[RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

2016-11-05 Thread Jim M.
There's a Legolas group on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/groups/1618612@N23

My fav is the copper.

jim m
wc, ca

On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-7, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> I have one on order but can't decide on a color.  Inspiration wanted. 
>  Thanks.

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[RBW] Show me your Legolas

2016-11-05 Thread Call Me Jay
I have one on order but can't decide on a color.  Inspiration wanted.  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Locks

2016-11-05 Thread Jon Dukeman,central Colorado
I have missed many a lunch after ride or "meet for coffee" rides due to me 
being worried about my bike being stolen or not having my lock with me due 
to weight.I have a Kryptonite NewYork U-lock..5 lbs
I'm leaning towards the Abus Bordo 6500 or the Litelok.
Here's a site that Drew mentioned.
You can look up your lock or find a list of Gold standard rated locks.
http://www.soldsecure.com/
Click on Approved Product Search. For what it's worth..
Jon


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[RBW] Re: New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

2016-11-05 Thread Chris Birkenmaier
Spent almost 4 hours at the expo. I enjoyed it as usual although I think last 
year was a bit better with the exhibitors,  however I am not going to complain 
about having this event close to me.  Made for a good afternoon of fun

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heine Heron, Petersen Heron, and other Heron models?

2016-11-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Good to know that Heron carries on. Their models sound interesting.



On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
> Heron Bikes, history etc. and more etc.  http://www.heronbicycles.com/
> faq.html
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>>
>> The "Heron" name pops up from time to time here and it sounds like there
>> were even more types of Herons made, so it gets confusing which bike model
>> is actually being talked about.
>>
>> Also, it sounds like Heron is a bike company in itself and may have their
>> own designed models.
>>
>> Any info would be educational, thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

2016-11-05 Thread Grant Petersen
The pricing of Silver parts and kits is "non-strategic" and is supposed to
be person-friendly, so you don't feel like a bad money-manger for buying
components separately. A critic could see the whole shebang price as not
offering any discount, but we go at it from the other way. It's hard to
apply the same coat of paint to all items and circumstances--like, we
often-especially-these-days try to offer early-buyer prices, or "faith
buyer" prices to those who pay for bikes or frames before then arrive. That
pricing is driven entirely by my wanting my wife, who pays bills, to have a
less miserable existence.In the early years I was fouling up the books
myself, and that, combined with a brand new baby was some incentive to drop
out of her job as assistant head of a school (which had tons of
future-promise) and stay home, watch baby, do RBW books).
But she hates it and works uncomplainingly and fails to hide her stress at
crunch time. That leads to early-pay discounts and less guilt for me and
less stress for her.
It all works out! Except that RBW derailed her from what would have been a
more satisfying life...alas, and boo on me for that.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Bill is right.
>
> That is what happened when I order the kit.  The shifters and pods were
> added to the kit list but they all had zero dollars, except the kit. I get
> mine Monday.
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Not exactly true.  You do need a different shifter washer thingy for
>> bar-end setup vs downtube setup, but when you buy the kit, you get BOTH.
>> Put item #17089 in your basket and you will see what I mean.  When you buy
>> the bar-end KIT in your basket, all it does it put a set of downtube
>> shifters in your basket (which has the right washer thingy for downtube)
>> and it puts a set of bar end pods in your basket (which has the right
>> washer thingy for bar-end setup).  You can use them either way and you have
>> a set of extra washer thingies for setting them up the other way later.
>>
>> If you bought a complete bike with barend shifters and want to move them
>> to downtube, then you'll need to go buy the right washer thingies.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 1:03:50 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>>
>>> If you buy the bar end kit you should buy the "little travel stop
>>> washer thingy " to go along with it for downtube use. Riv sells that
>>> piece separately. It is round with a tab that stick out and a square
>>> hole that fits over your frame boss.
>>>
>>> On 11/4/16, masmojo  wrote:
>>> > A few things:
>>> > First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as
>>> the
>>> > downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that,
>>> the
>>> > bar end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones
>>> with
>>> > the Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube configuration. So
>>> it's the
>>> > same, just different.
>>> > You could use the silvers on a 10 speed cluster, if you have a
>>> suitable
>>> > derailleur, but you might want to use something like the Wolftooth
>>> Tanpan to
>>> > handle the needed additional cable travel. I personally just used the
>>> new
>>> > Dia-Compe 11s shifter that VO is selling, downtube & shifts smooth as
>>> butter
>>> > with the XTR derailleur.
>>> > I have the SS1s on my Drakkar & I love'em, but they do stick out
>>> rather a
>>> > lot when mounted on bar pods and I have nastily poked people (not on
>>> > purpose) with them while riding the train. I  welcome the new
>>>  compacty,
>>> > ergoness!
>>> >
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[RBW] Re: Heine Heron, Petersen Heron, and other Heron models?

2016-11-05 Thread Garth

Heron Bikes, history etc. and more etc.  
http://www.heronbicycles.com/faq.html



On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
>
> The "Heron" name pops up from time to time here and it sounds like there 
> were even more types of Herons made, so it gets confusing which bike model 
> is actually being talked about.
>
> Also, it sounds like Heron is a bike company in itself and may have their 
> own designed models.
>
> Any info would be educational, thanks.
>

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Re: [RBW] 650b Atlantis Pic on the BLUG

2016-11-05 Thread Ray Varella
Does anyone know which sizes will sport the 650b wheel size?

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

2016-11-05 Thread lum gim fong
I have used them as DT, Noodle,  Alba, and Moustache bar ends. They are 
fantastic shifters and so good looking.

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[RBW] Heine Heron, Petersen Heron, and other Heron models?

2016-11-05 Thread lum gim fong

The "Heron" name pops up from time to time here and it sounds like there 
were even more types of Herons made, so it gets confusing which bike model 
is actually being talked about.

Also, it sounds like Heron is a bike company in itself and may have their 
own designed models.

Any info would be educational, thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

2016-11-05 Thread Paul Clifton
Thanks for the details Bill, Lee, Dave and masmojo. I picked up the kit. 
Looking forward to some smooth shifting.

Paul in ATL

On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 4:42:08 PM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Bill is right.
>  
> That is what happened when I order the kit.  The shifters and pods were 
> added to the kit list but they all had zero dollars, except the kit. I get 
> mine Monday.
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Not exactly true.  You do need a different shifter washer thingy for 
>> bar-end setup vs downtube setup, but when you buy the kit, you get BOTH.  
>> Put item #17089 in your basket and you will see what I mean.  When you buy 
>> the bar-end KIT in your basket, all it does it put a set of downtube 
>> shifters in your basket (which has the right washer thingy for downtube) 
>> and it puts a set of bar end pods in your basket (which has the right 
>> washer thingy for bar-end setup).  You can use them either way and you have 
>> a set of extra washer thingies for setting them up the other way later.  
>>
>> If you bought a complete bike with barend shifters and want to move them 
>> to downtube, then you'll need to go buy the right washer thingies.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 1:03:50 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>>
>>> If you buy the bar end kit you should buy the "little travel stop 
>>> washer thingy " to go along with it for downtube use. Riv sells that 
>>> piece separately. It is round with a tab that stick out and a square 
>>> hole that fits over your frame boss. 
>>>
>>> On 11/4/16, masmojo  wrote: 
>>> > A few things: 
>>> > First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as 
>>> the 
>>> > downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that, 
>>> the 
>>> > bar end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones 
>>> with 
>>> > the Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube configuration. So 
>>> it's the 
>>> > same, just different. 
>>> > You could use the silvers on a 10 speed cluster, if you have a 
>>> suitable 
>>> > derailleur, but you might want to use something like the Wolftooth 
>>> Tanpan to 
>>> > handle the needed additional cable travel. I personally just used the 
>>> new 
>>> > Dia-Compe 11s shifter that VO is selling, downtube & shifts smooth as 
>>> butter 
>>> > with the XTR derailleur. 
>>> > I have the SS1s on my Drakkar & I love'em, but they do stick out 
>>> rather a 
>>> > lot when mounted on bar pods and I have nastily poked people (not on 
>>> > purpose) with them while riding the train. I  welcome the new 
>>>  compacty, 
>>> > ergoness! 
>>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Build

2016-11-05 Thread Howard Hatten
Igor
I purchased the wheels from the LBS a couple years ago

Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] Cheviot Build

2016-11-05 Thread Belopsky
Looks good Howard. who built the wheels?

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[RBW] Re: New Hilsen in the Wissahickon

2016-11-05 Thread Eric Karnes
Let's do it!

Unfortunately, I have to miss the bike expo this year. I'm in San Diego for 
work and couldn't get back in time. Still pretty bummed. Oh well!

Eric


On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 12:39:21 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Shinefeld wrote:
>
> Eric, your bike is gorgeous. Perfect proportions to my eye. I'm also in 
> Phila (650 Rambouillet) and would enjoy a local Riv ride. 
> Jon
>
> On Saturday, October 29, 2016 at 8:36:09 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> After six months with the commuter SimpleOne as my only bike, I decided 
>> to build up a geared bike for longer rides into the wooded areas outside of 
>> Center City Philadelphia. I ended up picking up a wonderful Hilsen frame 
>> from list member Charles (to whom I had previously sold my Roadeo). While 
>> the old 62cm Rivs are perfect for me, I went with a 61 in case I ever want 
>> my short torso to be comfortable on a drop setup. But for now it's sporting 
>> sweptback bars. Build-wise, I didn't have much money to spend, so my goal 
>> on this bike was to build it up for free. So every part is either (a) from 
>> my existing parts bin; (b) acquired via trade; or (c) purchased with funds 
>> from parts  sold here or on eBay. 
>>
>> The last two weeks, I've been taking it for some long rides up into the 
>> Wissahickon Park on the outskirts of Philly. And it's great! The low bottom 
>> bracket makes it s stable, but still zippy. Fantastic. There are still 
>> a few things I need to dial in. I was having back pain when I first started 
>> riding it. Couldn't figure out why, as the reach and bar height was 
>> consistent with my SimpleOne. Then I halfway through the ride today 
>> realized I was riding the AHH in shoes with much thinner soles. Lowered the 
>> seat a bit and that seems to have helped. I'm still on the fence about the 
>> albatross bars, Ergon grips, and friction shifting. But I'll live with them 
>> for a while and see if they grow on me (and to be fair, the friction 
>> shifting issues are likely due to my mediocre mechanical skills). 
>>
>> Anyways, it was a beautiful ride today. And my route out to the park 
>> passed a major regatta on the Schuylkill River. Universities from up and 
>> down the east coast were competing. So I took some water breaks to watch 
>> the action. Hope all you east coasters also get some autumnal rides in this 
>> weekend!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] 650b Atlantis Pic on the BLUG

2016-11-05 Thread twowheeledtexan

>
> I've had a 56cm 650b Hunq on order since August. Don't know when it'll get 
> here, but can't wait!



On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 6:42:18 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> Aren't they going proportional? Big-700c, medium-650b, small-26". That was 
> my take. I have a beloved 700c hunq, but a 56cm with 650b is s damn 
> tempting. 

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

2016-11-05 Thread twowheeledtexan
Hello all, 
I'm the new owner of the previously mentioned Heron, and also an owner of a 
58cm 2TT Sam. I thought I'd drop a line and give my initial impressions 
after only a couple commutes.

My attraction to the Heron was mainly the canti brakes. I live in the PNW 
and commute on my Sam, my 230lbs plus gear, rain, and hills is more than I 
feel the brakes on the Sam can handle. First were the long reach Tektros, 
currently using Paul centerpulls which are only marginally better. On 
braking, the Heron wins easily with cantis.

The frame is certainly livelier. Lighter tubing than the Sam as previously 
mentioned and the Sam has a 2TT. Heron rides more like my Romulus, and the 
Sam feels more planted and firmer. The geometry of the Heron I also like 
better, though that's a personal preference. The front end feels like it's 
a lower trail than the Sam, it has that wheel flop turn in that a low trail 
bike exhibits. The Heron also tracks straighter while riding no hands. The 
Sam had a tendency to wander a bit at high speed. It would move a little 
left, then a little right, almost like being billowed by wind. It wasn't a 
shimmy, but nevertheless it was a sensation that I didn't like. So far the 
Heron tracks straight. 

I'll update as I have more time on the Heron. I did really enjoy my Sam and 
if it had cantis I'd still be riding it. FYI, my Sam will be up for sale in 
the coming weeks after I move parts around and get settled into the Heron. 
If you're interested drop me a line. 

Aaron

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 10:07:31 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

> I'm thinking about the Heron posted earlier to replace my Sam for c daily 
> commuting and other on road bicycle related activities. My only other bike 
> is a Brompton and that's all I have room for. I wasn't aware of Riv or GP 
> when the Heron was current. Where does it fit in to the pantheon? Thoughts 
> on the pros and cons of each model? 

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Re: [RBW] 650b Atlantis Pic on the BLUG

2016-11-05 Thread drew
It's a 54, and it's essentially perfect. I'll keep it and be happy. Id, I 
think, fit a 56 a little better and I'm a fan of smaller wheels, aesthetically. 
That's all. Zero complaints about my hunq though. 

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