynamo rear
>> light, But!!
>>
>> 1. The Toplight seems to me to be rather dim.
>>
>> 2. More bad, I don't like wire zip tied or taped to, *seriatim,* top
>> tube, top of right seat stay, and then spanning the length of the rear
>> rack, unsupported -- dangling in the wind, so to speak.
>>
>> Had I more money, I'd have a builder find a way to route the rear wire
>> through top tube, seat tube, and rack tubes.
>>
>> Patrick "Good men always agree that you are wrong and I am right" Moore
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro <
>> marchan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> PB makes a nice rack mount adapter for its blinkies...I used to use one,
>>> but decided it was worth the trouble to hook up dynamo wiring.  Trust me,
>>> it's *really worth the trouble!!!*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:19:06 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I don't want to hassle with rear wiring. I can use either a 2-bolt or a
 single-bolt light; want one that uses standard AA or AAA batteries. Not
 interested in Planet Bike or other standard seatpost mount US blinkies:
 want a rack mount light, either steady or flashing.

 Will be happy to trade in full or part for my current, older model
 Toplight Line Plus which works fine but has a few minor scuffs.

 Thanks.


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[RBW] Point Reyes S24O-ish 26 December

[BSWP]

I have site #6 reserved at Sky Camp, for 26 and 27 of December. Friend Mark 
and I are heading there from Ferry Building in SF sometime mid Friday 
morning, and will either spend Saturday night there, too, or head further 
on to Russian River lodging, not sure. But weather looks clear (can't say 
warm, though), anyone interested in sharing the site those nights is 
welcome. The site nominally holds six, but the reservations page showed 
just about the entire campsite wide open those nights.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Ron Mc]

more like the Bullwinkle show

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, 
> her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it 
> for the first 100 miles.  In everything, she is an aggressive charger.
>
> It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where someone 
> takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge.  
>
> Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small 
> frame with 700c wheels.  This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not 
> take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who 
> believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets.
>
> Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you 
> depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve 
> contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole 
> lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes.
>
> As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for 
> people not to want to use DT shifters.  Danger is not one of them.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Ron Mc]

you don't have the right to have a different point of view about my 
daughter's bike

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> more like the Bullwinkle show
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> > after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, 
>> her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it 
>> for the first 100 miles.  In everything, she is an aggressive charger.
>>
>> It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where someone 
>> takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge.  
>>
>> Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small 
>> frame with 700c wheels.  This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not 
>> take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who 
>> believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets.
>>
>> Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you 
>> depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve 
>> contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole 
>> lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes.
>>
>> As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for 
>> people not to want to use DT shifters.  Danger is not one of them.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Ron Mc]

I made a post that was a point about something specific, nothing general. 
 The fact that you and steve both took general exception with it really 
show what dicks the two of you are - a general point made over and over

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:26:34 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> you don't have the right to have a different point of view about my 
> daughter's bike
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> more like the Bullwinkle show
>>
>> On Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>>>
>>> > after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame, 
>>> her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it 
>>> for the first 100 miles.  In everything, she is an aggressive charger.
>>>
>>> It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where 
>>> someone takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge.  
>>>
>>> Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small 
>>> frame with 700c wheels.  This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not 
>>> take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who 
>>> believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets.
>>>
>>> Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you 
>>> depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve 
>>> contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole 
>>> lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes.
>>>
>>> As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for 
>>> people not to want to use DT shifters.  Danger is not one of them.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Matthew J]

> you don't have the right to have a different point of view about my 
daughter's bike

I have no point of view on your daughter's bike.  

I have a point of view on whether DT shifters are any more or less safe 
than Bar End.  My point of view is they are not.

If you are sensitive to point of view about your daughter's bike, I suggest 
you not use it as an example in support of your point of view in a public 
forum.

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[David]

Very interested.  I'm in Sacramento, with family in Temescal, so can and 
will easily get down there if a ride(s) was organized on a weekend day. 
 Great idea.  Thanks.

David

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:17:28 AM UTC-8, Andy.M wrote:
>
> I'm in Novato and would definitely be interested now that my schedule is 
> not so crazy, and if its a "not all day ride" I can even get a pass from 
> the wife :)
>
> -Andy
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:22:49 PM UTC-8, DS wrote:
>>
>> Anyone interested in meeting up for a monthly Rivendell ride in the Bay 
>> Area (East Bay specifically since I live in Oakland but happy to travel up 
>> to an hour and include anyone located within spitting distance)? I feel 
>> like there's a lot of  you Oakland/Berkeley members on here, some of you 
>> must be riding on weekends and fit within my style and timeframe of riding? 
>> Or is there something like this already exists (besides Manny's rides which 
>> look totally awesome but would take too much out time and energy out of my 
>> weekend)? Would be nice to meet up and ride with some like minded folk. 
>> More of a social gathering with some medium duty riding mixed in. Maybe 
>> beers mixed in at the end?
>>
>> One of my highlights this year was Entmoot. So much fun to meet fellow 
>> Rivendell owners from all over. I've also enjoyed getting to know the 
>> Rivendell employees, and fellow riders through the list and buying/selling 
>> things locally. Would love to organize something where we meet up more 
>> regularly, for a more casual, social ride setting. And by 'organize' i mean 
>> that in the absolute loosest sense of the word. Last thing I want to be 
>> responsible for is any sort of official group with insurance and waivers, 
>> etc.
>>
>> I typically go for rides out of Rockridge (up tunnel road, snake rd, or 
>> shasta in Berkeley, and figure it out from there) on Saturday or Sunday 
>> mornings around 9:00 or 9:30 for around 3-4 hours (road, trail, 
>> mixed)...usually, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter when time is tight. 
>> Other times I'll go to N. Bay or further out in the East Bay (over the peak 
>> and into Mt Diablo/Shell Ridge area) and find some routes there: road or 
>> trails. I'm not very fast. Touring pace. Home in time for lunch and a beer. 
>> I do this almost every week (rockridge departure) so could be a weekly 
>> thing if enough people are interested. I'm not big on being out more than 
>> 4-5 hours or so, 4 hours is my sweet spot.
>>
>> My thought is a once a month thing (like first saturday or sunday?) If 
>> enough interest I can just setup a google group and we can take it from 
>> there. Just gauging interest for now or seeing if something else is already 
>> out there. Maybe an inaugural ride starting at the Rockridge BART the 
>> weekend of Jan 3 or 10? I think I already have some travel the first few 
>> weeks of Feb so could already be a rocky start for the second month, but 
>> happy to make some amends for the greater good where I can.
>>
>> Possible overnighter meet ups as well?
>>
>> Let me know, PM or reply to thread.
>>
>> Disclaimer: my main road ride is actually not a Rivendell, but a Gunnar 
>> (outfitted with a front rack and sackville trunk bag of course), though I 
>> have three rivendells now for trail (hunqapillar), commute (cheviot), and 
>> single speeding (QB) that I can take out to fit in :) Unless someone wants 
>> to trade me an AHH.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[BSWP]

In, great idea. You have to start somewhere, go with Jan 3rd from Rockridge

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Jim Bronson]

I took it as him not understanding your concern with a DT setup.

I support you taking whatever steps necessary to give your daughter the
safest cycling environment possible.
On Dec 18, 2014 11:26 AM, "Ron Mc"  wrote:

> you don't have the right to have a different point of view about my
> daughter's bike
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:30 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> more like the Bullwinkle show
>>
>> On Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>>>
>>> > after the lecture, that's condescension.. here's my daughter's frame,
>>> her first drop bar and fast steering bike - she had problems steering it
>>> for the first 100 miles.  In everything, she is an aggressive charger.
>>>
>>> It is hard to have a discussion on differing points of view where
>>> someone takes those differing points of view as a hostile challenge.
>>>
>>> Cannot tell from that picture, but it appears the Fuji is a very small
>>> frame with 700c wheels.  This being a Riv fan site and all, hope you do not
>>> take it wrong when I point on there are those - as in Grant Peterson - who
>>> believe smaller frames are better designed around smaller dia wheel sets.
>>>
>>> Frame design notwithstanding, assuming the rider fits the frame you
>>> depict, reaching from the saddle to the spokes while riding would involve
>>> contorting the body in such a way the loss of balance would create a whole
>>> lot more safety concerns than fingers brushing up against spokes.
>>>
>>> As Steve points out in his earlier posts, there are a lot of reasons for
>>> people not to want to use DT shifters.  Danger is not one of them.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

[John Phillips]

Ooops, did I sign into the Mordor Bicycle Owners Group by mistake?

   Are some people seriously choosing an adult toy forum to preach against 
materialism?

Seriously??

Oh, duh!  I get it, you were being ironic!!!  Silly me!

Happy Holidays everyone,

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Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

[Chris Chen]

har har har

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, John Phillips 
wrote:
>
> Ooops, did I sign into the Mordor Bicycle Owners Group by mistake?
>
>Are some people seriously choosing an adult toy forum to preach against
> materialism?
>
> Seriously??
>
> Oh, duh!  I get it, you were being ironic!!!  Silly me!
>
> Happy Holidays everyone,
>
> John Phillips
>
>
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[RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

[Deacon Patrick]

Lots of good stuff here to respond to, but it falls outside the scope of 
this group (even for me, and that's saying something!). Grin. So rather 
than delve into theology, I'll bow out. May God startle you with the joy of 
Christ's Mass!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Loup Loup Pass 650Bx38

[PaulS]

Don't forget:  http://www.lyonsport.com/frames-0


On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:03:05 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> The limiting factor right now on the Redwood is the 200mm cranks.  I'm 
> scraping pretty often even with 700x32.  But I do have an extra 650B 
> wheelset sitting around now that I sold my Soma GR.  
>
> Which brings me to the other limiting factor - time.  I am working with a 
> contractor to put my house back together after a sewer line backup resulted 
> in flood remediation people tearing out flooring, baseboards, sheetrock and 
> insulation.  It's also Christmas time.  And, I'm trying to reach some 
> mileage/kilometer goals for the year, which demand time spent riding bikes, 
> not working on converting them to a different wheel size.  So I'll keep 
> riding the Redwood as is for now.
>
> I really do want a purpose built 650B frame - eventually.  It probably 
> won't be a Rivendell, because I don't see a low trail 650B optimized frame 
> for very tall riders as something Grant has shown any signs of interest 
> towards.  He uses the 650B for the smaller frames but usually the big ones 
> are 700C spec.  Nor does he appear to be a fan of low trail.  For my money 
> I'd probably lean towards a Boulder custom lugged or if I wanted more 
> versatility, a Elephant NFE.  I suppose another custom Riv could be in the 
> offing but it's hard to justify the additional $1300 over a lugged Boulder, 
> they look really, really nice.
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Kieran J > 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jim, I'm in the process of converting my new 68cm Rambouillet to 
>> 650b. It fits Hetres or Stampede Pass + fenders no problem. The Redwood 
>> should be the same I would think.
>>
>> KJ
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, December 15, 2014 5:46:39 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> Ha, since you dug this old thread back up, I am still using the 
>>> LoupLoups and I'm still on the same batch I mentioned back in August.  
>>> Can't imagine using anything else other than the Compass tires in general, 
>>> and the LoupLoups on this bike for sure, since that's the biggest that will 
>>> fit between the seatstays on my custom.  
>>>
>>> They have the great feeling of all the light fat tires that Jan Heine 
>>> popularized, but last much longer than any of the others I've tried like 
>>> the Grand Bois Cypress or the Pacenti Pari-Moto.  I'm getting at least 2500 
>>> miles per tire.  The Grand Bois would go out of round after 750-1000 miles 
>>> and the Pari-Motos were cut to shreds in less mileage than that.  
>>>
>>> I just finally got a flat on the back about 15 miles from the end of 
>>> last weekend's 600K that got me thinking I might want to replace the back 
>>> tire since I could see the casing through the puncture.  But instead I just 
>>> booted it and carried on, it's got at least 2000 miles on it so maybe eek 
>>> out another 500 ;)
>>>
>>> My recently acquired Redwood is still 700c but when I get around to 
>>> replacing the tires I will probably try Compass Stampede Pass.  If I 
>>> convert it to 650B it will wear the LoupLoups.
>>>
>>> -Jim
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:28 PM, PaulS  wrote:

 Thanks for this review.  I am looking to purchase Loup Loup's (or 
 Pari-motos).  My Hetre's are good tires, but a bit sluggish for me.  I'm 
 hoping Loup Loup's will result in a more snappier ride.

 On Friday, August 8, 2014 10:21:22 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Yes, the LoupLoups have been far better for me than any other tire I 
> have tried on my Rivendell.  I bought 4 more of them a couple of weeks 
> ago 
> to equip a new build and to replace the rear on the Riv.  Which lasted at 
> least 2500 miles.   Most of the supple tires I tried before gave a very 
> short life on the rear wheel, I think mostly owing to the weight of the 
> engine.
>
> On Thursday, August 7, 2014, lungimsam  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report. Loups still treating you right?
>>>
>>  
>> I am thinking of going from Hetres to Loups, but don't know if I am 
>> more likely to get flats on the Loups. I think the tread is .5mm thinner 
>> than Hetres but cannot confirm.
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Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

[Chris Chen]

Mass is something we can all agree we care about, especially if it's
measured in Grams.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
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> Lots of good stuff here to respond to, but it falls outside the scope of
> this group (even for me, and that's saying something!). Grin. So rather
> than delve into theology, I'll bow out. May God startle you with the joy of
> Christ's Mass!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] FS His and hers Atlantis and Betty Foy

['rolf...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Estate Sale. His and hers Rivendell Touring Bikes built early 2012.

Atlantis 58cm Standard build

Betty Foy 60cm Standard build

Simano HG61 9 Speed 12-36 Cassette

Sugino XD-2 Crankset, 170mm

700 x 38 Tires

Brooks saddles 

Both bikes always stored indoors and are in like new condition. They 
include racks, bags and pumps.

Bikes are located in Chico CA. 95926. 

Pictures can be seen at: *https://chico.craigslist.org/bik/4809713463.html* 


Atlantis $2600 Origional purchase price was $3969

Betty Foy $2200 Origional purchase price was $3122

For the pair $4500

Call for more information

Jeff 530-519-2770

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Does anyone have a rack mount, battery powered tail light to sell or trade?

[Lynne Fitz]

If your dyno headlight isn't a Supernova, I highly recommend the Secula Plus 
dynamo rear light.  I was worried about the wire run as well, but judicious use 
of clear tape, and wrapping the wire around my rear brake cable along the top 
tube have minimized it somewhat.

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[RBW] FS (& WTT): Nitto, Schwalbe, Mafac, Suntour, raingear, sleeping bags & more

[Antonioni Vicente]

THE GOODS

Nitto Technomic 130mm extension.  Good condition.  $30

Shimano Golden Arrow derailleur set.  Front is marked FD-A105, rear is 
short cage & unmarked.  $15

Mafac Racers, front & rear, complete with Mafac-branded front & rear cable 
hangers.  Very clean.  $50

Tektro Levers, XLC branded, Riv's "budget levers" from a few years back. 
 Light use.  $20

Shimano mountain-LX front & rear derailleurs.  FD-M542 & RD-M542.  Very 
good condition.  $40

Suntour XC Expert triple cranks, 175mm.  42-32-20.  Good condition.  $45

Shimano BB-UN55 68 X 127.  Square taper.  Installed but never ridden.  $20

Schwalbe Smart Sams 26 x 2.1, folding bead.  Brand new.  $45/pair

Mammut Crater Goretex rain jacket, black.  Large.  New with Tags.  $250 
 (retails at $379)

Pearl Izumi Shoe Covers Pro WXB.  X-Large.  Never used.  $35

Sac La Fuma vintage french hiking pack.  Pictures & 
details: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/spo/4789261024.html  $75

Planet Bike frame pump "Roadie", grey.  Good condition.  $10

Mountain Hardware queen sleeping bag.  So so so wonderful for couples! 
 Very good condition.  Also works as two separate bags.  $45

Spin Doctor cone wrench set 13-19mm.  Light use.  $15/set

Problem Solvers Backstop, black 1 1/4" i.d. New.  $5

Shimano Dura Ace track cog lock ring, NJS stamped, left hand thread.  $5

Bridgestone XO-2 stock quill stem, black.  $8


THE TRADE INTEREST (including but not limited to)

Nitto Jitensha bars
Albastache
aluminum heat treated Albatross
the Tektro "mountain" levers that Riv sells, or the Shimano ones, or?
Nitto Hub Area rack
King Iris cages
Park Truing stand, 2 or 2.2
maybe a 63cm-65cm steel lugged road frame and fork

THE BOTTOM LINE

Prices do not include shipping.  Open to reasonable offers.  Discounts for 
multiple items.  Paypal preferred. 
Pics upon request, via email or text.  Come check the stuff out in person- 
I'm in Northeast Portland, Oregon.

Thanks!
-ant

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[RBW] Re: FS: vintage french baggins-looking Sac La Fuma backpack / "porteur bag" / "shop sack"

[Antonioni Vicente]

Also I should mention that the bag is $65 for local pick up in North East 
Portland Oregon.

On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 5:05:47 PM UTC-8, Antonioni Vicente wrote:
>
> 1950's or 60's La Fuma hiking pack.  The Baggins resemblance is lovely.
>
> This thing rides perfectly on a porteur rack or will sit right down, shop 
> sack style, in the "huge" Wald basket on my Atlantis.  Messenger bag-like 
> in the sense that it expands immensely, ideal for transporting large or 
> awkward objects.  Yet, due to it's mostly canvas and leather construction, 
> will fold up nice and small if it's capacity isn't being pushed.  Perfect 
> for rides to the laundromat or grocery, and ideal for train or airplane 
> travel.  I've used it as-is, lashed to a rear rack on tours as a daypack 
> for off-bike excursions.  I had envisioned possibly making some 
> modifications, removing the external frame (it's easy to remove and/or put 
> back in place) and make a saddlebag out of the thing but didn't have the 
> time (or heart).
>
> I've included a few pictures of the bag in the Wald, and a few other 
> pictures of the side and front pockets filled with water bottles in order 
> to give an idea of it's size.  You'll also see a tape measure in at least 
> one photo.  (No images attached because the of size issues)  I've only seen 
> others like it on sale via Etsy pages hailing from France, (and all over 
> $125 US) therefore I know not much more of this handsome bag.
>
> $85 plus shipping.  Let me know if you have any other questions.  
> Link to CL posting with all the photos: 
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/spo/4789261024.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your dream RBW wheel set build, please

[Çackalak]

Agree with all here.  My Schmidt 28 hub and Edelux are two favorite 
accessories on the bike.  If I were to do it again, I would lace them up 
with disc hubs (and rim brake rims) to give it more versatility.  But SON28 
up front and XT rear, with Pacenti 23 rims--no complaints.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dyno Rack Light with no rear rack?

[Eli Daniel]

I have Spanninga pixeo taillights mounted onto the plastic fenders on two
bikes (planet bike and SKS).  They're great taillights: bright, super
lightweight, and mount easily even on plastic fenders.  And they're quite
inexpensive.

(They have a battery-powered version too, but I'm talking about the dynamo
one.)

-Eli

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:41 PM, David Stein  wrote:
>
> All good questions! I don't have a picture at a moment, but it is a
> Cheviot, no saddlebags (everything is on a front rack, no rear storage),
> and it is the Dyno Rear Rack light from rivbike.com:
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ltd-20.htm
>
> There are fenders (SKS/ESGE LongBoard Silver Fenders - P50) and rack
> brazeons.
>
> Also open to different rear dyno light suggestions if there is something
> that is more apt for a seatpost, fender, or rack brazeon hookup.
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>
>> This depends on the which rear dyno light you have, as well as what the
>> rear of your bike looks like e.g. what type of fenders, is a saddle bag in
>> the way, is there a rack-brazon to re-purpose etc.  a picture of the light
>> and rear of your bike would be a good start.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:44:33 PM UTC-5, DS wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have a hack to attach a Dyno rear rack light to a fender,
>>> seatpost, or rack brazeons without using the rear rack?
>>>
>>> I currently have it on a Pletscher rear rack but I don't really use the
>>> rack for anything else and would rather remove it from the bike and find a
>>> different way to mount that rear dyno light. I'm not very inventive so
>>> thought I'd ask here.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Lester Luallin]

>From the hoods, with Shimano, you don't really use your fingertips.  A least I 
>don't.  Middle finger is kinda resting against small lever the whole time and 
>I just kinda push it inward to shift.

I do find it a little awkward snagging the little lever with my fingertips from 
the drops, however. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Lester Luallin]

My DT shifters are pretty much right on the front tire.  I've only put 
fingers in the spokes twice since 1989, though.  :)



On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:43:04 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 12/17/2014 01:52 PM, Matthew J wrote: 
> > > because I didn't want her reaching into the wheel to shift 
> > 
> > What set up would lead to this? 
>
> The point is, there is no downtube shifter setup that would require 
> anyone to reach into the wheel.  In fact, you aren't anywhere even close 
> to the wheel.   Now perhaps it might seem that way.  Does it seem that 
> you are in danger of reaching into the wheel to retrieve a water bottle? 
>
> And I say this as a person who doesn't like, and even back in the day 
> didn't like downtube shifters. 
>
> Fair's fair.  It's perfectly fine to say you don't like 'em without 
> having to point to exaggerated, fancied dangers as a reason for not 
> liking them.(Same's true WRT people who don't like bar end shifters: 
> it's OK to not like them just because.) 
>

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[RBW] Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Lester Luallin]

If the bars are high enough that I can spend most of my time in the drops then 
I like barcons better.  I'm usually a hood riding tootler though, so slight 
advantage to DT, since they're on a solid platform.  Also can shift either 
shifter with either hand. 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam 58CM Green Machine Phil Wood Hubs Brooks Nitto

[mike gasparino]

no problem, let me know if you decide other wise. I can buy whenever!

On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:44:03 AM UTC-5, Hobo wrote:
>
> Hey Machael, thanks for the interest but right now I'm just trying to sell 
> the complete bike. 
> I have too many bikes and parts laying around. I need to simplify... 
>
> On Saturday, December 6, 2014 12:51:53 AM UTC-5, Michael Gasparino wrote:
>>
>> Any chance on selling the frameset by its lonesome?
>
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[RBW] Re: calendars

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Just thought I'd tack this to the top through the end of the year. 
 Beautiful images and fine cause.

Happy Holidays!

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:58:00 PM UTC-8, Eunice Chang wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thought Riv folks might be interested:
>
> I've made a calendar full of my bike photos (including a hilsen) and am 
> offering it for sale. I don't make a profit - I'm donating the calendar 
> sales to a local bike advocacy organization, Bike Durham.
>
> If you're interested, take a look here:
>
> https://squareup.com/market/justshiny/bike-calendar
>
> (there are other things for sale too, like prints- but sales of these go 
> to a local animal shelter).
>
> Thanks,
> Eunice
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS His and hers Atlantis and Betty Foy

[Chris Chen]

These have been on sale for the better part of a year, haven't they? I see
this posting come around; I can set my calendars to it.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, 'rolf...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Estate Sale. His and hers Rivendell Touring Bikes built early 2012.
>
> Atlantis 58cm Standard build
>
> Betty Foy 60cm Standard build
>
> Simano HG61 9 Speed 12-36 Cassette
>
> Sugino XD-2 Crankset, 170mm
>
> 700 x 38 Tires
>
> Brooks saddles
>
> Both bikes always stored indoors and are in like new condition. They
> include racks, bags and pumps.
>
> Bikes are located in Chico CA. 95926.
>
> Pictures can be seen at:
> *https://chico.craigslist.org/bik/4809713463.html*
> 
>
> Atlantis $2600 Origional purchase price was $3969
>
> Betty Foy $2200 Origional purchase price was $3122
>
> For the pair $4500
>
> Call for more information
>
> Jeff 530-519-2770
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Does anyone have a rack mount, battery powered tail light to sell or trade?

[Chris Chen]

Seconded; The secula plus is super bright, but it's not blinding; The way
the reflector/deflector spreads the light is really nice.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:
>
> If your dyno headlight isn't a Supernova, I highly recommend the Secula
> Plus dynamo rear light.  I was worried about the wire run as well, but
> judicious use of clear tape, and wrapping the wire around my rear brake
> cable along the top tube have minimized it somewhat.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your dream RBW wheel set build, please

[Chris Chen]

The 650b aeroheat rims are pretty fantastic; They may not be "classic" but
I'm a big fan of 'em. Super functional. 36 hole, but I think 32's available.

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>
> Agree with all here.  My Schmidt 28 hub and Edelux are two favorite
> accessories on the bike.  If I were to do it again, I would lace them up
> with disc hubs (and rim brake rims) to give it more versatility.  But SON28
> up front and XT rear, with Pacenti 23 rims--no complaints.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your dream RBW wheel set build, please

[Chris Chen]

I should also mention that they seat those supple tires with great ease;
Far easier than the older synergies.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chris Chen  wrote:
>
> The 650b aeroheat rims are pretty fantastic; They may not be "classic" but
> I'm a big fan of 'em. Super functional. 36 hole, but I think 32's available.
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Çackalak  wrote:
>>
>> Agree with all here.  My Schmidt 28 hub and Edelux are two favorite
>> accessories on the bike.  If I were to do it again, I would lace them up
>> with disc hubs (and rim brake rims) to give it more versatility.  But SON28
>> up front and XT rear, with Pacenti 23 rims--no complaints.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[David Stein]

Cool, some really good initial interest!

I'll setup a group in the next few days and send the link in this thread,
lets shoot for a Jan 3 9:30 kickoff at Rockridge BART. In general, I'll
stick to the first weekend of the month, and probably post my regular
weekend rides in case anyone wants to join. In general, Sundays work better
for me (can start anytime on Sunday, but not before 9:30 on Saturdays).

If anyone has any thoughts or ideas for rides please share. For the first
few months I'll cross post it to the RBW group.

You can see my Strava profile for the type of routes I have been doing, but
happy to branch out for new rides! http://www.strava.com/athletes/272929

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Re: [RBW] Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Dan McNamara]

I am up for joining in. Might not be able to do 1/3 but I'll see if I can
shuffle things around. Sundays are better than Saturdays.

Thanks for getting this started.

Dan



On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:22 PM, DS  wrote:
>
> Anyone interested in meeting up for a monthly Rivendell ride in the Bay
> Area (East Bay specifically since I live in Oakland but happy to travel up
> to an hour and include anyone located within spitting distance)? I feel
> like there's a lot of  you Oakland/Berkeley members on here, some of you
> must be riding on weekends and fit within my style and timeframe of riding?
> Or is there something like this already exists (besides Manny's rides which
> look totally awesome but would take too much out time and energy out of my
> weekend)? Would be nice to meet up and ride with some like minded folk.
> More of a social gathering with some medium duty riding mixed in. Maybe
> beers mixed in at the end?
>
> One of my highlights this year was Entmoot. So much fun to meet fellow
> Rivendell owners from all over. I've also enjoyed getting to know the
> Rivendell employees, and fellow riders through the list and buying/selling
> things locally. Would love to organize something where we meet up more
> regularly, for a more casual, social ride setting. And by 'organize' i mean
> that in the absolute loosest sense of the word. Last thing I want to be
> responsible for is any sort of official group with insurance and waivers,
> etc.
>
> I typically go for rides out of Rockridge (up tunnel road, snake rd, or
> shasta in Berkeley, and figure it out from there) on Saturday or Sunday
> mornings around 9:00 or 9:30 for around 3-4 hours (road, trail,
> mixed)...usually, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter when time is tight.
> Other times I'll go to N. Bay or further out in the East Bay (over the peak
> and into Mt Diablo/Shell Ridge area) and find some routes there: road or
> trails. I'm not very fast. Touring pace. Home in time for lunch and a beer.
> I do this almost every week (rockridge departure) so could be a weekly
> thing if enough people are interested. I'm not big on being out more than
> 4-5 hours or so, 4 hours is my sweet spot.
>
> My thought is a once a month thing (like first saturday or sunday?) If
> enough interest I can just setup a google group and we can take it from
> there. Just gauging interest for now or seeing if something else is already
> out there. Maybe an inaugural ride starting at the Rockridge BART the
> weekend of Jan 3 or 10? I think I already have some travel the first few
> weeks of Feb so could already be a rocky start for the second month, but
> happy to make some amends for the greater good where I can.
>
> Possible overnighter meet ups as well?
>
> Let me know, PM or reply to thread.
>
> Disclaimer: my main road ride is actually not a Rivendell, but a Gunnar
> (outfitted with a front rack and sackville trunk bag of course), though I
> have three rivendells now for trail (hunqapillar), commute (cheviot), and
> single speeding (QB) that I can take out to fit in :) Unless someone wants
> to trade me an AHH.
>
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Re: [RBW] Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Joe Bunik]

wither the annual New Years Day Diablo mudfest?
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 12/18/14, Dan McNamara  wrote:
> I am up for joining in. Might not be able to do 1/3 but I'll see if I can
> shuffle things around. Sundays are better than Saturdays.
>
> Thanks for getting this started.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:22 PM, DS  wrote:
>>
>> Anyone interested in meeting up for a monthly Rivendell ride in the Bay
>> Area (East Bay specifically since I live in Oakland but happy to travel
>> up
>> to an hour and include anyone located within spitting distance)? I feel
>> like there's a lot of  you Oakland/Berkeley members on here, some of you
>> must be riding on weekends and fit within my style and timeframe of
>> riding?
>> Or is there something like this already exists (besides Manny's rides
>> which
>> look totally awesome but would take too much out time and energy out of
>> my
>> weekend)? Would be nice to meet up and ride with some like minded folk.
>> More of a social gathering with some medium duty riding mixed in. Maybe
>> beers mixed in at the end?
>>
>> One of my highlights this year was Entmoot. So much fun to meet fellow
>> Rivendell owners from all over. I've also enjoyed getting to know the
>> Rivendell employees, and fellow riders through the list and
>> buying/selling
>> things locally. Would love to organize something where we meet up more
>> regularly, for a more casual, social ride setting. And by 'organize' i
>> mean
>> that in the absolute loosest sense of the word. Last thing I want to be
>> responsible for is any sort of official group with insurance and waivers,
>> etc.
>>
>> I typically go for rides out of Rockridge (up tunnel road, snake rd, or
>> shasta in Berkeley, and figure it out from there) on Saturday or Sunday
>> mornings around 9:00 or 9:30 for around 3-4 hours (road, trail,
>> mixed)...usually, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter when time is tight.
>> Other times I'll go to N. Bay or further out in the East Bay (over the
>> peak
>> and into Mt Diablo/Shell Ridge area) and find some routes there: road or
>> trails. I'm not very fast. Touring pace. Home in time for lunch and a
>> beer.
>> I do this almost every week (rockridge departure) so could be a weekly
>> thing if enough people are interested. I'm not big on being out more than
>> 4-5 hours or so, 4 hours is my sweet spot.
>>
>> My thought is a once a month thing (like first saturday or sunday?) If
>> enough interest I can just setup a google group and we can take it from
>> there. Just gauging interest for now or seeing if something else is
>> already
>> out there. Maybe an inaugural ride starting at the Rockridge BART the
>> weekend of Jan 3 or 10? I think I already have some travel the first few
>> weeks of Feb so could already be a rocky start for the second month, but
>> happy to make some amends for the greater good where I can.
>>
>> Possible overnighter meet ups as well?
>>
>> Let me know, PM or reply to thread.
>>
>> Disclaimer: my main road ride is actually not a Rivendell, but a Gunnar
>> (outfitted with a front rack and sackville trunk bag of course), though I
>> have three rivendells now for trail (hunqapillar), commute (cheviot), and
>> single speeding (QB) that I can take out to fit in :) Unless someone
>> wants
>> to trade me an AHH.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[David Stein]

Maybe 1/4 instead of 1/3 and set on the first Sunday then? Thats fine by me.

Joe - sounds awesome is that a regular thing? i'll be on a plane across the
country that day.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>
> wither the annual New Years Day Diablo mudfest?
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 12/18/14, Dan McNamara  wrote:
> > I am up for joining in. Might not be able to do 1/3 but I'll see if I can
> > shuffle things around. Sundays are better than Saturdays.
> >
> > Thanks for getting this started.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:22 PM, DS  wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone interested in meeting up for a monthly Rivendell ride in the Bay
> >> Area (East Bay specifically since I live in Oakland but happy to travel
> >> up
> >> to an hour and include anyone located within spitting distance)? I feel
> >> like there's a lot of  you Oakland/Berkeley members on here, some of you
> >> must be riding on weekends and fit within my style and timeframe of
> >> riding?
> >> Or is there something like this already exists (besides Manny's rides
> >> which
> >> look totally awesome but would take too much out time and energy out of
> >> my
> >> weekend)? Would be nice to meet up and ride with some like minded folk.
> >> More of a social gathering with some medium duty riding mixed in. Maybe
> >> beers mixed in at the end?
> >>
> >> One of my highlights this year was Entmoot. So much fun to meet fellow
> >> Rivendell owners from all over. I've also enjoyed getting to know the
> >> Rivendell employees, and fellow riders through the list and
> >> buying/selling
> >> things locally. Would love to organize something where we meet up more
> >> regularly, for a more casual, social ride setting. And by 'organize' i
> >> mean
> >> that in the absolute loosest sense of the word. Last thing I want to be
> >> responsible for is any sort of official group with insurance and
> waivers,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> I typically go for rides out of Rockridge (up tunnel road, snake rd, or
> >> shasta in Berkeley, and figure it out from there) on Saturday or Sunday
> >> mornings around 9:00 or 9:30 for around 3-4 hours (road, trail,
> >> mixed)...usually, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter when time is
> tight.
> >> Other times I'll go to N. Bay or further out in the East Bay (over the
> >> peak
> >> and into Mt Diablo/Shell Ridge area) and find some routes there: road or
> >> trails. I'm not very fast. Touring pace. Home in time for lunch and a
> >> beer.
> >> I do this almost every week (rockridge departure) so could be a weekly
> >> thing if enough people are interested. I'm not big on being out more
> than
> >> 4-5 hours or so, 4 hours is my sweet spot.
> >>
> >> My thought is a once a month thing (like first saturday or sunday?) If
> >> enough interest I can just setup a google group and we can take it from
> >> there. Just gauging interest for now or seeing if something else is
> >> already
> >> out there. Maybe an inaugural ride starting at the Rockridge BART the
> >> weekend of Jan 3 or 10? I think I already have some travel the first few
> >> weeks of Feb so could already be a rocky start for the second month, but
> >> happy to make some amends for the greater good where I can.
> >>
> >> Possible overnighter meet ups as well?
> >>
> >> Let me know, PM or reply to thread.
> >>
> >> Disclaimer: my main road ride is actually not a Rivendell, but a Gunnar
> >> (outfitted with a front rack and sackville trunk bag of course), though
> I
> >> have three rivendells now for trail (hunqapillar), commute (cheviot),
> and
> >> single speeding (QB) that I can take out to fit in :) Unless someone
> >> wants
> >> to trade me an AHH.
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Does anyone have a rack mount, battery powered tail light to sell or trade?

[Will]

I use the same cable housing as my brakes use, LBS stuff. So it's not 
exotic or particularly stand-out visible.   

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:53:32 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks; I've thought of that, tho' using plastic (copper???) swamp cooler 
> tubing, but but but but ... it's still unsightly, methinks. (Well, copper 
> tubing wouldn't be, but it would be "cluttery".)
>
> Perhaps inertia will take over and I'll just run whut I brung and stop 
> fretting.
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:18 AM, Will > 
> wrote:
>>
>> Thread the wire through cable housing. There are several housing gauges 
>> available.  Then use these to attach to the frame. 
>> http://www.vintagebicyclerebuilds.com.au/cable_accessories.htm
>>
>> All of it is easy to do. The cable run along the rear rack is short. 
>> There is no dangling. Looks good too. 
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:38:01 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Good men can disagree. I do like the "always on" quality of a dynamo 
>>> rear light, But!!
>>>
>>> 1. The Toplight seems to me to be rather dim.
>>>
>>> 2. More bad, I don't like wire zip tied or taped to, *seriatim,* top 
>>> tube, top of right seat stay, and then spanning the length of the rear 
>>> rack, unsupported -- dangling in the wind, so to speak.
>>>
>>> Had I more money, I'd have a builder find a way to route the rear wire 
>>> through top tube, seat tube, and rack tubes.
>>>
>>> Patrick "Good men always agree that you are wrong and I am right" Moore
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro <
>>> marchan...@gmail.com> wrote:

 PB makes a nice rack mount adapter for its blinkies...I used to use 
 one, but decided it was worth the trouble to hook up dynamo wiring.  Trust 
 me, it's *really worth the trouble!!!*


 On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:19:06 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't want to hassle with rear wiring. I can use either a 2-bolt or 
> a single-bolt light; want one that uses standard AA or AAA batteries. Not 
> interested in Planet Bike or other standard seatpost mount US blinkies: 
> want a rack mount light, either steady or flashing.
>
> Will be happy to trade in full or part for my current, older model 
> Toplight Line Plus which works fine but has a few minor scuffs.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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> effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? 
> what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover 
> that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth 
> to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a 
> reason 
> for doing so.”*
> *  
>   -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots*
>
> *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not 
> money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though 
> I 
> have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all 
> knowledge; 
> and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have 
> not 
> money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, 
> and 
> though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me 
> nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money 
> vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh 
> not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in 
> iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all 
> things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, 
> these three; but the greatest of these is money. *
> *  
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[RBW] Who you calling DUMMY!?!

[Bill Lindsay]

Riv is selling a DUMMYa big oneactually an XL Big Dummy.

DUMMY! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Phase Two of an Atlantis build

[Bill Lindsay]

Last night I finished up the fender install, and also made a rack-top 
splash guard to protect the underside of my basket contents (not pictured)

Bubb-lantis 

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:33:17 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Absolutely!  Plenty!
>
> On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:17:04 PM UTC-8, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Bill, no interest in DT shifting for an even cleaner and lighter build 
>> that would really make cockpit swapping easy?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Patrick Shea]

I'd be up for this. Currently on fixed but I can bring a tandem with gears!

Cheers,
Patrick

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:22 AM, DS  wrote:
>
> Anyone interested in meeting up for a monthly Rivendell ride in the Bay
> Area (East Bay specifically since I live in Oakland but happy to travel up
> to an hour and include anyone located within spitting distance)? I feel
> like there's a lot of  you Oakland/Berkeley members on here, some of you
> must be riding on weekends and fit within my style and timeframe of riding?
> Or is there something like this already exists (besides Manny's rides which
> look totally awesome but would take too much out time and energy out of my
> weekend)? Would be nice to meet up and ride with some like minded folk.
> More of a social gathering with some medium duty riding mixed in. Maybe
> beers mixed in at the end?
>
> One of my highlights this year was Entmoot. So much fun to meet fellow
> Rivendell owners from all over. I've also enjoyed getting to know the
> Rivendell employees, and fellow riders through the list and buying/selling
> things locally. Would love to organize something where we meet up more
> regularly, for a more casual, social ride setting. And by 'organize' i mean
> that in the absolute loosest sense of the word. Last thing I want to be
> responsible for is any sort of official group with insurance and waivers,
> etc.
>
> I typically go for rides out of Rockridge (up tunnel road, snake rd, or
> shasta in Berkeley, and figure it out from there) on Saturday or Sunday
> mornings around 9:00 or 9:30 for around 3-4 hours (road, trail,
> mixed)...usually, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter when time is tight.
> Other times I'll go to N. Bay or further out in the East Bay (over the peak
> and into Mt Diablo/Shell Ridge area) and find some routes there: road or
> trails. I'm not very fast. Touring pace. Home in time for lunch and a beer.
> I do this almost every week (rockridge departure) so could be a weekly
> thing if enough people are interested. I'm not big on being out more than
> 4-5 hours or so, 4 hours is my sweet spot.
>
> My thought is a once a month thing (like first saturday or sunday?) If
> enough interest I can just setup a google group and we can take it from
> there. Just gauging interest for now or seeing if something else is already
> out there. Maybe an inaugural ride starting at the Rockridge BART the
> weekend of Jan 3 or 10? I think I already have some travel the first few
> weeks of Feb so could already be a rocky start for the second month, but
> happy to make some amends for the greater good where I can.
>
> Possible overnighter meet ups as well?
>
> Let me know, PM or reply to thread.
>
> Disclaimer: my main road ride is actually not a Rivendell, but a Gunnar
> (outfitted with a front rack and sackville trunk bag of course), though I
> have three rivendells now for trail (hunqapillar), commute (cheviot), and
> single speeding (QB) that I can take out to fit in :) Unless someone wants
> to trade me an AHH.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Matthew J]

> I support you taking whatever steps necessary to give your daughter the 
safest cycling environment possible.

Me too.  Truly sorry this whole topic went off track.

Bottom line is Lungimsam should certainly give DT a try.  He may just like 
it as much as some of us here do.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Bill Lindsay]

"Bottom line is Lungimsam should certainly give DT a try.  He may just like 
it as much as some of us here do."


unless his Sam Hillborne and Bleriot don't happen to be equipped with 
DT shift bosses. In that case he should just be happy with what he has 
because barcons are also great.

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:16:41 PM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > I support you taking whatever steps necessary to give your daughter the 
> safest cycling environment possible.
>
> Me too.  Truly sorry this whole topic went off track.
>
> Bottom line is Lungimsam should certainly give DT a try.  He may just like 
> it as much as some of us here do.
>

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Re: [RBW] Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Clayton.sf]

I am in for any of this

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:09:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Shea wrote:
>
> I'd be up for this. Currently on fixed but I can bring a tandem with gears!
>  
> Cheers,
> Patrick
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:22 AM, DS > 
> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone interested in meeting up for a monthly Rivendell ride in the Bay 
>> Area (East Bay specifically since I live in Oakland but happy to travel up 
>> to an hour and include anyone located within spitting distance)? I feel 
>> like there's a lot of  you Oakland/Berkeley members on here, some of you 
>> must be riding on weekends and fit within my style and timeframe of riding? 
>> Or is there something like this already exists (besides Manny's rides which 
>> look totally awesome but would take too much out time and energy out of my 
>> weekend)? Would be nice to meet up and ride with some like minded folk. 
>> More of a social gathering with some medium duty riding mixed in. Maybe 
>> beers mixed in at the end?
>>
>> One of my highlights this year was Entmoot. So much fun to meet fellow 
>> Rivendell owners from all over. I've also enjoyed getting to know the 
>> Rivendell employees, and fellow riders through the list and buying/selling 
>> things locally. Would love to organize something where we meet up more 
>> regularly, for a more casual, social ride setting. And by 'organize' i mean 
>> that in the absolute loosest sense of the word. Last thing I want to be 
>> responsible for is any sort of official group with insurance and waivers, 
>> etc.
>>
>> I typically go for rides out of Rockridge (up tunnel road, snake rd, or 
>> shasta in Berkeley, and figure it out from there) on Saturday or Sunday 
>> mornings around 9:00 or 9:30 for around 3-4 hours (road, trail, 
>> mixed)...usually, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter when time is tight. 
>> Other times I'll go to N. Bay or further out in the East Bay (over the peak 
>> and into Mt Diablo/Shell Ridge area) and find some routes there: road or 
>> trails. I'm not very fast. Touring pace. Home in time for lunch and a beer. 
>> I do this almost every week (rockridge departure) so could be a weekly 
>> thing if enough people are interested. I'm not big on being out more than 
>> 4-5 hours or so, 4 hours is my sweet spot.
>>
>> My thought is a once a month thing (like first saturday or sunday?) If 
>> enough interest I can just setup a google group and we can take it from 
>> there. Just gauging interest for now or seeing if something else is already 
>> out there. Maybe an inaugural ride starting at the Rockridge BART the 
>> weekend of Jan 3 or 10? I think I already have some travel the first few 
>> weeks of Feb so could already be a rocky start for the second month, but 
>> happy to make some amends for the greater good where I can.
>>
>> Possible overnighter meet ups as well?
>>
>> Let me know, PM or reply to thread.
>>
>> Disclaimer: my main road ride is actually not a Rivendell, but a Gunnar 
>> (outfitted with a front rack and sackville trunk bag of course), though I 
>> have three rivendells now for trail (hunqapillar), commute (cheviot), and 
>> single speeding (QB) that I can take out to fit in :) Unless someone wants 
>> to trade me an AHH.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Jim Bronson]

I was reading the old posts in this thread and noticed this one again,
I too tend to click the bar-end with my palm as I hold the bar, works
pretty good and it keeps two hands on the bar at all times.  Of course
this only works for upshifts, unless someone has figured out how to
levitate their lever up with their palm ;)

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> I also love the subtle feel of pushing the bar end down with palm and
> everything shifting just like silk
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:04:48 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> I would disagree that brifters are more convenient than BEs.  I find
>> pushing with my finger tips quite unnatural.
>> Michael
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:41:04 AM UTC-5, Mojo wrote:
>>>
>>> I will join Andrew here, I love downtube friction shifting. Its simple
>>> with very fast derailer response to input. There is very little to go wrong.
>>> Even the entire cable is visible in case it starts to fail. Bar ends are
>>> great too just not Great. Its not as easy or as convenient as bar ends, by a
>>> gnat's ass. Just as bar ends aren't as convenient as brifters. Just how much
>>> convenience do we need? Are we men or are we Devo?! What's wrong with having
>>> to use a little more finesse?! ...Oh sorry... I feel better now.
>>>
>>> All that said, I only have one bike of eight with downtube shifters. Its
>>> my LHT tank and sometimes I pull it down just because I feel like playing
>>> fretless.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:09:21 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 If I love friction  bar end shifting, will I find friction DT shifting
 just as easy and enjoyable?

 Never done it before, and seems like the reach may make it more
 difficult and looks like there's a big potential for knees banging into
 forearms while pedalling and reaching down to shift  at same time.

 What's your experience been with DT shifting?
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[RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Evan Baird]

I'm in! I don't own a real Riv, but from a distance who can really tell.

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[RBW] Re: Bending back a bent fork

[Evan Baird]

When I dropped my New Albion off the top of a fence Manny said just flip it 
around and lean on it. This was not effective.

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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[David Craig]

My current Hilsen has DT shifters. As others have said, I like the looks. 
I'm also very comfortable with DT shifters so, even though I'm a tall guy, 
I don't really notice any issues that would ever make me want to give up 
style over function. 

When I had an Atlantis touring bike, I used DT shifters for several years 
before switching to barends. In those years, we were touring a lot and 
using Amtrak to get to the start of our tours. With a big frame, I had to 
remove the bars to fit the bike into the Amtrak bike box. Not dealing with 
shifter cables made that a bit easier. I also started using v-brakes and 
used a threadless stem adapter for the same reasons. Releasing the brakes 
was easy and not having to deal with a quill stem made getting the bars off 
super simple. I did switch back to barends on my last tour. I do find them 
a bit safer and easier on a loaded touring bike when riding slowly, dealing 
with strong crosswinds or in traffic on rutted city streets. 

Dave

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:09:21 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
> If I love friction  bar end shifting, will I find friction DT shifting 
> just as easy and enjoyable? 
>
> Never done it before, and seems like the reach may make it more difficult 
> and looks like there's a big potential for knees banging into forearms 
> while pedalling and reaching down to shift  at same time. 
>
> What's your experience been with DT shifting?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Hunqapillar on CL Modesto for $2,000

[rw1911]

Has anyone inquired and received a response?



On Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:43:51 AM UTC-5, Evan wrote:
>
> FYI. Not mine. Good price, right? 
>
> http://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/4808493534.html
>
> Modesto is a one-hour drive from Walnut Creek. I sent the seller an email 
> yesterday (Tuesday) and heard not a peep, but perhaps one of you-all could 
> inquire, get a reply, and actually buy this bike. It's likely too tall for 
> me.
>
> Evan E.
> SF, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dyno Rack Light with no rear rack?

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

Pixeos rule.  I have one that I had originally mounted on a plastic fender 
(it's now on alloy).  They're light, they're bright, they're cheap.  
Perfect!

On Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:51:42 PM UTC-5, Eli wrote:
>
> I have Spanninga pixeo taillights mounted onto the plastic fenders on two 
> bikes (planet bike and SKS).  They're great taillights: bright, super 
> lightweight, and mount easily even on plastic fenders.  And they're quite 
> inexpensive.
>
> (They have a battery-powered version too, but I'm talking about the dynamo 
> one.)
>
> -Eli
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:41 PM, David Stein  > wrote:
>>
>> All good questions! I don't have a picture at a moment, but it is a 
>> Cheviot, no saddlebags (everything is on a front rack, no rear storage), 
>> and it is the Dyno Rear Rack light from rivbike.com: 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ltd-20.htm
>>
>> There are fenders (SKS/ESGE LongBoard Silver Fenders - P50) and rack 
>> brazeons.
>>
>> Also open to different rear dyno light suggestions if there is something 
>> that is more apt for a seatpost, fender, or rack brazeon hookup.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Minh > 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This depends on the which rear dyno light you have, as well as what the 
>>> rear of your bike looks like e.g. what type of fenders, is a saddle bag in 
>>> the way, is there a rack-brazon to re-purpose etc.  a picture of the light 
>>> and rear of your bike would be a good start.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:44:33 PM UTC-5, DS wrote:

 Anyone have a hack to attach a Dyno rear rack light to a fender, 
 seatpost, or rack brazeons without using the rear rack? 

 I currently have it on a Pletscher rear rack but I don't really use the 
 rack for anything else and would rather remove it from the bike and find a 
 different way to mount that rear dyno light. I'm not very inventive so 
 thought I'd ask here. 

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[RBW] I want your broken Edelux / B&M IQ Cyo

[Anton Tutter]

If you have either of these lights and they are broken, I would like to 
take them off your hands for cash. Contact me off-list if interested.

Anton

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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Geir Bentzen]

I have had all the the types of shifters mentioned up to now, and more, 
over the almost 50 years I have been riding bikes. Truth be told, I like 
them all when they work well. I think that is the core here; what works 
well for you right now on the chosen bike? DT shifters worked very well for 
me in the 1970s and 80s, but I chose bar ends for my Hunqapillar this year. 
It's set up with 48 cm Noodles. I just don't want to stretch or bend, and 
think I may be older and stiffer the next many (I hope) years too. On the 
other hand I do love the cleanliness and elegance of DT shifters. No stray 
cables! I have a bike with stem shifters, a 1976 or 77 Fuji, and for that 
bike it feels great. The Nitto Olympic drop bars are very narrow making the 
stem an easy place to reach. The set up I have the most doubts about is for 
a Sachs 7 speed where I turn a ring on the handlebar. It often feels hard 
and without a clear message to me about what happened back down there. For 
mountain bikes thumbies are great. In my opinion you or some earlier 
owner/builder built a personality into the bike. Get to know it before you 
start changing too much and end up with a different bike altogether, and 
don't overthink things that work. Brifters are excellent if you ride fast 
and intense with full focus on staying at the right cadence and keeping the 
speed up, then you need fast and frequent shifting. But how often do you do 
that?

Geir

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:09:21 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
>
> If I love friction  bar end shifting, will I find friction DT shifting 
> just as easy and enjoyable? 
>
> Never done it before, and seems like the reach may make it more difficult 
> and looks like there's a big potential for knees banging into forearms 
> while pedalling and reaching down to shift  at same time. 
>
> What's your experience been with DT shifting?

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[RBW] WTT My Nitto M12 front rack for your Marks Rack or Nitto 32F front rack

[Pondero]

I've got an extra Nitto M12 rack (for cantilever brake mount), but would prefer 
a front rack to mount on my Quickbeam fork tabs.  Can we work a trade?

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Hunqapillar on CL Modesto for $2,000

[cyclotourist]

I sent an email last night, but no response.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 3:12 PM, rw1911  wrote:
> Has anyone inquired and received a response?
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:43:51 AM UTC-5, Evan wrote:
>>
>> FYI. Not mine. Good price, right?
>>
>> http://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/4808493534.html
>>
>> Modesto is a one-hour drive from Walnut Creek. I sent the seller an email
>> yesterday (Tuesday) and heard not a peep, but perhaps one of you-all could
>> inquire, get a reply, and actually buy this bike. It's likely too tall for
>> me.
>>
>> Evan E.
>> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[Ryan Christbaum]

>
> I might also jump in on this sort of riding.  I've been meaning to get 
> back out riding on weekends.
>
 

> Do yourselves a favor and stay off the trails in the lower part of Tilden 
> Park if you get the itch to get dirty (Curran Trail, Meadows Canyon and 
> Wildcat Gorge, specifically.)  Heavy clay soil means you won't get far 
> before you're walking.  The upper part like Seaview is okay, but sticking 
> to pavement might be the best option considering the last few weeks.
>
 
-Ryan 

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Re: [RBW] PSA: Are you missing a large yellow Albatrossed A. Homer Hilsen ?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Yep.  He's on this list... hey!?!?! that's ME!

That image was from a visit to the RBWHQ&L - I was snapping images of staff 
bicycle parking.  Which is consistent with the comments which follow. 

- Jim "My Hilsen is Blue, though I have said 'rockin'"

On Monday, December 15, 2014 7:42:02 PM UTC-8, AaronY wrote:
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> That link goes to Jim E.  He's on this list, no?
>
> -Aaron
>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires at 25,000 miles

[dougP]

Rivendell says Schwalbe tires last a long time & don't get many flats.  One 
of my high mileage touring buds can vouch for both claims.  He got these 
for Christmas 2012, and has had 2 flats since then.  When the blue puncture 
protection belt started showing thru one, he decided they'd earned their 
keep.  The outstanding performance motivated him to get another pair of the 
same tire, bumping up from 26 x 1.5 to 26 x 1.75 size.  He keeps accurate 
records of such things and says these have 25,000 miles on them.  I've 
known him for a number of years and don't doubt him.  YMMV.

Pictures prove they're worn out:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/33786397@N03/sets/72157647503088443/

In the shot with my feet in the background you can just make out a spot of 
the blue belt starting to show.  It was worn down to that point at a few 
places around the tire.  Schwalbe's website lists the 1.5" width at 870 
grams.  We weighed a worn out one at 825 grams.  

dougP

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto M18 or M1 front rack

[DS]

Let me know if you have one to sell, want to outfit my new Quickbeam buy!

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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Dave Johnston]

How about 1 of each like on my rSogn? Friction DT on the left and Indexed 
barcon on the right. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Matthew J]

> unless his Sam Hillborne and Bleriot don't happen to be equipped with DT 
shift bosses. 

Believe Bleriot did come with DT bosses.  Not sure about the Hillborne.

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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[Matthew J]

>How about 1 of each like on my rSogn? Friction DT on the left and Indexed 
barcon on the right. 

Unique, creative and clever.  I love it.  


>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bay Area RBW meetup group? ride or camping?

[David Stein]

Here's the link, I'll do a cross post in the RBW group a few days before,
and for the first few months. Anyone is welcome to post rides and meetups
there. I'll post my regular weekend rides there as well in case anyone
wants to join (those are usually decided sometime Friday).

Tried to think of a LOTR name for the group, wife suggested Riders of Rohan
but those Rohan guys always freaked me out a little bit. Let me know if
someone has something.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bay-area-rivendell-riders/0l-c3gYGJMo




On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Ryan Christbaum 
wrote:
>
> I might also jump in on this sort of riding.  I've been meaning to get
>> back out riding on weekends.
>>
>
>
>> Do yourselves a favor and stay off the trails in the lower part of Tilden
>> Park if you get the itch to get dirty (Curran Trail, Meadows Canyon and
>> Wildcat Gorge, specifically.)  Heavy clay soil means you won't get far
>> before you're walking.  The upper part like Seaview is okay, but sticking
>> to pavement might be the best option considering the last few weeks.
>>
>
> -Ryan
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Re: [RBW] Who you calling DUMMY!?!

[Anne Paulson]

Oh man, I wonder if that bike is too big for me. I could really use it.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> Riv is selling a DUMMYa big oneactually an XL Big Dummy.
>
> DUMMY!
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Hunqapillar on CL Modesto for $2,000

[Surlyprof]

I just saw it dropped to $1850.  Nice specs.  Wish I fit a Hunq 58 (I'm 
more of a 54).

John

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43:51 PM UTC-8, Evan wrote:
>
> FYI. Not mine. Good price, right? 
>
> http://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/4808493534.html
>
> Modesto is a one-hour drive from Walnut Creek. I sent the seller an email 
> yesterday (Tuesday) and heard not a peep, but perhaps one of you-all could 
> inquire, get a reply, and actually buy this bike. It's likely too tall for 
> me.
>
> Evan E.
> SF, CA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Hunqapillar on CL Modesto for $2,000

[cyclotourist]

"This posting has been deleted by its author."

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:
> I just saw it dropped to $1850.  Nice specs.  Wish I fit a Hunq 58 (I'm more
> of a 54).
>
> John
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43:51 PM UTC-8, Evan wrote:
>>
>> FYI. Not mine. Good price, right?
>>
>> http://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/4808493534.html
>>
>> Modesto is a one-hour drive from Walnut Creek. I sent the seller an email
>> yesterday (Tuesday) and heard not a peep, but perhaps one of you-all could
>> inquire, get a reply, and actually buy this bike. It's likely too tall for
>> me.
>>
>> Evan E.
>> SF, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Hunqapillar on CL Modesto for $2,000

[rw1911]

Huh. I really don't need another bike, but would have paid the asking.  Too 
bad they didn't reply.  I see it's gone, hopefully to someone on the list.  
Hit me up if you'd like to make a quick 150.  :-)


On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:19:28 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I just saw it dropped to $1850.  Nice specs.  Wish I fit a Hunq 58 (I'm 
> more of a 54).
>
> John
>
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43:51 PM UTC-8, Evan wrote:
>>
>> FYI. Not mine. Good price, right? 
>>
>> http://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/4808493534.html
>>
>> Modesto is a one-hour drive from Walnut Creek. I sent the seller an 
>> email yesterday (Tuesday) and heard not a peep, but perhaps one of you-all 
>> could inquire, get a reply, and actually buy this bike. It's likely too 
>> tall for me.
>>
>> Evan E.
>> SF, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Hunqapillar on CL Modesto for $2,000

[cyclotourist]

I was gearing up for this one myself... nice wheelset, great custom
color, thoughtful build.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:12 PM, rw1911  wrote:
> Huh. I really don't need another bike, but would have paid the asking.  Too
> bad they didn't reply.  I see it's gone, hopefully to someone on the list.
> Hit me up if you'd like to make a quick 150.  :-)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:19:28 PM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I just saw it dropped to $1850.  Nice specs.  Wish I fit a Hunq 58 (I'm
>> more of a 54).
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:43:51 PM UTC-8, Evan wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI. Not mine. Good price, right?
>>>
>>> http://modesto.craigslist.org/bik/4808493534.html
>>>
>>> Modesto is a one-hour drive from Walnut Creek. I sent the seller an email
>>> yesterday (Tuesday) and heard not a peep, but perhaps one of you-all could
>>> inquire, get a reply, and actually buy this bike. It's likely too tall for
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Evan E.
>>> SF, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bending back a bent fork

[Jim Bronson]

I bent one back for a guy on a brevet one time because some angry guy tried
to pick a fight with us riders.  I mean, I bent it back by hand.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:
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> When I dropped my New Albion off the top of a fence Manny said just flip
> it around and lean on it. This was not effective.
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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs. down tube shifting... What's your experience...

[lungimsam]

No bosses on my 53 Bleriot or 2013 Sam.
Pondering this for a next bike I may get one day to see if I should get bosses 
on the frame or not.
I guess the only way I'll know is to find a bike with them and try it out.
I am perfectly happy with my bar end shifters now though.

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