[RBW] Re: FS XL Rivendells

[Julian]

It appears you've listed the Atlantis on eBay for $2000 obo -- is there a 
$400+ Riv-list premium? 

In the eBay listing it appears the bike has some parts missing (brakes and 
chain at first glance), and something odd is going on with the front 
deraiiluer cable. What's the clamp on the top tube? 

FWIW, you might have better results if you have a fairly in-depth 
description. Your current description on eBay, in totality, reads 
"Traditional Riv Atlantis" I'm really not trying to be snarky, but 
especially given the state of the bike in the photos, you might add a more 
in-depth description, listing the build parts and explaining what is 
missing and/or altered and why. 

Best of luck with the sale, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 3:22:09 PM UTC-5, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> 68cm Atlantis $2400 traditional Riv basic build 
> 68cm Quickbeam $1800 Green 3 speed hub
> 64cm Bombadil $3600 Grey and Kidney Red.
>
> Please contact me off list for pics.
>
> Ryan Hankinson
>
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[RBW] Re: A couple of Sackville questions

[Ron Mc]

I bought a sheet of 1/8" closed-cell foam.  I cut 3 pieces, a bottom and 
top liner, and a band that goes around the inside of the trunksack.  While 
I glued the band to itself, it all stays in place by friction.  It's thin 
enough not to affect the bag capacity, provides some thermal insulation, 


 and 
keeps the bag standing smart even when unloaded.  


On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 10:47:18 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> I have the small saddlesack and find that it fits a lot (ulock, tubes, 
> jacket or pullover, a book and, currently my coffee and yogurt).  Easy 
> access to all of it.  No leaking problems so far.  The only thing I would 
> warn about is bottom wear if you use a rack.  My rack started to wear holes 
> in the bottom.  They warn about this on the riv site but I didn't catch 
> since their picture showed it on a rack.  I sewed on a piece of leather to 
> protect it and it has been going great ever since.  The medium has the 
> leather bottom but I just don't find the need for that much space.
>
> John
>

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Re: [RBW] Keven

[René Sterental]

For me, Keven is RBW. While there are many other helpful and nice people at
RBW, Keven defined my experience there. Always helpful, always answering my
questions with a smile, always providing that extra touch to make my
experience there worth the 45 minute drive. No question was ever boring,
dumb or silly. I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I will miss
him next time I go.

The team has big shoes to fill, although I'm sure they'll make sure they
do. He set an example that should endure.

Keven, salud!!!

On Monday, October 19, 2015, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Good luck with your next adventure, Keven with the most excellent spelling
> of that name.
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[RBW] Re: Flat pedal shoes

[Frank Brose]

Another vote for Five Ten. I have been wearing these for 4 years. For 
everything. Still going strong. Comfortable. Yada, Yada, Yada.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/five-ten-dirtbag-low-shoes/rp-prod118555

On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 8:49:56 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:

> What's a good choice for functional cycling shoes for flat pedals that 
> look like cycling shoes (not like oxfords or Birkenstocks)? 
>
> Asking for a friend. 
>
> Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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[RBW] Re: Clem Geometry

[iamkeith]

If the standover works for you, I think you're golden.  Me, I'm still 
worrying.  Since they're shipping out in just a few days, this will by my 
last obsessive, worry-driven, over-analysis.  Looking at the Clem and Hunq 
charts together again, I just noticed something else.  Based on the 
standover heights alone (which is the starting point in the normal process 
of selecting a Rivendell bike), the sizes of these TWO MODELS COMBINED work 
out very well in increments such that there is no overlap. Given all the 
other similarities, its almost as if they're designed to work together:

- *45 Clem* (74.9cm)
 >  1.6cm delta
- 48 Hunq (76.5cm)
 >  2.6cm
- 51 Hunq (79.1cm)
 >  1.7cm
- *52 Clem* (80.8cm)
 >  2.0cm
- 54 Hunq (82.8cm)

 >  3.9cm

- 58 Hunq (86.7cm)
 >  1.6cm
- 5*9 Clem* (88.3cm)
 >  2.3cm
- 62 Hunq (90.6cm)

My size, of course,  falls squarely in the middle of the *BIG* gap, between 
the 54 and 58 Hunqapillars.   (Which is also squarely between the 52 and 59 
Clems.)   Other bike models that happen to share a mysteriously-missing 
size, at the exact same increment, are the  XO-1 (57cm) and a Atlantis 
(59.5cm).   You know how, in the Clem Brochure, Grant said that there's 
this weird, cosmic thing happening between Rivendell and Shimano, whereby 
if they really like something it is sure to be discontinued?  Well, there's 
this weird cosmic thing happening between me and Grant whereby the bikes 
he's designed, that I am most attracted to, don't really come in my size.

On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 10:29:17 PM UTC-6, Tim Wood wrote:

> Keith, great analysis. I have to admit, I thought I had a good grasp on 
> fit and geometry charts, but can honestly say that I have I no idea how 
> front centre translates to ride and fit. I come from a road background and 
> always based my sizing on tt length and head tube (a little thought was put 
> in to ht/st angles but again I didn't know how they translated).  For years 
> I have been under the assumption that I needed a 57/58cm tt and that's 
> that. So the thought of a 64cm tt is a lot to wrap my head around. 
>
> Like you said,I'm going to trust in the process and method and hope it all 
> works out (gulp). What reassures me is the comparison you make between a 59 
> Clem and a 58 hunq being close in size and fit. I'm not sure why this 
> reassures me cuz I've never ridden a 58 hunq, but I feel like if I were to 
> buy one I'd buy a 58. Yikes. 
>
> Anyway, not gonna stress about it, just gonna open that box when it gets 
> here and ride off in to the sunset with my bars high.and hope that I 
> can reach them. 
>
> Tim
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Estimating My Wife's PBH

[iamkeith]

If it helps as a frame of reference, my wife is between  5'-4" and 5'-5", 
and also describes herself as having a long torso.   Her PBH is 75.6" (29 
3/4").  She rides a 50cm Rambouillet and feels like it fits her perfect.  
I'd personally put her on a 51cm, though.  Slightly more than a fist-full 
of seatpost right now.   (That bike was from the era when Riv models were 
offered in many more size increments.  )

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 7:21:39 AM UTC-6, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of surprising my wife with a Rivendell for Christmas, but 
> can't ask her to measure her PBH for fear that she'll figure out why.  
> She's 5'6" and slightly long in the torso; is there a woman in the group 
> with a similar build who whose PBH I can borrow?
> Many thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: [RBW] Flat pedal shoes

[Eric Norris]

To all:

Thanks for all of the suggestions. After looking around, I’m going to try these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/311466279259?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 

They look like they’ll meet my needs, and the price on eBay is 70% below MSRP.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:
> 
> +1 on the Red Wing Chukkas.  Picked up a factory irregular pair really cheap. 
>  Unfortunately, they are black, designed for the USPS so they'd probably look 
> a bit dorky with shorts other than a mailman's uniform.  Been using them for 
> work (not at the USPS).  They are perfect with my thin gripster pedals.  Took 
> a week or two of regular use to break in but are now incredibly comfortable 
> for all around use.  Very supportive.  When I need some tan shoes, I'm 
> probably going to pony up the $250+ for a new pair... and I got married in 
> $40 shoes!
> 
> I also wear Scarpa Mystic Lites for regular cycling.  Pretty sturdy sole but 
> the outsole may be a little too hiking boot-ish for pedals.  I may look at 
> the Scarpa Crux next time if the outsole is less deep.  They both go on sale 
> whenever they alter the color a little which saves a few bucks.  They also 
> fit a slightly wider foot comfortably.
> 
> John
> 
> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 11:09:09 AM UTC-7, A. L Young wrote:
> In Portland it's almost illegal to ride in anything other than Redwing 
> Chukkas. ;) They are my go to shoe/boot for my on-bike adventures. Great for 
> off-bike and casual wear, too. Being leather, they are non-vegan if that 
> matters, but I'm pretty sure they are gluten-free.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Aaron "Not actually in Portland" Young
> The Dalles, OR 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 19, 2015, Avery Wilson  
> wrote:
> I've got 5-10 freeriders. I use them almost exclusively for single-track 
> style mountain biking with VP vice pedals. They're stiff and stick to the 
> pedals really really well. I didn't like them as much for long road rides 
> because they were actually *too* stiff for me and started hurting my feet.
> 
> Recap -  great for aggressive, technical mountain biking, not so much for 
> rambling country rides. I just use casual shoes like Chaco sandles or Keen 
> low tops for that.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Avery
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[RBW] FS: Medium Grey Sackville Saddle bag new

[Philip Kim]

Hello,

Selling new Grey Sackville Saddlebag. Haven't had a chance to use it. My 
basket has been good carrying a lot of weight up front.

Sitting on the shelf. Does $200 shipped sound fair?

Thanks,

Phil

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[RBW] Low rider front rack for Sam Hillborne?

[Kainalu]

I have a black Tara rack and it's great. My Hillborne didn't have the 
appropriate braze-on for it but the tubus clamp mounts are bombproof.
-Kai
Brooklyn 

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Esteban]

Wonderful person. Happy to know him. Delighted he'll work closer to family.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> Just read the newsletter, I see that Keven is moving on to different 
> pastures, just wanted to take a moment to publicly acknowledge that he is 
> one of the nicest people I have ever come across in my life, and played a 
> huge part in my uber-positive Riv experience, and I'll miss calling him to 
> ask about things like "why won't these cranks fit this bike?" and other 
> marginalia that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.
>
> I'll send him a note personally, but thought it might be nice to have a 
> little public thing here to recognize his part in the great Riv world.  
>
> Go Kev Go!  
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Geometry

[iamkeith]

If the standover works for you, I think you're golden.  Me, I'm still 
worrying.  Since they're shipping out in just a few days, this will by my 
last obsessive, worry-driven, over-analysis.  Looking at the Clem and Hunq 
charts together again, I just noticed something else.  Based on the 
standover heights alone (which is the starting point in the normal process 
of selecting a Rivendell bike), the sizes of these TWO MODELS COMBINED work 
out very well in increments such that there is no overlap:

- *45 Clem* (74.9cm)
 >  1.6cm delta
- 48 Hunq (76.5cm)
 >  2.6cm
- 51 Hunq (79.1cm)
 >  1.7cm
- *52 Clem* (80.8cm)
 >  2.0cm
- 54 Hunq (82.8cm)

 >  3.9cm

- 58 Hunq (86.7cm)
 >  1.6cm
- 5*9 Clem* (88.3cm)
 >  2.3cm
- 62 Hunq (90.6cm)

My size, of course,  falls squarely in the middle of the *BIG* gap, between 
the 54 and 56 Hunqapillars.   (Which is also squarely between the 52 and 59 
Clems.)   Other bike models that happen to share a mysteriously-missing 
size, at the exact same increment, are the  XO-1 (57cm) and a Atlantis 
(59.5cm).   You know how, in the Clem Brochure, Grant said that there's 
this weird, cosmic thing happening between Rivendell and Shimano, whereby 
if they really like something it is sure to be discontinued?  Well, there's 
this weird cosmic thing happening between me and Grant whereby the bikes 
he's designed, that I am most attracted to, don't really come in my size.



On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 10:29:17 PM UTC-6, Tim Wood wrote:

> Keith, great analysis. I have to admit, I thought I had a good grasp on 
> fit and geometry charts, but can honestly say that I have I no idea how 
> front centre translates to ride and fit. I come from a road background and 
> always based my sizing on tt length and head tube (a little thought was put 
> in to ht/st angles but again I didn't know how they translated).  For years 
> I have been under the assumption that I needed a 57/58cm tt and that's 
> that. So the thought of a 64cm tt is a lot to wrap my head around. 
>
> Like you said,I'm going to trust in the process and method and hope it all 
> works out (gulp). What reassures me is the comparison you make between a 59 
> Clem and a 58 hunq being close in size and fit. I'm not sure why this 
> reassures me cuz I've never ridden a 58 hunq, but I feel like if I were to 
> buy one I'd buy a 58. Yikes. 
>
> Anyway, not gonna stress about it, just gonna open that box when it gets 
> here and ride off in to the sunset with my bars high.and hope that I 
> can reach them. 
>
> Tim
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Flat pedal shoes

[Surlyprof]

+1 on the Red Wing Chukkas.  Picked up a factory irregular pair really 
cheap.  Unfortunately, they are black, designed for the USPS so they'd 
probably look a bit dorky with shorts other than a mailman's uniform.  Been 
using them for work (not at the USPS).  They are perfect with my thin 
gripster pedals.  Took a week or two of regular use to break in but are now 
incredibly comfortable for all around use.  Very supportive.  When I need 
some tan shoes, I'm probably going to pony up the $250+ for a new pair... 
and I got married in $40 shoes!

I also wear Scarpa Mystic Lites for regular cycling.  Pretty sturdy sole 
but the outsole may be a little too hiking boot-ish for pedals.  I may look 
at the Scarpa Crux next time if the outsole is less deep.  They both go on 
sale whenever they alter the color a little which saves a few bucks.  They 
also fit a slightly wider foot comfortably.

John

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 11:09:09 AM UTC-7, A. L Young wrote:
>
> In Portland it's almost illegal to ride in anything other than Redwing 
> Chukkas. ;) They are my go to shoe/boot for my on-bike adventures. Great 
> for off-bike and casual wear, too. Being leather, they are non-vegan if 
> that matters, but I'm pretty sure they are gluten-free.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aaron "Not actually in Portland" Young
> The Dalles, OR 
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2015, Avery Wilson  
> wrote:
>
>> I've got 5-10 freeriders. I use them almost exclusively for single-track 
>> style mountain biking with VP vice pedals. They're stiff and stick to the 
>> pedals really really well. I didn't like them as much for long road rides 
>> because they were actually *too* stiff for me and started hurting my feet.
>>
>> Recap -  great for aggressive, technical mountain biking, not so much for 
>> rambling country rides. I just use casual shoes like Chaco sandles or Keen 
>> low tops for that.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Avery
>>
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Re: [RBW] Keven

[Montclair BobbyB]

Second that... Keven has made my experiences with Rivendell that much 
better.  Thank you, Keven... I hope that you'll remain part of this forum 
and no stranger to the Riv community.  Best of luck! BB

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 10:20:34 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> For me, Keven is RBW. While there are many other helpful and nice people 
> at RBW, Keven defined my experience there. Always helpful, always answering 
> my questions with a smile, always providing that extra touch to make my 
> experience there worth the 45 minute drive. No question was ever boring, 
> dumb or silly. I haven't been there in a couple of years, but I will miss 
> him next time I go. 
>
> The team has big shoes to fill, although I'm sure they'll make sure they 
> do. He set an example that should endure. 
>
> Keven, salud!!!
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2015, Joe Bernard  
> wrote:
>
>> Good luck with your next adventure, Keven with the most excellent 
>> spelling of that name.
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[RBW] Re: Keven

[dstein]

Keven was very quick to reply to emails, easy going, and provided all 
around great customer service throughout my many visits and phone calls to 
Rivendell. He was especially super patient while I pestered about the 
status of my Hunqapillar order over the eternal 3 month wait on the frame, 
as well as during a later Cheviot build. I just looked at his profile on 
the staff directory and can't believe he's been there since 2005, that's a 
long run to work anywhere in this day it seems. Good luck!

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[RBW] Low rider front rack for Sam Hillborne?

[Conway Bennett]

I have panniers I want to use more but don't want the weight of a rear rack as 
I have rarely use them when I have had them so I want some inconspicuous 
lowrider front rack, at least I think I do. 

I like the original salsa down under rack but it's not available anymore or 
anywhere but I am also considering the tubus duo but it's pricey and can be 
hard to get in the states.  HAR is even more expensive and designed for the 
proprietary sackville bags so it is low on my list.  

What do people use or have used with success and may want to offload?

Thanks in advance!

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Pondero]

Here's the cool thing about Keven for me.  He not only makes my experience 
at RBW wonderful, he inspires me (old enough that I should be the example) 
to be a better person.  Thank you, Keven, for your powerful influence for 
good.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Low rider front rack for Sam Hillborne?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/20/2015 01:05 PM, Conway Bennett wrote:

I like the original salsa down under rack but it's not available anymore or 
anywhere but I am also considering the tubus duo but it's pricey and can be 
hard to get in the states.  HAR is even more expensive and designed for the 
proprietary sackville bags so it is low on my list.




If you have the appropriate mounts for the Tubus Duo that's the obvious 
rack to get.  In fact, aren't Duo rack mounts unique and specific to 
that rack?  If you have ordinarly low rider mounts, the Tubus Tara is 
the one to get, in my opinion.  I got mine, painted silver, from a 
supplier in the UK.  Only black ones are imported to the US.


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[RBW] Re: Estimating My Wife's PBH

[Will]

It's somewhere near 80 cm. The 53 Atlantis has a 78.9cm standover and that 
works well really well. I have a little clearance, but not much. The 54.5 
would be very tight for me. 

I would call Riv and get someone to walk you through converting saddle 
height to the numbers they need. With their shift to sloping top tubes I 
think the fit range is more flexible. I suspeect the real issue is 
determing what bar you want and getting the frame sized to handle that bar. 
Riv tops tubes are quite long. My stem for Albastaches is 6 cm. That 
suggests I've pretty much maxed frame size. 

The other question you have is cargo function. If you get a frame that 
skews big, but still fits standover needs, you will have lower seat 
placement, which is definitely not a riding problem, unless you want to run 
saddle bags. Saddle bags need room to hang. My hang space is short. My 
solution was to install a Tubus rack and pannier. I am quite pleased with 
that alternative. I would never trade it for a saddlebag at this point. 
It's more utilitarian. I can hang and remove the pannier in about 5 
seconds. That makes the setup very useful for shopping, commuting, and 
parking in public places where you don't want to leave a $200 bag on the 
bike.

I've owned frames sized small for me. Going bigger is better, IMO. The bike 
is more stable. The ride quality is better, smoother.  

I've seen a Hilborne in the wild. It is a beautiful frame. I can't say it's 
less well constructed than an Atlantis. It is very good. My complaint with 
Hlborne is 650B (vs 26" on Atlantis) and lack of canti-posts. I really like 
the tire selection Atlantis enjoys. And I really like cantilever or linear 
pull brakes. Like I mentioned up-thread, I'd be inclined to wait for 
Appaloosa. A Hilborne quality bike with better clearance and cantis would 
be absolutely awesome. 

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 8:14:50 AM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Will -
> What's your PBH?  
> Funny thing about the Riv specs is that I often can't find them on the new 
> website, at least, those specs having to do with sizing.  Given the 
> critical importance of sizing, it could be that they want you to call and 
> chat about it rather than use (and, possibly, misunderstand) a chart.
> Who knows?
> Kevin
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 8:17:46 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>>
>> +1 on using current bike to determine fit. Should be very accurate. If it 
>> helps, I am 5'6". also longer torso, shorter legs. My 53 cm Atlantis fits 
>> like a glove. Check the specs on the Riv site. You won't be too far off. 
>>
>> I'd recommend you get her some bikey things for the holidays, maybe a 
>> nice rack and pannier system, a Brooks saddle, a generator wheelset with 
>> good lights, you have lots of options... wait for the Appaloosa spring 
>> 2016. It's looking like a Hillborne with more tire clearance and 
>> canti-posts. That would be the perfect bike. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 8:58:54 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>> Does she have a bike now that fits pretty well? If so, get her saddle 
>>> height, and you'll be all set. 
>>>
>>> If you're going wtih Cheviot, I think 55cm is probably going to-be the 
>>> recommendation. Level top-tube bikes could be more difficult to guess a 
>>> good fit.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> Shoji
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 9:21:39 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:

 I'm thinking of surprising my wife with a Rivendell for Christmas, but 
 can't ask her to measure her PBH for fear that she'll figure out why.  
 She's 5'6" and slightly long in the torso; is there a woman in the group 
 with a similar build who whose PBH I can borrow?
 Many thanks,
 Kevin

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Low rider front rack for Sam Hillborne?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Feel confident ordering directly from Germany. I've bought from Bike24 
twice, no drama, no hassle.

http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=13=tubus+tara

Returns are probably a non-starter, but you could probably re-sell with 
minimal depreciation. 


On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 10:05:11 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I have panniers I want to use more but don't want the weight of a rear 
> rack as I have rarely use them when I have had them so I want some 
> inconspicuous lowrider front rack, at least I think I do. 
>
> I like the original salsa down under rack but it's not available anymore 
> or anywhere but I am also considering the tubus duo but it's pricey and can 
> be hard to get in the states.  HAR is even more expensive and designed for 
> the proprietary sackville bags so it is low on my list.  
>
> What do people use or have used with success and may want to offload?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Bill Lindsay]

If it were me, I would probably choose between the racks Riv sells.  If I 
was going to use the rear rack as a saddlebag support and random whatever 
items, I would go with the Pletscher.  If I was going to run full panniers, 
I'd pony up for the Nitto Longboy Longstay.   

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 2:32:27 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> With regards to the geometry of the Clem, particularly the chain stay 
> length, does anyone anticipate trouble fitting a rear rack on their Clem? 
>  I'm thinking that because of the extra chain stay length, any rear rack 
> mounting would be a bit more unwieldily, having more sway.  Thoughts?
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 10:22:31 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> Hello folks,
>> I am contemplating some racks for my upcoming Clem, and I'd love to get 
>> recommendations for some economic, hard working front and rear racks.  Up 
>> until now, my sights were set on the Pletscher rack from Riv.  But after 
>> some looking around, this one from Velo Orange caught my eye: Dajia 
>> Cycleworks Stainless Steel Rear Expedition Rack 
>> .
>>  
>>  Anyone ever use this?  Only $20 more than the Pletscher, and stainless 
>> steel to boot!  Alas, there is no matching front rack, but the VO 
>> Constructeur Front Rack 
>> 
>>  seems 
>> nice.  I really like the VO Porteur Rack 
>> ,
>>  
>> but it is a little pricey.  Also, given that the Clem has (I am assuming 
>> here) a mid-to-high trail fork, is it practical to put so much load on the 
>> front?  Does "low trail = big front load" imply "high trail = mostly rear 
>> load"?  I would be using this mainly for errand running and grocery 
>> getting.  No long tours planned, but the racks should be applicable for 
>> that as well.  Has anyone else considered how best to rack and load the 
>> Clem or Clementine?  I'd love to hear thoughts, suggestions, etc.  Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Edwin W]

As many of you Riv-obsessed folks know, one of the most important things 
about a good visit to Riv is that your partner enjoys it. Keven whipped up 
some espresso for my wife when we visited and she left with a better taste 
of Riv, literally and figuratively. Not that she wants me to buy as many 
bikes as I would like, but a better taste, for sure!

Thanks for that, Keven,

Edwin

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 5:17:16 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote:
>
> Just read the newsletter, I see that Keven is moving on to different 
> pastures, just wanted to take a moment to publicly acknowledge that he is 
> one of the nicest people I have ever come across in my life, and played a 
> huge part in my uber-positive Riv experience, and I'll miss calling him to 
> ask about things like "why won't these cranks fit this bike?" and other 
> marginalia that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.
>
> I'll send him a note personally, but thought it might be nice to have a 
> little public thing here to recognize his part in the great Riv world.  
>
> Go Kev Go!  
>

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Wayne Naha]

With regards to the geometry of the Clem, particularly the chain stay 
length, does anyone anticipate trouble fitting a rear rack on their Clem? 
 I'm thinking that because of the extra chain stay length, any rear rack 
mounting would be a bit more unwieldily, having more sway.  Thoughts?

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 10:22:31 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
> I am contemplating some racks for my upcoming Clem, and I'd love to get 
> recommendations for some economic, hard working front and rear racks.  Up 
> until now, my sights were set on the Pletscher rack from Riv.  But after 
> some looking around, this one from Velo Orange caught my eye: Dajia 
> Cycleworks Stainless Steel Rear Expedition Rack 
> .
>  
>  Anyone ever use this?  Only $20 more than the Pletscher, and stainless 
> steel to boot!  Alas, there is no matching front rack, but the VO 
> Constructeur Front Rack 
> 
>  seems 
> nice.  I really like the VO Porteur Rack 
> ,
>  
> but it is a little pricey.  Also, given that the Clem has (I am assuming 
> here) a mid-to-high trail fork, is it practical to put so much load on the 
> front?  Does "low trail = big front load" imply "high trail = mostly rear 
> load"?  I would be using this mainly for errand running and grocery 
> getting.  No long tours planned, but the racks should be applicable for 
> that as well.  Has anyone else considered how best to rack and load the 
> Clem or Clementine?  I'd love to hear thoughts, suggestions, etc.  Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Low rider front rack for Sam Hillborne?

[Kelly]

I use stand lowrider racks from tubes on the Atlantis, AHH and same trick 
works on the Hilbourne..  I bought the door hinge strap whatever the hell 
it is for 89 cents for 4 I think here it is mounted... 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/22313085446/in/dateposted-public/

Note it's been running this way for 4 years and hasn't been a problem.  

Kelly

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 12:05:11 PM UTC-5, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I have panniers I want to use more but don't want the weight of a rear 
> rack as I have rarely use them when I have had them so I want some 
> inconspicuous lowrider front rack, at least I think I do. 
>
> I like the original salsa down under rack but it's not available anymore 
> or anywhere but I am also considering the tubus duo but it's pricey and can 
> be hard to get in the states.  HAR is even more expensive and designed for 
> the proprietary sackville bags so it is low on my list.  
>
> What do people use or have used with success and may want to offload?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Eddie Flayer]

where is he going next?

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
>
> Just read the newsletter, I see that Keven is moving on to different 
> pastures, just wanted to take a moment to publicly acknowledge that he is 
> one of the nicest people I have ever come across in my life, and played a 
> huge part in my uber-positive Riv experience, and I'll miss calling him to 
> ask about things like "why won't these cranks fit this bike?" and other 
> marginalia that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.
>
> I'll send him a note personally, but thought it might be nice to have a 
> little public thing here to recognize his part in the great Riv world.  
>
> Go Kev Go!  
>

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Fullylugged]

Keven was my 1st contact at RBW world Hqs. He guided me on my Ram purchase, and 
over 12,000 miles later, I haven't found him to have been wrong. Nice guy, and 
I'm happy to say I steered some other riders his way when I could. Hope to hear 
news of him bike related or not, as he pedals the next route of his career.

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[RBW] Re: Low rider front rack for Sam Hillborne?

[John Hawrylak]

Have you looked at Bruce Gordon??  The front rack seems well made.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 1:05:11 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:

> I have panniers I want to use more but don't want the weight of a rear 
> rack as I have rarely use them when I have had them so I want some 
> inconspicuous lowrider front rack, at least I think I do. 
>
> I like the original salsa down under rack but it's not available anymore 
> or anywhere but I am also considering the tubus duo but it's pricey and can 
> be hard to get in the states.  HAR is even more expensive and designed for 
> the proprietary sackville bags so it is low on my list.  
>
> What do people use or have used with success and may want to offload?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Tim Wood]

I was wondering that too Wayne.  In looking at the most recent photos on the 
blug it appears they've added a lower braze-on a couple inches north of the 
dropout which I assume would work for a rack stay. This would effectively bring 
the rack inboard, accounting for the longer stays. 

Not sure about the plescher rack. What really would you put in a rat trap? I 
can see it being handy for a jacket or a u-lock but that stuff can go in the 
front basket. 

Tim

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[RBW] Re: Low rider front rack for Sam Hillborne?

[dougP]

Check with Wayne at The Touring Store:  
http://www.thetouringstore.com/index.htm   I use the Duo on my Atlantis & 
like it a lot.  I'm not sure Tubus adapter works with the Duo.  It's 
intended for a mid fork eyelet a specific dimension above the fork eyelet.  
However, I've mounted mine to hourglass eyelets just below the canti posts, 
with the lower mount to the fork via a P-clamp.  This raises the panniers 
enough that I can run my large Ortleibs up front.  

dougP

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 10:05:11 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I have panniers I want to use more but don't want the weight of a rear 
> rack as I have rarely use them when I have had them so I want some 
> inconspicuous lowrider front rack, at least I think I do. 
>
> I like the original salsa down under rack but it's not available anymore 
> or anywhere but I am also considering the tubus duo but it's pricey and can 
> be hard to get in the states.  HAR is even more expensive and designed for 
> the proprietary sackville bags so it is low on my list.  
>
> What do people use or have used with success and may want to offload?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Medium Grey Sackville Saddle bag new

[Philip Kim]

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassm-gr.htm

That is the specific model and size

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[RBW] Re: FS XL Rivendells

[Abcyclehank]

List members thanks to all of you who have contacted me off list or via phone 
to receive complete disclosure and details about any of the bikes mentioned FS.

Like many other previous sellers--I will provide a discount to any list member 
who ends up with one of my Rivendells. It is simply the way to pay it forward 
towards all the great individual I have met, ridden with, bought from, sold to, 
or traded with.

Julian- if you have any suggestions for me or other sellers I suggest you 
contact myself or them off list.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson

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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[Wayne Naha]

Yeah, I just noticed those as well.  They probably do mitigate the issue. 
 I'm just as glad not to have to buy a Nitto.  As lovely as they are, the 
price is out of my league.

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 6:42:37 PM UTC-4, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> I was wondering that too Wayne.  In looking at the most recent photos on 
> the blug it appears they've added a lower braze-on a couple inches north of 
> the dropout which I assume would work for a rack stay. This would 
> effectively bring the rack inboard, accounting for the longer stays. 
>
> Not sure about the plescher rack. What really would you put in a rat trap? 
> I can see it being handy for a jacket or a u-lock but that stuff can go in 
> the front basket. 
>
> Tim
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS XL Rivendells

[James Warren]

If I were in the market for a frame or bike, I wouldn't hesitate to buy from 
Ryan.

- Jim W.


On Oct 20, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Abcyclehank wrote:

> List members thanks to all of you who have contacted me off list or via phone 
> to receive complete disclosure and details about any of the bikes mentioned 
> FS.
> 
> Like many other previous sellers--I will provide a discount to any list 
> member who ends up with one of my Rivendells. It is simply the way to pay it 
> forward towards all the great individual I have met, ridden with, bought 
> from, sold to, or traded with.
> 
> Julian- if you have any suggestions for me or other sellers I suggest you 
> contact myself or them off list.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
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[RBW] Re: Racks for the Clem

[drew]

Wife's clem proto came with a pletscher rack, and I replaced it with a 
racktime. No issues in terms of fit.

Now if I could just figure out why the pletscher isn't  fitting on my 700c 
sam

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS XL Rivendells

[Julian]

Jim, that's good to know -- thanks. 

Ryan,  I'm sort of confused as to what you're offering and at what price, 
and I might not be the only one -- I'm sorry if asking publicly is an issue 
-- I do not intend to offend, merely to understand.

You say you offer a list discount -- that's great and certainly a nice 
thing to offer -- I've done similar on this and the Bob-list for the same 
reasons. You listed it here for $400 more than your buy it now on eBay. Is 
the listed price here not correct? What is the actual Riv-list asking 
price, then -- less than $2000? And is that for a complete bike, as your 
initial post here indicated, or for a bike with some parts missing and 
other possible issues, as seen on eBay? 

Thanks, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 8:20:03 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> If I were in the market for a frame or bike, I wouldn't hesitate to buy 
> from Ryan.
>
> - Jim W.
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> List members thanks to all of you who have contacted me off list or via 
> phone to receive complete disclosure and details about any of the bikes 
> mentioned FS.
>
> Like many other previous sellers--I will provide a discount to any list 
> member who ends up with one of my Rivendells. It is simply the way to pay 
> it forward towards all the great individual I have met, ridden with, bought 
> from, sold to, or traded with.
>
> Julian- if you have any suggestions for me or other sellers I suggest you 
> contact myself or them off list.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ryan Hankinson
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[RBW] Clementine tire size?

[Reid]

OK, I see that the max tire size on the chart is 60. Does anyone know what 
size the bikes will have as delivered?

Thanks!

Reid

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[RBW] Re: Clem Geometry

[Tim Wood]

That's a strange and curious pattern for sure. Curious as I feel that big gap 
would be a very common and popular size for the average sized male (5'9-6'1). 

What is a good amount of stand over anyway? If the 59 Clem with 700x60's has an 
88cm stand over and I have a 90 pbh in bare feet, I think I'm in for a snug 
relationship with my top tube. Luckily I ride in fairly thick soled shoes (keen 
sandals and blundstone boots). I ride mostly road and trail, nothing super 
technical so I feel good about my choice. But as you say, it would be nice if 
there was a size in the middle. 

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[RBW] Re: Keven

[Dennis Hogan]

+1 on Keven - he is very chill. I last interacted with him on a visit to 
BB a couple weekends ago. He helped me conceptualize a new cockpit for my 
Homer based on a test ride on a Hunquapillar that Roman had set up for me. 
And he gave me a BB pin when I said that I got the last free Rivelo patch 
from John for being the 10th visitor to the new store in Portland.

I first met Keven when I picked up my first and only riv - a AHH - in Oct 
of 2010. It was a 65cm and apparenty he was the only one long enought to 
ride and configure it for me.

I was in a similar place many years ago with two young kids and needing a 
different work context - it was a tough choice but one that worked out. 
Hope it does for Keven as well.

Dennis in PDX 

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 3:17:16 PM UTC-7, Zack wrote:
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> Just read the newsletter, I see that Keven is moving on to different 
> pastures, just wanted to take a moment to publicly acknowledge that he is 
> one of the nicest people I have ever come across in my life, and played a 
> huge part in my uber-positive Riv experience, and I'll miss calling him to 
> ask about things like "why won't these cranks fit this bike?" and other 
> marginalia that most people are smart enough to figure out on their own.
>
> I'll send him a note personally, but thought it might be nice to have a 
> little public thing here to recognize his part in the great Riv world.  
>
> Go Kev Go!  
>

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[RBW] Keven

[Lynne Fitz]

Thank you Keven for helping me get my Bleriot repaired after it was mangled in 
a crash!  You were helpful in letting me know all the options, finding a 
replacement fork, and just generally being wonderful!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Estimating My Wife's PBH

[Kevin Lindsey]

No problem with well-intentioned lies.  However, after 30+ years of 
marriage, my ability to trick my wife into anything is pretty much 
non-existent.
I'll estimate her PBH based on her current bike.
All the best,
Kevin

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 7:20:56 PM UTC-4, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> Is tricking her out of the question?  Can you get a friend to convince her 
> that he/she needs assistance picking out a bike for the friend's 
> significant other.  Find someone with similar proportions.  
>
> Well intentioned lies are ok, right?
>
> Matt Beecher
> Oswego, IL
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Estimating My Wife's PBH

[Kevin Lindsey]

Will -
What's your PBH?  
Funny thing about the Riv specs is that I often can't find them on the new 
website, at least, those specs having to do with sizing.  Given the 
critical importance of sizing, it could be that they want you to call and 
chat about it rather than use (and, possibly, misunderstand) a chart.
Who knows?
Kevin

On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 8:17:46 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:
>
> +1 on using current bike to determine fit. Should be very accurate. If it 
> helps, I am 5'6". also longer torso, shorter legs. My 53 cm Atlantis fits 
> like a glove. Check the specs on the Riv site. You won't be too far off. 
>
> I'd recommend you get her some bikey things for the holidays, maybe a nice 
> rack and pannier system, a Brooks saddle, a generator wheelset with good 
> lights, you have lots of options... wait for the Appaloosa spring 2016. 
> It's looking like a Hillborne with more tire clearance and canti-posts. 
> That would be the perfect bike. 
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 8:58:54 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kevin,
>> Does she have a bike now that fits pretty well? If so, get her saddle 
>> height, and you'll be all set. 
>>
>> If you're going wtih Cheviot, I think 55cm is probably going to-be the 
>> recommendation. Level top-tube bikes could be more difficult to guess a 
>> good fit.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Shoji
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 9:21:39 AM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of surprising my wife with a Rivendell for Christmas, but 
>>> can't ask her to measure her PBH for fear that she'll figure out why.  
>>> She's 5'6" and slightly long in the torso; is there a woman in the group 
>>> with a similar build who whose PBH I can borrow?
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>

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