[RBW] Re: loaded handling question
the other thing that no one has mentioned is that two different frames of the same model may behave differently as regards shimmy. Slight differences in frame alignment and or assembly and even rider pedaling style can cause shimmy. So you do everything mentioned above to correct it but you may never completely get rid of it. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Frames on ebay
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:01 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: So who is the big winner??? Not me, I stayed out of the bidding. The Legolas was really tempting (and a nice price). But, it wouldn't bring any new capability to my bike fleet, just divide it more finely. I was also scared away by the lightweight tubing, as I'm #220. I already own a .7-.4-.7 bike, a 90s Giordana XL-Eco http://www.bikyle.com/giordanafrm.asp. That bike planes wonderfully; the frame is springy rather than noodly. But I ride it only on flat pavement. In my ownership, the Legolas would get bounced all over the B-roads around here (think Dirty Kanza), and I wouldn't want to thrash a beautiful, limited frame under my enthusiastic bulk. And I don't have that kinda money just burning a hole in my pocket. Congratulations to the new owner! Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Wanted: 54 Rambouillet or (maybe) a 51 San Marcos or Roadeo
Found one. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: loaded handling question
I just got a new Homer and love it. I did get a small amount of shimmy when I had my SaddleSack Large fully loaded on an R14 rack with no other weight anywhere else. But really...I have a Mark's front rack so there is no excuse for that. I added a basket on the front so I'll put some weight there if the shimmy returns. But now I wish I had popped for the NeedleBlasteur headset. Maybe I'll get a NeedleBlasteur now anyway. But I don't want to ding up my Hilsen trying to install it. How tough is it for someone of only basic mechanical expertise to swap out a headset? Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] loaded handling question
For mid trail or Surly/Rivendell-like geometries, when configuring a rear load it helps to keep as much weight as possible in front of the rear axle. The contact patch of the rear tire is the fulcrum of a shimmy inducing lever. For the front you want low panniers with mass nearly concentric with the axle. A basket or rack is great for your tent and some lightweight clothing. After that you can refine the handling with some experimentation, but ultimately you won't expert to ride with no hands when the bike is fully loaded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: This is why no one likes riding with me.
I'm glad I came away from a couple of Manny rides unscathed. Endless bike-pushing, sketchy descents and repeated calls to Kill It!! certainly don't inspire one to employ conservative riding practices. It would have been a long Medivac back to Canada KJ On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote: A few weeks ago I met list member Amit for the first time, when Manny was making a brief visit to Sacramento. One of our first topics of conversation was comparing scars we had acquired while riding with Manny. On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 8:14:23 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Hot. Steep. Loose. Sunburnt. Tired. Ladyfriend says not to kill my friends as they are the only ones willing to ride with you. Pictures proved that when the sun is out guns are out: https://flic.kr/s/aHskckbxgC Manny I melt brains Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: loaded handling question
Doug: Shops have tools specific to the job. I do nearly all my own work but have the shop change out the headset. I just take things apart down to removing the fork. I made an appt for a day when they expected to be slow, walked in they RR the headset while I waited watched. All they had to do was pop the old bits out of the frame press in the new ones. IIRC they charged me about $30, far less than the cost of my buying tools I would only use every few years. dougP On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 5:57:12 AM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote: I just got a new Homer and love it. I did get a small amount of shimmy when I had my SaddleSack Large fully loaded on an R14 rack with no other weight anywhere else. But really...I have a Mark's front rack so there is no excuse for that. I added a basket on the front so I'll put some weight there if the shimmy returns. But now I wish I had popped for the NeedleBlasteur headset. Maybe I'll get a NeedleBlasteur now anyway. But I don't want to ding up my Hilsen trying to install it. How tough is it for someone of only basic mechanical expertise to swap out a headset? Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6
I'm going to try to be there, the condition of my right knee will determine if I do the full 60 mile ride or the shorter loop. On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:07:11 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote: Any other Riv-ish folks up for this? Looks like fun, I plan on riding my Sam. Flat ride, hope the wind isn't too brutal. http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/june-6-2015/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] ISO 10cm Tallux Stem.
In my search to find my cockpit sweet spot I'd like to try a 10cm tallux stem. Anyone have one lying around they aren't using? PM me if so. Cheers, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Rivendell Readers and Catalogs
Hey folks, Trying to clear out some more stuff and raise some funds for other bike stuff I came across this stash of Riv Bike literature I have had for some time. It consists of various Rivendell catalogs and Rivendell Readers as shown in these 2 pictures. http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/ViewPicsHere/Parts/20150529_140510_resized_zpsnzdky8yp.jpg http://i793.photobucket.com/albums/yy213/ViewPicsHere/Parts/20150529_140554_resized_zpsprkfhdoe.jpg Price is for $40 + $5 shipping = total of $45 shipped to my PayPal in conti USA. List from pics: Rivendell Readers 8 to 27 Catalog #'s 2, 4, 5, 6, 7,8, 9 and 20 plus Spring 2002 and Fall-Winter 2002 Hillbourne brochure 2014 Holiday flyer Thanks everyone, Paul in Dallas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
I'm a fresh convert to the VO Randonneur bars. They're available 42cm to 50cm wide (I've got the 50s and like them even more than my 48cm Noodles) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: This is why no one likes riding with me.
A few weeks ago I met list member Amit for the first time, when Manny was making a brief visit to Sacramento. One of our first topics of conversation was comparing scars we had acquired while riding with Manny. On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 8:14:23 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Hot. Steep. Loose. Sunburnt. Tired. Ladyfriend says not to kill my friends as they are the only ones willing to ride with you. Pictures proved that when the sun is out guns are out: https://flic.kr/s/aHskckbxgC Manny I melt brains Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Frames on ebay
I definitely gave the Lego a second and third look, but am glad it went up higher than my budget would allow! No regrets on that! Happy New Bike Day to someone out there! On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 7:27:56 AM UTC-7, WETH wrote: I flirted with the Ram, but I did not win. I don't need another bike even though I want almost every Riv I see! On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 8:56:46 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:01 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: So who is the big winner??? Not me, I stayed out of the bidding. The Legolas was really tempting (and a nice price). But, it wouldn't bring any new capability to my bike fleet, just divide it more finely. I was also scared away by the lightweight tubing, as I'm #220. I already own a .7-.4-.7 bike, a 90s Giordana XL-Eco http://www.bikyle.com/giordanafrm.asp. That bike planes wonderfully; the frame is springy rather than noodly. But I ride it only on flat pavement. In my ownership, the Legolas would get bounced all over the B-roads around here (think Dirty Kanza), and I wouldn't want to thrash a beautiful, limited frame under my enthusiastic bulk. And I don't have that kinda money just burning a hole in my pocket. Congratulations to the new owner! Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
Modern bike has a good selection of Nitto with good drawings, and have both model Nitto Randos... http://www.modernbike.com/nitto-drop-handlebars On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 9:55:49 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote: If you mean flare instead of flair https://curiouserandcuriouserdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/flair-3.jpeg ;-) Nitto B132/135 Randonneur bars may be what you're looking for. The B132 and B135 have curvy tops like the noodle, but more flare through the drops. The B132 has more reach (longer flats behind the hoods) and the B135 has shorter reach. I prefer the B135 (long top tube frame), and I find it has plenty of space behind the hoods. The corners, flats, and hoods are three distinct positions. I use the B132 with the Tektro TRP RRL bars on my KOM (1 http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/KOM/IMG_00601_zpsddqpqsoj.jpg.html, 2 http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/KOM/IMG_0016_zpsbj2e8zon.jpg.html, 3 http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/KOM/IMG_0017_zps20gf1zda.jpg.html) and my Riv http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/Rivendell/IMG_00411_zpscyqwe3pe.jpg.html . This bikeforums post http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/694117-nitto-randonneur-bars-differences.html#post12952522 has a great depiction of the B132, B135, and B177 Noodle. Pro: the B132/135 are usually cheaper than the Noodle bars. Con: they're available in fewer widths. I'm happy with the 42 cm width B135s (42 at the hoods, wider at the ends after the flare). Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Jayme Frye jayme...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps and more flair at the drops? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: loaded handling question
Doug, Any reputable bike shop will swap your headset for about $25~30. YMMV. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote: I just got a new Homer and love it. I did get a small amount of shimmy when I had my SaddleSack Large fully loaded on an R14 rack with no other weight anywhere else. But really...I have a Mark's front rack so there is no excuse for that. I added a basket on the front so I'll put some weight there if the shimmy returns. But now I wish I had popped for the NeedleBlasteur headset. Maybe I'll get a NeedleBlasteur now anyway. But I don't want to ding up my Hilsen trying to install it. How tough is it for someone of only basic mechanical expertise to swap out a headset? Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/TdDx6oGiy-Y/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza
How did the 50 fun ride work out for you? ;-D Special thanks go to DK organizers for putting everyone through the crucible of mud regardless of their chosen distance. I've never completed a bike race where my upper body was more tired than my legs. My training plan did not prepare me for carrying my handlebar bag rando bike several miles through sticky mud. I made it to CP 1 for the Half Pint before throwing in the muddy towel. Mostly because I twisted my knee badly early on and although I wasn't in pain on the bike any further walking was not gonna be possible. I will return. Jayme On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:36:43 AM UTC-5, Wildcat96 wrote: I chickened out last minute and will be doing the 50 mile Fun Ride this year. Sounds like it's going to be a mudfest! I'll be riding my Sage Green Sam. If anyone from this list is going and wants to hook up, my cell is 913-406-5830. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
Rando bar has more flare, Maes bar has more reach, the longest flattest ramps are on modern ergo bars, but they typically have zero flare. You might want to look over this website: http://ruedatropical.com/2009/03/road-drop-bar-geometry/ On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 9:41:57 AM UTC-5, Jayme Frye wrote: Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps and more flair at the drops? Jayme -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps and more flair at the drops? Jayme -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Frames on ebay
I flirted with the Ram, but I did not win. I don't need another bike even though I want almost every Riv I see! On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 8:56:46 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:01 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: So who is the big winner??? Not me, I stayed out of the bidding. The Legolas was really tempting (and a nice price). But, it wouldn't bring any new capability to my bike fleet, just divide it more finely. I was also scared away by the lightweight tubing, as I'm #220. I already own a .7-.4-.7 bike, a 90s Giordana XL-Eco http://www.bikyle.com/giordanafrm.asp. That bike planes wonderfully; the frame is springy rather than noodly. But I ride it only on flat pavement. In my ownership, the Legolas would get bounced all over the B-roads around here (think Dirty Kanza), and I wouldn't want to thrash a beautiful, limited frame under my enthusiastic bulk. And I don't have that kinda money just burning a hole in my pocket. Congratulations to the new owner! Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: loaded handling question
On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 8:57:12 AM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I just got a new Homer and love it. I did get a small amount of shimmy when I had my SaddleSack Large fully loaded on an R14 rack with no other weight anywhere else. But really...I have a Mark's front rack so there is no excuse for that. I added a basket on the front so I'll put some weight there if the shimmy returns. But now I wish I had popped for the NeedleBlasteur headset. Maybe I'll get a NeedleBlasteur now anyway. But I don't want to ding up my Hilsen trying to install it. How tough is it for someone of only basic mechanical expertise to swap out a headset? Doug Changing out a headset is a pretty easy job if you have the right tools, but potentially messy without them.To do it right, for removing the old headset you'll want a crown race puller, a cup remover, and a mallet or light hammer. For installation, you'll want a crown race setter. For installing the cups you can just use a piece of 5/8 threaded rod, two nuts, and some big washers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
If you mean flare instead of flair https://curiouserandcuriouserdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/flair-3.jpeg ;-) Nitto B132/135 Randonneur bars may be what you're looking for. The B132 and B135 have curvy tops like the noodle, but more flare through the drops. The B132 has more reach (longer flats behind the hoods) and the B135 has shorter reach. I prefer the B135 (long top tube frame), and I find it has plenty of space behind the hoods. The corners, flats, and hoods are three distinct positions. I use the B132 with the Tektro TRP RRL bars on my KOM (1 http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/KOM/IMG_00601_zpsddqpqsoj.jpg.html, 2 http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/KOM/IMG_0016_zpsbj2e8zon.jpg.html, 3 http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/KOM/IMG_0017_zps20gf1zda.jpg.html) and my Riv http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/Rivendell/IMG_00411_zpscyqwe3pe.jpg.html . This bikeforums post http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/694117-nitto-randonneur-bars-differences.html#post12952522 has a great depiction of the B132, B135, and B177 Noodle. Pro: the B132/135 are usually cheaper than the Noodle bars. Con: they're available in fewer widths. I'm happy with the 42 cm width B135s (42 at the hoods, wider at the ends after the flare). Tim Gavin Cedar Rapids, IA On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Jayme Frye jayme.f...@gmail.com wrote: Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps and more flair at the drops? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: loaded handling question
If I bought an Atlantis expecting it to carry a load and it couldn't, I'd be upset. It's a matter of placement, balance, and load security. The bike is fine; it's how we choose to use it that can cause variations in handling. Lot's of trial lots of error went into my learning experience. Your Sam could likely carry 40 lbs but would have to be organized properly to do so. Mike's comments about low placement are especially pertinent. dougP On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: Wow! I find this post disturbing. If I bought an Atlantis expecting it to carry a load and it couldn't, I'd be upset. As a side note: I participated in this years Party at Pardee. It's a Northern California foothills annual metric century with about 4,500 feet of climbing. In a sea of carbon I rode my Sam Hillborne. As I was tooling along a Surly Trucker pulled up alongside and we rode together for a while. He complimented me on my bike and told me about some of his tours; both in the USA and out. This dude was seasoned, and if this ride was a race he probably could have won it on his unloaded Trucker. I could only keep pace for a while. He was a fan of Rivendell and was familiar with their offerings. I asked him a few questions about touring and he said the Trucker was a noodle with 60 lbs. of gear. He was disappointed. I asked him if he thought my Sam could handle 40 lbs. and he said I doubt it. I think he was being polite. Since than, I've been thinking about the possibility of a trailer. I'd hate to sell the Sam because I love the ride and want to grow old with it, Gotta love romance. One day, I hope to haul more than 40+ lbs on a touring expedition, and I do not want to have to get another bike. A trailer probably has its own set of problems but I can see advantages also. For example, less weight on the primary wheels; this would seem to be especially significant off road. Less weight on the frame which may help with shimmy, and maybe most importantly, the ability to have one bike for recreational riding, commuting, S240's and touring. All the while, still making use of other previously purchased accessories such as racks, panniers, baskets, shopsacks, etc. For the record these are just my thoughts, and I want to clarify this because I really have no S240 or touring experience on a bicycle. I do, however, have a lot of experience touring and camping on a motorcycle. I think there are similarities. Motorcycles will shimmy also, but I learned to live with it, played with it, and had fun with it, but never considered a trailer. Probably because things are different when you have several hundred CC's between your legs at the twist of a wrist. But I'm no newbie to cycling either. I've been commuting on a bicycle, on average 30 - 45 miles per day, 5 days per week, for the most part year round, since the early nineties. I don't want to take this topic off track but I am interested in what people think of trailers, as an option, in general. At least until we hear the scientific results from of dougP, David and Hugh. On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Whew! I just read all the posts, took two attempts. I've been busy! I have to agree with rack/load flex as at least one point of origin of oscillation that is then transmitted through out the frame, but in the extreme. Both my Hilsen and Atlantis have had shimmy. When riding the Hilsen basically unloaded at speeds above 25 mph hands free I get shimmy as soon as I squeeze the top tube with my knees it's gone! Hands on nothing. I had the same issue with my '03 Atlantis loaded or unloaded. Violent shimmy even with one hand loaded and horrible at low speed climbing, lots of drift and correction which is super fatiguing. Mike Schiller suggested the Tange needle bearing headset, which I installed. The headset made a huge difference and like Doug said the increased friction at the bottom race (the upper race are normal bearings)dampens the oscillation. But this headset will only go so far in resolving shimmy. Personally, I feel that the ride quality inherent with Riv's tubing and geometry that we admire is also what contributes to frame flex and consequently shimmy. In the case of both my bikes unladen I hypothesize the shake originates at the bottom fork race and becomes amplified though out the frame. Add a load that flexes and you have a recipe for increased shaking. I understand that some Riv's don't manifest these qualities therefore I attribute this to inconsistencies in batch builds. Also, I'm certainly no expert in tubing types and geometry but understand there are other bike builds that don't manifest these qualities. But since we're talking about a Riv All Rounder. David, I understand you want to use what you have but I'll still throw out my suggestions
[RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
Compass Bicycle has Nitto made copies of French handle bars. Long ramps, more flair than a Noodle. https://www.compasscycle.com/product-category/components/handlebars/ I ride Noodles on one bike and the Maes parallel on a couple, easy to switch between bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Boxy Acorn Rando bag black
Like new. Purchased last month when they went on sale and used for two rides, under 70 miles total. I've decided its too big for my needs. $200 + shipping (medium or large usps flat rate box). Local pickup also available in Oakland. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6
I thought it was a 50 mile ride. Is there a shorter loop option? Did not see it on the site. Dan On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to try to be there, the condition of my right knee will determine if I do the full 60 mile ride or the shorter loop. On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:07:11 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote: Any other Riv-ish folks up for this? Looks like fun, I plan on riding my Sam. Flat ride, hope the wind isn't too brutal. http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/june-6-2015/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: loaded handling question
Try putting your knee against the top tube. I know for me at some speed shimmy can be induced or begin and my knee calms it right down. That being said.. my theories.. right wrong ... shrug.. just me thinking.. 1. On my larger framed bike with larger tires I get shimmy free handed... non of my wife bikes shimmy at 61cm even with load. Betty Foy, Atlantis, and Roadeo 2. Tires.. the bigger the tire the more chance of shimmy.. so balance the tires... (ok that's a joke but a thought for me) based on AHH and Rambouiet that with light fast tires 32mm from compass no shimmy at all... 3. when loaded on my Bombadil I can ride no handed at lower speeds with 70lbs of gear including handlebar bag with 35mm dslr in it, 9lb tent in front basket and 24lbs of gear in the lowrider front panniers... at lower speeds... Note to that on every bike I can comfortable go down hill holding my floppy hat on my head with one hand and other hand lightly on the bar with zero shimmy or even a trace... As for the comment about a Hilbourne not being able to carry 40lbs I say that it's not my experience as several friends of mine have them and tour with them successfully. That's my two cents with my experience... shrug.. Kelly On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 11:07:38 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Last week on a S240, had a great time (except for that one incident) but the problem was really, really bad shimmy/wobble. So bad I really couldn't take my hands off even for a bit at any speed. Rear loaded, with a little bit up front (sleeping bag). Pannier on one side only but not a ton of weight in there. Heaviest thing was probably the tent, packed up high. So what am I packing wrong? I don't want to get a whole new luggage system, nor a new bike, just want to work with what I've got and what you can see here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/17795666300/in/photostream/lightbox/ Suggestions? Want to get it so I'm stable and can ride hands free, at least at lower 10mph speeds. Possible, or just the wrong bike for it? Intermediate Riv tubing, OS downtube, nothing super light, nor super stout, basically like a Hilsen I would guess. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: loaded handling question
Yes, this is what I'm looking for: Note to that on every bike I can comfortable go down hill holding my floppy hat on my head with one hand and other hand lightly on the bar with zero shimmy or even a trace... I think I just need to pack better, I like the forward of rear axle idea. That may be why a seat bag works well, even though it's high up??? On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 10:53:25 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote: If I bought an Atlantis expecting it to carry a load and it couldn't, I'd be upset. It's a matter of placement, balance, and load security. The bike is fine; it's how we choose to use it that can cause variations in handling. Lot's of trial lots of error went into my learning experience. Your Sam could likely carry 40 lbs but would have to be organized properly to do so. Mike's comments about low placement are especially pertinent. dougP On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 9:47:22 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: Wow! I find this post disturbing. If I bought an Atlantis expecting it to carry a load and it couldn't, I'd be upset. As a side note: I participated in this years Party at Pardee. It's a Northern California foothills annual metric century with about 4,500 feet of climbing. In a sea of carbon I rode my Sam Hillborne. As I was tooling along a Surly Trucker pulled up alongside and we rode together for a while. He complimented me on my bike and told me about some of his tours; both in the USA and out. This dude was seasoned, and if this ride was a race he probably could have won it on his unloaded Trucker. I could only keep pace for a while. He was a fan of Rivendell and was familiar with their offerings. I asked him a few questions about touring and he said the Trucker was a noodle with 60 lbs. of gear. He was disappointed. I asked him if he thought my Sam could handle 40 lbs. and he said I doubt it. I think he was being polite. Since than, I've been thinking about the possibility of a trailer. I'd hate to sell the Sam because I love the ride and want to grow old with it, Gotta love romance. One day, I hope to haul more than 40+ lbs on a touring expedition, and I do not want to have to get another bike. A trailer probably has its own set of problems but I can see advantages also. For example, less weight on the primary wheels; this would seem to be especially significant off road. Less weight on the frame which may help with shimmy, and maybe most importantly, the ability to have one bike for recreational riding, commuting, S240's and touring. All the while, still making use of other previously purchased accessories such as racks, panniers, baskets, shopsacks, etc. For the record these are just my thoughts, and I want to clarify this because I really have no S240 or touring experience on a bicycle. I do, however, have a lot of experience touring and camping on a motorcycle. I think there are similarities. Motorcycles will shimmy also, but I learned to live with it, played with it, and had fun with it, but never considered a trailer. Probably because things are different when you have several hundred CC's between your legs at the twist of a wrist. But I'm no newbie to cycling either. I've been commuting on a bicycle, on average 30 - 45 miles per day, 5 days per week, for the most part year round, since the early nineties. I don't want to take this topic off track but I am interested in what people think of trailers, as an option, in general. At least until we hear the scientific results from of dougP, David and Hugh. On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Whew! I just read all the posts, took two attempts. I've been busy! I have to agree with rack/load flex as at least one point of origin of oscillation that is then transmitted through out the frame, but in the extreme. Both my Hilsen and Atlantis have had shimmy. When riding the Hilsen basically unloaded at speeds above 25 mph hands free I get shimmy as soon as I squeeze the top tube with my knees it's gone! Hands on nothing. I had the same issue with my '03 Atlantis loaded or unloaded. Violent shimmy even with one hand loaded and horrible at low speed climbing, lots of drift and correction which is super fatiguing. Mike Schiller suggested the Tange needle bearing headset, which I installed. The headset made a huge difference and like Doug said the increased friction at the bottom race (the upper race are normal bearings)dampens the oscillation. But this headset will only go so far in resolving shimmy. Personally, I feel that the ride quality inherent with Riv's tubing and geometry that we admire is also what contributes to frame flex and consequently shimmy. In the case of both my bikes unladen I hypothesize the shake originates at the bottom fork race and becomes amplified though out the frame. Add a load that flexes and you have a recipe for
[RBW] Re: loaded handling question
I have an Atlantis with a Tubus Logo Evo rear rack. I heavily load one pannier (right hand side) frequently. Has never shimmied. I think a good deal of this shimmy business is due to folks using poor cargo systems. Yes, I know Riv promotes saddlebags, but riding with high weight isn't wise. Also, weighting small single strut platform racks isn't wise. You need cross bracing to stabilize the rack. You also need a good relationship between the rack and axles. Attaching rack struts to barrels halfway up a fork blade, or barrels halfway down a seat stay doesn't carry the weight directly to the axles, it hangs the weight on the frame. You need to take the weight to the dropouts. I strongly suspect that the relationship between the loaded bike weight (rider + cargo) and the rotating mass of the wheels is a key factor. Moving that rotating mass in or out and inch or two (trail) or moving the rider (or cargo) in or out or down with respect to the wheels (rotating mass) should resolve most issues. I think the key element is associating the weight with the axles. If you can get the weight more directly to the axles... why would the frame vibrate? On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 9:13:17 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote: Whew! I just read all the posts, took two attempts. I've been busy! I have to agree with rack/load flex as at least one point of origin of oscillation that is then transmitted through out the frame, but in the extreme. Both my Hilsen and Atlantis have had shimmy. When riding the Hilsen basically unloaded at speeds above 25 mph hands free I get shimmy as soon as I squeeze the top tube with my knees it's gone! Hands on nothing. I had the same issue with my '03 Atlantis loaded or unloaded. Violent shimmy even with one hand loaded and horrible at low speed climbing, lots of drift and correction which is super fatiguing. Mike Schiller suggested the Tange needle bearing headset, which I installed. The headset made a huge difference and like Doug said the increased friction at the bottom race (the upper race are normal bearings)dampens the oscillation. But this headset will only go so far in resolving shimmy. Personally, I feel that the ride quality inherent with Riv's tubing and geometry that we admire is also what contributes to frame flex and consequently shimmy. In the case of both my bikes unladen I hypothesize the shake originates at the bottom fork race and becomes amplified though out the frame. Add a load that flexes and you have a recipe for increased shaking. I understand that some Riv's don't manifest these qualities therefore I attribute this to inconsistencies in batch builds. Also, I'm certainly no expert in tubing types and geometry but understand there are other bike builds that don't manifest these qualities. But since we're talking about a Riv All Rounder. David, I understand you want to use what you have but I'll still throw out my suggestions even though. So how to mitigate these aspects and have the stability desired? Install the Tange headset number one, next as Doug mentioned, try different load configurations. I like a low front load even with a medium trail fork using a Tubus low rider rack with hoop, small campee rack/basket configuration under 3 lbs and a light rear load strapped/secured to an R14 rack. When feasible I ditch the low rider's off road. In terms of cockpits, and I know lots of you love drop bars but for comfort I like Albatross bars up high, I can be in an aggressive position in the hooks and when I need to give my back and neck a break I can sit up with no need to ride hands free. I have plans to remove replace my Hilsen's headset and since my Atlantis is my loaded tour rig I have plans to have a low trail fork built just to see whether or not it makes a difference. My .02. Cheers, ~Hugh Los Angeles, CA May 28, 2015 at 9:07:38 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Last week on a S240, had a great time (except for that one incident) but the problem was really, really bad shimmy/wobble. So bad I really couldn't take my hands off even for a bit at any speed. Rear loaded, with a little bit up front (sleeping bag). Pannier on one side only but not a ton of weight in there. Heaviest thing was probably the tent, packed up high. So what am I packing wrong? I don't want to get a whole new luggage system, nor a new bike, just want to work with what I've got and what you can see here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/17795666300/in/photostream/lightbox/ Suggestions? Want to get it so I'm stable and can ride hands free, at least at lower 10mph speeds. Possible, or just the wrong bike for it? Intermediate Riv tubing, OS downtube, nothing super light, nor super stout, basically like a Hilsen I would guess. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the
Re: [RBW] loaded handling question
Loaded handling question Pun intended? ;) On May 28, 2015 11:07 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Last week on a S240, had a great time (except for that one incident) but the problem was really, really bad shimmy/wobble. So bad I really couldn't take my hands off even for a bit at any speed. Rear loaded, with a little bit up front (sleeping bag). Pannier on one side only but not a ton of weight in there. Heaviest thing was probably the tent, packed up high. So what am I packing wrong? I don't want to get a whole new luggage system, nor a new bike, just want to work with what I've got and what you can see here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/17795666300/in/photostream/lightbox/ Suggestions? Want to get it so I'm stable and can ride hands free, at least at lower 10mph speeds. Possible, or just the wrong bike for it? Intermediate Riv tubing, OS downtube, nothing super light, nor super stout, basically like a Hilsen I would guess. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
Check out the Nitto RM - 013. Similar to noodles, but more flare in the drops. Just enough to keep my forearms from hitting the tops whilst in the hooks/drops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
Ron, It has been my experience that modern bars have the shortest and most steep ramps. Even in the page you referenced the author mentions that ramps shrank as a response to integrated shift/brake levers. Was there a specific bar you had in mind when you said that? I really enjoy both flat ramps and ergo drops so I am interested in a model I may have overlooked. Jayme, while randonneur bars do have more flare, they also tend to have curved tops that bend on a different plane than the noodles - they bump up rather than sweep back. I find the shape rather uncomfortable. YMMV Jason On Jun 1, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Rando bar has more flare, Maes bar has more reach, the longest flattest ramps are on modern ergo bars, but they typically have zero flare. You might want to look over this website: http://ruedatropical.com/2009/03/road-drop-bar-geometry/ On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 9:41:57 AM UTC-5, Jayme Frye wrote: Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps and more flair at the drops? Jayme -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Elephant National Park Explorer
Very cool looking bike, Bobby. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 3:50 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Elephant National Park Explorer http://www.elephantbikes.com/stock/ Interesting bike... Rivish in several ways, skinny tubing, really cool fork (reminds me of Wes Willits' Wow fork) and it accepts disc brakes Stretching the possibilities... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem presale end date
It looks like both of you have nothing to worry about. Grant clarified on the Blug what exactly was meant by his 5/29 post. The price is what you expected. $1400 as long as you pay before September 1. The June 1 thing is only about what bikes got ordered. The colors and sizes that people didn't want, Riv didn't order. Both of you should just call Rivendell Bicycle Works and talk to them. They are incredibly nice. If you have your heart set on a Clem in a particular size and a particular color, and are striving to have the money by September 1, then just call them and talk to them about it. I'm sure they'll set your heart at ease. On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:25:09 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote: The Clem brochure states, and I quote, When— We’re getting 200 complete bikes in October. price— Paid off by September 1 and not a single day later: $1,400. After that: $1,500. That's from the version I saved when it first came out. The current revised version says, and I quote, AvAiLAbiLiTY pRiCE/pAYMENT COLOR SELECTiON When— We’re getting 200 complete CLEMS in October. With all the parts already on ‘em. price— $1,500 To reserve one: $800 deposit. To save $100: Send us $1,400 before Aug. 1. And now it's June 1, according to the latest Blug. It's hard to budget for a bike, what with these shifting deadlines and all. On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 4:51:49 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote: The last Blug post said June 1, I thought it was Aug 1. Now I have to convince my friend in a day instead of two months! Hard to be a salesman sometimes, what with these shifting deadlines. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question about knife sharpening device
I've never used a sharpener exactly like that, but my understanding is that sharpeners of that ilk (the carbide versions being the worst offenders) tend to leave a rough, almost torn-looking edge (on a microscopic scale) compared to sharpening with a stone or ceramic rod*. *It probably depends on the material your knife is made of, though, and it may be just fine for a $6 knife from Ikea (I have one, total garbage. I keep trying to get rid of it and my wife keeps bringing it back in the house. Did you mean to put this in the trash? I like it.. I use a Lansky diamond setup for sharpening, which is quick and repeatable. Not as quick as a few drags through that gizmo, but quick enough. There are a few similar sharpeners out there with ceramic stones, which seem to work well provided they're set at the angle you like. Andrew Portland, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Elephant National Park Explorer
http://www.elephantbikes.com/stock/ Interesting bike... Rivish in several ways, skinny tubing, really cool fork (reminds me of Wes Willits' Wow fork) and it accepts disc brakes Stretching the possibilities... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] SHOWTIME WEDNESDAY 9PM EASTERN
If you get Showtime..60 minutes Sports is doing a segment on Backroads and extreme vacations. 9PM (EST) Wednesday. http://www.sho.com/sho/60-minutes-sports/home -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
Hi Jason if you look at bars like Ritchey WCS - the reach measures the same as noodles - but they are much flatter than noodles. Deda Newtons are equivalently long and flatter. Modolo X-boost is longer. My favorite drops are compact - Cinelli 64 On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:18:49 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote: Ron, It has been my experience that modern bars have the shortest and most steep ramps. Even in the page you referenced the author mentions that ramps shrank as a response to integrated shift/brake levers. Was there a specific bar you had in mind when you said that? I really enjoy both flat ramps and ergo drops so I am interested in a model I may have overlooked. Jayme, while randonneur bars do have more flare, they also tend to have curved tops that bend on a different plane than the noodles - they bump up rather than sweep back. I find the shape rather uncomfortable. YMMV Jason On Jun 1, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Rando bar has more flare, Maes bar has more reach, the longest flattest ramps are on modern ergo bars, but they typically have zero flare. You might want to look over this website: http://ruedatropical.com/2009/03/road-drop-bar-geometry/ On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 9:41:57 AM UTC-5, Jayme Frye wrote: Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps and more flair at the drops? Jayme -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Big Agnes Seedhouse 1-person ultralight tent.
decided to pull the trigger on a bivy experiment and am selling my lightly used seedhouse sl-1 for funds. used it maybe 7 or 8 times and everything works fine. i made a footprint for it out of regular ripstop nylon or you can buy an official one from big agnes. here is a link with specs and stuff http://www.rei.com/product/873941/big-agnes-seedhouse-sl-1-tent looking for 160$ shipped. if you're seriously interested, ill set it up and take pictures -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Elephant National Park Explorer
Hi Tony, The full housing runs are mostly about keeping grit and grime out of cables. They also allow for hydraulic lines if one goes that route for braking. An advantage of the top tube cable routing on a front loader like this is a clear downtube to grab, the best point for lifting a front-heavy bike over obstacles. No doubt your Bomba is ready to E the NFs, too! The mission statements are a little different, though. The stock NFE has the same tubing as my Romulus (and, I think similar to the Hilsen in the current lineup, amybe a notch lighter than your Saluki even). It's not a full on tourer like the stouter Rivs. I'm curious whether the disc fork is as smooth as the one on my Rom, expect it to be a little harsher. I got in on the initial run but haven't gotten to build mine yet. Eight years in the Pac NW has convinced me that discs are worth a try. A neat advantage is the ability to try a 26 wheelset with the Rat Trap Pass tires when they come out. Best, joe broach pdx or On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote: It's an exciting looking bike, makes you think of the places you could go. I've not really felt the need for disc brakes so far but they did it w/out messing up the aesthetics of the bike and I know it's a big deal to some. Does the super long, housed run of the RD cable impact shifting performance in any way? I haven't snagged my shift cables on the DT so far (knock on wood) but I suppose I haven't done the kind of extreme terrain this bike was intended for. Bottom line is that when I look at this bike, once the 'shiny-new-thing' wave passes I say... my Bombadil could DEFINITELY do that! :) I think the NFE strikes a strong chord with me to, though my first thought w/ that label is my not so successful attempt to go lumberjacking with my Saluki last summer! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FK4JqOrGvjw/VWziN7a0U6I/HzQ/2FyF-arbbl0/s1600/DSC_3898.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: For Sale - Levers
All of my levers have found new homes. Thanks for your interest. John On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 4:08:36 PM UTC-5, John wrote: I've ended up with some extra levers that need a new home. Prices include shipping to the lower 48: Tektro Interruptor brake levers - RX 2.0 model. Excellent condition - no scratches. Came off my Noodles, so clamp diameter is 23.8mm. $20 Tektro City brake levers - no other identifying marks. Excellent condition - no scratches. Came off a VO Tourist bar, so clamp diameter is 22.2mm. $20 Shimano bar end shift levers. I believe these are Ultegra. Check out the photos - there are some scratches on the outside surfaces. Fully functional. $45 Photos can be seen here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/53546004@N07/5m1MCw Email me off-group with any questions or suggestions as to fair prices. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Gray Waxed Canvas Bags. ( one last red one).
In between some bag orders I managed to do a small run of gray waxed canvas saddle wedges. 4 total are available, 2 regular ones, 2 slightly fancier ones. Info here: http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/medium-saddle-wedge-ready-made Also, I made of a prototype of a small zippered wedge in red waxed canvas. Info here: http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/small-saddle-wedge-prototype-red-waxed-canvas Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Elephant National Park Explorer
It's an exciting looking bike, makes you think of the places you could go. I've not really felt the need for disc brakes so far but they did it w/out messing up the aesthetics of the bike and I know it's a big deal to some. Does the super long, housed run of the RD cable impact shifting performance in any way? I haven't snagged my shift cables on the DT so far (knock on wood) but I suppose I haven't done the kind of extreme terrain this bike was intended for. Bottom line is that when I look at this bike, once the 'shiny-new-thing' wave passes I say... my Bombadil could DEFINITELY do that! :) I think the NFE strikes a strong chord with me to, though my first thought w/ that label is my not so successful attempt to go lumberjacking with my Saluki last summer! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FK4JqOrGvjw/VWziN7a0U6I/HzQ/2FyF-arbbl0/s1600/DSC_3898.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6
Quickbeam? My bike with all the CA parts (White, Phil) is a singlespeed mtb, so it's the QB or the Gravel Roadster for me. Philip biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] replacement for an Irish strap?
I need a few Irish Straps. $8 is a bit pricey, but I love how they look, so I'm usually happy to spring for them. Turns out Riv is out of them for now. A couple years back I was in the lame camping aisle at my Ace Hardware. They had a Coleman brand tie-down strap that had the identical buckle to an Irish strap. It was totally the same thing, and it was $4 for a pair. I bought a pair on a whim and have used those black Coleman straps and Irish straps side-by-side and interchangeably. Now, the tie-down strap that Coleman sells is a lame chinese plastic buckle thing and is just not an acceptable replacement for the Irish Strap. Is there a suitable replacement for an Irish strap? Same length and width, same metal spring-loaded buckle? Or should I wait a few more weeks for Riv to have the real deal? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] replacement for an Irish strap?
Patience, young grasshopper… From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 6:23 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] replacement for an Irish strap? I need a few Irish Straps. $8 is a bit pricey, but I love how they look, so I'm usually happy to spring for them. Turns out Riv is out of them for now. A couple years back I was in the lame camping aisle at my Ace Hardware. They had a Coleman brand tie-down strap that had the identical buckle to an Irish strap. It was totally the same thing, and it was $4 for a pair. I bought a pair on a whim and have used those black Coleman straps and Irish straps side-by-side and interchangeably. Now, the tie-down strap that Coleman sells is a lame chinese plastic buckle thing and is just not an acceptable replacement for the Irish Strap. Is there a suitable replacement for an Irish strap? Same length and width, same metal spring-loaded buckle? Or should I wait a few more weeks for Riv to have the real deal? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: replacement for an Irish strap?
I think Arno straps are what you're looking for and probably readily available at your nearest REI. They're longer than the Riv Irish strap but the buckle and strap width are identical enough. http://www.rei.com/product/833518/coghlans-arno-straps On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:22:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: I need a few Irish Straps. $8 is a bit pricey, but I love how they look, so I'm usually happy to spring for them. Turns out Riv is out of them for now. A couple years back I was in the lame camping aisle at my Ace Hardware. They had a Coleman brand tie-down strap that had the identical buckle to an Irish strap. It was totally the same thing, and it was $4 for a pair. I bought a pair on a whim and have used those black Coleman straps and Irish straps side-by-side and interchangeably. Now, the tie-down strap that Coleman sells is a lame chinese plastic buckle thing and is just not an acceptable replacement for the Irish Strap. Is there a suitable replacement for an Irish strap? Same length and width, same metal spring-loaded buckle? Or should I wait a few more weeks for Riv to have the real deal? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem presale end date
Well, I'm glad that's sorted. I'm about halfway there. Whew. On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:36:34 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like both of you have nothing to worry about. Grant clarified on the Blug what exactly was meant by his 5/29 post. The price is what you expected. $1400 as long as you pay before September 1. The June 1 thing is only about what bikes got ordered. The colors and sizes that people didn't want, Riv didn't order. Both of you should just call Rivendell Bicycle Works and talk to them. They are incredibly nice. If you have your heart set on a Clem in a particular size and a particular color, and are striving to have the money by September 1, then just call them and talk to them about it. I'm sure they'll set your heart at ease. On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:25:09 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote: The Clem brochure states, and I quote, When— We’re getting 200 complete bikes in October. price— Paid off by September 1 and not a single day later: $1,400. After that: $1,500. That's from the version I saved when it first came out. The current revised version says, and I quote, AvAiLAbiLiTY pRiCE/pAYMENT COLOR SELECTiON When— We’re getting 200 complete CLEMS in October. With all the parts already on ‘em. price— $1,500 To reserve one: $800 deposit. To save $100: Send us $1,400 before Aug. 1. And now it's June 1, according to the latest Blug. It's hard to budget for a bike, what with these shifting deadlines and all. On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 4:51:49 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote: The last Blug post said June 1, I thought it was Aug 1. Now I have to convince my friend in a day instead of two months! Hard to be a salesman sometimes, what with these shifting deadlines. Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Elephant National Park Explorer
I absolutely love my first batch NFE. The tubing is perfect for my weight, uses, and riding style. The fork is more supple than my previous rawland rsogn and my simpleone, but all things aren't equal so it's pretty hard to say with certainty. As I understand it, it's possible to make a supple disc fork, but very difficult in a production setting. Glen had special mounts machined locally to keep the fork as compliant as possible. All I really know is that the bike rides wonderfully and was a killer value for a domestically made frame. Highly recommend. Hudson in atx. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Gray Waxed Canvas Bags. ( one last red one).
Nice bags! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question about knife sharpening device
I've been using the device for a few days now and I think it works just like a steel, it, to straighten the edge bent from use. Again, I use very little pressure and don't think of it as a sharpening device but a truing device, the measure of sharpness being the way the edge cuts a ripe tomato of soft loaf of bread. At any rate, the steel is in the drawer in case I once again need it. It's just that this thing hands conveniently on my magnetic knife rack, very ready to hand. My knives are (as Julia Child recommends) carbon steel (not sure if that means low or medium or high carbon content; but they seem softer than stainless steel, which I find much harder to keep sharp) l and take an edge nicely; they just need to be kept in trim. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Andrew Drummond andrew.d.drumm...@gmail.com wrote: I've never used a sharpener exactly like that, but my understanding is that sharpeners of that ilk (the carbide versions being the worst offenders) tend to leave a rough, almost torn-looking edge (on a microscopic scale) compared to sharpening with a stone or ceramic rod*. *It probably depends on the material your knife is made of, though, and it may be just fine for a $6 knife from Ikea (I have one, total garbage. I keep trying to get rid of it and my wife keeps bringing it back in the house. Did you mean to put this in the trash? I like it.. I use a Lansky diamond setup for sharpening, which is quick and repeatable. Not as quick as a few drags through that gizmo, but quick enough. There are a few similar sharpeners out there with ceramic stones, which seem to work well provided they're set at the angle you like. Andrew Portland, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Ram/Rom/Red 650b Conversions.
I got around to attempting wheel/brake swaps this evening, to try and fit 650b wheels on my Redwood. I used an old Alesa-rimmed wheelset that I rebuilt (28mm wide rims or so) and Tektro R365 brakes with Koolstop Thinline brake pads. And the conclusion. It works! No brake slot filing required at all! I angled the Thinline pads slightly downward, though I'm not too sure that's necessary, I was just being very conscious of the angles needed. Quick ride around the neighborhood proved the handling isn't really changed. There's absolutely room for 42mm tires and fenders, and pretty sure 650b Rock n Roads would be viable as well. Kicking myself for selling a pair I had. I really wanted this to work as I've been missing having a quick 650b road bike. Very glad it worked. Photos after I get a real ride in. David Chicago On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote: After pondering how to get a decent 650b road bike built up to ride, the most obvious solution evaded me all week until last night I realized I should convert my Redwood to 650b and try and fit 42mm tires and fenders. I think what's kept me from doing this is the 77mm drop, though I did just fine with a Trek conversion with 72mm drop and traditional pedals. If I run VP-001s (Thin Gripsters) that's basically makes up for the difference in drop and eases concerns about pedal strike. I've checked archives here and there was at least a couple conversions of a Ram. I have long reach Tektros, Koolstop thinline brakes, and have no issue filing brake slots if need be. I believe I have all the necessary parts needed and it really (hopefully!) will just be an easy swap of brakes and wheels. Anyone else converted a Rambouillet/Romulus/Redwood to 650b? Impressions? Advice? David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6
Neil, it looks like I can make it. I'll also be on my Sam. Are you, or anybody else, familiar with the route? There isn't much information on the website. My concern is with what they call gravel. I'm currently running 33mm tires and Longboard fenders. Do you think this will be a problem? Matt On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:07:11 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote: Any other Riv-ish folks up for this? Looks like fun, I plan on riding my Sam. Flat ride, hope the wind isn't too brutal. http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/june-6-2015/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
Ron, Thanks for the list. I use and like the WCS bars on one bike and noodles on another, so I must be on the right track. :) Jason On Jun 1, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason if you look at bars like Ritchey WCS - the reach measures the same as noodles - but they are much flatter than noodles. Deda Newtons are equivalently long and flatter. Modolo X-boost is longer. My favorite drops are compact - Cinelli 64 On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:18:49 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote: Ron, It has been my experience that modern bars have the shortest and most steep ramps. Even in the page you referenced the author mentions that ramps shrank as a response to integrated shift/brake levers. Was there a specific bar you had in mind when you said that? I really enjoy both flat ramps and ergo drops so I am interested in a model I may have overlooked. Jayme, while randonneur bars do have more flare, they also tend to have curved tops that bend on a different plane than the noodles - they bump up rather than sweep back. I find the shape rather uncomfortable. YMMV Jason On Jun 1, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote: Rando bar has more flare, Maes bar has more reach, the longest flattest ramps are on modern ergo bars, but they typically have zero flare. You might want to look over this website: http://ruedatropical.com/2009/03/road-drop-bar-geometry/ On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 9:41:57 AM UTC-5, Jayme Frye wrote: Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps and more flair at the drops? Jayme -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza
That first muddy section was anything but fun and I just about called it quits, but I was inspired by the people I helped and who helped me. My shoulders and back are still sore. The rest of my journey turned out great. Because I didn't have to worry about hitting a checkpoint on time, I was able to get some great pictures and take in the beauty and remoteness of the Flint Hills. I rode about 20 miles with a father and his two adults sons. It was the father's dream to get his sons together to experience this ride and they seemed to be having the time of their lives. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Ram/Rom/Red 650b Conversions.
Great news, David! I wouldn't love my Riv Road so much if I hadn't converted it to 650b; 700x27 is too limiting for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6
And here I thought meet your maker had something to do with the difficulty factor. Nope. This explains it: http://meetyourmakertour.com/about/ On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 10:04:48 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: I don't like the name of the event but -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer
There were a ton of the NFE on the Oregon Outback and I have to admit I was envious. Many were setup just like I had my Atlantis - front panniers, rando boxy bag, and a saddle bag. They can fit 2.35 knobbies, or 42 slicks with fenders. On the wet descents with the loaded bike, I definitely wanted their disc brakes. I have Paul touring canti's with kool stop salmon and they were all but useless when we got up to 70km/h with wet rims. The finish on them is very good, and they're very light. I'm actually planning on buying one next season, but keeping the Atlantis for the real heavy lifting. On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Hudson Doerge wrote: I absolutely love my first batch NFE. The tubing is perfect for my weight, uses, and riding style. The fork is more supple than my previous rawland rsogn and my simpleone, but all things aren't equal so it's pretty hard to say with certainty. As I understand it, it's possible to make a supple disc fork, but very difficult in a production setting. Glen had special mounts machined locally to keep the fork as compliant as possible. All I really know is that the bike rides wonderfully and was a killer value for a domestically made frame. Highly recommend. Hudson in atx. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] loaded handling question
I bet it is your front rack and basket. The little front racks are a lot more wobbly than you think. Grab your basket on each side and with the wheel between your knees, rock each side up and down, and back and forth (yaw). Really flexy isn't it? That motion is introduced into your forks and frame with steering corrections and bumps. Harmonic feed back keeps it goingThe unequal weight in the back would add to it. I don't think those racks were made for baskets full of stuff, rather a stuff sack with a sleeping bag or a supporting the bottom of a stem/bar supported Randonneur bag. The shimmy on my Atlantis went away, finally, when I took off my Tubus low rider rack, Nitto M-12 mini-rack and replaced them with a Nitto Big Rack. I love my Atlantis and wouldn't give it up for a stiffer bike, ever. I just had to figure out the shimmy, and I did, for MY bike. Good luck! Claytonious Q On Monday, June 1, 2015 1:03 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote: Loaded handling question Pun intended? ;)On May 28, 2015 11:07 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Last week on a S240, had a great time (except for that one incident) but the problem was really, really bad shimmy/wobble. So bad I really couldn't take my hands off even for a bit at any speed. Rear loaded, with a little bit up front (sleeping bag). Pannier on one side only but not a ton of weight in there. Heaviest thing was probably the tent, packed up high. So what am I packing wrong? I don't want to get a whole new luggage system, nor a new bike, just want to work with what I've got and what you can see here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/17795666300/in/photostream/lightbox/ Suggestions? Want to get it so I'm stable and can ride hands free, at least at lower 10mph speeds. Possible, or just the wrong bike for it? Intermediate Riv tubing, OS downtube, nothing super light, nor super stout, basically like a Hilsen I would guess. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/TdDx6oGiy-Y/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6
Yes, definitely flat, but 50 miles of deep, loose gravel on top of a Sacramento River levee would be a challenge on 33mm tires. I'm sure that won't be the case but it never hurts to ask. On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 8:14:34 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote: No idea about the route, but '50 miles in the Delta' has gotta mean 'flat'. I think 33s would be more than adequate. On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:31:26 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: Neil, it looks like I can make it. I'll also be on my Sam. Are you, or anybody else, familiar with the route? There isn't much information on the website. My concern is with what they call gravel. I'm currently running 33mm tires and Longboard fenders. Do you think this will be a problem? Matt On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:07:11 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote: Any other Riv-ish folks up for this? Looks like fun, I plan on riding my Sam. Flat ride, hope the wind isn't too brutal. http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/june-6-2015/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars
I would like to offer an alternative view to the rando bar love fest. I tried some 48 cm VO rando bars on my tandem and I hated them. The ramps are much narrower than the drops and that is useless for someone like me who's large and really needs to have a wide hand position at all times. On Jun 1, 2015 9:42 AM, Jayme Frye jayme.f...@gmail.com wrote: Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps and more flair at the drops? Jayme -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6
I'll be there on either the QB or Atlantis. Or maybe the Homer or Bomba. Decisions ... :) 3 Amit -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6
No idea about the route, but '50 miles in the Delta' has gotta mean 'flat'. I think 33s would be more than adequate. On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:31:26 PM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: Neil, it looks like I can make it. I'll also be on my Sam. Are you, or anybody else, familiar with the route? There isn't much information on the website. My concern is with what they call gravel. I'm currently running 33mm tires and Longboard fenders. Do you think this will be a problem? Matt On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:07:11 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote: Any other Riv-ish folks up for this? Looks like fun, I plan on riding my Sam. Flat ride, hope the wind isn't too brutal. http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/june-6-2015/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: replacement for an Irish strap?
Yup. Irish Straps are made by Arno. They are available everywhere. However, the very sweet striped pattern seems to be only available at Riv. I've looked all over when I was in your situation. In the end, I just waited till my next Riv order and bought a bunch of them. On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:46:36 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote: I think Arno straps are what you're looking for and probably readily available at your nearest REI. They're longer than the Riv Irish strap but the buckle and strap width are identical enough. http://www.rei.com/product/833518/coghlans-arno-straps On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:22:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: I need a few Irish Straps. $8 is a bit pricey, but I love how they look, so I'm usually happy to spring for them. Turns out Riv is out of them for now. A couple years back I was in the lame camping aisle at my Ace Hardware. They had a Coleman brand tie-down strap that had the identical buckle to an Irish strap. It was totally the same thing, and it was $4 for a pair. I bought a pair on a whim and have used those black Coleman straps and Irish straps side-by-side and interchangeably. Now, the tie-down strap that Coleman sells is a lame chinese plastic buckle thing and is just not an acceptable replacement for the Irish Strap. Is there a suitable replacement for an Irish strap? Same length and width, same metal spring-loaded buckle? Or should I wait a few more weeks for Riv to have the real deal? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: replacement for an Irish strap?
Arno strap it is! I'll decide if I can wait, or buy a couple from REI. Thanks! On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:46:36 PM UTC-7, john muhl wrote: I think Arno straps are what you're looking for and probably readily available at your nearest REI. They're longer than the Riv Irish strap but the buckle and strap width are identical enough. http://www.rei.com/product/833518/coghlans-arno-straps On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:22:49 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: I need a few Irish Straps. $8 is a bit pricey, but I love how they look, so I'm usually happy to spring for them. Turns out Riv is out of them for now. A couple years back I was in the lame camping aisle at my Ace Hardware. They had a Coleman brand tie-down strap that had the identical buckle to an Irish strap. It was totally the same thing, and it was $4 for a pair. I bought a pair on a whim and have used those black Coleman straps and Irish straps side-by-side and interchangeably. Now, the tie-down strap that Coleman sells is a lame chinese plastic buckle thing and is just not an acceptable replacement for the Irish Strap. Is there a suitable replacement for an Irish strap? Same length and width, same metal spring-loaded buckle? Or should I wait a few more weeks for Riv to have the real deal? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
