[RBW] Whatever else people feel about the long bikes...

[Zed Martinez]

They certainly rock in the snow and ice. Winter finally decided to show up 
here in Indianapolis so I took the fenders off and threw the knobbies on 
the Clem this weekend. Today was the first commute in the bad weather 
(which in my case means basically a straight mile of unplowed, unsalted 
bumpy ice through the local neighborhoods until I hit the trail)... and 
man, the Clem was a much better ride for it than my previous entries. In 
the past I've leaned mostly on my Felt hybrid with its aluminum frame and 
disc brakes with some 35mm Schwalbe Winter Marathons, but, it was always a 
terrifying white knuckle adventure in riding the bumps and hoping the rear 
wheel didn't decide to kick out from under me while following a rut. Even 
with just regular knobbies (the cheaper versions of Continental's Mountain 
King II what that were the only 650b mountain tires in town...), the Clem 
handled everything much more casually and, importantly, much less 
terrifyingly. I can speak for any other Rivs, this being my first, but it 
really felt like the long wheelbase was definitely helping me out today. I 
was notably less likely to get stuck at the mercy of a rut, and the one 
time I hit a slick patch and the bike started to slide I put my inboard 
foot down (like I always do to be ready to walk off the bike as it goes 
down), and hitting the ground with it was enough to knock the bike back 
upright and reset the rear wheel.The bike regained its balance instantly 
and rolled smoothly on back on a straight track. I've had worse 
experiences, for sure. I also have to say, whatever they toted merits, I'm 
increasingly convinced I won't be going back to disc brakes anytime soon. 
On the Felt I had to ride only the front brake because if I touched the 
rear one even lightly it was enough to slide the rear wheel out (Avid 
mechanicals or Shimano hydraulics both). With the cantis on the Clem I 
never felt like I was lacking stopping when I was on the cleared roads, but 
I had enough modulation to use either judiciously while I was on the icy 
stretch and it made things a lot less worrisome for it.

And, because pictures rock, obligatory "It's 7ºF, why are you taking a 
picture?" picture.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/zedmartinez/23697977403/in/album-72157661103966564/

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[RBW] Re: Whatever else people feel about the long bikes...

[Bill Lindsay]

Looks right at home.  Very well done.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 4:22:43 PM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> They certainly rock in the snow and ice. Winter finally decided to show up 
> here in Indianapolis so I took the fenders off and threw the knobbies on 
> the Clem this weekend. Today was the first commute in the bad weather 
> (which in my case means basically a straight mile of unplowed, unsalted 
> bumpy ice through the local neighborhoods until I hit the trail)... and 
> man, the Clem was a much better ride for it than my previous entries. In 
> the past I've leaned mostly on my Felt hybrid with its aluminum frame and 
> disc brakes with some 35mm Schwalbe Winter Marathons, but, it was always a 
> terrifying white knuckle adventure in riding the bumps and hoping the rear 
> wheel didn't decide to kick out from under me while following a rut. Even 
> with just regular knobbies (the cheaper versions of Continental's Mountain 
> King II what that were the only 650b mountain tires in town...), the Clem 
> handled everything much more casually and, importantly, much less 
> terrifyingly. I can speak for any other Rivs, this being my first, but it 
> really felt like the long wheelbase was definitely helping me out today. I 
> was notably less likely to get stuck at the mercy of a rut, and the one 
> time I hit a slick patch and the bike started to slide I put my inboard 
> foot down (like I always do to be ready to walk off the bike as it goes 
> down), and hitting the ground with it was enough to knock the bike back 
> upright and reset the rear wheel.The bike regained its balance instantly 
> and rolled smoothly on back on a straight track. I've had worse 
> experiences, for sure. I also have to say, whatever they toted merits, I'm 
> increasingly convinced I won't be going back to disc brakes anytime soon. 
> On the Felt I had to ride only the front brake because if I touched the 
> rear one even lightly it was enough to slide the rear wheel out (Avid 
> mechanicals or Shimano hydraulics both). With the cantis on the Clem I 
> never felt like I was lacking stopping when I was on the cleared roads, but 
> I had enough modulation to use either judiciously while I was on the icy 
> stretch and it made things a lot less worrisome for it.
>
> And, because pictures rock, obligatory "It's 7ºF, why are you taking a 
> picture?" picture.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/zedmartinez/23697977403/in/album-72157661103966564/
>

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[RBW] Re: Whatever else people feel about the long bikes...

[George Schick]

Zed - some of those pics look an awfully lot like sections of the Monon and 
Fall Creek Parkway Trails...

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 6:22:43 PM UTC-6, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> They certainly rock in the snow and ice. Winter finally decided to show up 
> here in Indianapolis so I took the fenders off and threw the knobbies on 
> the Clem this weekend. Today was the first commute in the bad weather 
> (which in my case means basically a straight mile of unplowed, unsalted 
> bumpy ice through the local neighborhoods until I hit the trail)... and 
> man, the Clem was a much better ride for it than my previous entries. In 
> the past I've leaned mostly on my Felt hybrid with its aluminum frame and 
> disc brakes with some 35mm Schwalbe Winter Marathons, but, it was always a 
> terrifying white knuckle adventure in riding the bumps and hoping the rear 
> wheel didn't decide to kick out from under me while following a rut. Even 
> with just regular knobbies (the cheaper versions of Continental's Mountain 
> King II what that were the only 650b mountain tires in town...), the Clem 
> handled everything much more casually and, importantly, much less 
> terrifyingly. I can speak for any other Rivs, this being my first, but it 
> really felt like the long wheelbase was definitely helping me out today. I 
> was notably less likely to get stuck at the mercy of a rut, and the one 
> time I hit a slick patch and the bike started to slide I put my inboard 
> foot down (like I always do to be ready to walk off the bike as it goes 
> down), and hitting the ground with it was enough to knock the bike back 
> upright and reset the rear wheel.The bike regained its balance instantly 
> and rolled smoothly on back on a straight track. I've had worse 
> experiences, for sure. I also have to say, whatever they toted merits, I'm 
> increasingly convinced I won't be going back to disc brakes anytime soon. 
> On the Felt I had to ride only the front brake because if I touched the 
> rear one even lightly it was enough to slide the rear wheel out (Avid 
> mechanicals or Shimano hydraulics both). With the cantis on the Clem I 
> never felt like I was lacking stopping when I was on the cleared roads, but 
> I had enough modulation to use either judiciously while I was on the icy 
> stretch and it made things a lot less worrisome for it.
>
> And, because pictures rock, obligatory "It's 7ºF, why are you taking a 
> picture?" picture.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/zedmartinez/23697977403/in/album-72157661103966564/
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[EGNolan]

My best: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ericgnolan/albums/72157663268072692

Somehow I never posted my favorite biking adventure to the interwebs. List 
member Avery & I had a blast in the hills and valleys and flooded landscape 
of southern Indiana for most of a day. Covering lotsa landscapes, having 
too big of a lunch and capping the night off w/ a date w/ my wife see 
Gillian Welch in Bloomington. Anyway, it was a good year, here's to 16.

Best,
Eric

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[RBW] Re: Days are getting longer!

[Deacon Patrick]

Our winter is (hopefully) just getting started! Most of our snow arrives 
March and April. Though the ones in May tent to not stick around very long. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 2:20:05 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Well, I'm looking forward to Spring too, but we haven't really had Winter 
> here in the mid-Atlantic.  This morning was the first time this season that 
> I saw actual ice around outside, they are predicting that in the next few 
> days we MIGHT see some very light snow.  Believe me, I'm not complaining!
> Steve

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[RBW] Rivendell Custom and Bridgestone MB-1 For Sale

[flashman88]

I posted these bikes a while back, but have still not sold them. I am 
willing to take offers on both as we need to get rid of them.

>From the original post:

I am helping sell a few bike from my brother-in-laws estate. He was a bike 
builder and welder for many years in the Eugene area for Co-Motion. I am 
hoping to find a home for at least one of his bikes through this group, 
hopefully more. I have original paperwork for the build of the Rivendell 
from 1999. Here are the basic spec's on ea. bike and a link to a few 
pictures. I am in the Bay Area in Marin.
 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41683676@N07/
 

Rivendell 1999

custom built by Joe Stark with custom Joe Bell paint 56.5cm seat tube, 
55.5cm top tube. Brooks B17 saddle, Dura-ace shift and brakes! Chris King 
hubs and Head set.

 

Bridgestone

MB1 with custom fork& custom paint job! 19.5 inch frame, Chris King 
headset. XTR group, but with friction shifter on mustache bar!! Tubus rear 
rack
 
Thanks,
Dave

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks Eric,

Flickr is wonky on my phone so I'll watch the video on my home computer
later. Thanks for sharing. Stay dry my friend.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Jan 11, 2016 2:04 PM, "EGNolan"  wrote:

> My best: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ericgnolan/albums/72157663268072692
>
> Somehow I never posted my favorite biking adventure to the interwebs. List
> member Avery & I had a blast in the hills and valleys and flooded landscape
> of southern Indiana for most of a day. Covering lotsa landscapes, having
> too big of a lunch and capping the night off w/ a date w/ my wife see
> Gillian Welch in Bloomington. Anyway, it was a good year, here's to 16.
>
> Best,
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome! They make snorkels for this sort of adventure. Grin.
http://www.worldalternativegames.co.uk/news/view/archive/2011/november/article/world-alternative-games-2012/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 3:04:10 PM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
>
> List member Avery & I had a blast in the hills and valleys and flooded 
> landscape of southern Indiana for most of a day. 
>

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[RBW] More Clem completes in Web Specials

[Joe Bernard]

http://www.rivbike.com/Web-Specials-If-Any-s/54.htm

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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Philip Williamson]

Here are mine. Way less photos than previous years, so the culling was 
easy. 
I like this exercise in reviewing the year. Only about half of mine are 
biking related, and some aren't even photos, really.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/albums/72157661079270174 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 11:39:16 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So 
> let's see your culled images.
>
> Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of certain 
> tootsie fetishes. 
>
> Here's my submission 
> .
>
> And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> Hugh
> Los Angeles, CA
>

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[RBW] Days are getting longer!

[Philip Williamson]

Big mountain in the way? 2:22 is pretty early.
I very much like the lengthening days, too. 

Philip
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[RBW] more than 15 shots for 2015...

[Meade Anderson]

Folks,

Here's a flickr album of some of my better shots from 2015.  A few
comments...I didn't seem to capture too many great shots quality wise (all
iPhone) but do have more than a few great memories, and a confession, not
all of these shots are taken on bicycle rides...a few are from paddling
trips, runs, etc.  I did a little more paddling in 2015 than in the past
few years and enjoyed my time on the rivers and bay but my cycling mileage
suffered.  (Now I did have a few days which included a morning spin in the
piedmont area of Virginia, an afternoon paddle/float & fish, and later a
stop at the rural farm brewery (Lickinghole Brewery) for rehydration, a
snack from the food truck and music...doesn't get much better.)  And there
were a few really cool rides that I forgot to take pictures like the day
that my long time pal Steve invited me on a ride around the Short Hill
range  to inspect a forest fire. That day had very high winds and the fire
was moving north up both the eastern and western flanks and towards his
property but amazingly despite the winds, all ended well with mostly burned
timber and brush over rocky terrain.

And another confession, there's more than 15 shots...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/julianmeade/albums/72157662213189129/with/22945313504/

See ya on a ride (or a paddle)

meade

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[RBW] Re: Brake Levers for Albastache?

[drew]

I have the trp levers. The brakes work great, but I had to mount them upside 
down because the ergo style design has the lever flayed out for use with drops, 
and they angled oddly up when horizontally mounted. I'll probably change them 
when I can justify a cockpit overhaul, but right now everything is pretty 
nicely tuned in. I prefer aero levers, but zed is right, the cable routing is a 
bit wonky on albastache

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[RBW] Re: Whatever else people feel about the long bikes...

[Zed Martinez]

Why George, that's because they are ;)

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 8:45:16 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Zed - some of those pics look an awfully lot like sections of the Monon 
> and Fall Creek Parkway Trails...
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 6:22:43 PM UTC-6, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> They certainly rock in the snow and ice. Winter finally decided to show 
>> up here in Indianapolis so I took the fenders off and threw the knobbies on 
>> the Clem this weekend. Today was the first commute in the bad weather 
>> (which in my case means basically a straight mile of unplowed, unsalted 
>> bumpy ice through the local neighborhoods until I hit the trail)... and 
>> man, the Clem was a much better ride for it than my previous entries. In 
>> the past I've leaned mostly on my Felt hybrid with its aluminum frame and 
>> disc brakes with some 35mm Schwalbe Winter Marathons, but, it was always a 
>> terrifying white knuckle adventure in riding the bumps and hoping the rear 
>> wheel didn't decide to kick out from under me while following a rut. Even 
>> with just regular knobbies (the cheaper versions of Continental's Mountain 
>> King II what that were the only 650b mountain tires in town...), the Clem 
>> handled everything much more casually and, importantly, much less 
>> terrifyingly. I can speak for any other Rivs, this being my first, but it 
>> really felt like the long wheelbase was definitely helping me out today. I 
>> was notably less likely to get stuck at the mercy of a rut, and the one 
>> time I hit a slick patch and the bike started to slide I put my inboard 
>> foot down (like I always do to be ready to walk off the bike as it goes 
>> down), and hitting the ground with it was enough to knock the bike back 
>> upright and reset the rear wheel.The bike regained its balance instantly 
>> and rolled smoothly on back on a straight track. I've had worse 
>> experiences, for sure. I also have to say, whatever they toted merits, I'm 
>> increasingly convinced I won't be going back to disc brakes anytime soon. 
>> On the Felt I had to ride only the front brake because if I touched the 
>> rear one even lightly it was enough to slide the rear wheel out (Avid 
>> mechanicals or Shimano hydraulics both). With the cantis on the Clem I 
>> never felt like I was lacking stopping when I was on the cleared roads, but 
>> I had enough modulation to use either judiciously while I was on the icy 
>> stretch and it made things a lot less worrisome for it.
>>
>> And, because pictures rock, obligatory "It's 7ºF, why are you taking a 
>> picture?" picture.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/zedmartinez/23697977403/in/album-72157661103966564/
>>
>

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[RBW] Brake Levers for Albastache?

[Daniel Jackson]

Recommendations for levers that work well with the Albastache bar?

I've tried the Shimano tiagras and they just don't feel right. 

Thanks folks...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[James Chang]

Damn Mark, stellar photos.  I also follow you on Instagram and enjoy your
posts very much.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> Great idea, here's mine!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/albums/72157663447866785
>
> I included a brief description of each photo in the album info up top.
> You'll have to it 'see more' to read it all. A few more photos than some,
> but I honestly had such a good year on the bike this year. Feeling very
> thankful for that. Can't wait for what's to come!
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 12:27:39 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Dude!
>>
>> I love your images! David and his Singular, Jacquie & Charlie, you and
>> our awesome weekend on the Tam and Jacquie queued for the RSR start. May
>> you have an awesome 2016 and we revisit some of the same events and make
>> more new memories.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Philip Williamson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here are mine. Way less photos than previous years, so the culling was
>>> easy.
>>> I like this exercise in reviewing the year. Only about half of mine are
>>> biking related, and some aren't even photos, really.
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/albums/72157661079270174
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 11:39:16 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Group,

 I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So
 let's see your culled images.

 Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of
 certain tootsie fetishes.

 Here's my submission
 .

 And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.

 Tail Winds,

 Hugh
 Los Angeles, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[James Chang]

Thanks Hugh.

I've been here for the past 18 years.  Originally from Walnut Creek.  Any
of RBW owners bunch ever travel to my part of the world do not hesitate
to look me up for a ride with the locals. Taipei has some incredible roads
and guaranteed great rides.

James

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:32 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Of particular note is the cyclist have a smoke on a rest break. I recall
> seeing old TDF images with racers having a smoke, apparently it was
> believed to help their breathing. They were looking for any edge they could
> get. I love that Tapei has a Italian bike fetish. It's great to see
> cyclists from other parts of the world. Have a great 2016 and thanks for
> the share.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:28 PM, James Chang  wrote:
>
>> Ops.. that didn't go well.  Here it is again.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/lohephoto/u550j5
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:26 PM, James Chang  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is mine from RBW based in Taipei, Taiwan...
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/lohephoto/56Vt18
>>>
>>> Looking forward to some good cycling in 2016.
>>>
>>> Lohe
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:10 PM, cyclotourist 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And because it absolutely hurts to limit it to just 15... here are my
 99 favorites from the year!
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157663423395965


 On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Hugh Smitham 
 wrote:
 > Well I'll be. Has a certain vibe to it. You may be in the running for
 > leisure consultant extraordinaire. Look out Pondero!
 >
 > On Jan 10, 2016 6:48 PM, "cyclotourist" 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> But this is my absolute favorite photo of the year:
 >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/19019948832
 >>
 >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 6:47 PM, cyclotourist <
 cyclotour...@gmail.com>
 >> wrote:
 >> > 2015 was a lot fun!
 >> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157663348648006
 >> > I see a lot of guys in plaid...
 >> >
 >> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 4:47 PM, John Philip <
 japhilip4...@gmail.com>
 >> > wrote:
 >> >> Yes 68 Atlantis, 68 Quickbeam, 62 Hunq. Great fun!
 >> >>
 >> >>
 >> >> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 7:13:26 PM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
 >> >>>
 >> >>> Nice shots, is that Atlantis a 68? We've got matching
 Quickbeams. And
 >> >>> the
 >> >>> Hunq at 62?, that must be fun to toss around on that good dirt.
 >> >>> Enjoy the rides!
 >> >>> -Kai
 >> >>> Brooklyn NY
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[RBW] Re: Brake Levers for Albastache?

[Zed Martinez]

Are you talking just brake levers, or integrated? For just brakes, I like 
the Dia Compe Gran Compe 202 on mine 
(http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/levers/gran-compe-202-non-aero-brake-levers-drilled.html),
 
though, if I was doing it again I'd get the cheaper non-drilled versions 
(http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/levers/gran-compe-brake-levers.html).
 
I like the smaller bodies a lot more than the aero Tektro RL340s I used 
previously, and I definitely like old style non-aero cable routing a lot 
more on the albastache. The aero routing always made it hard to run new 
cables through the housing once I wrapped it under shellacked cotton.

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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[rob markwardt]

I thought I'd already done this but turns out that was on the 
boblist...doh!  Here's some of mine.  Like many there were less photos this 
year, however, the riding was better than ever (except for December which 
was kind of a downer). Still riding more than ever though and hope to keep 
it going in the new year.  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/albums/72157662469822870


Rob Markwardt
Seattle

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 11:39:16 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So 
> let's see your culled images.
>
> Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of certain 
> tootsie fetishes. 
>
> Here's my submission 
> .
>
> And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> Hugh
> Los Angeles, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Anton Tutter]

Good luck with the FluidFilm, I've heard the stuff is great. I had been 
using FrameSaver and liked it a lot, but switched to Boeshield once when 
there seemed to be a worldwide shortage of FrameSaver.  Boeshield doesn't 
seem to dry as waxy as FrameSaver, and whatever residue it leaves behind is 
very thin, but I suppose it's better than nothing.

If you haven't already put a new BB in, while the BB shell is empty you 
might want to drill a small (1/8") hole through the bottom of the BB shell 
if the Atlantis's shell isn't already drilled. It is the best way to ensure 
that any trapped moisture or even standing water drains and vents. You can 
dab a little FluidFilm on the bare metal exposed from drilling. I've done 
this on a few bikes and have been glad I did.

Anton


On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:35:59 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame and 
> gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I used 
> painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from the top 
> liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to coat 
> everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside my 
> apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a bit, 
> into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but rather 
> retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news was I 
> discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings already. 
> Not impressed. 
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry 
>> it too.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've used 
>>> Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times over 
>>> the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with Boeshield or 
>>> LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be periodically 
>>> repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,  with , I think, 
>>> lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I 
 forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It 
 was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt 
 cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere? 

 White vinegar! 

 I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with vinegar, 
 and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose when I'd 
 shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times a day. A 
 week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it came out 
 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to prevent 
 rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, but the 
 vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty 
 bicycle 
 frame. 

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew  wrote:

> amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw 
> frame saver.  it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but 
> amsoil/framesaver sticks and runs the right amount to make you confident 
> that its on, and staying on, all surfaces. 
>
> if you are worried about rust that you already have, i had great luck 
> refurbishing a rust bucket frame with THIS 
> 
>  product. 
> i stripped the frame, plugged all holes, filled the frame with the 
> liquid for about a day, dumped it out and with it came the rust. then 
> just 
> applied amsoil. 
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[RBW] Days are getting longer!

[islaysteve]

Well, I'm looking forward to Spring too, but we haven't really had Winter here 
in the mid-Atlantic.  This morning was the first time this season that I saw 
actual ice around outside, they are predicting that in the next few days we 
MIGHT see some very light snow.  Believe me, I'm not complaining!
Steve

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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[WETH]

Hugh,
This is a great idea. I have enjoyed looking at all the submissions so far.
Here is my contribution: https://flic.kr/s/aHskssjHEE
Safe cycling,
Erl

On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 2:39:16 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So 
> let's see your culled images.
>
> Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of certain 
> tootsie fetishes. 
>
> Here's my submission 
> .
>
> And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> Hugh
> Los Angeles, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Mark Reimer]

Thanks Anton - the Atlantis already has a hole right at the bottom of the
shell. I was pleasantly surprised to find very little surface rust anywhere
inside the frame. I obviously couldn't see inside the seat and chain stays,
but the chain stays are sloped downwards so any rust would probably be
toward the BB shell, which looked clean so far as I could see. I treated
external surface rust with some clear nail polish, which is a short-term
fix. I've rubbed the paint off from muddy tires and dropped chains, so it's
fairly minor, but this should help slow it down till I one-day repaint it.


Regarding the Phil BB - I was using their new weather shields. I started to
wonder if they actually trap water INSIDE, rather than keep it out. I mean
of course they keep a lot of water out. But if the bb is ever submerged
momentarily, I could see them filling up and retaining water against the
seals. This is just a suspicion, I have no way of knowing it. Either way,
the only point of entry for water to access the bearings on a Phil BB would
be from the outside (the inside is protected by the bearing retaining shell
and mounting rings), so clearly they aren't preventing moisture from
getting at them very well. I hope I can find some good bearings locally and
fabricate some kind of bearing press to install them. Bummer that I JUST
traded my other Phil BB with new bearings in it for a WI BB!

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Anton Tutter  wrote:

> Good luck with the FluidFilm, I've heard the stuff is great. I had been
> using FrameSaver and liked it a lot, but switched to Boeshield once when
> there seemed to be a worldwide shortage of FrameSaver.  Boeshield doesn't
> seem to dry as waxy as FrameSaver, and whatever residue it leaves behind is
> very thin, but I suppose it's better than nothing.
>
> If you haven't already put a new BB in, while the BB shell is empty you
> might want to drill a small (1/8") hole through the bottom of the BB shell
> if the Atlantis's shell isn't already drilled. It is the best way to ensure
> that any trapped moisture or even standing water drains and vents. You can
> dab a little FluidFilm on the bare metal exposed from drilling. I've done
> this on a few bikes and have been glad I did.
>
> Anton
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:35:59 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
>> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame
>> and gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I
>> used painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from
>> the top liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to
>> coat everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside
>> my apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a
>> bit, into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but
>> rather retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news
>> was I discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings
>> already. Not impressed.
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:
>>>
>>> I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry
>>> it too.
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've used
 Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times over
 the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with Boeshield or
 LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be periodically
 repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,  with , I think,
 lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there

 On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I
> forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It
> was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt
> cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere?
>
> White vinegar!
>
> I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with vinegar,
> and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose when I'd
> shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times a day. A
> week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it came out
> 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to prevent
> rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, but the
> vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty 
> bicycle
> frame.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew  wrote:
>
>> amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw
>> frame saver.  it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: iso "classy" fixed rear wheel

[Boson Au-Perkins]

thanks all, found one.


Boson Au-Perkins

2608 North Calvert Street
Baltimore, MD 21218

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Your potential seller will probably ask you what O.L.D. you need.  Does
> "not track" mean "not 120mm O.L.D.?"
>
> If you do want 120mm O.L.D. and want really classy I have a NIB Dura Ace
> rear fixed hub, but that definitely is Track.
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 8:52:47 AM UTC-8, Boson wrote:
>>
>> figured I'd ask before I spend too much $$$
>>
>> anyone got an extra simple fixed rear wheel (700c) lying around that they
>> want to get rid of?  I'd love something somewhat nice but not "track"
>> (formula hub laced to mavic cxp22's, etc?)
>>
>> bonus if it has a 16t-18t cog included...
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Chris Chen]

FWIW I've been very happy with the SKF bottom bracket Compass sells.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> Thanks Anton - the Atlantis already has a hole right at the bottom of the
> shell. I was pleasantly surprised to find very little surface rust anywhere
> inside the frame. I obviously couldn't see inside the seat and chain stays,
> but the chain stays are sloped downwards so any rust would probably be
> toward the BB shell, which looked clean so far as I could see. I treated
> external surface rust with some clear nail polish, which is a short-term
> fix. I've rubbed the paint off from muddy tires and dropped chains, so it's
> fairly minor, but this should help slow it down till I one-day repaint it.
>
>
> Regarding the Phil BB - I was using their new weather shields. I started
> to wonder if they actually trap water INSIDE, rather than keep it out. I
> mean of course they keep a lot of water out. But if the bb is ever
> submerged momentarily, I could see them filling up and retaining water
> against the seals. This is just a suspicion, I have no way of knowing it.
> Either way, the only point of entry for water to access the bearings on a
> Phil BB would be from the outside (the inside is protected by the bearing
> retaining shell and mounting rings), so clearly they aren't preventing
> moisture from getting at them very well. I hope I can find some good
> bearings locally and fabricate some kind of bearing press to install them.
> Bummer that I JUST traded my other Phil BB with new bearings in it for a WI
> BB!
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Anton Tutter  wrote:
>
>> Good luck with the FluidFilm, I've heard the stuff is great. I had been
>> using FrameSaver and liked it a lot, but switched to Boeshield once when
>> there seemed to be a worldwide shortage of FrameSaver.  Boeshield doesn't
>> seem to dry as waxy as FrameSaver, and whatever residue it leaves behind is
>> very thin, but I suppose it's better than nothing.
>>
>> If you haven't already put a new BB in, while the BB shell is empty you
>> might want to drill a small (1/8") hole through the bottom of the BB shell
>> if the Atlantis's shell isn't already drilled. It is the best way to ensure
>> that any trapped moisture or even standing water drains and vents. You can
>> dab a little FluidFilm on the bare metal exposed from drilling. I've done
>> this on a few bikes and have been glad I did.
>>
>> Anton
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:35:59 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>>> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame
>>> and gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I
>>> used painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from
>>> the top liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to
>>> coat everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside
>>> my apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a
>>> bit, into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but
>>> rather retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news
>>> was I discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings
>>> already. Not impressed.
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:

 I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry
 it too.

 KJ


 On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've
> used Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times
> over the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with
> Boeshield or LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be
> periodically repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,
>  with , I think, lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I
>> forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It
>> was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt
>> cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere?
>>
>> White vinegar!
>>
>> I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with
>> vinegar, and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose
>> when I'd shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times 
>> a
>> day. A week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it 
>> came
>> out 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to
>> prevent rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, 
>> but
>> the vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Anton Tutter]

I've had Phil BB bearings go bad in just one season from water intrusion. 
In my case, it wasn't even submersion or winter riding. Regular rainwater 
had made its way into the frame and pooled down at the BB shell. I removed 
the Phil after noticing it was spinning a little rough, and sure enough 
there were rust stains all over it and inside the BB shell. It was out of 
warranty, so I had no choice but to pony up for new bearings. At least Phil 
doesn't charge much for servicing; the bulk of the cost is the bearings 
themselves.  But I was annoyed-- those bearings should withstand water 
intrusion better than they do.

Anton


On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Yeah I thought about that, but that will put it out of service for at 
> least two weeks, plus 30 bucks in shipping. Alternatively I could go down 
> to a bearing supplier and get equally high end bearings for under 30 bucks 
> and replace them myself, have it back on the road in an evening. Phil has 
> been good to me with fast turn-around and customer service, it's just the 
> US/Canada thing that gets in the way. 
>
> I've heard of their BB's lasting way, way longer than mine on a regular 
> occasion. My suspicion is that my bearings are rough either because they've 
> been submerged in water briefly (remember the s24o report where I attempted 
> to carrying the Atlantis across a swamp? The bb definitely took a bath), or 
> they were over-torqued on installation (I didn't use a torque wrench, next 
> time I will. I've found reports online of premature bearing wear as a 
> result of over tightening). 
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> I would try sending it to phil wood...I feel like it should last longer 
>> than it did
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame 
>>> and gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I 
>>> used painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from 
>>> the top liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to 
>>> coat everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside 
>>> my apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a 
>>> bit, into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but 
>>> rather retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news 
>>> was I discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings 
>>> already. Not impressed. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:

 I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry 
 it too.

 KJ


 On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've 
> used Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times 
> over the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with 
> Boeshield or LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be 
> periodically repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant, 
>  with , I think, lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I 
>> forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It 
>> was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt 
>> cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere? 
>>
>> White vinegar! 
>>
>> I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with 
>> vinegar, and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust 
>> loose 
>> when I'd shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times 
>> a 
>> day. A week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it 
>> came 
>> out 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to 
>> prevent rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, 
>> but 
>> the vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty 
>> bicycle frame. 
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew  wrote:
>>
>>> amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw 
>>> frame saver.  it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but 
>>> amsoil/framesaver sticks and runs the right amount to make you 
>>> confident 
>>> that its on, and staying on, all surfaces. 
>>>
>>> if you are worried about rust that you already have, i had great 
>>> luck refurbishing a rust bucket frame with THIS 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

Great set Mark!

Such contrast between green, green spring to winter rides. You definitely
set the bar high on locations, grit and quality of images. And you included
the OOB images very sweet. I won't mention the other unofficial moniker
that iteration of the OOB acquired. Looking forward to your 2016 adventures
for inspiration.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> Great idea, here's mine!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/albums/72157663447866785
>
> I included a brief description of each photo in the album info up top.
> You'll have to it 'see more' to read it all. A few more photos than some,
> but I honestly had such a good year on the bike this year. Feeling very
> thankful for that. Can't wait for what's to come!
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 12:27:39 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Dude!
>>
>> I love your images! David and his Singular, Jacquie & Charlie, you and
>> our awesome weekend on the Tam and Jacquie queued for the RSR start. May
>> you have an awesome 2016 and we revisit some of the same events and make
>> more new memories.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Philip Williamson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Here are mine. Way less photos than previous years, so the culling was
>>> easy.
>>> I like this exercise in reviewing the year. Only about half of mine are
>>> biking related, and some aren't even photos, really.
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/albums/72157661079270174
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 11:39:16 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Hi Group,

 I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So
 let's see your culled images.

 Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of
 certain tootsie fetishes.

 Here's my submission
 .

 And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.

 Tail Winds,

 Hugh
 Los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Marc Irwin]

I'm not sure if these are the "best" pics, but here is a summary of my 2015 
on two wheels 

.

Marc

On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 2:39:16 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So 
> let's see your culled images.
>
> Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of certain 
> tootsie fetishes. 
>
> Here's my submission 
> .
>
> And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> Hugh
> Los Angeles, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] OT: questions about multiple computer screens

[Scott Henry]

I have been using dual monitors for maybe 5 years or so.  Both at work
and at home.
Work is a laptop with an extra monitor.   Home is a desktop with two
screens.
A 17" monitor is pretty small in today's world though.

Don't limit yourself to monitors either.   I use a 24" monitor and a
32" TV.   Stop in to walmart and look around, often times (like this
time of year - right before the superbowl)  a whole TV is cheaper than
a dedicated monitor.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> I probably should have answered this question long ago, but tell me, you who
> work a lot on computers, particularly those of you who write: are you more
> productive with 2 or even 3 screens than with 1? I assume a situation where
> you refer to multiple open documents.
>
> #2: if yes, would the advantage in your case justify the cost of 2 new
> screens and a new (larger) desk? (I expect to spend at least 2-3K on a good
> desk -- my present armoire desk can't accommodate more than 1 screen.)
>
> #3: Again, if yes: what brands and models would you recommend for decent but
> not necessarily top level 17" screens? This is for fancy word processing,
> not graphics.
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
> Stat crux dum volvitur orbis. (The cross stands motionless while the world
> revolves.) Carthusian motto
>
> It is we who change; He remains the same. Eckhart
>
> Kinei hos eromenon. (It moves [all things] as the beloved.) Aristotle
>
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[RBW] Re: Days are getting longer!

[Deacon Patrick]

Aye. On of the folds of Pikes Peak's skirts.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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>
> Big mountain in the way? 2:22 is pretty early.
> I very much like the lengthening days, too. 
>
> Philip
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[RBW] Re: Winter gloves

[Belopsky]

Empire hasnt made any of those mittens yet. I dont think I can wait. 9*F 
today 

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[RBW] Re: Sometimes a photo is better than a descriptive subject line.

[Shoji Takahashi]

So happy for you, Cecily! Tailwinds, shoji



On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 10:05:13 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Fantastic!
> "What's a kilometer?" 
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 5:03:03 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> Congratulations, welcome back to riding!
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 4:54:00 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's a selfie. But it's a selfie with Rizzo, my Betty Foy. I 
>>> haven't been able to ride in over a year, but the weather was so nice today 
>>> (though a bit chilly), I decided to take a chance to see how the new knee 
>>> would handle a short ride. I didn't go more than 4km from home, and I rode 
>>> very slowly, but the point is *I rode my bike*. 
>>>
>>> For Clayton and anyone else who's facing knee surgery (or any other kind 
>>> of surgery that's keeping you off the bike), I can only say DO IT. The 
>>> recovery won't be easy, but the reward will be so great that they won't be 
>>> able to pry the smile off your face for weeks. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] iso "classy" fixed rear wheel

[Boson Au-Perkins]

figured I'd ask before I spend too much $$$

anyone got an extra simple fixed rear wheel (700c) lying around that they
want to get rid of?  I'd love something somewhat nice but not "track"
(formula hub laced to mavic cxp22's, etc?)

bonus if it has a 16t-18t cog included...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Ryan Fleming]

I would try sending it to phil wood...I feel like it should last longer 
than it did

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame and 
> gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I used 
> painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from the top 
> liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to coat 
> everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside my 
> apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a bit, 
> into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but rather 
> retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news was I 
> discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings already. 
> Not impressed. 
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry 
>> it too.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've used 
>>> Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times over 
>>> the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with Boeshield or 
>>> LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be periodically 
>>> repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,  with , I think, 
>>> lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I 
 forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It 
 was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt 
 cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere? 

 White vinegar! 

 I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with vinegar, 
 and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose when I'd 
 shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times a day. A 
 week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it came out 
 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to prevent 
 rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, but the 
 vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty 
 bicycle 
 frame. 

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew  wrote:

> amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw 
> frame saver.  it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but 
> amsoil/framesaver sticks and runs the right amount to make you confident 
> that its on, and staying on, all surfaces. 
>
> if you are worried about rust that you already have, i had great luck 
> refurbishing a rust bucket frame with THIS 
> 
>  product. 
> i stripped the frame, plugged all holes, filled the frame with the 
> liquid for about a day, dumped it out and with it came the rust. then 
> just 
> applied amsoil. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Sometimes a photo is better than a descriptive subject line.

[JohnS]

Congratulations on your recovery! I always get a smile whenever I ride, 
short or long it's all fun!

JohnS

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:

>
> 
>
>
>
> Yes, it's a selfie. But it's a selfie with Rizzo, my Betty Foy. I haven't 
> been able to ride in over a year, but the weather was so nice today (though 
> a bit chilly), I decided to take a chance to see how the new knee would 
> handle a short ride. I didn't go more than 4km from home, and I rode very 
> slowly, but the point is *I rode my bike*. 
>
> For Clayton and anyone else who's facing knee surgery (or any other kind 
> of surgery that's keeping you off the bike), I can only say DO IT. The 
> recovery won't be easy, but the reward will be so great that they won't be 
> able to pry the smile off your face for weeks. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Kieran J]

Thanks for the report-back, Mark. I'll keep this in mind for my upcoming 
frames.

KJ


On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:35:59 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame and 
> gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I used 
> painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from the top 
> liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to coat 
> everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside my 
> apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a bit, 
> into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but rather 
> retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news was I 
> discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings already. 
> Not impressed. 
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry 
>> it too.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've used 
>>> Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times over 
>>> the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with Boeshield or 
>>> LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be periodically 
>>> repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,  with , I think, 
>>> lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I 
 forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It 
 was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt 
 cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere? 

 White vinegar! 

 I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with vinegar, 
 and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose when I'd 
 shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times a day. A 
 week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it came out 
 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to prevent 
 rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, but the 
 vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty 
 bicycle 
 frame. 

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew  wrote:

> amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw 
> frame saver.  it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but 
> amsoil/framesaver sticks and runs the right amount to make you confident 
> that its on, and staying on, all surfaces. 
>
> if you are worried about rust that you already have, i had great luck 
> refurbishing a rust bucket frame with THIS 
> 
>  product. 
> i stripped the frame, plugged all holes, filled the frame with the 
> liquid for about a day, dumped it out and with it came the rust. then 
> just 
> applied amsoil. 
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[RBW] Days are getting longer!

[BenG]

Looking forward to warm!  While not wishing my life away, I am playing with 
destination possibilities for a trip to celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary 
in late March.  What is weather like in the bay area around 23-30 Mar?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Mark Reimer]

Yeah I thought about that, but that will put it out of service for at least
two weeks, plus 30 bucks in shipping. Alternatively I could go down to a
bearing supplier and get equally high end bearings for under 30 bucks and
replace them myself, have it back on the road in an evening. Phil has been
good to me with fast turn-around and customer service, it's just the
US/Canada thing that gets in the way.

I've heard of their BB's lasting way, way longer than mine on a regular
occasion. My suspicion is that my bearings are rough either because they've
been submerged in water briefly (remember the s24o report where I attempted
to carrying the Atlantis across a swamp? The bb definitely took a bath), or
they were over-torqued on installation (I didn't use a torque wrench, next
time I will. I've found reports online of premature bearing wear as a
result of over tightening).

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Ryan Fleming  wrote:

> I would try sending it to phil wood...I feel like it should last longer
> than it did
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 9:35:59 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame
>> and gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I
>> used painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from
>> the top liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to
>> coat everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside
>> my apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a
>> bit, into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but
>> rather retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news
>> was I discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings
>> already. Not impressed.
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:
>>>
>>> I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry
>>> it too.
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've used
 Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times over
 the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with Boeshield or
 LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be periodically
 repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,  with , I think,
 lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there

 On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I
> forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It
> was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt
> cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere?
>
> White vinegar!
>
> I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with vinegar,
> and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose when I'd
> shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times a day. A
> week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it came out
> 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to prevent
> rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, but the
> vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty 
> bicycle
> frame.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew  wrote:
>
>> amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw
>> frame saver.  it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but
>> amsoil/framesaver sticks and runs the right amount to make you confident
>> that its on, and staying on, all surfaces.
>>
>> if you are worried about rust that you already have, i had great luck
>> refurbishing a rust bucket frame with THIS
>> 
>>  product.
>> i stripped the frame, plugged all holes, filled the frame with the
>> liquid for about a day, dumped it out and with it came the rust. then 
>> just
>> applied amsoil.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi James,

Of particular note is the cyclist have a smoke on a rest break. I recall
seeing old TDF images with racers having a smoke, apparently it was
believed to help their breathing. They were looking for any edge they could
get. I love that Tapei has a Italian bike fetish. It's great to see
cyclists from other parts of the world. Have a great 2016 and thanks for
the share.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:28 PM, James Chang  wrote:

> Ops.. that didn't go well.  Here it is again.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/lohephoto/u550j5
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:26 PM, James Chang  wrote:
>
>> Here is mine from RBW based in Taipei, Taiwan...
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/lohephoto/56Vt18
>>
>> Looking forward to some good cycling in 2016.
>>
>> Lohe
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:10 PM, cyclotourist 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And because it absolutely hurts to limit it to just 15... here are my
>>> 99 favorites from the year!
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157663423395965
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Hugh Smitham 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Well I'll be. Has a certain vibe to it. You may be in the running for
>>> > leisure consultant extraordinaire. Look out Pondero!
>>> >
>>> > On Jan 10, 2016 6:48 PM, "cyclotourist" 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> But this is my absolute favorite photo of the year:
>>> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/19019948832
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 6:47 PM, cyclotourist >> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > 2015 was a lot fun!
>>> >> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157663348648006
>>> >> > I see a lot of guys in plaid...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 4:47 PM, John Philip <
>>> japhilip4...@gmail.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> Yes 68 Atlantis, 68 Quickbeam, 62 Hunq. Great fun!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 7:13:26 PM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Nice shots, is that Atlantis a 68? We've got matching Quickbeams.
>>> And
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> Hunq at 62?, that must be fun to toss around on that good dirt.
>>> >> >>> Enjoy the rides!
>>> >> >>> -Kai
>>> >> >>> Brooklyn NY
>>> >> >>
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>>> >> >
>>> >> > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Tim Gavin]

I had my '88 Schwinn KOM blasted and powder coated clear (with a light
sparkle) this winter.  (I'll take some pictures soon).

I treated the frame with Boeshield the other night.  I plugged the tubes
with wadded-up paper towels, sprayed in the Boeshield, and then rotisseried
the tube to try to coat it evenly.

Boeshield is relatively thin, and runs and drips easily.  It's advisable to
do over a surface you can wipe clean or don't care about.  But it was an
easy task, and the frame and fork took me about 15 minutes.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Kieran J  wrote:

> Thanks for the report-back, Mark. I'll keep this in mind for my upcoming
> frames.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:35:59 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame
>> and gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I
>> used painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from
>> the top liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to
>> coat everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside
>> my apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a
>> bit, into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but
>> rather retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news
>> was I discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings
>> already. Not impressed.
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:
>>>
>>> I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry
>>> it too.
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've used
 Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times over
 the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with Boeshield or
 LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be periodically
 repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,  with , I think,
 lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there

 On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I
> forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It
> was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt
> cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere?
>
> White vinegar!
>
> I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with vinegar,
> and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose when I'd
> shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times a day. A
> week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it came out
> 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to prevent
> rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, but the
> vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty 
> bicycle
> frame.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew  wrote:
>
>> amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw
>> frame saver.  it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but
>> amsoil/framesaver sticks and runs the right amount to make you confident
>> that its on, and staying on, all surfaces.
>>
>> if you are worried about rust that you already have, i had great luck
>> refurbishing a rust bucket frame with THIS
>> 
>>  product.
>> i stripped the frame, plugged all holes, filled the frame with the
>> liquid for about a day, dumped it out and with it came the rust. then 
>> just
>> applied amsoil.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

And because you're living in '99 you get a star! A star for later viewing :)

~Hugh

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On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:10 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> And because it absolutely hurts to limit it to just 15... here are my
> 99 favorites from the year!
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157663423395965
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
> > Well I'll be. Has a certain vibe to it. You may be in the running for
> > leisure consultant extraordinaire. Look out Pondero!
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2016 6:48 PM, "cyclotourist"  wrote:
> >>
> >> But this is my absolute favorite photo of the year:
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/19019948832
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 6:47 PM, cyclotourist 
> >> wrote:
> >> > 2015 was a lot fun!
> >> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157663348648006
> >> > I see a lot of guys in plaid...
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 4:47 PM, John Philip 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Yes 68 Atlantis, 68 Quickbeam, 62 Hunq. Great fun!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 7:13:26 PM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Nice shots, is that Atlantis a 68? We've got matching Quickbeams.
> And
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> Hunq at 62?, that must be fun to toss around on that good dirt.
> >> >>> Enjoy the rides!
> >> >>> -Kai
> >> >>> Brooklyn NY
> >> >>
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> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Smart Sams with fenders

[Tim Gavin]

I have P45 fenders over 700 x 38 Bontrager CX0 tires on my cross/gravel
bike.  They have between 5 and 10 mm of clearance above the light knobs.
Less than optimal, but still ok.

Yes, the fenders plug up with mud more quickly than the stays would plug up
without the fenders.  But, they only plug up when I'm riding in that dark,
sticky, brownie batter mud on farm "B" roads (Iowa topsoil is quite dark).
If I stay out of that thick mud then my fenders never plug up.
A little bit of mud is rarely a problem.  If it's muddier than a little,
then I'm either on my fat bike or on gravel instead of dirt.

So, fenders + knobs + mud  = clogs
But really, knobs + mud = almost as many clogs, almost as soon.
Take the sticky mud out of the equation and fenders + knobs = happiness.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I found it to be a noise, annoying idea, but if there is sufficient
> clearance you should be fine safety wise. Yes, it will collect snow, mud,
> slush much faster than riding fender and fancy free (largely because said
> snow, mud, and slush is free to splash and spray you and your bike instead
> of gumming up the works!). Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
>> If running Smart Sams with fenders is a bad idea, will somebody please
>> tell me?
>>
>> Thanks as always for your wisdom.
>>
>> Jim S.
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Re: [RBW] Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

Paul,

I gotta say you do a great job showcasing the Dallas area. I particularly
like that country grocery store and the Trek 7000. Between you and Pondero
visiting Texas has a greater pull. Have a great 2016 and keep snapping a
pic or 10.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:22 AM, true  wrote:

> It's fun to see pics from other folk's rides, including the scenery, the
> bikes and the people
> and sometimes I get ideas from them.
>
> Thanks for sharing them.
>
> Most of my riding is in the urban and suburb areas of Dallas, TX
>
> As a result most of my photos come from this area with an occasional
> ride in a country road setting.
> This area does have a lot of interesting sculptures, various outside art
> and architecture if one knows where to look.
>
> As I have aged I take more time to stop and snap a pic or ten.
> As cell phone cameras have gotten better I pretty much rely of it these
> days.
> I think just about all of these are taken with my S5 Samsung phone.
>
> I linked my favs from 2015 in a story format on photobucket.
>
> Link here:
> http://s793.photobucket.com/user/ViewPicsHere/2015%20Favs/story
>
> Safe pedaling in 2016
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
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[RBW] Re: Sometimes a photo is better than a descriptive subject line.

[Philip Kim]

Thanks for sharing, super encouraging to see you ride around!

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yes, it's a selfie. But it's a selfie with Rizzo, my Betty Foy. I haven't 
> been able to ride in over a year, but the weather was so nice today (though 
> a bit chilly), I decided to take a chance to see how the new knee would 
> handle a short ride. I didn't go more than 4km from home, and I rode very 
> slowly, but the point is *I rode my bike*. 
>
> For Clayton and anyone else who's facing knee surgery (or any other kind 
> of surgery that's keeping you off the bike), I can only say DO IT. The 
> recovery won't be easy, but the reward will be so great that they won't be 
> able to pry the smile off your face for weeks. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rust-proofing your frames

[Mark Reimer]

Took the plunge last night and stripped the Atlantis down to the frame and 
gave it a good dose of FluidFilm. The stuff sprays on nice and easy. I used 
painters tape to seal off the bottom end of each tube, sprayed from the top 
liberally, the taped off the top and end spun the frame around to coat 
everything inside. Mess was minimal and I was able to apply it inside my 
apartment. This morning it looks like the stuff has started to cure a bit, 
into a yellowish thin film. The can says it will never harden, but rather 
retain a soft waxy feel. Tonight I'll re-assemble the bike. Sad news was I 
discovered my Phil BB, less than a year old, has notchy bearings already. 
Not impressed. 

On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-6, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I've bought Boeshield at Lee Valley in the recent past. Some LBSs carry it 
> too.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark...I would definitely spray something in your frame...we've used 
>> Boeshield and LPS3 and I've had my frames sprayed a couple of times over 
>> the years. I suspect your Atlantis was initially treated with Boeshield or 
>> LPS3 or some such, but the treatment does  need to be periodically 
>> repeated. Lee Valley used to sell a really good lubricant,  with , I think, 
>> lanolin as an ingredient but I don't see it there
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2016 at 10:54:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, I'm familiar with that product. And on that note, can't believe I 
>>> forgot about this, I JUST rust treated a 40 year old motorcycle tank. It 
>>> was nsty rusty inside. Guess what ate the rust clean off, is dirt 
>>> cheap, can be dumped onto the street after, and available everywhere? 
>>>
>>> White vinegar! 
>>>
>>> I filled the tank (which was completely lined with rust) with vinegar, 
>>> and added a few small sheet metal screws to knock the rust loose when I'd 
>>> shake it. I let it sit for about a week, shaking it a few times a day. A 
>>> week might have been way more than needed. but the point is, it came out 
>>> 100% clean. I then treated it with an epoxy tank liner product to prevent 
>>> rust from returning, which I wouldn't ever do on a bike frame, but the 
>>> vinegar would certainly be a good rust treatment for inside a rusty bicycle 
>>> frame. 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM, drew  wrote:
>>>
 amsoil hdmp is, from what i can tell, the exact same thing as jpw frame 
 saver.  it's awesome. boeshield feels watery and runny, but 
 amsoil/framesaver sticks and runs the right amount to make you confident 
 that its on, and staying on, all surfaces. 

 if you are worried about rust that you already have, i had great luck 
 refurbishing a rust bucket frame with THIS 
 
  product. 
 i stripped the frame, plugged all holes, filled the frame with the 
 liquid for about a day, dumped it out and with it came the rust. then just 
 applied amsoil. 

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[RBW] Re: Days are getting longer!

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow! That's a May or June shot around here.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 7:55:02 AM UTC-7, Andy Williams wrote:
>
>
> And, other signs of spring here in the Great Northwest..
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/24290254016/
>
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Aye. On of the folds of Pikes Peak's skirts.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 2:10:53 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> Big mountain in the way? 2:22 is pretty early.
>>> I very much like the lengthening days, too. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
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[RBW] Re: wtt- medium saddlesack + $30 for a large saddlesack

[Andy L]

Note the color change- the bag is olive, not tan as I had originally posted-

On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 1:19:22 PM UTC-5, Andy L wrote:
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> Hi,
> I have a barely used olive (not tan) medium saddlesack I'd like to trade 
> +the  $30 difference in price for a large one-  I like the medium but I 
> wish I had a little more space-  -
> Thanks,
> Andy
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[RBW] Re: Days are getting longer!

[Andy Williams]

And, other signs of spring here in the Great Northwest..

https://www.flickr.com/photos/awilliams53/24290254016/


On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Aye. On of the folds of Pikes Peak's skirts.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 2:10:53 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> Big mountain in the way? 2:22 is pretty early.
>> I very much like the lengthening days, too. 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
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[RBW] Let's see the best of your 2015

[true]

It's fun to see pics from other folk's rides, including the scenery, the bikes 
and the people 
and sometimes I get ideas from them.

Thanks for sharing them.

Most of my riding is in the urban and suburb areas of Dallas, TX

As a result most of my photos come from this area with an occasional
ride in a country road setting. 
This area does have a lot of interesting sculptures, various outside art and 
architecture if one knows where to look.

As I have aged I take more time to stop and snap a pic or ten.
As cell phone cameras have gotten better I pretty much rely of it these days. 
I think just about all of these are taken with my S5 Samsung phone.

I linked my favs from 2015 in a story format on photobucket.

Link here:
http://s793.photobucket.com/user/ViewPicsHere/2015%20Favs/story

Safe pedaling in 2016

Paul in Dallas

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[RBW] Sometimes a photo is better than a descriptive subject line.

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Love hearing good news like this.

I hope you continue to improve and have many great rides in the near future.


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RE: [RBW] Sometimes a photo is better than a descriptive subject line.

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Who cares what distance – you're on the bike!  Congrats, and make sure we get 
ride reports.

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Yes, it's a selfie. But it's a selfie with Rizzo, my Betty Foy. I haven't been 
able to ride in over a year, but the weather was so nice today (though a bit 
chilly), I decided to take a chance to see how the new knee would handle a 
short ride. I didn't go more than 4km from home, and I rode very slowly, but 
the point is I rode my bike.

For Clayton and anyone else who's facing knee surgery (or any other kind of 
surgery that's keeping you off the bike), I can only say DO IT. The recovery 
won't be easy, but the reward will be so great that they won't be able to pry 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Marc,

I just love your recap of the year! Pictures are great but your words
really make it all come together! I admire how you pointed out all the
great things you witnessed and the progress we are making as a nation with
regards to cycling. Have a fantastic 2016 and look forward to your
reflection for this new year.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:13 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

> I'm not sure if these are the "best" pics, but here is a summary of my
> 2015 on two wheels
> 
> .
>
> Marc
>
> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 2:39:16 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So
>> let's see your culled images.
>>
>> Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of certain
>> tootsie fetishes.
>>
>> Here's my submission
>> .
>>
>> And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> Hugh
>> Los Angeles, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

Patrick,

Thanks for sharing the Jobst images most timely...and the alps on my bucket
list.

Re Video: That's the way i ride everyday and the reason i get those stares
:)

Have a great 2016!

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:44 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> More very good photos; thanks (all y'all) for posting them.
>
> I can offer none of my own, but I can offer 2 media sets by others that
> seem not too out of place:
>
> 1. Jobst's 2001 alpine tour (Jobst would have been 66 on that ride):
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/olafbrandt/albums/72157600244571392/with/509519113/
>
> 2. And now for something completely different: this from (I am embarrassed
> to say) Jalopnik:
>
>
> http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/this-little-girl-reminds-us-why-we-ride-motorcycles-1730172351
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Trunksack Olive Large; Zoic Jersey L

[islaysteve]

I meant to add that prices will be discounted for local pickup in 
Kensington MD.   I can also deliver within reasonable distances to the 
greater DC area.  Both items are still available.  Thanks, Steve 

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 8:09:51 PM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Trunksack is well-used but not torn or damaged on any way.  Stiffeners 
> added to bottom and sides.  Side stiffeners are removable .  Original metal 
> nameplate.  $75 shipped in US.  
>
> Zoic grey short sleeve cycling jersey, polyester size large.  Worn three 
> times.  Like new except for a few very small pulls in fabric, barely 
> noticeable. Standard zip front design, rear has one large and one small 
> pocket, both zipped.  Measure 21" pit to pit, 29" collar to hem in back. 
> See photos.  $30 shipped.  Please PM to buy, PayPal preferred.  If you have 
> general questions, please post them here.  Thanks for looking, Steve
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Steve,

But you did get some. I particularly like that MD gravel road. I know
Maryland has some amazing back country roads and scenery perhaps a
resolution in the new year come up with 16 images. Just kiddin! Enjoy the
New Year and thanks for sharing.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:39 AM, islaysteve  wrote:

> I didn't get out on the bike WITH the camera too much in 2015, but here
> are a few from nice days on the C:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/109191668701158452616/2015COCanal?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-N9s-jvp2jOA
>
> Cheers, Steve
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[RBW] Re: iso "classy" fixed rear wheel

[Bill Lindsay]

Your potential seller will probably ask you what O.L.D. you need.  Does 
"not track" mean "not 120mm O.L.D.?"

If you do want 120mm O.L.D. and want really classy I have a NIB Dura Ace 
rear fixed hub, but that definitely is Track.  

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 8:52:47 AM UTC-8, Boson wrote:
>
> figured I'd ask before I spend too much $$$
>
> anyone got an extra simple fixed rear wheel (700c) lying around that they 
> want to get rid of?  I'd love something somewhat nice but not "track" 
> (formula hub laced to mavic cxp22's, etc?)
>
> bonus if it has a 16t-18t cog included... 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[islaysteve]

I didn't get out on the bike WITH the camera too much in 2015, but here are 
a few from nice days on the C: 
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/109191668701158452616/2015COCanal?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-N9s-jvp2jOA

Cheers, Steve


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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Hugh Smitham]

Dude!

I love your images! David and his Singular, Jacquie & Charlie, you and our
awesome weekend on the Tam and Jacquie queued for the RSR start. May you
have an awesome 2016 and we revisit some of the same events and make more
new memories.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here are mine. Way less photos than previous years, so the culling was
> easy.
> I like this exercise in reviewing the year. Only about half of mine are
> biking related, and some aren't even photos, really.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/albums/72157661079270174
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 11:39:16 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So
>> let's see your culled images.
>>
>> Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of certain
>> tootsie fetishes.
>>
>> Here's my submission
>> .
>>
>> And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> Hugh
>> Los Angeles, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

[Mark Reimer]

Great idea, here's mine!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/albums/72157663447866785

I included a brief description of each photo in the album info up top. 
You'll have to it 'see more' to read it all. A few more photos than some, 
but I honestly had such a good year on the bike this year. Feeling very 
thankful for that. Can't wait for what's to come!

On Monday, January 11, 2016 at 12:27:39 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Dude!
>
> I love your images! David and his Singular, Jacquie & Charlie, you and our 
> awesome weekend on the Tam and Jacquie queued for the RSR start. May you 
> have an awesome 2016 and we revisit some of the same events and make more 
> new memories.
>
> Tail Winds, 
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> Here are mine. Way less photos than previous years, so the culling was 
>> easy. 
>> I like this exercise in reviewing the year. Only about half of mine are 
>> biking related, and some aren't even photos, really.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/albums/72157661079270174 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 11:39:16 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So 
>>> let's see your culled images.
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of 
>>> certain tootsie fetishes. 
>>>
>>> Here's my submission 
>>> .
>>>
>>> And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> Hugh
>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] iso "classy" fixed rear wheel

[Eric Norris]

To All:

Just interesting that Bosun's email address comes up as 
"instructi...@gmail.com". 

--Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Boson Au-Perkins  wrote:
> 
> figured I'd ask before I spend too much $$$
> 
> anyone got an extra simple fixed rear wheel (700c) lying around that they 
> want to get rid of?  I'd love something somewhat nice but not "track" 
> (formula hub laced to mavic cxp22's, etc?)
> 
> bonus if it has a 16t-18t cog included... 
> 
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