[RBW] Re: WTB large saddlesack

[bo richardson]

the one on ebay is at 68 with 9 hours left

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Re: [RBW] Let the Little Children Come Unto Me

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/19/2015 12:04 AM, Fred Craven wrote:

Of course this means becoming preoccupied with getting her assembled.


Take your time and be careful.  "Haste makes waste."

I was where you are back 40 years ago, when I returned home at 2 am from 
JFK airport with my new child-adapted tandem.  Couldn't wait to get it 
put together (even though it had only been partially disassembled for 
boxing and shipment) and was in such a hurry to get the pedals on I 
cross-threaded one of them.  I found that out a month later on tour on 
Marthas Vineyard, when my left pedal all of a sudden went all wobbly on 
me


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Re: [RBW] Re: Good Error Resolution from Alex's Cycle in Japan

[Ron Mc]

I buy my tires and my tubes (Schwalbe and latex) in bulk from Wiggle or 
whichever UK bike shop has the best deal going.  

On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 8:51:47 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yep, buy Japanese stuff from Japanese retailers, German stuff from the 
> Germans. 
> Deduct the importer's markup, the NA distributor's, and the US retailer's. 
> Schwalbe tires are nearly 50% less expensive when purchased direct from 
> Germany. I think Schmidt hubs are the same.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Ron Mc > 
> wrote:
>
>> cuz they buy them locally.  The only Nitto item I found an equivalent 
>> price in the US was the R12 rear bag support.  
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>
>> the Ostrich bag was $58 v. $140 ifrom US suppliers.  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 5:41:17 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> What?!?!? Some of their prices are like wayy cheaper than what 
>>> stuff costs in the US.
>>>
>>> I wonder how they can sell Pearl stems for only 60-something bucks.
>>> Maybe no import fees, like a USA vender has?
>>>
>>> Sometimes I wonder if places that sell stuff for so cheap are selling 
>>> off manufacturer's seconds. Not saying Alex's is doing that. Just saying 
>>> that the thought crosses my mind when I see a vendor with cheap prices on 
>>> so many things.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Contemplating a new saddle

[Buck]

Thanks for all the comments. I was thinking about the question, "Was the 
saddle ever comfortable?" Interesting question. I think when I first got 
the saddle it wasn't comfortable, which is exactly what I expected, because 
I'd often read that Brooks saddles aren't comfortable until they're broken 
in. I remember riding and asking myself, "Is it broken in yet? Is it broken 
in yet?" So I'm not sure it was ever what I would call comfortable. I had 
been so used to high quality padded seats which are-what-they-are the day 
you bolt them on. What reminded me of this is Jim's comment about the WTB 
seat. When I bought my Atlantis I stole a few parts from my Stumpjumper 
which had a WTB seat that I loved. (Sidebar: I tried selling my Stumpjumper 
as is and no one would give me more that $600. I parted it out and got 
$1200, which is what I paid for it and managed to even keep a few parts for 
the Atlantis. Go figure.) When I built up the Atlantis I put the WTB seat 
on it. I have shellacked bars and hammered Honjos and a saddle bag and the 
WTB looked kind of goofy. So I went with the Brooks which looks 
spectacular. But ouch.

Crazy idea (maybe someone already does this): Leveraging the Rivet idea. 
How about a bike shop that rents out expensive seats for $30/mo. which can 
applied to the purchase. The Berthoud seat looks really cool, but I can't 
come to grips with spending $200 and finding out that gee, it hurts as much 
as the Brooks. But I would spend $30 to ride it for a month to figure it 
out. 

On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 11:33:21 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:
>
> One of my favorite saddles is a B17 that got sent to Selle Anatomica, and 
> came back with a cutout and some extra leather reinforcement. If perineal 
> pressure is an issue, I'd suggest that route before trying different 
> saddles, though I'm also happy with the newer SA clydesdale saddle and with 
> a Rivet Diablo. Also a Specialized Alien and WTB Rocket, but those won't 
> look as good on an Atlantis.
>
> jim m
> wc ca 
>
> On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 11:24:32 AM UTC-7, Buck wrote:
>>
>> I spent some time reviewing old posts, but was wondering what folks 
>> currently think.
>>
>> I have a rather unconventional problem. While most people think a Brooks 
>> saddle is the ultimate comfort ride, I have a (beautiful) honey colored 
>> Brooks that is (sadly) a pain in my arse. It's several years old and broken 
>> in. I have ridden it since the bike was new. I have an Atlantis with 
>> touring wheels/tires, drop bars and racks, etc. I've reached the point in 
>> life where no one wants to see me in spandex. I have platform pedals and 
>> ride in sneakers. There is no particular smoking gun. It's not that my soft 
>> tissue goes to sleep. The saddle is just not so comfy for me.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm thinking about trying an alternative to the Brooks. A friend 
>> recommended a Selle touring saddle. I'm vain enough that I want the saddle 
>> to look good on the Atlantis and also not to have it look like a La-Z-Boy. 
>> Does anyone have thoughts on a comfy touring seat for rides that are mostly 
>> a couple of hours long?
>>
>> Thanks. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Good Error Resolution from Alex's Cycle in Japan

[Garth]

I'll add to the sentiment  . .. .  buying Local need not mean your 
physical home anymore .  I consider buying Like country manufactured stuff 
from Like country Local .  In fact as I have no physical source anywhere 
near my home for such things , having them sent in the mail is far more 
efficient than driving a car an hour or more each way to a random location 
where I would never go otherwise. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating a new saddle

[Steve Palincsar]

If a Rivet looks possible, they have a try-it-out program that costs $25 
to enroll in.  They send you a saddle, you try it and if you like it you 
negotiate a price and the $25 applies towards the price; if you don't 
you send it back and try a different model.  You can keep the saddle 
while you test it for at least several weeks.


Also, Wallbike has a 6 month unconditional guarantee on Brooks and 
Berthoud saddles. 
http://www.wallbike.com/catalog/saddles/berthoud-leatherline-saddles


On 08/19/2015 08:48 AM, Buck wrote:
Thanks for all the comments. I was thinking about the question, "Was 
the saddle ever comfortable?" Interesting question. I think when I 
first got the saddle it wasn't comfortable, which is exactly what I 
expected, because I'd often read that Brooks saddles aren't 
comfortable until they're broken in. I remember riding and asking 
myself, "Is it broken in yet? Is it broken in yet?" So I'm not sure it 
was ever what I would call comfortable. I had been so used to high 
quality padded seats which are-what-they-are the day you bolt them on. 
What reminded me of this is Jim's comment about the WTB seat. When I 
bought my Atlantis I stole a few parts from my Stumpjumper which had a 
WTB seat that I loved. (Sidebar: I tried selling my Stumpjumper as is 
and no one would give me more that $600. I parted it out and got 
$1200, which is what I paid for it and managed to even keep a few 
parts for the Atlantis. Go figure.) When I built up the Atlantis I put 
the WTB seat on it. I have shellacked bars and hammered Honjos and a 
saddle bag and the WTB looked kind of goofy. So I went with the Brooks 
which looks spectacular. But ouch.


Crazy idea (maybe someone already does this): Leveraging the Rivet 
idea. How about a bike shop that rents out expensive seats for $30/mo. 
which can applied to the purchase. The Berthoud seat looks really 
cool, but I can't come to grips with spending $200 and finding out 
that gee, it hurts as much as the Brooks. But I would spend $30 to 
ride it for a month to figure it out.


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[RBW] Re: FS: Suntour Cylcone used LR brakes, sorry I forgot these

[Joel Stern]

Seems  the link is not working, sorry, will try again

http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/jrstern11/library/Suntour%20brakes%20again?sort=3&page=1

On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 9:33:48 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> they are in perfect shape, some wear, but little, here is a link
>
>
> http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/jrstern11/library/Suntour%20Cyclone%20Long%20Reach%20brakes?sort=3&page=1
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> Asking $50 shipped, paypal gift
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[RBW] Re: [Bulk] [BOB] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST ratchet thumbshifters

[true]

Looks similar to this one except for the bars.

This fellow has a high price tag on his.

http://budgetbicyclectr.com/1983-jamis-dakota-mountain-bicycle-20.html

Love the look of the brazing.

Reminds me of my broken Schwinn Cimarron.

My mid 80's Peugeot MTB had the bottom of chainstay mounted Cunningham brakes
and I switched to these Tektro's on the rear and am pleased with how well they 
work.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEKTRO-BLACK-CALIPER-BRAKE-FOR-BEACH-CRUISERS-26-FRONT-WHEEL-79-99MM-REACH-/191548783421

I do have to install wheel with 26 x 2.3 tire deflated but I don't find that to 
be any big deal.
These fat tires rarely flat in my riding.

Paul in Dallas
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patrick Moore 
  To: internet-bob ; rbw-owners-bunch 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:08 PM
  Subject: [Bulk] [BOB] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST 
ratchet thumbshifters


  Oh and dump the saddle and rack.


  On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

I forgot (of course) to add: the deal involves a 3-way cockpit swap, but 
basically, my Dakota, pictured broadside, would receive the nice Bullmoose and 
shifters in the 2nd photo.


So picture the bike broadside with Bullmoose and hi-kwal shifters, not the 
plasticky things.



Dn Patrick: I see this bike, or the Cannondale, as a perfect, 
cheap-but-nice beater to ride such routes as the Rampart Reservoir trail.


On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

  ... and Cunningham whatchamacallit brakes. Fillet brazed! Braze-ons for 
portage strap! and more modern WTB tires. Biopace crankset, "Deershead" 
derailleurs, 6 speed fw.


  All in very good condition. Local acquaintance will give it me for $120. 
Bearings all feel good, and it is my size.


  My intent is to use it for real, but not hugely "gnarley," singletrack -- 
it, beside a wee bit of nostalgia, it will be a user, for those 2-4 times/year 
that I actually ride singletrack.


  Said acquaintance is also selling an '80s Cannondale "something STIX" 
with toute XT 8 speed, also vg, but perhaps, if pressured, $160.


  My feelings tend toward the Dakota; my experience of so very many money 
losing bike projects -- trying to turn the proverbial sows ear into a silk 
purse -- makes me think that the '80s vintage might be more realistic.


  The Dakota feels good when I ride it; tho' it has long stays, I don't 
think it is the barge-like, early '80s design, a couple of samples of which 
I've also owned (and disliked).


  Thoughts?


  Tx.


  PS: Stevie, observing, tells me that the Dakota could fetch $350 if all 
stars aligned.






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[RBW] FS: Suntour Ratchet shifters with metal housings, Sun CR 18 wheel, the last of my purge

[Joel Stern]

Shifters sold. 

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[RBW] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST ratchet thumbshifters

[KC]

a little off topic (sorry) but I am looking for something like this that 
would fit me (just under 5'3").  There are a lot of rugged trails where I 
live and I recently tried to ride one on my Cheviot with 42" hetres.  
Thought I was going to die.  My husband did much better on a mountain bike 
set up with proper tires (and shocks).  If anyone spots a good deal on 
something like this to bring to my attention that would be great.  It's a 
test for me so I don't want to spend a lot of money.  I'm in Inland Empire, 
frequently in Orange County and headed to Oceanside (so San Diego area) for 
a stay in a couple of weeks.  Any of these area are perfect.  Thanks for 
any input.


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Re: [RBW] Let the Little Children Come Unto Me

[Fred Craven]

Great point Steve. As it is, I was able to get the parts in position, 
but...I forgot about grease, so yeah.

Also I didn't want to attempt to install my breaks while I was 
tired/excited. Had I done that I probably would have cut some cable too 
short. So, today I will get grease, re-thread everything and work on the 
brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Contemplating a new saddle

[Philip Williamson]

Spend that $30 on a Brooks saddle cover for the WTB?
If you changed your bar tape to gray or black "modern" cushioned tape and 
deleted the twine, the WTB saddle would probably look fine as is. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: WTT/WTB: VO Touring pedlas and VO Half Clips

[Brian Campbell]

Got the pedals locally. Thanks all.

On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
>  I wanted to try the VO touring pedals with some VO half clips if anybody 
> has either to trade or sell. Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST ratchet thumbshifters

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the comments. My brother, who has a vast experience of old
bikes, road and offroad, told me that the Dakota won't handle the way I
want it to -- I really want a very early '90s NORBA-type bike -- and that
it would just turn into "one more problem" -- ie, become a source of
dissatisfaction; so I'll pass. That the joints are tig'd under the fillets
makes this easier.

I'll hold out for:

A MB-1
A 1991 or so Stumpjumper Team
A 1990 or so Diamond Back Axis Team
A rigid Merlin or Litespeed

Oh well, the momentary excitement brought a weak glimmer of sunshine into
my dark and brooding day. (Sob.)

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[RBW] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST ratchet thumbshifters

[David Banzer]

It seems like a cool bike to have in an N+1 bike fleet, but if you intend 
to log serious time on it and the geometry doesn't seem to work for you, 
then passing is a wise decision. You are much wiser than I am when it comes 
to buying bikes.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 10:57:02 AM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the comments. My brother, who has a vast experience of old 
> bikes, road and offroad, told me that the Dakota won't handle the way I 
> want it to -- I really want a very early '90s NORBA-type bike -- and that 
> it would just turn into "one more problem" -- ie, become a source of 
> dissatisfaction; so I'll pass. That the joints are tig'd under the fillets 
> makes this easier.
>
> I'll hold out for:
>
> A MB-1
> A 1991 or so Stumpjumper Team
> A 1990 or so Diamond Back Axis Team
> A rigid Merlin or Litespeed
>
> Oh well, the momentary excitement brought a weak glimmer of sunshine into 
> my dark and brooding day. (Sob.)
>

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[RBW] Re: Contemplating a new saddle

[John Phillips]

If this is a dumb question, I apologize, but which tires do you have on the 
Atlantis, and what tire pressures do you ride on?

I was just wondering how much road vibration was maybe an issue with your 
Brooks saddle?

I ride on a Berthoud Mente saddle, upright with Albatross bars, but with 
Barlow Pass tires this effing hard saddle is like riding on a cloud.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST ratchet thumbshifters

[Patrick Moore]

David: Such wisdom only comes from hard and expensive experience! How many
times have I tried to make something into something it was never meant to
be!

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:38 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

> It seems like a cool bike to have in an N+1 bike fleet, but if you intend
> to log serious time on it and the geometry doesn't seem to work for you,
> then passing is a wise decision. You are much wiser than I am when it comes
> to buying bikes.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 10:57:02 AM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the comments. My brother, who has a vast experience of old
>> bikes, road and offroad, told me that the Dakota won't handle the way I
>> want it to -- I really want a very early '90s NORBA-type bike -- and that
>> it would just turn into "one more problem" -- ie, become a source of
>> dissatisfaction; so I'll pass. That the joints are tig'd under the fillets
>> makes this easier.
>>
>> I'll hold out for:
>>
>> A MB-1
>> A 1991 or so Stumpjumper Team
>> A 1990 or so Diamond Back Axis Team
>> A rigid Merlin or Litespeed
>>
>> Oh well, the momentary excitement brought a weak glimmer of sunshine into
>> my dark and brooding day. (Sob.)
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Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

[Hugh Smitham]

Doug,

It has me really looking at all online platforms, what I've noticed is that
they all have extensive user agreements (written obviously by lawyers) that
remove them from having any liability whatsoever. You can't use a site
unless you sign the user agreement. In this whole mess I accept that I was
pretty stupid/naive and I was ripe for the picking. I was really excited to
sell the camera and move on so there is/was my blind spot. From here on out
what you've detailed will be my method. In fact, I'm now looking at how I
purchase things, really scrutinizing whether I need something and will I be
needing to sell it in the near future?

~Hugh

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On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 7:30 PM, dougP  wrote:

> "PayPal claiming it's a hazard of doing business"
>
> So much for the supposed security of electronic payment systems.  Hugh,
> your tale is instructive for us all.  When I see all the levels / parties /
> etc involved in this transaction, I can see why it's attractive to
> scammers.  I'm with you on checks.  It must have a legitimate address plus
> you have the banking info.  Check clears, deal done.  No messing with 3rd /
> 4th parties, etc.  I've had people say "no checks, Paypal only" which seems
> shortsighted.  Wait for the check to clear, then ship the parts.  If it was
> an emergency I'd be at the LBS.  Often for stuff under $20 I'll just mail
> cash :& I've never had a problem.  The USPS is a lot more reliable than
> Paypal, IMHO.  So far USPS has a perfect record in my experience.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 12:37:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold too
>> much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I will
>> like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at your
>> own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting as to
>> who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
>> experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
>> receiving funds through PayPal.
>>
>> I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the auction
>> closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the camera to
>> an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my PayPal
>> account. They did but were pending as "un-verified buyer" after three days
>> it was changed to just "pending" I figured this normal as I needed to ship
>> the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a shipping label
>> and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address? They said maybe
>> it's a new development and not showing yet in our records? Here's my
>> biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled that the
>> buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home and
>> retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
>> contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
>> a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
>> and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
>> feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
>> All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
>> correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
>> credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!
>>
>> Here's where if you've ever watched the movie "Brazil" you can appreciate
>> the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed transaction
>> eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost count how
>> many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone left with
>> a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I figure
>> purposely) the most incompetent people at this point. Here's what I
>> garnered from all those conversations.
>>
>> 1. Don't worry if the credit card companies found in favor of the buyers
>> then no one would do business with the CC companies.
>> 2. A dispute like this can take up to 75 days.
>> 3. They PayPal gave the CC company the incorrect tracking number. So the
>> CC company obviously figured I was a scammer.
>> 4. We will give all the information you gave us to the CC company.
>> Basically, they PayPal are your advocate at this point between you and the
>> buyers CC company. Shaky at best.
>> 5. Since you didn't ship to the buyer's address we have on file all
>> PayPal seller protections are void.
>>
>> I finally received an email from PayPal that the CC company decided in
>> favor of the Buyer. At this point my PayPal account shows a negative
>> balance of $880 $20 of that is a charge back fee from PayPal. Next up I
>> started getting calls from PayPal! The person on the other end of this
>> conversation was cle

[RBW] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST ratchet thumbshifters

[drew]

i think the right thing to do would be to buy it and sell it to someone on 
the group for 120$ + shipping and let us/me make our/my own mistakes. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating a new saddle

[Ryan Fleming]

That's a good-looking saddle, Steve. Not sure the shape would work for me 
because I do like the shape of the B-17's
 
I have to say, I am not sure that Brooks saddles today have the leather 
quality they did several years ago. But I  assume that the spendier models 
have thicker leather. The last new Brooks saddles  I bought (2011 or so?) 
were a pair of Standards, 1 ladies model in black that I did not care much 
for, and a honey coloured one. If I recall correctly at the Riv site, the 
differences between the Standard and the Special  are purely 
cosmetic...kind of implying the  thickness of the leather is the same. When 
I compare the Standards to the Specials I bought for my Rivs (1 in 1998, 
the other in 2001) the Standard leather is skimpier. When I got my first 
peugeots in the early 70's they had Brooks Professional saddles and those 
buggers were tough as old boots. the 3rd peugeot I  bought in the early 
80's had an Ideale 90 or 91 leather saddle equivalent to the Pro and I'm 
still riding that saddle and it's in great shape with about 35 years of 
kinda benign neglect. When I rode a lot in the early 70's and 80's I never 
covered those saddles and I didn't worry about it. When I had my 3rd 
peugeot stored in my apt underneath an open windoe, I noticed the Ideale 
looked a tad dry ...so having a 2-year old son at the timewhat did I 
use? ...Good old Vaseline petroleum jelly. 
 
But now we're advised to use a saddle cover, even when it's not raining, 
and I hear a lot about saggingand maybe this is another canary in the 
coal mine in these environmentally challenged times. Just my 2 cents
On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 2:31:10 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

> On 08/18/2015 03:15 PM, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Like Buck, it has nothing to do with numbness , everything to do with 
> quite simply, *cushioning of the sit bones *of some sort and one's 
> personal experience of what "comfortable" is .  On leather saddles, I 
> literally sit on the rivets . Ouch .  I tried them extensively and ended up 
> even quiting cycling for a while it hurt so much . 
>
>
> Not all leather saddles are constructed the same.  There's not much 
> likelihood you'd be "sitting on the rivets" with one of these:
>
>
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: 1980s Jamis Dakota: $120 with Bullmoose and nice ST ratchet thumbshifters

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be happy to arrange a sale and shipping, for this and other bikes,
buyer pays all costs including packing and Stevie's commission. The seller
has 2 of these; this one is about a 19", the other must be a 22" or so.
Only 1 has Bullmoose bar. The $120 price involved a personal discount that
I can't honorably pass on.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, drew  wrote:

> i think the right thing to do would be to buy it and sell it to someone on
> the group for 120$ + shipping and let us/me make our/my own mistakes.
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[RBW] Will Phil Wood hub bolts keep a fixed gear rear wheel in place?

[Patrick Moore]

Will they torque down tight enough to keep a rear wheel from skewing? They
look pretty small. Are they meant only for vertical dropouts?

I just got some nice Campy skewers, but the minimalist itch has been
bothering me.

The Elk Pass tires continue to surprise and please.

Patrick Moore, who took a brief (13.5 mile) ride today on the gofast to
test his recovery from the recent cold in suddenly more temperate ABQ, NM.
Prognosis: positive, but I must take it easy.

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[RBW] Re: Will Phil Wood hub bolts keep a fixed gear rear wheel in place?

[Deacon Patrick]

Call Phil to be sure, but mine on my QB have held fine for SS and I don't 
ogre tighten them.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 1:29:15 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Will they torque down tight enough to keep a rear wheel from skewing? They 
> look pretty small. Are they meant only for vertical dropouts?
>
> I just got some nice Campy skewers, but the minimalist itch has been 
> bothering me.
>
> The Elk Pass tires continue to surprise and please.
>
> Patrick Moore, who took a brief (13.5 mile) ride today on the gofast to 
> test his recovery from the recent cold in suddenly more temperate ABQ, NM. 
> Prognosis: positive, but I must take it easy. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will Phil Wood hub bolts keep a fixed gear rear wheel in place?

[Patrick Moore]

... and you obviously put out a lot more torque than I do!

Worth a purchase. Will double check with Phil.

Thanks.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Call Phil to be sure, but mine on my QB have held fine for SS and I don't
> ogre tighten them.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 1:29:15 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Will they torque down tight enough to keep a rear wheel from skewing?
>> They look pretty small. Are they meant only for vertical dropouts?
>>
>> I just got some nice Campy skewers, but the minimalist itch has been
>> bothering me.
>>
>> The Elk Pass tires continue to surprise and please.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who took a brief (13.5 mile) ride today on the gofast to
>> test his recovery from the recent cold in suddenly more temperate ABQ, NM.
>> Prognosis: positive, but I must take it easy.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will Phil Wood hub bolts keep a fixed gear rear wheel in place?

[David Hallerman]

Same for me on my Gunnar StreetDog.

I've had Phil track hubs on that single-speed for 15 years now, I don't 
ogre (love the word in this context!) tighten them either, although I 
tighten them firmly.


And they've held fine.

You are talking the rear hubs that have 6mm hex head bolts, yes?

Dave, who says the front Phil hub on his Dog takes a regular skewer

On 8/19/15 3:31 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Call Phil to be sure, but mine on my QB have held fine for SS and I 
don't ogre tighten them.


With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 1:29:15 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

Will they torque down tight enough to keep a rear wheel from
skewing? They look pretty small. Are they meant only for vertical
dropouts?

I just got some nice Campy skewers, but the minimalist itch has
been bothering me.

The Elk Pass tires continue to surprise and please.

Patrick Moore, who took a brief (13.5 mile) ride today on the
gofast to test his recovery from the recent cold in suddenly more
temperate ABQ, NM. Prognosis: positive, but I must take it easy.

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[RBW] Re: Will Phil Wood hub bolts keep a fixed gear rear wheel in place?

[Bill Lindsay]

The most common applications for bolt on Phil Hubs are BMX and trackbikes 
which both, almost by definition, have horizontal dropouts.  

I don't remember the exact layout of your dropouts, so I will just throw 
out there that the only bike that I ever had a serious slipping problem had 
extremely high end CHROMED horizontal dropouts.  It was like glass and hard 
as diamond.  I had to tighten the QR absurdly tight to get anything to 
hold.  Perhaps that is not germane to your application.

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 12:29:15 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Will they torque down tight enough to keep a rear wheel from skewing? They 
> look pretty small. Are they meant only for vertical dropouts?
>
> I just got some nice Campy skewers, but the minimalist itch has been 
> bothering me.
>
> The Elk Pass tires continue to surprise and please.
>
> Patrick Moore, who took a brief (13.5 mile) ride today on the gofast to 
> test his recovery from the recent cold in suddenly more temperate ABQ, NM. 
> Prognosis: positive, but I must take it easy. 
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Will Phil Wood hub bolts keep a fixed gear rear wheel in place?

[Mark Reimer]

I use SS Phil hubs on my Surly steamroller and custom titanium CX bike. 
Both have horizontal track ends. Both have held perfectly for years after 
much abuse. I've had QR's slip on those same frames, but never the bolts. 

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 2:40:34 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The most common applications for bolt on Phil Hubs are BMX and trackbikes 
> which both, almost by definition, have horizontal dropouts.  
>
> I don't remember the exact layout of your dropouts, so I will just throw 
> out there that the only bike that I ever had a serious slipping problem had 
> extremely high end CHROMED horizontal dropouts.  It was like glass and hard 
> as diamond.  I had to tighten the QR absurdly tight to get anything to 
> hold.  Perhaps that is not germane to your application.
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 12:29:15 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Will they torque down tight enough to keep a rear wheel from skewing? 
>> They look pretty small. Are they meant only for vertical dropouts?
>>
>> I just got some nice Campy skewers, but the minimalist itch has been 
>> bothering me.
>>
>> The Elk Pass tires continue to surprise and please.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who took a brief (13.5 mile) ride today on the gofast to 
>> test his recovery from the recent cold in suddenly more temperate ABQ, NM. 
>> Prognosis: positive, but I must take it easy. 
>>
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>>
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>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
>> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
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>>
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[RBW] no more Synergies?

[Leslie]

Was just poking around the Velocity website (doing a rim comparison), and 
noticed that I'm not seeing the Synergy listed...

Have they discontinued it?  Has anyone heard?


(I haven't had problems with my Synergies, but like my A23 and Dyads 
better, and will probably stick w/ those two rims in the future anyway, 
but, thought it interesting that the Synergy wasn't showing up)


-L

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[RBW] Re: no more Synergies?

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I called Velocity awhile back looking for black 650b synergy rims (which 
used to be listed on the site) and they told me that the Synergy rims were 
being discontinued.

 - Frank


On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 4:45:36 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>
> Was just poking around the Velocity website (doing a rim comparison), and 
> noticed that I'm not seeing the Synergy listed...
>
> Have they discontinued it?  Has anyone heard?
>
>
> (I haven't had problems with my Synergies, but like my A23 and Dyads 
> better, and will probably stick w/ those two rims in the future anyway, 
> but, thought it interesting that the Synergy wasn't showing up)
>
>
> -L
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

[Jim Bronson]

Until very recently PayPal was *owned* by eBay.  FWIW...

Curious what the credit card company's reason was, I guess PayPal did not
tell you that?  Seems like it would almost be better to *not* use PayPal
and get some other credit card clearing service that gave you more of a
voice in the process.  I know there are credit card processing services out
there, I wonder if there is some minimum transaction amount.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:37 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold too
> much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I will
> like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at your
> own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting as to
> who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
> experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
> receiving funds through PayPal.
>
> I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the auction
> closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the camera to
> an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my PayPal
> account. They did but were pending as "un-verified buyer" after three days
> it was changed to just "pending" I figured this normal as I needed to ship
> the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a shipping label
> and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address? They said maybe
> it's a new development and not showing yet in our records? Here's my
> biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled that the
> buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home and
> retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
> contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
> a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
> and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
> feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
> All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
> correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
> credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!
>
> Here's where if you've ever watched the movie "Brazil" you can appreciate
> the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed transaction
> eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost count how
> many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone left with
> a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I figure
> purposely) the most incompetent people at this point. Here's what I
> garnered from all those conversations.
>
> 1. Don't worry if the credit card companies found in favor of the buyers
> then no one would do business with the CC companies.
> 2. A dispute like this can take up to 75 days.
> 3. They PayPal gave the CC company the incorrect tracking number. So the
> CC company obviously figured I was a scammer.
> 4. We will give all the information you gave us to the CC company.
> Basically, they PayPal are your advocate at this point between you and the
> buyers CC company. Shaky at best.
> 5. Since you didn't ship to the buyer's address we have on file all PayPal
> seller protections are void.
>
> I finally received an email from PayPal that the CC company decided in
> favor of the Buyer. At this point my PayPal account shows a negative
> balance of $880 $20 of that is a charge back fee from PayPal. Next up I
> started getting calls from PayPal! The person on the other end of this
> conversation was clearly competent. From that conversation I was told that
> seven days after a chargeback PayPal requires you settle your account with
> them and if you don't your account will be sent to a collections agency. At
> this point you may ask well you've got options. Right?
>
> Since eBay discards all records of transactions after 60 days I can't
> communicate with the buyer through them. Back in early June when this all
> happened I did send a eBay email to the buyer asking how we can resolve
> this, no reply. The email that PayPal has on file for the buyer is bogus.
> Both eBay and PayPal won't give any information about the buyer for privacy
> reasons. That competent PayPal representative said, "oh a lawyer can help
> you get access to the buyer's records". I contacted my local police and the
> detective said we can't help you this is a civil case and PayPal is the
> victim.
>
> Very important here is the PayPal user agreement. It states that you are
> responsible for any and all "chargebacks" period. In researching my options
> I found there are numerous scams perpetrated on the eBay platform and it's
> not necessarily a safe place to sell or buy things. Other sellers a lot
> more experienced than I have fallen victim to scams/thefts for way more
> money. In fact those merchants doing business on e

[RBW] Re: no more Synergies?

[David Banzer]

I think the A23 (same width) & Atlas (same style box construction) fit as 2 
better, distinct rims compared to the Synergy, and the Dyad as a happy 
medium between an A23 & Atlas. While I like supporting Riv & Rich, I wish 
Velocity could sell the 650b Dyad to all shops. My LBS can generally get me 
in-stock rims delivered next day.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:45:36 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:
>
> Was just poking around the Velocity website (doing a rim comparison), and 
> noticed that I'm not seeing the Synergy listed...
>
> Have they discontinued it?  Has anyone heard?
>
>
> (I haven't had problems with my Synergies, but like my A23 and Dyads 
> better, and will probably stick w/ those two rims in the future anyway, 
> but, thought it interesting that the Synergy wasn't showing up)
>
>
> -L
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: no more Synergies?

[Jim Bronson]

The Atlas is a lot heavier than the Synergy at 610gr, so not really a
direct replacement.  They do have a similar physical appearance though and
I have a bike in the stable that has a front Synergy and a back Atlas and
it's not noticeable unless you examine the rims closely.  I peeled off the
labels of both as to further obscure any differences in appearance.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:49 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> I think the A23 (same width) & Atlas (same style box construction) fit as
> 2 better, distinct rims compared to the Synergy, and the Dyad as a happy
> medium between an A23 & Atlas. While I like supporting Riv & Rich, I wish
> Velocity could sell the 650b Dyad to all shops. My LBS can generally get me
> in-stock rims delivered next day.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:45:36 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> Was just poking around the Velocity website (doing a rim comparison), and
>> noticed that I'm not seeing the Synergy listed...
>>
>> Have they discontinued it?  Has anyone heard?
>>
>>
>> (I haven't had problems with my Synergies, but like my A23 and Dyads
>> better, and will probably stick w/ those two rims in the future anyway,
>> but, thought it interesting that the Synergy wasn't showing up)
>>
>>
>> -L
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Jim,

On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:
>
> Until very recently PayPal was *owned* by eBay.  FWIW...
>
I was aware of that change.

> Curious what the credit card company's reason was, I guess PayPal did not
tell you that?

That's right, I was told only that the buyer opened a dispute "did not
authorize the purchase" other than that nothing zip!

Seems like it would almost be better to *not* use PayPal

Yes. I won't be using PayPal. I also won't be using another layer of
payment processing. If I sell something I will only accept a check or cash
and will not ship anything till my bank verify's funds are in my account.

and get some other credit card clearing service that gave you more of a
voice in the process.

I don't know of such a company?  If you know please share.

I know there are credit card processing services out there, I wonder if
there is some minimum transaction amount.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:37 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold too
much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I will
like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at your
own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting as to
who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
receiving funds through PayPal.
>>
>> I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the auction
closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the camera to
an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my PayPal
account. They did but were pending as "un-verified buyer" after three days
it was changed to just "pending" I figured this normal as I needed to ship
the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a shipping label
and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address? They said maybe
it's a new development and not showing yet in our records? Here's my
biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled that the
buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home and
retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!
>>
>> Here's where if you've ever watched the movie "Brazil" you can
appreciate the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed
transaction eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost
count how many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone
left with a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I
figure purposely) the most incompetent people at this point. Here's what I
garnered from all those conversations.
>>
>> 1. Don't worry if the credit card companies found in favor of the buyers
then no one would do business with the CC companies.
>> 2. A dispute like this can take up to 75 days.
>> 3. They PayPal gave the CC company the incorrect tracking number. So the
CC company obviously figured I was a scammer.
>> 4. We will give all the information you gave us to the CC company.
Basically, they PayPal are your advocate at this point between you and the
buyers CC company. Shaky at best.
>> 5. Since you didn't ship to the buyer's address we have on file all
PayPal seller protections are void.
>>
>> I finally received an email from PayPal that the CC company decided in
favor of the Buyer. At this point my PayPal account shows a negative
balance of $880 $20 of that is a charge back fee from PayPal. Next up I
started getting calls from PayPal! The person on the other end of this
conversation was clearly competent. From that conversation I was told that
seven days after a chargeback PayPal requires you settle your account with
them and if you don't your account will be sent to a collections agency. At
this point you may ask well you've got options. Right?
>>
>> Since eBay discards all records of transactions after 60 days I can't
communicate with the buyer through them. Back in early June when this all
happened I did send a eBay email to the buyer asking how we can resolve
this, no reply. The email that PayPal has on file for the buyer is bogus.
Both eBay and PayPal won't give any information about the buyer for privacy
reasons. That competent PayPal representative said, "oh a lawyer can help
you get access to the buyer's records". I contacted my local police and the
detective said we can't help you this is a c

[RBW] WTB/WTT 26inch tires. big ben/big apple ish

[drew]

building a bike for my mom. need something like the big ben, big apple or 
fat frank style. ie-big and tough. 26x2.1-2.3 
figured i'd ask if anyone has something lying around before dropping 60-80$ 
on a new set. 


i have 700x50 big apples (250-300 miles on them) that i can trade, as well 
as a few other random things. 

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[RBW] Re: no more Synergies?

[Lungimsam]

If anyone is interested, I might be willing to sell my 650b 
Synergy/Velocity hub front and rear wheelset that came stock on my Blue Sam 
from RBW. Comes with Shimano 8 speed cassette on it. Got the bike in 2013.


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Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

[Jim Bronson]

Well, if you are a member of a warehouse club like Costco or Sams there are
things like this:

https://www.costcopaymentprocessing.com/

I've never seriously looked into other services besides Paypal but your
tale of woe has me thinking about it.  1.38% + 19c per transaction is less
than PayPal's fees or Square's fees for mobile transaction processing.

So I called them...the minimum is more or less $1000 minimum in sales or
you get a $20 monthly fee and you have to have some sort of online
storefront where you own the domain.  Not so practical for the occasional
seller...

There's also services like Chase Pay where they do PayPal like processing
but that requires one party or the other to have a Chase bank account,
which I don't, but might consider if I sold stuff more regularly online.
But I think it only works with checking acounts:

https://www.chase.com/online/digital/quickpay.html



On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:
> >
> > Until very recently PayPal was *owned* by eBay.  FWIW...
> >
> I was aware of that change.
>
> > Curious what the credit card company's reason was, I guess PayPal did
> not tell you that?
>
> That's right, I was told only that the buyer opened a dispute "did not
> authorize the purchase" other than that nothing zip!
>
> Seems like it would almost be better to *not* use PayPal
>
> Yes. I won't be using PayPal. I also won't be using another layer of
> payment processing. If I sell something I will only accept a check or cash
> and will not ship anything till my bank verify's funds are in my account.
>
> and get some other credit card clearing service that gave you more of a
> voice in the process.
>
> I don't know of such a company?  If you know please share.
>
> I know there are credit card processing services out there, I wonder if
> there is some minimum transaction amount.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts,
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:37 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Bill,
> >>
> >> Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold too
> much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I will
> like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at your
> own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting as to
> who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
> experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
> receiving funds through PayPal.
> >>
> >> I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the auction
> closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the camera to
> an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my PayPal
> account. They did but were pending as "un-verified buyer" after three days
> it was changed to just "pending" I figured this normal as I needed to ship
> the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a shipping label
> and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address? They said maybe
> it's a new development and not showing yet in our records? Here's my
> biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled that the
> buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home and
> retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
> contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
> a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
> and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
> feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
> All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
> correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
> credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!
> >>
> >> Here's where if you've ever watched the movie "Brazil" you can
> appreciate the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed
> transaction eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost
> count how many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone
> left with a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I
> figure purposely) the most incompetent people at this point. Here's what I
> garnered from all those conversations.
> >>
> >> 1. Don't worry if the credit card companies found in favor of the
> buyers then no one would do business with the CC companies.
> >> 2. A dispute like this can take up to 75 days.
> >> 3. They PayPal gave the CC company the incorrect tracking number. So
> the CC company obviously figured I was a scammer.
> >> 4. We will give all the information you gave us to the CC company.
> Basically, they PayPal are your advocate at this point between you and the
> buyers CC company. Shaky at best.
> >> 5. Since you didn't ship to the buyer's address we have on file all
> PayPal seller protections are void.
> >>
> >> I finally r

Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

[Hugh Smitham]

Jim,

Thanks.

I don't plan on selling that often. For me a check will do just fine. If
that's a hassle for someone then they can pass on buying from me. Here on
out I'm simplifying and reducing my liability. I'm a super honest guy, but
I've been burned one too many times. Selling on this list-serve has always
been good and I plan on selling bike parts so hopefully folks will
understand.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Aug 19, 2015 3:33 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:

> Well, if you are a member of a warehouse club like Costco or Sams there
> are things like this:
>
> https://www.costcopaymentprocessing.com/
>
> I've never seriously looked into other services besides Paypal but your
> tale of woe has me thinking about it.  1.38% + 19c per transaction is less
> than PayPal's fees or Square's fees for mobile transaction processing.
>
> So I called them...the minimum is more or less $1000 minimum in sales or
> you get a $20 monthly fee and you have to have some sort of online
> storefront where you own the domain.  Not so practical for the occasional
> seller...
>
> There's also services like Chase Pay where they do PayPal like processing
> but that requires one party or the other to have a Chase bank account,
> which I don't, but might consider if I sold stuff more regularly online.
> But I think it only works with checking acounts:
>
> https://www.chase.com/online/digital/quickpay.html
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Until very recently PayPal was *owned* by eBay.  FWIW...
>> >
>> I was aware of that change.
>>
>> > Curious what the credit card company's reason was, I guess PayPal did
>> not tell you that?
>>
>> That's right, I was told only that the buyer opened a dispute "did not
>> authorize the purchase" other than that nothing zip!
>>
>> Seems like it would almost be better to *not* use PayPal
>>
>> Yes. I won't be using PayPal. I also won't be using another layer of
>> payment processing. If I sell something I will only accept a check or cash
>> and will not ship anything till my bank verify's funds are in my account.
>>
>> and get some other credit card clearing service that gave you more of a
>> voice in the process.
>>
>> I don't know of such a company?  If you know please share.
>>
>> I know there are credit card processing services out there, I wonder if
>> there is some minimum transaction amount.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:37 PM, hsmitham 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Bill,
>> >>
>> >> Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold too
>> much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I will
>> like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at your
>> own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting as to
>> who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
>> experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
>> receiving funds through PayPal.
>> >>
>> >> I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the auction
>> closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the camera to
>> an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my PayPal
>> account. They did but were pending as "un-verified buyer" after three days
>> it was changed to just "pending" I figured this normal as I needed to ship
>> the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a shipping label
>> and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address? They said maybe
>> it's a new development and not showing yet in our records? Here's my
>> biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled that the
>> buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home and
>> retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
>> contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
>> a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
>> and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
>> feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
>> All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
>> correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
>> credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!
>> >>
>> >> Here's where if you've ever watched the movie "Brazil" you can
>> appreciate the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed
>> transaction eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to PayPal. I lost
>> count how many times I called PayPal's customer service, hung up the phone
>> left with a level of frustration I've never felt before, they have( I
>> figure purposely) the most incompetent people at this point. Here's what I
>> garnered from all those conversations.
>> >>
>> >> 1. Don't worry if the credit card companies

Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

[Jim Bronson]

I agree with you Hugh, I have had very good experiences here for the most
part.  One time it took inordinately long to get a frame but it did show up
eventually.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I don't plan on selling that often. For me a check will do just fine. If
> that's a hassle for someone then they can pass on buying from me. Here on
> out I'm simplifying and reducing my liability. I'm a super honest guy, but
> I've been burned one too many times. Selling on this list-serve has always
> been good and I plan on selling bike parts so hopefully folks will
> understand.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Aug 19, 2015 3:33 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:
>
>> Well, if you are a member of a warehouse club like Costco or Sams there
>> are things like this:
>>
>> https://www.costcopaymentprocessing.com/
>>
>> I've never seriously looked into other services besides Paypal but your
>> tale of woe has me thinking about it.  1.38% + 19c per transaction is less
>> than PayPal's fees or Square's fees for mobile transaction processing.
>>
>> So I called them...the minimum is more or less $1000 minimum in sales or
>> you get a $20 monthly fee and you have to have some sort of online
>> storefront where you own the domain.  Not so practical for the occasional
>> seller...
>>
>> There's also services like Chase Pay where they do PayPal like processing
>> but that requires one party or the other to have a Chase bank account,
>> which I don't, but might consider if I sold stuff more regularly online.
>> But I think it only works with checking acounts:
>>
>> https://www.chase.com/online/digital/quickpay.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2015 2:42 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Until very recently PayPal was *owned* by eBay.  FWIW...
>>> >
>>> I was aware of that change.
>>>
>>> > Curious what the credit card company's reason was, I guess PayPal did
>>> not tell you that?
>>>
>>> That's right, I was told only that the buyer opened a dispute "did not
>>> authorize the purchase" other than that nothing zip!
>>>
>>> Seems like it would almost be better to *not* use PayPal
>>>
>>> Yes. I won't be using PayPal. I also won't be using another layer of
>>> payment processing. If I sell something I will only accept a check or cash
>>> and will not ship anything till my bank verify's funds are in my account.
>>>
>>> and get some other credit card clearing service that gave you more of a
>>> voice in the process.
>>>
>>> I don't know of such a company?  If you know please share.
>>>
>>> I know there are credit card processing services out there, I wonder if
>>> there is some minimum transaction amount.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts,
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:37 PM, hsmitham 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Bill,
>>> >>
>>> >> Like others I've bought many items from this group. I haven't sold
>>> too much though. My experiences have all been top notch. With that said I
>>> will like the Jim our moderator caution you that you make transactions at
>>> your own risk. This is a searchable forum and there is very little vetting
>>> as to who can buy and sell. I'd like to take this opportunity to share an
>>> experience I had recently not bike  related but selling on eBay and
>>> receiving funds through PayPal.
>>> >>
>>> >> I sold a Sony a6000 digital camera on eBay in May. The day the
>>> auction closed through eBay communication the buyer asked me to send the
>>> camera to an address they supplied. I waited for the funds to show up in my
>>> PayPal account. They did but were pending as "un-verified buyer" after
>>> three days it was changed to just "pending" I figured this normal as I
>>> needed to ship the item then the funds would be released.  I printed out a
>>> shipping label and went to my local USPS they couldn't find the address?
>>> They said maybe it's a new development and not showing yet in our records?
>>> Here's my biggest error in this entire process! At this point I recalled
>>> that the buyer had given me a different address. So I promptly went home
>>> and retrieved the address and mailed it out. What I should have done was
>>> contact the buyer and ask questions which would have, should have thrown up
>>> a reg flag. I should have cancelled the sale. But alas I was happy it sold
>>> and felt under pressure to be a prompt seller to maintain good eBay seller
>>> feedback. So with the auction closed and the payment made through PayPal.
>>> All seemed good to go! Approximately 25 days later I received
>>> correspondence from PayPal that the buyer opened a dispute with their
>>> credit card company claiming they didn't authorize the purchase!
>>> >>
>>> >> Here's where if you've ever watched the movie "Brazil" you can
>>> appreciate the morass I fell into. Since the transaction was a completed
>>> transaction eBay washed their hands of it and referred me to 

[RBW] Re: Contemplating a new saddle

[Buck]

I'm riding on Pasela Tourguards 26x1.50 tires. I generally inflate them to 
about 60 lbs, but have also ridden them softer. It's not the road vibration 
or bumps that gets me. The saddle ends up feeling like cement. It becomes 
hard to sit on. 

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 12:51:07 PM UTC-4, John Phillips wrote:
>
> If this is a dumb question, I apologize, but which tires do you have on 
> the Atlantis, and what tire pressures do you ride on?
>
> I was just wondering how much road vibration was maybe an issue with your 
> Brooks saddle?
>
> I ride on a Berthoud Mente saddle, upright with Albatross bars, but with 
> Barlow Pass tires this effing hard saddle is like riding on a cloud.
>
> John
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will Phil Wood hub bolts keep a fixed gear rear wheel in place?

[cyclotourist]

Yes.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> I use SS Phil hubs on my Surly steamroller and custom titanium CX bike. Both
> have horizontal track ends. Both have held perfectly for years after much
> abuse. I've had QR's slip on those same frames, but never the bolts.
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 2:40:34 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The most common applications for bolt on Phil Hubs are BMX and trackbikes
>> which both, almost by definition, have horizontal dropouts.
>>
>> I don't remember the exact layout of your dropouts, so I will just throw
>> out there that the only bike that I ever had a serious slipping problem had
>> extremely high end CHROMED horizontal dropouts.  It was like glass and hard
>> as diamond.  I had to tighten the QR absurdly tight to get anything to hold.
>> Perhaps that is not germane to your application.
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 12:29:15 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Will they torque down tight enough to keep a rear wheel from skewing?
>>> They look pretty small. Are they meant only for vertical dropouts?
>>>
>>> I just got some nice Campy skewers, but the minimalist itch has been
>>> bothering me.
>>>
>>> The Elk Pass tires continue to surprise and please.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who took a brief (13.5 mile) ride today on the gofast to
>>> test his recovery from the recent cold in suddenly more temperate ABQ, NM.
>>> Prognosis: positive, but I must take it easy.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>>> individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu
>>>
>>> Stat crux dum volvitur orbis. Carthusian motto
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Will Phil Wood hub bolts keep a fixed gear rear wheel in place?

[Jeremy Till]

Phils are definitely designed for horizontal dropouts so I doubt you'll 
have any issues.  If you do have slippage, Phil also makes oversize axles 
bolts+washer kits called "chrome domes," specifically for bikes with 
chromed dropouts.  I think they also ship stock on their SS mtb hubs.  

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 12:29:15 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Will they torque down tight enough to keep a rear wheel from skewing? They 
> look pretty small. Are they meant only for vertical dropouts?
>
> I just got some nice Campy skewers, but the minimalist itch has been 
> bothering me.
>
> The Elk Pass tires continue to surprise and please.
>
> Patrick Moore, who took a brief (13.5 mile) ride today on the gofast to 
> test his recovery from the recent cold in suddenly more temperate ABQ, NM. 
> Prognosis: positive, but I must take it easy. 
>
> -- 
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>
> *
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto
>  
>

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[RBW] Bombadil Off-Road

[Tony DeFilippo]

In it's natural environment... finally got the fat-knobby/dirt drop'd 
Bombadil out for some dedicated off-road riding this evening.  Out to a 
local municipal park - Wakefield - where they have some great single track 
that goes along Accotink Creek and some swooshy trails along the cleared 
powerlines with some good up's and downs.  Speaking of downs I did crash 
pretty quickly but it was a minor thing.  One of the wooded sections has 
alot of these wooden 'bridges' over low spots in the trail and some of them 
have pretty darn sudden 6+ in lifts to get up on them.  I hit one oddly and 
to slow and went over.  The bike was fine and I just got a minor scrape.  I 
kept my speed down in the new-to-me sections afterwards and was happier for 
it.

The bike handled like a dream, I LOVE the dirt drop bars and spent nearly 
the whole time in the hooks section with my index finger or index/middle 
fingers on the brakes.  I felt very well in control and much less like I 
was lifting the front end as I've noted when riding the same trails with a 
Bosco equipped MB-5 last summer.  The RM13's were wide enough for good 
turning leverage and just narrow enough that I didn't end up whacking a bar 
end on a tree/limb/rock or other obstruction.  the 650Bx2.25 Nobby Nic's 
were awesome, I was probably running them a bit higher pressure than was 
ideal for this kind of surface but I had excellent traction and put it to 
the test (at slow speeds) in some slaloming single track. The 3x8 speed 
configuration w/ 32T max in the back was plenty for the relatively short 
duration climbs I was doing and my Silver BE shifters (newly refreshed w/ 
Riv replacement plastic bits) worked great.  I will have to remove my 
kickstand if these tires stay on as they tires definitely rubbed on the 
stand and ended up vibrating it up into the chainstay which made an 
unpleasant noise.

The unexpected bonus of the evening was running into several groups of 
Whitetail Deer, mostly Bucks, some with pretty impressive (for VA) antlers. 
 My pictures don't really do them justice but the video I uploaded does 
show a really pretty clearing with four of them staring me down.  Great 
night all around, makes me want to get out there once a week. Pictures and 
video here;

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/08/bombadil-off-road.html


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[RBW] Re: Bombadil Off-Road

[dstein]

Nice setup and write up, thanks for sharing. Those dirt drops look fun! And 
at least you didn't crash into a patch of poison oak like I did on my 
hunqapillar recently while trying to get back on the bike from an almost 
crash a second before!

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 8:14:04 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> In it's natural environment... finally got the fat-knobby/dirt drop'd 
> Bombadil out for some dedicated off-road riding this evening.  Out to a 
> local municipal park - Wakefield - where they have some great single track 
> that goes along Accotink Creek and some swooshy trails along the cleared 
> powerlines with some good up's and downs.  Speaking of downs I did crash 
> pretty quickly but it was a minor thing.  One of the wooded sections has 
> alot of these wooden 'bridges' over low spots in the trail and some of them 
> have pretty darn sudden 6+ in lifts to get up on them.  I hit one oddly and 
> to slow and went over.  The bike was fine and I just got a minor scrape.  I 
> kept my speed down in the new-to-me sections afterwards and was happier for 
> it.
>
> The bike handled like a dream, I LOVE the dirt drop bars and spent nearly 
> the whole time in the hooks section with my index finger or index/middle 
> fingers on the brakes.  I felt very well in control and much less like I 
> was lifting the front end as I've noted when riding the same trails with a 
> Bosco equipped MB-5 last summer.  The RM13's were wide enough for good 
> turning leverage and just narrow enough that I didn't end up whacking a bar 
> end on a tree/limb/rock or other obstruction.  the 650Bx2.25 Nobby Nic's 
> were awesome, I was probably running them a bit higher pressure than was 
> ideal for this kind of surface but I had excellent traction and put it to 
> the test (at slow speeds) in some slaloming single track. The 3x8 speed 
> configuration w/ 32T max in the back was plenty for the relatively short 
> duration climbs I was doing and my Silver BE shifters (newly refreshed w/ 
> Riv replacement plastic bits) worked great.  I will have to remove my 
> kickstand if these tires stay on as they tires definitely rubbed on the 
> stand and ended up vibrating it up into the chainstay which made an 
> unpleasant noise.
>
> The unexpected bonus of the evening was running into several groups of 
> Whitetail Deer, mostly Bucks, some with pretty impressive (for VA) antlers. 
>  My pictures don't really do them justice but the video I uploaded does 
> show a really pretty clearing with four of them staring me down.  Great 
> night all around, makes me want to get out there once a week. Pictures and 
> video here;
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/08/bombadil-off-road.html
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT 26inch tires. big ben/big apple ish

[hsmitham]

I have two sets of BB's 26x2.15

~Hugh

On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 3:19:56 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> building a bike for my mom. need something like the big ben, big apple or 
> fat frank style. ie-big and tough. 26x2.1-2.3 
> figured i'd ask if anyone has something lying around before dropping 
> 60-80$ on a new set. 
>
>
> i have 700x50 big apples (250-300 miles on them) that i can trade, as well 
> as a few other random things. 
>

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