[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Nelson Long Flap

[Kellie]

The bag is SOLD.

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[RBW] 59 cm Legolas on CList near me; $1400 f/f/hs

[Philip Williamson]

Sweet. I love the blue, too. 

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Homer goes to France to ride Paris Brest Paris - a ride report

[BSWP]

Thank you posting the link, I really enjoyed reading through the story and 
seeing your photos. Your writing has the ability to transport readers to 
the ride, to the cots and bag transfer stations, to the homes and tables 
along the route. I better appreciate the feat of riding (and preparing 
for!) PBP now.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 2:35:28 PM UTC-7, Iron Rider wrote:
>
>
> For those who may be interested:
>
>
> http://eprider.blogspot.com/2015/08/living-dream-one-account-of-paris-brest.html
>
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[RBW] Re: For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[Zach Duval]

I'd love to try out the Switchback Hills on my Sam but have to wear my 
Surly Knards and CdlVs (budget tires, at about $15 apiece) before I'll be 
willing to spring for them. 

Please post pictures (and possibly actual measurements) anyone who mounts 
the Switchbacks!

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 7:32:50 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

> I just ordered a multi-year stock of the Elk Pass. The Rat Trap Pass looks 
> particularly nice; wish it came in a 700C version.
>
>
> New Tires Available And Others Back In Stock View this email in your 
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>  
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> The four new Compass tires are in stock now! They are the Rat Trap Pass 
> (26″ x 54 mm), Switchback Hill (650B x 48 mm), Bon Jon Pass (700C x 35 mm), 
> and Elk Pass (26″ x 1.25″).
> The *Rat Trap Pass* (above) is the ultimate expression of our new Enduro 
> Allroad tires. With its 54 mm width, it is incredibly plush on rough 
> gravel, yet thanks to the smaller 26″ wheel size, it has the same 
> rotational inertia as a medium-width 700C tire, and thus handles like a 
> good road tire on pavement. 
>
> The Rat Trap Pass has already proven itself in this year’s 
> *Paris-Brest-Paris*, where it provided wonderful comfort and security for 
> a tandem team on the rough roads of Brittany.
> Buy The Rat Trap Pass Tires Here 
> 
>  At 
> 48 mm wide, the *Switchback Hill* is our largest 650B (27.5″) tire yet. Named 
> after the first major climb in the *Oregon Outback* gravel race, the 
> extra floatation gives you more speed and security when the going gets 
> really rough. 30% of the *Oregon Outback* is on pavement, so we designed 
> this tire to roll as fast and grip as well as a good racing tire. With this 
> tire, you truly have the best of both worlds. The Switchback Hill also 
> can transform the performance of your 27.5″ mountain bike on gravel or 
> paved roads.
>
> Buy The Switchback Hill Tires Here 
> 
>  
> The* Bon Jon Pass *is our Goldilocks tire: at 700C x 35 mm, it fits bikes 
> that have extra clearance around the Stampede Pass (32 mm), but not enough 
> space for a Barlow Pass (38mm). 
>
> Whether smooth gravel or rough pavement, the Bon Jon Pass will make your 
> bike fly!
>  Buy The Bon Jon Pass Tires Here 
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>  
> The *Elk Pass *26″ x 1.25″ tires (32 mm-wide) are superlight tires 
> for bikes with 26″ wheels. If you are looking for the fastest, lightest 26″ 
> tire ever made, this likely is it. Not only does it weigh just 178 g, but 
> it uses the Compass Extralight casing and our ultra-sticky tread rubber for 
> the ultimate in suppleness and cornering grip. It also is a great emergency 
> spare tire for those traveling off the beaten path with 26″ wheels. The Elk 
> Pass already has proven itself on challenging rides in the Cascade 
> Mountains 
> 
>  and 
> in this year’s *Paris-Brest-Paris*. 
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> Like most Compass tires, the new tires are available with “Standard” 
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> Extralight casing and tan sidewalls.)
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> In addition to the new tires, we've resupplied our existing offerings. 
> This means that favorites like the White Grand Bois Hetres, Black 
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Re: [RBW] Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[James Warren]

Agreed, provided your frame can fit it. But some older Atlanti and just about 
all Hillbornes probably couldn't go that wide. Your Fargo would love such width!


On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, don't stop at 47 -- go at least to 50 and, better, 60. A 700C X 60 Rat 
> Trap would be wonderful.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:51 PM, dougP  wrote:
> Hmmm700 x 45 supple sidewall?  Now that would be interesting.  
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 7:37:03 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
> 
> You guys with 26er Rivs are very lucky to have access to these. I think the 
> Compass tires are ride-enhancing, but the widest I can go is 700x38, because 
> I am too tall for either 26" or 650B Rivs. Even at 38 mm, the Compass tire 
> has become something I rave about. At 47 to 50ish mm, I might lose my 
> composure! 
> 
> -Jim W. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> >From: Pondero  
> >Sent: Sep 2, 2015 7:11 PM 
> >To: RBW Owners Bunch  
> >Subject: [RBW] Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis 
> > 
> >Excellent!  My tan side walls (due to arrive on Thursday) will also be 
> >installed on a 56 Atlantis. 
> > 
> >Chris Johnson 
> >Sanger, Texas 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Nelson Long Flap

[Jim Bronson]

I love mine too.  I use it for Rando riding.  I stuff it full of my powders
and Payday bars along with a spare tire, spare tubes, spare lights and
batteries and lastly tools.  Oh and depending on time of year, clothes as
well for cooler temps.

It's pretty heavy at the start of the ride but as I eat more and drink more
it gets lighter ;)
On Aug 31, 2015 10:21 PM, "Tony DeFilippo"  wrote:

> I've got a version of this bag myself and love it.  I even crammed a
> laptop in it on occasion before I rigged up my Saddlesack Medium as the
> regular commuting bag.  But for anything other than commuting I've found it
> to be a great single bag to take for a long day on the bike where I don't
> want to be stingy about what I pack.
>
> There was a thread last week about carrying a dslr camera... this bag does
> the job fine for me w/ my D600 plus a lens or two plus some padding.  The
> side pockets make it easy to keep my tools out of the way of the in-and-out
> luggage.
>
> Looks classy to!
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[RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[hsmitham]

Well they may measure narrower but I suspect the ride will be so plush 
you'll never consider remounting those BB's. Enjoy the ride.

~Hugh

On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 4:23:00 PM UTC-7, A. L Young wrote:
>
> hey gang,
>
> The Rat Trap Pass tires arrived today. They fit with ample clearance on 
> my 56 cm Atlantis. On Velocity Aeroheat rims they measure 47mm. Narrow 
> compared to the Big Bens they replaced (52mm on same rims). 
>
> Instapics:
>
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JUEnhu37E/
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JXIKgO3_u/
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JX4ovu3w7/
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, don't stop at 47 -- go at least to 50 and, better, 60. A 700C X 60 Rat
Trap would be wonderful.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 9:51 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Hmmm700 x 45 supple sidewall?  Now that would be interesting.
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 7:37:03 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> You guys with 26er Rivs are very lucky to have access to these. I think
>> the Compass tires are ride-enhancing, but the widest I can go is 700x38,
>> because I am too tall for either 26" or 650B Rivs. Even at 38 mm, the
>> Compass tire has become something I rave about. At 47 to 50ish mm, I might
>> lose my composure!
>>
>> -Jim W.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Pondero 
>> >Sent: Sep 2, 2015 7:11 PM
>> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>> >Subject: [RBW] Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis
>> >
>> >Excellent!  My tan side walls (due to arrive on Thursday) will also be
>> installed on a 56 Atlantis.
>> >
>> >Chris Johnson
>> >Sanger, Texas
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Jeremy Till]

The bright green long chainstay bike was one of the original series of 
"mystery bike" protos, that Rivendell had Nobilette build as a test 
bed/demo bike for the concept and was in their showroom for a while before 
selling it.  I had the pleasure of riding it then, and it sold me on the 
concept of upright bars for all kinds of riding, and the awesomeness of 
Bosco bars.  I happen to know that it currently belongs to Riv/ SF Bay Area 
local Finn Taylor.  

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 11:24:56 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>   I'm not sure who owns that green frame , someone is riding it somewhere 
> or it's at Riv HQ . 
>
> Keven also has one too , a 58.7 proto-Appaloosa . 
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff3.htm
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful – whose bike is that?  List member?
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] 
>> *On Behalf Of *Garth
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2015 12:56 PM
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet
>>
>>  
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[EGNolan]

I was gonna wait until my current tires wear out to join the RTP club, but 
after seeing that 'lantis, I'm thinking I'll find a way to get these NOW.


>>

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[RBW] Re: Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[Deacon Patrick]

Amazing, Takashi!

As most here know, my go to tires are: Thunder Burt for my Hunqapillar; 
Barlow Pass for my Quickbeam. I think you are on to something when you 
mention that heat could have been a factor with your Barlow Pass ride. I 
don't track speed, time, distance, etc., but hot rides are sure a LOT 
longer feeling than the same ride on a cool day. Throw in subtle 
differences in wind and/or precipitation, and even how you are feeling that 
ride -- It would take a lot of riders and/or very controled testing in real 
world circumstances to attempt to quiet down the "noise" in the data. To 
me, your ride impression notes are the most meaningful data you collected. 
Of the tires I've ridden, I concur with your assessment. Thank you for 
sharing this fantastic pile of personal experience with the tires!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 1:35:46 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote:
>
>
> 
> I tested various 700c (29-inch) tires on a same route to see how they 
> perform, and I thought I'd share the results here.
>
> Please note that this is not a detailed study, as I rode only once with 
> each pair.
> Climate conditions as well as my body condition differed from one day to 
> another, so that might have affected results.
>
>
> *THE TIRES:*
> The tires I tested are following 6 pairs:
>
> Maxxis CrossMark 29x2.1 (52/52-622) 60TPI, single compound
> Schwalbe Thunder Burt 29x2.10 (54-622) RaceGuard
> Schwalbe Furious Fred 29x2.00 (50-622)
> Bruce Gordon Rock-n-Road 700x43 (43-622)
> Schwalbe Marathon Mondial 700x40 (42-622) Performance Line, wired
> Compass Barlow Pass 700x38 (38-622) standard casing
>
>
> *THE ROUTE:*
> The route is 20.4 kilometers (12.7 miles) long, which consists of 4 
> portions:
> Portion 1: paved; 7.6km (4.7mi); 271m (889ft) ascent; 91m (298ft) descent
> Portion 2: dirt/gravel; 2.6km (1.6mi); 210m (689ft) ascent; no descent
> Portion 3: dirt/gravel; 5.4km (3.4mi); no ascent; 406m (1332ft) descent
> Portion 4: paved; 4.8km (3.0mi); 74m (243ft) ascent; 79m (259ft) descent
>
>
> *RESULTS:*
> Please see the attached chart for the results.
>
>
> *IMPRESSIONS:*
>
> *Cross Mark (15psi front, 25psi rear)*
> It felt a bit sluggish when climbing.
> Rear wheel sometimes slipped in portion 2.
> Difficulty when descending in portion 3 as rear wheel sometimes skidded, 
> but looking at GPS data, these were fastest, so maybe it wasn't bad.
>
> *Thunder Burt (20psi front, 30psi rear)*
> I recall that someone wrote about these tires as "smooth as butter," and I 
> absolutely agree. Very smooth both on pavement and on gravel. Also they 
> felt less sluggish than Cross Marks, thus easier to climb.
> It was easier to handle on gravel than Cross Marks, though rear wheel 
> slipped a bit in portion 2.
> Also I felt them easier to handle in portion 3.
> By the way, I always took brief rests (a few minutes) between portions. 
> Looking at GPS data, I noticed that my rest was shorter when testing 
> Thunder Burts and Furious Freds. I guess their smoothness or 
> non-sluggishness made me less tired, thus requiring shorter break.
> (It's possible that it was due to climate conditions, not tires.)
> I put TBs on my Hunq when I went touring this August, and they served very 
> well.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/albums/72157655035690913
>
> Furious Fred (22psi front, 30psi rear)
> Least sluggish among tires I tested, and indeed very fast when climbing.
> As I wrote above, I needed shorter break between portions.
> I did not notice slipping in portion 2, easy to handle in portion 3.
> So I liked them very much, but on another day when I rode unpaved road 
> with these tires, I found a few cuts on the tread (not sidewall). Schwalbe 
> website suggests that they are fragile, and indeed they are.
> I am reluctant to use them for long-distance ride when the route includes 
> unpaved roads.
>
> Rock n Road (30psi front, 38psi rear)
> They feel relatively smooth both on pavement and dirt, but extremely 
> sluggish when climbing.
> I had to resort to lower gears with these tires than with other tires.
> Handling was fine in portions 2 and 3, but harder to handle than fatter 
> tires.
>
> Marathon Mondial (30psi front, 38psi rear)
> Felt less sluggish than RnR.
> Among tires I tested, these felt hardest to handle on gravel road.
> So I was surprised when I checked GPS data to find that these performed 
> pretty well in portions 2 and 3.
> I have always thought that these are "slow" tires, so I have not used them 
> often, but I will have to change my mind and use them more often to see how 
> they perform.
>
> Barlow Pass (38psi front, 42psi rear)
> Before the test, I expected these to be fastest, especially when climbing 
> paved road, but I was wrong.
> Compared to Furious Freds, Barlow Pass felt slow, and I felt more tired.
> (Maybe because it was a hot day when I tested these.)
> In portions 

[RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Bill Lindsay]

I installed Rat Trap Pass tires last night on 25mm rims (vintage RM-20).  
They measure 52mm at 30psi.  They fit with room to spare under stainless 
steel VO fenders.

PHOTO 

1987 Schwinn Paramountain.  

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Re: [RBW] Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this; very interesting to see that the first 3 on the list are
close, and that the F Fred is fastest. I can see how th FFs would be
chancey on graveled roads, but fortunately my roads are sandy. I do notice
how they roll very nicely on pavement, even at ~18/22.

I'll be interested to learn of any further test data.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 1:35 AM, Takashi  wrote:

>
> 
> I tested various 700c (29-inch) tires on a same route to see how they
> perform, and I thought I'd share the results here.
>
> Please note that this is not a detailed study, as I rode only once with
> each pair.
> Climate conditions as well as my body condition differed from one day to
> another, so that might have affected results.
>
>
> *THE TIRES:*
> The tires I tested are following 6 pairs:
>
> Maxxis CrossMark 29x2.1 (52/52-622) 60TPI, single compound
> Schwalbe Thunder Burt 29x2.10 (54-622) RaceGuard
> Schwalbe Furious Fred 29x2.00 (50-622)
> Bruce Gordon Rock-n-Road 700x43 (43-622)
> Schwalbe Marathon Mondial 700x40 (42-622) Performance Line, wired
> Compass Barlow Pass 700x38 (38-622) standard casing
>
>
> *THE ROUTE:*
> The route is 20.4 kilometers (12.7 miles) long, which consists of 4
> portions:
> Portion 1: paved; 7.6km (4.7mi); 271m (889ft) ascent; 91m (298ft) descent
> Portion 2: dirt/gravel; 2.6km (1.6mi); 210m (689ft) ascent; no descent
> Portion 3: dirt/gravel; 5.4km (3.4mi); no ascent; 406m (1332ft) descent
> Portion 4: paved; 4.8km (3.0mi); 74m (243ft) ascent; 79m (259ft) descent
>
>
> *RESULTS:*
> Please see the attached chart for the results.
>
>
> *IMPRESSIONS:*
>
> *Cross Mark (15psi front, 25psi rear)*
> It felt a bit sluggish when climbing.
> Rear wheel sometimes slipped in portion 2.
> Difficulty when descending in portion 3 as rear wheel sometimes skidded,
> but looking at GPS data, these were fastest, so maybe it wasn't bad.
>
> *Thunder Burt (20psi front, 30psi rear)*
> I recall that someone wrote about these tires as "smooth as butter," and I
> absolutely agree. Very smooth both on pavement and on gravel. Also they
> felt less sluggish than Cross Marks, thus easier to climb.
> It was easier to handle on gravel than Cross Marks, though rear wheel
> slipped a bit in portion 2.
> Also I felt them easier to handle in portion 3.
> By the way, I always took brief rests (a few minutes) between portions.
> Looking at GPS data, I noticed that my rest was shorter when testing
> Thunder Burts and Furious Freds. I guess their smoothness or
> non-sluggishness made me less tired, thus requiring shorter break.
> (It's possible that it was due to climate conditions, not tires.)
> I put TBs on my Hunq when I went touring this August, and they served very
> well.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/albums/72157655035690913
>
> Furious Fred (22psi front, 30psi rear)
> Least sluggish among tires I tested, and indeed very fast when climbing.
> As I wrote above, I needed shorter break between portions.
> I did not notice slipping in portion 2, easy to handle in portion 3.
> So I liked them very much, but on another day when I rode unpaved road
> with these tires, I found a few cuts on the tread (not sidewall). Schwalbe
> website suggests that they are fragile, and indeed they are.
> I am reluctant to use them for long-distance ride when the route includes
> unpaved roads.
>
> Rock n Road (30psi front, 38psi rear)
> They feel relatively smooth both on pavement and dirt, but extremely
> sluggish when climbing.
> I had to resort to lower gears with these tires than with other tires.
> Handling was fine in portions 2 and 3, but harder to handle than fatter
> tires.
>
> Marathon Mondial (30psi front, 38psi rear)
> Felt less sluggish than RnR.
> Among tires I tested, these felt hardest to handle on gravel road.
> So I was surprised when I checked GPS data to find that these performed
> pretty well in portions 2 and 3.
> I have always thought that these are "slow" tires, so I have not used them
> often, but I will have to change my mind and use them more often to see how
> they perform.
>
> Barlow Pass (38psi front, 42psi rear)
> Before the test, I expected these to be fastest, especially when climbing
> paved road, but I was wrong.
> Compared to Furious Freds, Barlow Pass felt slow, and I felt more tired.
> (Maybe because it was a hot day when I tested these.)
> In portions 2 and 3, I felt them difficult to handle. Felt easier than
> Marathons, but slower actually.
> Extralight ones might be faster, but I guess that they are as fragile as
> Furious Freds.
>
>
> Takashi
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[RBW] Re: Speak to me about front loading and rear loading

[Brian Campbell]

Timely thread. I recently took the Mark's rack, large Acorn handle bar bag 
and headlight off of my AHH. I shifted the load to as saddle mounted bag 
(Sackville medium), mounted the headlight on the front fender and the 
change has been fantastic. I feel that the bike is performing more in line 
with it's design, quicker steering, better balance in corners and an over 
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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[EGNolan]

Beauty. Looks deceivingly comfy.

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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Jim Bronson]

Who's to say what riders need and what they don't?  To each his own.  I
like 9 speed 11-34 and wouldn't mind going 10 or even 11 to narrow some of
the bigger gaps between gears.

OBTW,
1975 called and they want their freewheel back.  ;)

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> That's a 5 speed freewheel.  14-34.  Everything you need, nothing you
> don't.
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 12:02:46 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> What casette do you have on there?  That big gear is huge.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> I installed Rat Trap Pass tires last night on 25mm rims (vintage
>>> RM-20).  They measure 52mm at 30psi.  They fit with room to spare under
>>> stainless steel VO fenders.
>>>
>>> PHOTO 
>>>
>>> 1987 Schwinn Paramountain.
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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Jim Bronson]

What casette do you have on there?  That big gear is huge.

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> I installed Rat Trap Pass tires last night on 25mm rims (vintage RM-20).
> They measure 52mm at 30psi.  They fit with room to spare under stainless
> steel VO fenders.
>
> PHOTO 
>
> 1987 Schwinn Paramountain.
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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Bill Lindsay]

That's a 5 speed freewheel.  14-34.  Everything you need, nothing you 
don't.  

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 12:02:46 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> What casette do you have on there?  That big gear is huge.
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> I installed Rat Trap Pass tires last night on 25mm rims (vintage RM-20).  
>> They measure 52mm at 30psi.  They fit with room to spare under stainless 
>> steel VO fenders.
>>
>> PHOTO 
>>
>> 1987 Schwinn Paramountain.  
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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Bill Lindsay]

OK, that 5-speed 14-34 has everything I need when riding this particular 
bike, nothing I don't need when riding this particular bike.  

and I'll remind you that Suntour Winner 5-speed freewheels were still 
current in 1985 ;-)  

Bill who-owns-bikes-with-2-5-5-9-9-9-and-10-rear-cogs Lindsay 
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 12:23:33 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Who's to say what riders need and what they don't?  To each his own.  I 
> like 9 speed 11-34 and wouldn't mind going 10 or even 11 to narrow some of 
> the bigger gaps between gears.
>
> OBTW,
> 1975 called and they want their freewheel back.  ;)
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> That's a 5 speed freewheel.  14-34.  Everything you need, nothing you 
>> don't.  
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 12:02:46 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> What casette do you have on there?  That big gear is huge.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 I installed Rat Trap Pass tires last night on 25mm rims (vintage 
 RM-20).  They measure 52mm at 30psi.  They fit with room to spare under 
 stainless steel VO fenders.

 PHOTO 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26 to 650b hunqapillar

[dstein]

Just went on a 12 mile ride. Went fine. I"m alive ;). I liked the ride a 
lot actually. Definitely felt a *little* taller. Handling was fine. A tad 
squirrerly. Kind of reminded me of my issue with the Big Bens on my 26" 
rims earlier this year that I posted about. I'll give it a few weeks, but 
if this works I think the 650b wheels with babyshoe pass tires is a nice 
alternative to my 26" wheels w/ smart sams (even given the hassle of brake 
pad adjustment). Certainly makes me feel a little better about selling my 
Sam.

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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Aaron Young]

Looks good! 

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> Beauty. Looks deceivingly comfy.
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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[David Spranger]

My purple Ram:

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipO3N9HexyEHaEhA-uNeuhmk-81VFUZB3tUxIyIG

David
Charlotte, NC

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> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
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[RBW] Re: 59 cm Legolas on CList near me; $1400 f/f/hs

[Minh]

Phew, 

The price (and hassle) is just high enough that i'm not tempted :)

If this was local i'd have a harder time.

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 11:07:25 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
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> Sweet. I love the blue, too. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Speak to me about front loading and rear loading

[Garth]

  I say with a smile and in jest . .  . . 

 For real load haulin" get a trailer . .  .. . but seeing how you love to 
fret , get as many bags as you can with as many pockets as possible and 
weigh each compartment individually as you fill them .  Do a manner of 
checks and balances and tallies , change the formulas for frettin's sake, 
and just for fun . . . . start all over !   


  There . . . THAT is how you load a bike .  . . PM style !;-)  

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[David Spranger]

Sorry. here is a shareable link:
https://goo.gl/photos/7JtvdXv67ZWQ4a469

On Thursday, eptember 3, 2015 at 12:57:40 PM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:
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> My purple :
>
>
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipO3N9HexyEHaEhA-uNeuhmk-81VFUZB3tUxIyIG
>
> David
> Charlotte, NC
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:51:36 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>>
>> As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
>> that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
>> the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
>> looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but really 
>> have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep purple 
>> and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
>> Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?
>>
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[RBW] Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[Takashi]

I tested various 700c (29-inch) tires on a same route to see how they 
perform, and I thought I'd share the results here.

Please note that this is not a detailed study, as I rode only once with 
each pair.
Climate conditions as well as my body condition differed from one day to 
another, so that might have affected results.


*THE TIRES:*
The tires I tested are following 6 pairs:

Maxxis CrossMark 29x2.1 (52/52-622) 60TPI, single compound
Schwalbe Thunder Burt 29x2.10 (54-622) RaceGuard
Schwalbe Furious Fred 29x2.00 (50-622)
Bruce Gordon Rock-n-Road 700x43 (43-622)
Schwalbe Marathon Mondial 700x40 (42-622) Performance Line, wired
Compass Barlow Pass 700x38 (38-622) standard casing


*THE ROUTE:*
The route is 20.4 kilometers (12.7 miles) long, which consists of 4 
portions:
Portion 1: paved; 7.6km (4.7mi); 271m (889ft) ascent; 91m (298ft) descent
Portion 2: dirt/gravel; 2.6km (1.6mi); 210m (689ft) ascent; no descent
Portion 3: dirt/gravel; 5.4km (3.4mi); no ascent; 406m (1332ft) descent
Portion 4: paved; 4.8km (3.0mi); 74m (243ft) ascent; 79m (259ft) descent


*RESULTS:*
Please see the attached chart for the results.


*IMPRESSIONS:*

*Cross Mark (15psi front, 25psi rear)*
It felt a bit sluggish when climbing.
Rear wheel sometimes slipped in portion 2.
Difficulty when descending in portion 3 as rear wheel sometimes skidded, 
but looking at GPS data, these were fastest, so maybe it wasn't bad.

*Thunder Burt (20psi front, 30psi rear)*
I recall that someone wrote about these tires as "smooth as butter," and I 
absolutely agree. Very smooth both on pavement and on gravel. Also they 
felt less sluggish than Cross Marks, thus easier to climb.
It was easier to handle on gravel than Cross Marks, though rear wheel 
slipped a bit in portion 2.
Also I felt them easier to handle in portion 3.
By the way, I always took brief rests (a few minutes) between portions. 
Looking at GPS data, I noticed that my rest was shorter when testing 
Thunder Burts and Furious Freds. I guess their smoothness or 
non-sluggishness made me less tired, thus requiring shorter break.
(It's possible that it was due to climate conditions, not tires.)
I put TBs on my Hunq when I went touring this August, and they served very 
well.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/albums/72157655035690913

Furious Fred (22psi front, 30psi rear)
Least sluggish among tires I tested, and indeed very fast when climbing.
As I wrote above, I needed shorter break between portions.
I did not notice slipping in portion 2, easy to handle in portion 3.
So I liked them very much, but on another day when I rode unpaved road with 
these tires, I found a few cuts on the tread (not sidewall). Schwalbe 
website suggests that they are fragile, and indeed they are.
I am reluctant to use them for long-distance ride when the route includes 
unpaved roads.

Rock n Road (30psi front, 38psi rear)
They feel relatively smooth both on pavement and dirt, but extremely 
sluggish when climbing.
I had to resort to lower gears with these tires than with other tires.
Handling was fine in portions 2 and 3, but harder to handle than fatter 
tires.

Marathon Mondial (30psi front, 38psi rear)
Felt less sluggish than RnR.
Among tires I tested, these felt hardest to handle on gravel road.
So I was surprised when I checked GPS data to find that these performed 
pretty well in portions 2 and 3.
I have always thought that these are "slow" tires, so I have not used them 
often, but I will have to change my mind and use them more often to see how 
they perform.

Barlow Pass (38psi front, 42psi rear)
Before the test, I expected these to be fastest, especially when climbing 
paved road, but I was wrong.
Compared to Furious Freds, Barlow Pass felt slow, and I felt more tired.
(Maybe because it was a hot day when I tested these.)
In portions 2 and 3, I felt them difficult to handle. Felt easier than 
Marathons, but slower actually.
Extralight ones might be faster, but I guess that they are as fragile as 
Furious Freds.


Takashi

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[RBW] Re: MKS sneaker pedal

[Michael Hechmer]

I've never been able to hang onto a nickel.  How do you do that?
Michael

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> I totally mangled the dustcap when servicing my sneaker pedal a month ago. 
> But the servicing worked. Then a month later a click returned. The mangled 
> cap had fallen off. 
> I googled around and found this neat trick. A nickel (barely) fits in 
> there! 
>
> Using an hour on a five minute job, 
>
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[RBW] WTB - Set of Paul Touring Cantilever Brakes (Silver) - Front & Rear

[Steve Cole]

I'm putting together parts for a build and would like to include Paul 
Touring Cantis in silver. If you also have silver Paul Canti brake levers, 
I would be interested as well.

Thanks,

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] For those of you who don't subscribe to the Compass/BQ mailings ... New Compass Tires Now Available

[EGN]

But if I file it off then the square hole I've cut in my fender will become 
unnecessary...

I'll file it now & wait for my Pasela's to wear out & order some of these.

Best,
Eric

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 2, 2015, at 11:44 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> 
> Zz..
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Jeff Lesperance  
>> wrote:
>> Never thought about it till I put these giant tires on. I have been staring 
>> across my workbench at my set of files and dremel, though playing the "is 
>> this a vestigial feature" on the fork is a special kind of game to play.
>> 
>> <9_2_15 - 2>
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Chris Cullum  
>>> wrote:
>>> What the heck is that protrusion? It looks highly unnecessary and a bit of 
>>> a nuisance.
>>> 
 On Sep 2, 2015 10:12 PM, "Jeff Lesperance"  
 wrote:
 Installed the RTP today on the XOXO. It's a very tight fit, vertically, on 
 the front. No problem on the rear. Unless you're comfortable with shaving 
 down the protrusion under the fork crown, forget about running close to 
 max recommended pressure of 55psi (though why would you?) - at ~35psi 
 there's a couple millimeters of clearance if that. Width is measuring 
 52.5mm on Rhyno Lite rims. Test ride/commute has to wait for tomorrow.
 
 <9_2_15 - 1>
 
 
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:35 AM, EGNolan  wrote:
> Jeff,
> Please update us once you know whether/how they fit. I've got an XOXO as 
> well and would love to know how it goes.
> 
> Best,
> Eric
> 
>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>> The copy on the page where these are for sale 
>> (https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/26-inch/compass-26-x-2-3-rat-trap-pass/)
>>  contains the conflicting measurement info:
>> 
>> Compass 26″ x 2.3″ Rat Trap Pass
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> The Rat Trap Pass (26″ x 54mm)
>> 
>> I also recall that actual measured width was reported to be closer to 
>> 50mm. I ordered up a pair to see if they'll fit on my Handsome XOXO, 
>> which has handled 2.1" semi-knobbies with a bit of wiggle room. If they 
>> don't fit my 10-year old is going to have the fanciest tires in the 
>> 'hood
>> 
>> -Jeff
>> Silver Spring, MD
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:
>>> Is this a typo? Because I thought it was supposed to be 54-55mm, which 
>>> means 2.1ish.
>>> 
>>> Also, I remember reading these actually measured out to be 50mm on 
>>> their prototype. I wonder if they resolved that, but I don't know 
>>> anything about the tire molding process and how easy/difficult it is to 
>>> change specs.
>>> 
 On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 10:49:26 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote:
 I'm a bit surprised at the 2.3" width.  There are a lot of touring 
 bikes that can fit a 1.75 or 2.0...but 2.3 is really out there. In the 
 559 wheel size, we're talking mountain bike.
 
 
 
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[RBW] Re: WTB - Set of Paul Touring Cantilever Brakes (Silver) - Front & Rear

[Garth]

The best I can come up with  

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/16015493065744283896?q=paul%20components%20touring%20cantilever=off=en=1219=792=on.2,or.=bv.101800829,d.aWw=1=1=TDjoVf-GJIupyQSOlISoCg.1441282125580.15=hsec:online,paur:ClkAsKraX47F5lsF7wf6NWuscJHB9XvJCoohg1Vr8Fh5BUr4rcAY-7ImOHtmL_N3ANx5mp_WhBL8c42hN-eSAyTbJ1mq1jOpkz1IAB37YQPhVCj9JgNE2vgaWBIZAFPVH70FXclR8pzW6rnZTKzH3kxBGhzdbQ,scoring:tp=0CBcQ2StqFQoTCNyEuZXr2scCFUYHkgodCjoNbw=MTnoVZyoCcaOyASK9LT4Bg

Some retailers also price match .  Niagara Cycle does have free shipping @ 
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[RBW] Re: WTB - Set of Paul Touring Cantilever Brakes (Silver) - Front & Rear

[Ron Mc]

Steve, you might want to check Modern Bike.  Andy there consistently 
discounts Paul components, and provides very good service.  
Regards.  

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 4:58:31 AM UTC-5, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> I'm putting together parts for a build and would like to include Paul 
> Touring Cantis in silver. If you also have silver Paul Canti brake levers, 
> I would be interested as well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
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[RBW] Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[Edwin W]

That is a lot of work to do, changing all of those tires! Thanks. Keep doing it 
and the results will become more meaningful. 

Very interesting, either way. 

Edwin

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[RBW] FS: Orange 54 Rambouillet

[Liesl]

Oh c'mon, Dan! Take it for a spin! You'll fall in love! Kitchen Smitchen!

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[RBW] Glorius/Wilbury maximum tire clearance

[Dave C]

My wife has a 56 cm Glorius, and the bike needs new tires. Does anyone know 
what the maximum tire clearance is for that frame?

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

[WETH]

David,
That is a beautiful bike.  I hope your recovery from this spring's accident is 
going well.  Are you cycling, yet?
-Erl 

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[RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[Dave Johnston]

I also installed the Rat Trap Pass Normal version (non-EL) on my 56cm 
Atlantis today. This is the only bike I have that has a second wheel set. I 
rarely use this feature though.

The other wheel set has Big Bens and this wheel set had 2.0" Kojaks. 
Hopefully the Rat Trap will combine the benefits of both. I didn't manage 
to get a ride in though.


Measurements at 36psi on 22.5mm rims:

Kojak = 44.5mm

Rat Trap Pass = 50mm (1hr after mounting)

Big Ben = 53mm


The Rat Trap were also about 5mm taller than the Kojak


Big Bens:







Rat Trap Pass:




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[RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[Dave Johnston]

I forgot to mention the Big Bens were of the 2.15" variety.


Since we are on the RBW list, I thought I would mention that supple wall 
tires are not "Riv approved". The folks at Riv HQ prefer more durable 
tires. To redeem myself to the Riv Gods I'll be keeping the Big Bens on the 
other wheel set for situations where more durability and a bit more 
traction is desired. 

A couple pictures of the RTP clearances:








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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's one beautiful Davidson, Bill! (Though I'll bet a hard one to touch 
up! Here's the Imron color I chose for my 1989 custom nickel plated and 
filet brazed Bontrager 
CX: http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 6:10:22 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My previous purple bike was a custom Davidson
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:37:12 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, that is more the color shade I am leaning towards over the purple 
>> Saluki that has been posted (even though that is a cool color too.) The 
>> Saluki is a little louder than this one. 
>>
>> I like these kind of internal debates and obsessionsmakes the work 
>> day go by so much quicker. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:

 As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
 that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
 the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
 looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but 
 really 
 have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep 
 purple 
 and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
 Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?

>>>  
>>> Not a Riv, but this 25th Anniv Della Santa is purple and very nice 
>>> looking:
>>>  
>>>  https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/internet-bob/HN4s9Ja_ZII
>>>  
>>> At $850 for the bike and $500 for the frameset, I'm suffering because it 
>>> is just my size!  But, I need to resist as I have too many road bikes and 
>>> need a cross.Good Luck!
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Amit Singh]

Where do I get a freewheel like that Bill?

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[RBW] Re: Glorius/Wilbury maximum tire clearance

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 5:59:58 PM UTC-7, Dave C wrote:
>
> My wife has a 56 cm Glorius, and the bike needs new tires. Does anyone 
> know what the maximum tire clearance is for that frame?
>

I don't know how wide you want to go, but my 56 cm Wilbury has no problem 
running 650B x 42 Hetre tires, even with fenders. However, I'm not sure 
I'll go wider than that, as the lateral clearance on the third set of stays 
(the "neither-chain-nor-seat-stay") is getting pretty tight with the 
42-section Hetre tires.

 

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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Lungimsam]

Compass sells 5 and 6 speed cassettes. 

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[RBW] Re: Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[dstein]

Awesome right up and thanks for sharing. 

Aren't the Thunder Burts also racing tires meant for short term use like 
the furious freds? Are are those in fact more duarable?

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[RBW] Re: Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[John Hawrylak]

All I can say is Wow and Thank You.  An excellent job and excellent report.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[jandrews_nyc]

Do we know what the stand over height is on the 56cm Atlantis with the RTP 
tires?

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Re: [RBW] Rat Trap Pass tires with metal fenders

[Bill Lindsay]

Just keep your eyes open. It's not the kind of thing I would want to have to 
find when I need it. If you need it, get ready to pay $100 on eBay or similar. 

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[RBW] WTT: Selle Anatomica for Brooks B67

[Avery Wilson]

Hey there group! I've got a used Selle Anatomica Titanico saddle in RED, which 
everyone knows... Red saddles make you faster. SA saddle is nice but not in 
perfect cosmetic condition. Got about 2/3 of the tensioning screw left. Also, 
when you wear out the leather, SA will re-leather it for $65 in whatever color 
you want.  

Want to try out a wide, sprung Brooks saddle after switching to Bosco bars. I 
was a little taken aback by how much more pressure the upright bars place on my 
backside, and wanting to give the big Brooks a try. 

Basically I'm thinking this trade would allow both of us to try a new saddle 
without having to buy new. 

Pm me if ya like, and I'll send pictures. 

Avery 

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[RBW] Re: Tested 6 pairs of 700c (29in) tires - results and impressions

[Shoji Takahashi]

Thanks, Takashi! I'll add Thunder Burts to my list for the Hunqapillar. 



On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 3:35:46 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:
>
>
> 
> I tested various 700c (29-inch) tires on a same route to see how they 
> perform, and I thought I'd share the results here.
>
> Please note that this is not a detailed study, as I rode only once with 
> each pair.
> Climate conditions as well as my body condition differed from one day to 
> another, so that might have affected results.
>
>
> *THE TIRES:*
> The tires I tested are following 6 pairs:
>
> Maxxis CrossMark 29x2.1 (52/52-622) 60TPI, single compound
> Schwalbe Thunder Burt 29x2.10 (54-622) RaceGuard
> Schwalbe Furious Fred 29x2.00 (50-622)
> Bruce Gordon Rock-n-Road 700x43 (43-622)
> Schwalbe Marathon Mondial 700x40 (42-622) Performance Line, wired
> Compass Barlow Pass 700x38 (38-622) standard casing
>
>
> *THE ROUTE:*
> The route is 20.4 kilometers (12.7 miles) long, which consists of 4 
> portions:
> Portion 1: paved; 7.6km (4.7mi); 271m (889ft) ascent; 91m (298ft) descent
> Portion 2: dirt/gravel; 2.6km (1.6mi); 210m (689ft) ascent; no descent
> Portion 3: dirt/gravel; 5.4km (3.4mi); no ascent; 406m (1332ft) descent
> Portion 4: paved; 4.8km (3.0mi); 74m (243ft) ascent; 79m (259ft) descent
>
>
> *RESULTS:*
> Please see the attached chart for the results.
>
>
> *IMPRESSIONS:*
>
> *Cross Mark (15psi front, 25psi rear)*
> It felt a bit sluggish when climbing.
> Rear wheel sometimes slipped in portion 2.
> Difficulty when descending in portion 3 as rear wheel sometimes skidded, 
> but looking at GPS data, these were fastest, so maybe it wasn't bad.
>
> *Thunder Burt (20psi front, 30psi rear)*
> I recall that someone wrote about these tires as "smooth as butter," and I 
> absolutely agree. Very smooth both on pavement and on gravel. Also they 
> felt less sluggish than Cross Marks, thus easier to climb.
> It was easier to handle on gravel than Cross Marks, though rear wheel 
> slipped a bit in portion 2.
> Also I felt them easier to handle in portion 3.
> By the way, I always took brief rests (a few minutes) between portions. 
> Looking at GPS data, I noticed that my rest was shorter when testing 
> Thunder Burts and Furious Freds. I guess their smoothness or 
> non-sluggishness made me less tired, thus requiring shorter break.
> (It's possible that it was due to climate conditions, not tires.)
> I put TBs on my Hunq when I went touring this August, and they served very 
> well.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/albums/72157655035690913
>
> Furious Fred (22psi front, 30psi rear)
> Least sluggish among tires I tested, and indeed very fast when climbing.
> As I wrote above, I needed shorter break between portions.
> I did not notice slipping in portion 2, easy to handle in portion 3.
> So I liked them very much, but on another day when I rode unpaved road 
> with these tires, I found a few cuts on the tread (not sidewall). Schwalbe 
> website suggests that they are fragile, and indeed they are.
> I am reluctant to use them for long-distance ride when the route includes 
> unpaved roads.
>
> Rock n Road (30psi front, 38psi rear)
> They feel relatively smooth both on pavement and dirt, but extremely 
> sluggish when climbing.
> I had to resort to lower gears with these tires than with other tires.
> Handling was fine in portions 2 and 3, but harder to handle than fatter 
> tires.
>
> Marathon Mondial (30psi front, 38psi rear)
> Felt less sluggish than RnR.
> Among tires I tested, these felt hardest to handle on gravel road.
> So I was surprised when I checked GPS data to find that these performed 
> pretty well in portions 2 and 3.
> I have always thought that these are "slow" tires, so I have not used them 
> often, but I will have to change my mind and use them more often to see how 
> they perform.
>
> Barlow Pass (38psi front, 42psi rear)
> Before the test, I expected these to be fastest, especially when climbing 
> paved road, but I was wrong.
> Compared to Furious Freds, Barlow Pass felt slow, and I felt more tired.
> (Maybe because it was a hot day when I tested these.)
> In portions 2 and 3, I felt them difficult to handle. Felt easier than 
> Marathons, but slower actually.
> Extralight ones might be faster, but I guess that they are as fragile as 
> Furious Freds.
>
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Set of Paul Touring Cantilever Brakes (Silver) - Front & Rear

[Ron Mc]

I've found them to be tedious - talk to Andy at Modern Bike

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 7:26:20 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> The best I can come up with  
>
>
> https://www.google.com/shopping/product/16015493065744283896?q=paul%20components%20touring%20cantilever=off=en=1219=792=on.2,or.=bv.101800829,d.aWw=1=1=TDjoVf-GJIupyQSOlISoCg.1441282125580.15=hsec:online,paur:ClkAsKraX47F5lsF7wf6NWuscJHB9XvJCoohg1Vr8Fh5BUr4rcAY-7ImOHtmL_N3ANx5mp_WhBL8c42hN-eSAyTbJ1mq1jOpkz1IAB37YQPhVCj9JgNE2vgaWBIZAFPVH70FXclR8pzW6rnZTKzH3kxBGhzdbQ,scoring:tp=0CBcQ2StqFQoTCNyEuZXr2scCFUYHkgodCjoNbw=MTnoVZyoCcaOyASK9LT4Bg
>
> Some retailers also price match .  Niagara Cycle does have free shipping @ 
> $150 or more .  Being on East coast I've shopped with them multiple times 
> .  
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[RBW] Re: WTB - Set of Paul Touring Cantilever Brakes (Silver) - Front & Rear

[Garth]

Tedious ?  (laughing)  What the heck does this infer ?   C'mon . 
we're talking shopping here .   Pick any retailer and ask a hundred people 
, everyone is convinced that THEIR experience is the ONLY experience !  "I 
know best, this is how it was and will always be."  .. or something like 
that .  

 How silly we all are !  


Steve, if I told you the best place to find them you wouldn't believe me 
anyways .  The most simple answer seems the most impossible sometimes. 



On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 8:49:16 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
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> I've found them to be tedious - talk to Andy at Modern Bike
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Sample Appaloosa is pretty sweet

[Garth]

 Yeah Leisl , of all the Riv frames I must say your design is the absolute 
coolest !  *Truly long and low with style* !  

I cannot see either why the next production frame will not have the 50cm+ 
chainstays, given the talk-up in the blug saying essentially "there's no 
reason why not to" !   Seeing that prototype's are just what they are , 
"test" frames , I take the "sam-like" test frame for sale as just that , a 
tester , but as such is ever subject to change. Not final. It may be well 
decided to go with the long chainstays for the next frame and for whatever 
reason it was time to put up the "sam-like" frame for sale. 



On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
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> Fun to see a link to my custom; thanks Garth! Yep, my custom differs from 
> the Mystery Bike in that the mid stays are doubled and go right into the 
> asymmetric  tentacular stays. And yep it's a Nobilette. 
>
> I thought of it as a Custom Appaloosa because of the badge on the Mystery 
> (which is what the custom was besed on) but perhaps it's not. So I too am 
> confused that the proto Appaloosa doesn't have the 50+ chainstays. I for 
> one *love* them.

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