[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Evan E.]

Welcome! That's a beautiful Sam. I agree that it's a great all-rounder.

Evan

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[RBW] LF: 48 Hunqapillar (frame or whole bike)

[Ed Fausto]

I know its a long shot but I am hoping I can get a used one from our group.
Ed Fausto

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Josh Imler]

I purchased an Appaloosa frame on Monday. I'll currently prepping the frame 
with BoeShield. I'll post pictures when things progress. I'm happy to be 
part of the RBW Owners Bunch!

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 11:17:44 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I love my Joe Appaloosa.  It is a freaking great bike.  I did my 35 mile 
> hilly commute to work again today and I just love how I can ride as hard as 
> I like and still arrive at work fresh.  I'm not saying the Joe Appaloosa is 
> a club race bike, and I'm not saying you will be able to keep up with your 
> road-bike friends on group rides.  I'm not even suggesting that you will 
> match your personal bests on Strava.  What I am saying is that the Joe 
> Appaloosa is remarkably easy to ride.  It is stable and predictable, yet 
> plenty maneuverable and agile.  When it's loaded, it takes some effort to 
> get it moving, but once it gets moving it keeps moving.  It poured 
> yesterday, and I bombed the wet roads with my fat tires with no concerns. 
>  My front-load setup continues to work great.  I confess I did change out 
> the Sun Race shifters (which I like) with the short and stubby Silvers that 
> come as part of the IRD Silver SOS Shifters 
>  (which I love).  On my ride 
> through Hayward, I pass Tennyson Park, which has a small skate park.   I've 
> often thought of riding my Rivendell timidly on the ramps and such, and 
> did, very timidly.  
>
>
> 
>
> Joe shreds?
>
>
> Now my Want to Scavenge part of my post:
>
>
> You bought a 58cm Joe Appaloosa.  You are a crank arm length zealot and 
> you only ride 175s.  You can't stand that your 58cm Joe Appaloosa came with 
> weird 173mm crankarms, and want to change them out, and are grumpy that 
> your complete bike is now going to cost you more to make perfect.  Sell 
> your 173mm Silver crankset AND bottom bracket.  I offer to pay $140 shipped 
> (to El Cerrito CA) for a set of 173s.  
>  
> You bought a 700c wheeled Joe Appaloosa.  You are a "supple tire" zealot 
> and only ride tires that are Jan-approved.  You can't stand that your Joe 
> Appaloosa came with "stout" tires, and are grumpy that your complete bike 
> is now going to cost you more to make perfect.  Sell your Kenda Kwick 
> Bitumin tires to me.  I offer to pay $60 shipped for a pair.  
>
> Bill call-me-Joe Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] UPDATE! Re: FS: 7 speed Deore parts and more

[Patrick Shea]

Hi Patrick:

This Patrick would like the Diatech front disc hub. I've never heard of it
but the price will offset the megabucks I shelled out for a Phil rear disc
hub.

Cheers,
Patrick Shea

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Nitto/Spec stem;
> Kool Stop pads;
> Thumbshifters:
>
> GONE.
>
> Open to OBOs.
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> 1. Swiss DT/LX wheelset: sale pending.
>>
>> 2. Deore 7 speed era crankset FC MT60, silver,* 170 mm arms*, left arm
>> has a small dent in one edge and a few minor scuffs. Right arm is clean.
>> 48-38-24 rings. $50 + shipping.
>>
>> 2. Deore DX rear derailleur,, RD M650, scratched but otherwise fine, $25
>> plus shipping.
>>
>> 3. BR M650 cantilever brakeset, 2 pr arms with original pads (still
>> good), Shimano safety cables, and MT63 levers, all for$50 + shipping.
>>
>> 4. Pair Maxxis Ikon folding tires, 2.35, < 200 miles. These have been
>> used tubeless with Orange Seal, but of course I will clean them up. $50 +
>> shipping.
>>
>> 5. Silver 1" quill to 1.25" clamp on adaptor, NEW/never installed, $12 +
>> shipping.
>>
>> 6. Diatech Silver 32 hole front disc brake hub, sealed bearings, very
>> nice!. $15 + shipping.
>>
>> 7. Kool Stop salmon pads, non-threaded post style, NEW, 2 PAIRS for $12 +
>> shipping.
>>
>> 8. Originate 8 cm 1.25" clamp on stem, 25.4/26.0 clamp, 10* rise/drop,
>> $12 + shipping.
>>
>> 9. Metal low pressure tire gauge (reads to 30 psi max), $10 + shipping.
>>
>> 10. SL MT 62 7 speed thumbshifters, friction/indexed, $18 + shipping.
>>
>> 11. MTB pedals, Taiwan, VP336 pedals, bearings could use some oil, $12 +
>> shipping.
>>
>> 12. Nitto-made-for-Specialized (sold by Riv long ago) "Aero" stem, 8 cm,
>> vg, $15 + shipping.
>>
>> 13. Large* Trek Clik-fit saddle wedge, $15 + shipping. (*will accept 2
>> road tubes plus tire levers + patch kit + folding toolkit.) VG condition.
>>
>> 14. Even larger seat pack, slightly larger than a Banana Bag if you
>> remember those. I improved it by sewing the circumferential cinch strap to
>> the top of the bag; I forget how it was originally attached, but my sewing
>> (visible in photo but not when mounted) improved it. Otherwise as new --
>> used only a few miles. $15 + shipping.
>>
>> 15. Diamond Back Apex *tout Chromo* mountain bike frame, 16" c-c, *with* bb,
>> headset, and stand, sp, and saddle if you want them -- no discount for
>> leaving them out. $60 + shipping.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>> 
>> 
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've got the F15 with the Barsack. I used it at first on my Hilsen, now it's on 
the Roadeo. It's great for brevets. It doesn't bother the steering. Another 
neat thing about the rack is that the clamps that attach to the handlebars are 
pretty inconspicuous, so you can remove the rack and leave the clamps on. It 
goes on and off quickly. I think they look a little better than an empty 
decaleur. 

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[RBW] FS: Compass Stampede Pass 700x32c pair. New...

[Lungimsam]

...except for the about 40 miles I rode on them.
95$ shipped CONUS for the pair.

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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[dstein]

It seems to me it'd better to plug the bag, not the rack, since so few bags 
are made to go with it. Seems very specialized, whereas most other front 
racks will fit most other front bags. That being said, it looks like a cool 
system (barsack + f15). I've seen the barsack in person and it's much nicer 
than it seems from the website (which I've never even noticed it on). 
There's some very well thought out features on the bags, including the 
magnets which are genius.
>
>
Does extra weight on the handlebars affect steering more than if it sits 
lower on like a mark's rack?

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[RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[RonaTD]

Another very happy user here. I have two boxy bags and two racks. I also have a 
Berthoud medium bag on a decaleur on another bike. The Berthoud is only 
marginally bigger. The boxy bag is plenty big for a brevet unless I need a lot 
of spare clothing, in which case the Berthoud is too small, too. The magnetic 
closure on the boxy bag is much handier than the elastic cord closure on the 
Berthoud. On the other hand, the built in map case on the Berthoud is way 
better than the add-on case from RBW.  As noted, it is a real boon to be able 
to mount a handlebar bag on any of my bikes. Well, I haven't put it on my Riv 
Road with a Campy brifter setup.  I suspect the cables might interfere with 
mounting the rack there. 

Ted Durant

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[RBW] UPDATE! Re: FS: 7 speed Deore parts and more

[Patrick Moore]

Nitto/Spec stem;
Kool Stop pads;
Thumbshifters:

GONE.

Open to OBOs.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. Swiss DT/LX wheelset: sale pending.
>
> 2. Deore 7 speed era crankset FC MT60, silver,* 170 mm arms*, left arm
> has a small dent in one edge and a few minor scuffs. Right arm is clean.
> 48-38-24 rings. $50 + shipping.
>
> 2. Deore DX rear derailleur,, RD M650, scratched but otherwise fine, $25
> plus shipping.
>
> 3. BR M650 cantilever brakeset, 2 pr arms with original pads (still good),
> Shimano safety cables, and MT63 levers, all for$50 + shipping.
>
> 4. Pair Maxxis Ikon folding tires, 2.35, < 200 miles. These have been used
> tubeless with Orange Seal, but of course I will clean them up. $50 +
> shipping.
>
> 5. Silver 1" quill to 1.25" clamp on adaptor, NEW/never installed, $12 +
> shipping.
>
> 6. Diatech Silver 32 hole front disc brake hub, sealed bearings, very
> nice!. $15 + shipping.
>
> 7. Kool Stop salmon pads, non-threaded post style, NEW, 2 PAIRS for $12 +
> shipping.
>
> 8. Originate 8 cm 1.25" clamp on stem, 25.4/26.0 clamp, 10* rise/drop, $12
> + shipping.
>
> 9. Metal low pressure tire gauge (reads to 30 psi max), $10 + shipping.
>
> 10. SL MT 62 7 speed thumbshifters, friction/indexed, $18 + shipping.
>
> 11. MTB pedals, Taiwan, VP336 pedals, bearings could use some oil, $12 +
> shipping.
>
> 12. Nitto-made-for-Specialized (sold by Riv long ago) "Aero" stem, 8 cm,
> vg, $15 + shipping.
>
> 13. Large* Trek Clik-fit saddle wedge, $15 + shipping. (*will accept 2
> road tubes plus tire levers + patch kit + folding toolkit.) VG condition.
>
> 14. Even larger seat pack, slightly larger than a Banana Bag if you
> remember those. I improved it by sewing the circumferential cinch strap to
> the top of the bag; I forget how it was originally attached, but my sewing
> (visible in photo but not when mounted) improved it. Otherwise as new --
> used only a few miles. $15 + shipping.
>
> 15. Diamond Back Apex *tout Chromo* mountain bike frame, 16" c-c, *with* bb,
> headset, and stand, sp, and saddle if you want them -- no discount for
> leaving them out. $60 + shipping.
>
>
>
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> **
> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
>


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**
**
*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

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[RBW] Weird email

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, thanks Ray. I don't know how they found that email address, but I suppose I 
used it years ago. 

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[RBW] Weird email

[Ray Varella]

...actually Joe, a visit to the blug will provide you with an explanation. 

Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: handle bars and tires and stuff

[Eric Daume]

Hi Ben,

They are still available. Let me know your address and I can estimate
shipping.

Thanks,

Eric

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:15 PM, BenG  wrote:

> I want buy the bullmoose bar if still available.
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[RBW] Weird email

[Ray Varella]

Joe,
 The Washington Post ran a story today on a very large data breach  
originating with Yahoo. 
If you suspect that's where it came from you may want to update your password 
and security settings on your critical accounts. 

Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Ray Varella]

I had one of those many years ago with a "Boxy Bag" Riv used to sell. 
 
The bag had tubular channels for those rods to slide through. 
My guess is any handy seamstress could modify most types of handlebar bags to 
fit those rods. 
That would open up numerous options for other bags. 

I don't know why I ever sold the set I had. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Richard Rios]

Ha! that's funny because I've been thinking that about the 55 !)

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[RBW] Weird email

[Joe Bernard]

Did anyone get a strange "gift card" email from RBW? I supposedly have $26.65 
credit now, which was sent to an email address I don't use there. When I 
clicked the Shop Now button it took me to a Riv site "under construction".

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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Bill Lindsay]

You'll find something great to do with it.  

Bill

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 2:15:18 PM UTC-7, Valerie Yates wrote:
>
> I had been on the fence about this item and had it in and out of my cart 
> at various points. But, based on your nudge, I went ahead and ordered one.
>>
>>
> Thanks (I think),
>
> Val in Boulder CO
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Re: [RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Igor Belopolsky]

I had a 56 Sam that was too long for drop bars for me but perfect w some
upright ones, alas I sold it.

The now 51 would be a good fit for me if I was to buy another

On Thursday, September 22, 2016, Richard Rios 
wrote:

> I don't think it was mentioned and it's a great point about the bars. Lots
> of stuff plays into sizing. Perhaps he would like to offer more info and
> someone could offer a more specific response. Or maybe he was already
> leaning towards one and was looking for a bit of reassurance. Don't know.
> Hopefully some of the feedback he gets will be helpful though. I know I've
> bought a few bikes sight unseen for ok, better, and worse. It's a tough
> spot to be in because nice bikes can be kinda expensive and you tend to
> lose your butt if you decide to sell cause you don't dig the fit. Had
> happened to me a few times. For example I originally  bought a 52 Sam H.
> And after riding and remeasuring my PBH decided it was a bit small...so
> then I bought a 56 and wow that felt like a huge jump in size. I never got
> comfortable and sold it. Truth be told they were technically both fine and
> great bikes But I was doing the whole hand wringing thing. In the end
> though a 56 atlantis feels much better to me then either of the sams...any
> way lost my behind on both bikes / frames so the topic is kinda close to my
> heart and if I can help a brother out in this area I do my best to point in
> a reasonable direction. I think performance / competitive has a fit
> calculator out there that offers three frame sizes calling them french,
> eddy, and something else...maybe try that see what shakes out.
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[RBW] Re: FS: handle bars and tires and stuff

[BenG]

I want buy the bullmoose bar if still available.

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Broccoli Cog]

Ha Ha. I have already been thinking about adding a Hunqapillar to replace 
my full suspension mountain bike!

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 7:33:51 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Welcome to the group and congratulations on becoming an owner of a 
> Rivendell. They're addictive. You may find yourself adding a companion to 
> the SH!
>
> Best wishes,
> Richard
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 6:28:15 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
>> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
>> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
>> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
>> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
>> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
>> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
>> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
>> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
>> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
>> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
>> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
>> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
>> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
>> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
>> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
>> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
>> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
>> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
>> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
>> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
>> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
>> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
>> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
>> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
>> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
>> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
>> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
>> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
>> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
>> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Richard Rios]

I don't think it was mentioned and it's a great point about the bars. Lots of 
stuff plays into sizing. Perhaps he would like to offer more info and someone 
could offer a more specific response. Or maybe he was already leaning towards 
one and was looking for a bit of reassurance. Don't know. Hopefully some of the 
feedback he gets will be helpful though. I know I've bought a few bikes sight 
unseen for ok, better, and worse. It's a tough spot to be in because nice bikes 
can be kinda expensive and you tend to lose your butt if you decide to sell 
cause you don't dig the fit. Had happened to me a few times. For example I 
originally  bought a 52 Sam H. And after riding and remeasuring my PBH decided 
it was a bit small...so then I bought a 56 and wow that felt like a huge jump 
in size. I never got comfortable and sold it. Truth be told they were 
technically both fine and great bikes But I was doing the whole hand wringing 
thing. In the end though a 56 atlantis feels much better to me then either of 
the sams...any way lost my behind on both bikes / frames so the topic is kinda 
close to my heart and if I can help a brother out in this area I do my best to 
point in a reasonable direction. I think performance / competitive has a fit 
calculator out there that offers three frame sizes calling them french, eddy, 
and something else...maybe try that see what shakes out.

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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Valerie Yates]

I had been on the fence about this item and had it in and out of my cart at 
various points. But, based on your nudge, I went ahead and ordered one.
>
>
Thanks (I think),

Val in Boulder CO

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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Belopsky]

My PBH is 83.x. If I was going to get a Pacer, it'd be a 52 or 54, but 
certainly I would not want to go 56 because then i'd need a real short stem 
which IMO does not work for that bike..

the question is, and pardon if it was mentioned, but does Jay want drop 
bars or not? If not, well then yes, can go quite big as long as your boys 
dont hit the top tube

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 4:35:48 PM UTC-4, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> Absolutely. There is no exact method for sizing a bike. Personal 
> preference plays a huge role. After going round and around about the whole 
> finding the "perfect" frame size...I have resigned myself to the whole F@#! 
> it get a close enough frame size, to which there are no major compromises 
> and it looks ok to my eye and shazam! Happiness and lots of bike riding 
> ensues!  Rather than the wring my hands and worry about a few mm here or 
> there and constantly kick myself for not having had bought the other size 
> frame camp. The "perfect" frame size or bike for that matter only exists in 
> our minds. And as always the question of perfect for what? But this is not 
> to say it isn't fun or worthwhile  to discuss what the perfect frame / bike 
> might be and why...Because we all know it is. :) But a suggestion was asked 
> for and usually any one person should be able to ride at least 3 different 
> frame sizes in 2cm incraments pretty happily. With the starting place for 
> that being saddle / pbh range ...becauae ya gotta start somewhere and it 
> was offered by the OP, which suggests it is an important sizing parameter 
> for him. I think that problems pop up when people want  or end up at the 
> opposite extremes / high bars and the smallest frame possible when the bike 
> is not designed for that. Then they get miffed and say all kinda bad stuff 
> about the bike and the person who recomended the size. With that said, back 
> to the question. A 58 would really seem to be the safest bet in this 
> situation and subsequently my recomendation based on info offered.  Jay 
> provides his pbh which would suggest that is what is important to him about 
> how  he sizes a bike. Had he offered torso length or reach numbers it might 
> have suggested different priorities size wise, maybe he has a long 
> torso...but the 58cm would prolly offer the most versatility for higher or 
> lower bars without extreme stems or spacer stack. The 56 and 60 will both 
> work but they will commit to a racier or comfort driven position. Which all 
> depends on info he knows that we dont. Therefore he can take the suggestion 
> FWIW and make a decision based on his priorities and hopefully feel a 
> little bit more comfortable about his purchase if he has to buy the bike 
> sight unseen. Which is the point of asking such a question...I think ;^)

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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Bill Lindsay]

The Sackville Bar Sack may be kind of small, especially if you are packing 
raingear on a brevet.  I love the magnetic closure feature.  RuthWorks 
knows how to make a bag for the F-15 and could build it tall if you have 
room.  Or maybe David Banzer even.  

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:27:52 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> This item with the Sackville BarSack looks pretty interesting, although, 
> maybe a bit small to be a Rando bag, which is what I'd want to use it for.  
> Maybe could use a small rear bag in addition?
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Nitto makes a front rack called the F-15.  It clamps to the 26.0mm part 
>> of your drop bars and it's a u shaped support around the perimeter of a 
>> handlebar bag.  Rivendell stocks that rack and has 13 of them in stock as 
>> of 9/22/16.  Various bag makers offer a bag to fit that rack.  There is a 
>> Sackville model that Riv also has in stock, but they only have two of the 
>> bags.  
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm?CartID=6
>>
>> My plug is for the rack itself.  It's astonishingly nice.  It looks like 
>> it should be super floppy but it's surprisingly solid for a typical 
>> handlebar bag application.  If you own, or ever think you might own a 
>> typical 'road bike', that doesn't have much in the way of attachment points 
>> for a normal front rack, the old F-15 is a fantastic option.  I'm running 
>> mine on a Black Mountain Cycles road bike.  Not only is it way lighter and 
>> way less expensive than a traditional rack + decaleur setup, but it puts 
>> the handlebar bag in exactly the same place relative to the handlebars no 
>> matter which bike I put it on.  
>>
>> In my opinion, anybody in the habit of setting up various bikes with 
>> various bags should have an F-15 laying around, hence the plug.  Riv has 13 
>> of the racks but only 2 of the bags to fit it.  Riv is selling the rack for 
>> $78.  The other two online US vendors that have the F-15 rack in stock are 
>> asking $95 and $120 for it.  Now's a good time to buy an F-15 rack, (it's 
>> like picking up free money at $78) and treat yourself to a bag to fit it 
>> when one comes up for sale, or have Ruthworks make you a custom to match 
>> your bike.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Richard Rios]

Absolutely. There is no exact method for sizing a bike. Personal preference 
plays a huge role. After going round and around about the whole finding the 
"perfect" frame size...I have resigned myself to the whole F@#! it get a close 
enough frame size, to which there are no major compromises and it looks ok to 
my eye and shazam! Happiness and lots of bike riding ensues!  Rather than the 
wring my hands and worry about a few mm here or there and constantly kick 
myself for not having had bought the other size frame camp. The "perfect" frame 
size or bike for that matter only exists in our minds. And as always the 
question of perfect for what? But this is not to say it isn't fun or worthwhile 
 to discuss what the perfect frame / bike might be and why...Because we all 
know it is. :) But a suggestion was asked for and usually any one person should 
be able to ride at least 3 different frame sizes in 2cm incraments pretty 
happily. With the starting place for that being saddle / pbh range ...becauae 
ya gotta start somewhere and it was offered by the OP, which suggests it is an 
important sizing parameter for him. I think that problems pop up when people 
want  or end up at the opposite extremes / high bars and the smallest frame 
possible when the bike is not designed for that. Then they get miffed and say 
all kinda bad stuff about the bike and the person who recomended the size. With 
that said, back to the question. A 58 would really seem to be the safest bet in 
this situation and subsequently my recomendation based on info offered.  Jay 
provides his pbh which would suggest that is what is important to him about how 
 he sizes a bike. Had he offered torso length or reach numbers it might have 
suggested different priorities size wise, maybe he has a long torso...but the 
58cm would prolly offer the most versatility for higher or lower bars without 
extreme stems or spacer stack. The 56 and 60 will both work but they will 
commit to a racier or comfort driven position. Which all depends on info he 
knows that we dont. Therefore he can take the suggestion FWIW and make a 
decision based on his priorities and hopefully feel a little bit more 
comfortable about his purchase if he has to buy the bike sight unseen. Which is 
the point of asking such a question...I think ;^)

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Re: [RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Jim Bronson]

This item with the Sackville BarSack looks pretty interesting, although,
maybe a bit small to be a Rando bag, which is what I'd want to use it for.
Maybe could use a small rear bag in addition?

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Nitto makes a front rack called the F-15.  It clamps to the 26.0mm part of
> your drop bars and it's a u shaped support around the perimeter of a
> handlebar bag.  Rivendell stocks that rack and has 13 of them in stock as
> of 9/22/16.  Various bag makers offer a bag to fit that rack.  There is a
> Sackville model that Riv also has in stock, but they only have two of the
> bags.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm?CartID=6
>
> My plug is for the rack itself.  It's astonishingly nice.  It looks like
> it should be super floppy but it's surprisingly solid for a typical
> handlebar bag application.  If you own, or ever think you might own a
> typical 'road bike', that doesn't have much in the way of attachment points
> for a normal front rack, the old F-15 is a fantastic option.  I'm running
> mine on a Black Mountain Cycles road bike.  Not only is it way lighter and
> way less expensive than a traditional rack + decaleur setup, but it puts
> the handlebar bag in exactly the same place relative to the handlebars no
> matter which bike I put it on.
>
> In my opinion, anybody in the habit of setting up various bikes with
> various bags should have an F-15 laying around, hence the plug.  Riv has 13
> of the racks but only 2 of the bags to fit it.  Riv is selling the rack for
> $78.  The other two online US vendors that have the F-15 rack in stock are
> asking $95 and $120 for it.  Now's a good time to buy an F-15 rack, (it's
> like picking up free money at $78) and treat yourself to a bag to fit it
> when one comes up for sale, or have Ruthworks make you a custom to match
> your bike.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] A plug to buy something from Rivendell Bicycle Works: A Nitto F-15 rack

[Bill Lindsay]

Nitto makes a front rack called the F-15.  It clamps to the 26.0mm part of 
your drop bars and it's a u shaped support around the perimeter of a 
handlebar bag.  Rivendell stocks that rack and has 13 of them in stock as 
of 9/22/16.  Various bag makers offer a bag to fit that rack.  There is a 
Sackville model that Riv also has in stock, but they only have two of the 
bags.  

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r8.htm?CartID=6

My plug is for the rack itself.  It's astonishingly nice.  It looks like it 
should be super floppy but it's surprisingly solid for a typical handlebar 
bag application.  If you own, or ever think you might own a typical 'road 
bike', that doesn't have much in the way of attachment points for a normal 
front rack, the old F-15 is a fantastic option.  I'm running mine on a 
Black Mountain Cycles road bike.  Not only is it way lighter and way less 
expensive than a traditional rack + decaleur setup, but it puts the 
handlebar bag in exactly the same place relative to the handlebars no 
matter which bike I put it on.  

In my opinion, anybody in the habit of setting up various bikes with 
various bags should have an F-15 laying around, hence the plug.  Riv has 13 
of the racks but only 2 of the bags to fit it.  Riv is selling the rack for 
$78.  The other two online US vendors that have the F-15 rack in stock are 
asking $95 and $120 for it.  Now's a good time to buy an F-15 rack, (it's 
like picking up free money at $78) and treat yourself to a bag to fit it 
when one comes up for sale, or have Ruthworks make you a custom to match 
your bike.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Garth]

   PBH is no absolute either, no method is !  This may be the most 
difficult thing to understand because people are so used to having other 
people tell them what they should want or be like. There are many variables 
of why a frame may be "just right" or not, some you can't even put into 
words let alone any "formula". I look at bike fit as quite personal, as in 
know thyself as no one else does or possibly could.  

  I say forget about trying to "fit into"  a certain bike or frame. We all 
know what we really want but for whatever no good reason it is self denied 
by "settling" for what we don't completely want. Sorry, "money" is not a 
limiting factor, it's just another excuse which amounts to nothing.  This 
is not good or bad, it is what it is, not much as the perfect ride is all 
that matters !

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[RBW] Surly Pacer sizing

[Scott McLain]

I have a 58 pacer and I have an 87 pbh and I am 5-11.  Fits me pretty good.  
Surly publishes stand over heights.  I go off that with an inch or two to 
spare. 

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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Belopsky]

Totally agree that ETT isn't the end-all-be-all, but for something a bit 
more racey/fastish don't you want more weight on the front of the wheel so 
a longer stem? 

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 3:08:05 PM UTC-4, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> I'm with Grant sizing wise 100% on this one about not letting top tube 
> length lead you around to much by the nostrils. My experience with the top 
> tube length has been it is pretty easy to adjust for with a shorter / 
> longer stem and depending on how high your bars are much of that length can 
> be easily eaten up. Also if you do happen to look at the geometry chart on 
> surly's website you will notice that the ETT lengths in the 56 58 sizes of 
> cross check and pacer are very similar. Doesn't really make sense to 
> compare the smaller sizes to middle and larger range. Bikes grow taller 
> much more than they grow longer as sizes go up. Also surly did a little 
> write up about how smaller frames will end up with longer top tubes due to 
> a number of factors. It's worth the read. So again IMHO either frame should 
> have you close enough depending on what you are looking for. Sportier 
> clubish fastish rides 56, bit more distance / comfort oriented but still 
> spirited 58... If I were you I'd personally lean toward the 58. Again just 
> my .02 and I still think the 60 would be worth considering !)

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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Richard Rios]

I'm with Grant sizing wise 100% on this one about not letting top tube length 
lead you around to much by the nostrils. My experience with the top tube length 
has been it is pretty easy to adjust for with a shorter / longer stem and 
depending on how high your bars are much of that length can be easily eaten up. 
Also if you do happen to look at the geometry chart on surly's website you will 
notice that the ETT lengths in the 56 58 sizes of cross check and pacer are 
very similar. Doesn't really make sense to compare the smaller sizes to middle 
and larger range. Bikes grow taller much more than they grow longer as sizes go 
up. Also surly did a little write up about how smaller frames will end up with 
longer top tubes due to a number of factors. It's worth the read. So again IMHO 
either frame should have you close enough depending on what you are looking 
for. Sportier clubish fastish rides 56, bit more distance / comfort oriented 
but still spirited 58... If I were you I'd personally lean toward the 58. Again 
just my .02 and I still think the 60 would be worth considering !)

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RE: [RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Kellie]

Anyone know how long it takes to ship a bike from SF to DC? That is, coast to 
coast?

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RE: [RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Kellie]

Pudge: Thanks so much for the offer. No I'm riding the C&O. I'd love to join up 
with you but tomorrow I have hand surgery. It'll be awhile before I ride. Most 
importantly I don't have my newly ordered Atlantis yet. Can't wait to do trips 
on it! 

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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Belopsky]

It's best to look at the geometry chart to compare, however. The pacer is 
not like the crosscheck or straggler. I can easily ride a 52 pacer, but a 
54 straggler was a bit too long - 54 straggler is a 563.3 top tube, 52 
pacer is a 540 top tube. 54 pacer is a 555..
On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 11:28:12 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Thanks Richard. That's very helpful.
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:31:08 AM UTC+3, Richard Rios wrote:
>>
>> Here's my 02 and this is based off an 85ish pbh and purchasing a cross 
>> check. 56 for modern sporty bars below saddle, 58 for levelish bars. I'd 
>> even consider a 60 If you want them way up there Riv style. Also depends on 
>> how you feel about spacer stack. Surlys come with uncut steerer  tube so if 
>> you don't mind spacers and  upsloping stem you can ride a smaller frame no 
>> prob and still get the bars at a reasonable height.  Lots of variables 
>> though just depends on what you are looking for and aesthetic 
>> preferences...In the end either should work fine with no worries or regrets.
>
>

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RE: [RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

When are you riding on the GAP?  A friend of mine and I are pretty sure we're 
riding from Pittsburgh to DC the second week of October -- love to see you, 
maybe ride some together?

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Subject: [RBW] SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

I did it last year, from Fort Worth to DC, for my C&O tour.  I'm planning to do 
it again this year, pretty soon, for my GAP tour.  It was especially easy for 
me to have my daughter able to receive it at the other end.  I think Bike 
Flights would be less expensive, but much more disassembly/assembly is required.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas



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RE: [RBW] Re: SHIPPING BY AMTRAK

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Are you shipping to Philadelphia?  I'm in Wilmington (about 20 minutes from the 
Phila airport and 25 minutes to Phila Amtrak station, and I'd be happy to pick 
it up for you with some advance notice.

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I've used BikeFlights and it's very reasonable. I just shipped my Cheviot to PA 
for $72. One of my main needs is I do not have a person to send it to, so I'm 
wondering how long Amtrak would hold your bike for you? Did it take 3 days for 
everyone (I'm in SF)? I'd need to coordinate my flight with the bike reaching 
DC. Trying to plan riding the C&O.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 4:45:33 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
Anyone used Amtrak to ship their bike? Trying to get my bike to the east coast. 
Have used BikeFlights, but looking for an alternative.
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[RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Thanks Richard. That's very helpful.

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:31:08 AM UTC+3, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> Here's my 02 and this is based off an 85ish pbh and purchasing a cross 
> check. 56 for modern sporty bars below saddle, 58 for levelish bars. I'd 
> even consider a 60 If you want them way up there Riv style. Also depends on 
> how you feel about spacer stack. Surlys come with uncut steerer  tube so if 
> you don't mind spacers and  upsloping stem you can ride a smaller frame no 
> prob and still get the bars at a reasonable height.  Lots of variables 
> though just depends on what you are looking for and aesthetic 
> preferences...In the end either should work fine with no worries or regrets.

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[RBW] Re: FS: CLEMENTINE complete 52 cm $1100

[Ado Lucas]

https://flic.kr/p/Miwop9

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[RBW] Re: Silver DT shifters on Simplex band braze ons?

[Leif Eckstrom]

PS: seller on eBay has the retrofit huret bands for simplex shifters. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver DT shifters on Simplex band braze ons?

[Leif Eckstrom]

>From what I understand the lower end simplex bands could be either ISO 
>standard M5x0.8 thread or a now little used/seldom found batard/ coarse 
>thread. Not sure where prestige line would land.  If ISO, then the length 
>should be about 20 mm, and a button head socket screw in rounded profile 
>should be easy to find in stainless. I assume if you have braze on mounts they 
>would be threaded to ISO. 

On Flickr, verktyg gives great details about these shifters, And the bands they 
came with and can be retrofitted to. 

Here's one direct link: https://flic.kr/p/a2py7V
Read around in that album. Also, there's a guy selling old huret bands tapped 
to iso for either downtube shifters or sti stops. Around $15. 

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[RBW] Re: Helmets... what do you like?

[stoker]

I have been delighted with my POC Octal. Great fit for my large head, excellent 
cooling vents. Sort of a love it or hate it aesthetic...

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[RBW] Re: FS: late 80's KHS Montana mountain bike frameset/headset plus parts

[franklyn]

An update and repost for sale: (pictures 
 of the frameset as 
well as how it's current built up)

I have this frameset or complete bike for sale. I got the frameset partly 
because it's a curiosity, and partly because it was inexpensive. The 
stickers/decals say it's a KHS Montana Pro. I did some research on the 
internet and figured out that it's probably a late 80's KHS Montana, but 
whether the decals and paint are original I am not certain.

Here are some numbers: 21" (~54cm) seat tube center-to-top; 23" (~ 58cm) 
top tube center-to-center; It has 1" top tube, 28.6mm seat tube and 31.8 
down tube. The fork has a set of mid-fork braze-ons for racks. and the 
frameset has front and rear eyelets at the dropouts, as well as at the seat 
stays for racks/fenders. it uses 26.8mm seatpost.

The frameset itself is in very good shape--straight, no ding or dent. The 
paint has some chip in it, but overall the paint is in good shape too. I 
think the faded pink is a nice color for bikes this vintage. A couple of 
interesting details. There is a plate on top of the chainstays and behind 
the bottom bracket shell. It doesn't have a tap for fenders. Perhaps it's a 
mud shield. It also has a pump peg behind the seat tube. Finally, it has 
braze-ons for U-brakes or rollercam brakes. 

I have respaced the rear drop out to 130mm and installed the headset. It 
uses an older standard steerer tube with inner diameter of 21.1mm (or 
.833"). I am including a Sunlite "dirt drop" high-rise style stem as part 
of the sale.

It takes 26" rim-brake wheels. I built it up with 650b wheels as a drop-bar 
touring bike/commuter. I originally intended to use wider 650b tires such 
as the Schwalbe Thunder Burt, but they wouldn't fit. In this configuration, 
it can take 650b 42mm tires (the pictures show it with Panaracer Pari Moto 
42mm tires) with fenders. It can probably take 650b 48mm tires without 
fenders. With 26" wheels, it can take much wider tires. I am selling 
because I got a more purpose-built 650b frameset that can take 50mm+ tires.

Price for frame/fork/headset/stem/U-brake/Titec 26.8mm seatpost/frame pump 
is $95 + shipping (using bikeflight)

Additional components to be sold with the frameset, but not separately (all 
prices do not include shipping):
- Cockpit: Velo Orange Course 44cm handlebar + Origin8/Tektro aero brake 
levers + Suntour barcon shifters for additional $45
- Front regular OR mini V-brakes: $15
- Altus triple crankset (170mm 46/36/26T) + Shimano front derailleur + 
Deore DX rear derailleur: $30
- 650b wheelset: Velocity hub 135mm laced to Weinmann Zac19 rim and Shimano 
LX front hub laced to Velocity Synergy rim $75 
- SKS half frame bag (see in picture) basically new; good capacity; $15

(pictures  of the 
frameset as well as how it's current built up)

Contact me if you are interested,

Franklyn
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Skeletons in my Closet (Compass, Pauls, Brooks, Nitto, Schmidt, Carradice, Fairweather, Randi Jo, Road Runner bags, MAP/Ahearne, Microshift)

[Philip Kim]

Thanks to everyone reaching out --- update on whats left. I'll try to ship 
out everything on Friday. Paul V-Brake Levers, Brooks Ergon grips, and 
Schmidt dyno seatpost tail light left.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:58:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> updated what has sold, as well as better description of some items.
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 3:07:15 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>>
>> Going on a trip to Wyoming shortly, and have some stuff that haven’t seen 
>> much use and trying to pack lighter on my biking trips, shipping CONUS via 
>> USPS:
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> *(SOLD) * Compass Rat Trap Pass Extra Light version, black (pair). ran 
>> them 40 miles tubeless - $125 shipped 
>>
>
>> *(SOLD)  *MAP / Ahearne Bars 610mm - $37 + shipping (should run about 
>> $8-12 dollars shipping)
>>
>>
>> Paul Long Pull Brake levers, silver anondized "2.5" version, which is 
>> longer lever than the compact (v-brake compatible). These will not work 
>> with cantis, road calipers, or road discs. For V brakes, and other long 
>> pull brakes like mountain disc brakes, etc. - $70 shipped
>>
>>
>> *(SOLD)  *Microshift 10 speed MTB thumb shifters, compatible with 
>> Shimano Dynasys Rear derailleurs - $40 shipped
>>
>>
>> Brooks Ergon Grips, brown leather, 40 miles - $60 shipped
>>
>>
>> *(SOLD) *Nitto 25.4 short height quill stem, 70mm reach, 75mm from 
>> minimum insertion line. It is this one 
>>  
>>  - $25 shipped
>>
>>
>> *(SOLD) *Smart Sam Folding Bead, tubeless compatible. I've set it up 
>> tubeless, on Atlas rims with stans tape and it worked well for me.  26x2.15 
>> - $45 shipped
>>
>>
>> Schmidt SON Seat Post Tail Light (dynamo powered), silver with red light 
>> display, new. Decided to do Compass Tail Light while getting frame modified 
>> after I got this light - $65 shipped
>>
>>
>> *(SOLD)  *Carradice Camper Long Flap saddle bag, olive, used once 
>> commuting loads of space - $120 shipped
>>
>>
>> *(SOLD) *Fairweather Half Frame Bag, XPAC Black - $55 shipped
>>
>>
>> *(SOLD) *Road Runner Front Runner bag 
>> , attaches to 
>> mini front rack and handlebars, XPAC black. Bungeed top, with a flap over. 
>> Used a few times, I won’t be sorry if this doesn’t sell - $110 shipped
>>
>>
>> *(SOLD) *Randi Jo Bartender Bag, Black Corduroy, used once. Got two of 
>> these, but one is good for me - $30 shipped
>>
>>
>>
>> If you buy multiple things and I can cut down on shipping, I can 
>> certainly pass the savings down to you.
>>
>>
>> I'll try to get a link up with pictures when I get home, but might be 
>> working on my Pelican instead (off days are hard to come by these days). 
>> Shoot me a PM and I'll just email you pics from my phone. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS-64 cm Creamsicle Rambouillet 650 conversion, full bike. $1750

[Alan Lavine]

BB height on the Ram with compass 42 tires = 26 cm.
> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:24 PM, Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd call a 2.5mm difference in BB height functionally the same. Would you 
> tell someone they shouldn't run 172.5mm cranks on a Rivendell? 
> 
> Philip
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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[RichS]

Welcome to the group and congratulations on becoming an owner of a 
Rivendell. They're addictive. You may find yourself adding a companion to 
the SH!

Best wishes,
Richard

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 6:28:15 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver DT shifters on Simplex band braze ons?

[scott]

I've done this but you need longer bolts. I used to know the size, but that 
was long ago. I bought them at the hardware store. 
  Scott

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:30:41 AM UTC-5, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> Is this possible?  I'd really like to upgrade to the Silvers from the not 
> so smooth Prestige shifters on my PX50.  

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