Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[drew]

My caliper (Paul racer) Sam fits 700x50 tires just fine, and I've run 42s with 
fenders just fine as well. Neither felt like I was pushing it.

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[RBW] Re: XL frames and 650b experiences

[lum gim fong]

Tektro R559's with Koolstop mtn pads?

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[RBW] Re: XL frames and 650b experiences

[David Banzer]

Better photo here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BKyr5k9DUER/

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 8:55:59 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
> I've done a lot of 650b conversions, just have one right now. 
> 65cm Riv Redwood. 
> Fits WTB Horizons and fenders. 
> Some Rock n Roads would be a possibility too. 
> I'm going to try some 750 centerpulls for fun, but Telford have worked okay. 
> David
> River Grove, IL
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 8:39:59 AM UTC-6, Abcyclehank wrote:
> > Just completed my fleet by purchasing a Joe/Joe 68cm Riv Custom frameset.  
> > Considering a 650b build possibly due to severe overlap of ride options.  
> > Plan to reconfigure the 68cm Atlantis and 64cm Bombadil also. Will 
> > constitute my winter projects here during an uncertain Michigan winter.  
> > Currently 60 degrees on Nov. 6th, loving the extended fall riding season.  
> > Not even thinking about hanging up the classics and dragging out the XXL 
> > Moonlander yet.
> > 
> > What specific experiences have fellow listers had with conversions?
> > 
> > Ryan Hankinson
> > West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. And yours is from 2009, which would be about the same time, or
perhaps just a year or so later than mine was made. Point granted.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Chris--That's a handsome bike!
>
> Patrick--Here are a couple of (admittedly very poor) clearance shots with
> the Shikoro 42s. The clearance is roughly a pinky's thickness on each side
> of the tire in front. Similar in back.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Christopher Cote]

Those are WTB Nano 700x40. They measure 37mm on my rims. That's the biggest 
that would fit in the chainstays.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Patrick Moore]

My Sam had cantilevers (IRDs, set up by Riv staff -- best brakes I've ever
used in terms of stopping power, light touch, and modulation or feel --
and, while it's been 6-7 years, I don't think mine could take such fat
tires. I ran Jack Brown Greens. Perhaps I mis-remember.

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> Patrick Moore said: "IIRC (my Sam Hill was an earlier model), the Sam
> can't fit tires much fatter."
>
> I run 42 mm Soma Shikoros on my '09 (canti) Sam, and could likely do so
> with fenders, though I haven't tried. I have also tried 47 mm Marathons
> without issue. Other folks even run 50 mm Big Bens, though I don't think
> they actually measure at 50 mm, and the clearance gets a bit sketchy.
> Anyway, my point being, if 10 mm is significant, which to me it is, then
> the Sam (at least the canti version) has significantly more clearance.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Bob K.]

Patrick Moore said: "IIRC (my Sam Hill was an earlier model), the Sam can't fit 
tires much fatter."

I run 42 mm Soma Shikoros on my '09 (canti) Sam, and could likely do so with 
fenders, though I haven't tried. I have also tried 47 mm Marathons without 
issue. Other folks even run 50 mm Big Bens, though I don't think they actually 
measure at 50 mm, and the clearance gets a bit sketchy. Anyway, my point being, 
if 10 mm is significant, which to me it is, then the Sam (at least the canti 
version) has significantly more clearance.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Heine Heron, Petersen Heron, and other Heron models?

[reynoldslugs]

Road Heron was the first bike I got from Rivendell, 1990-something.  The bike 
lives on as a 650b.  Lotta good miles on this one:

https://flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157642068014924

Max Beach
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[RBW] Re: headset adjustment

[Minh]

Jim don't be afraid! it will be obvious if you have not adjusted it 
properly, too loose and it will wobble, too tight and you won't be able to 
steer, both of which you will be able to catch and adjust right away.  

if you get really frustrated, try and find an open workshop day at a 
bicycle co-op, headset adjustment is not hard, but sometimes you need 
someone to show you before it 'clicks'

On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 1:19:10 PM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was going to attempt a headset adjustment, which I've never done. I need 
> to buy two wrenches to do the job. It's probably obvious to others, but I 
> can't figure out what size wrench to buy to adjust the headsets on my 
> Rivendells. Are they all going to be 32 mm? That appears to be the most 
> common size. 
>
> Thanks in advance for any answers.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Clemiversary, or, Lost and Found Again: A Clem's Journey

[Wayne Naha]

That's a great story, and an even better bicycle.  So glad your Clem was 
recovered.  I would be so upset if mine were to be stolen!  The Clem really 
is a great bike, even if it is an 'entry level' Riv :)


On Sunday, November 6, 2016 at 12:35:35 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>
> Ian, currently dreaming of a 650b Atlantis
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Andrew Patteson]

Here's my 1983 Trek 600.  It had a tragic encounter with a curb a few weeks 
after this was taken :(

Go for it!  Most issues can be worked out or around but really long cranks 
might be a problem.

Andrew in SLC

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>
> Eric 
> Both of these examples are beautiful.  Provided a ton of potential 
> answers.  Areas of concern currently are brake issues but I have a set of 
> Silvers, and am willing to modify if necessary (although looks fine during 
> mock up).  Bottom bracket drop also is a potential concern asI generally 
> run 180mm-200mm cranks.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan Hankinson
>
> Follow up thought... Is it possible to convert a bike with 
> canti-brakes?
>
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[RBW] A Clemiversary, or, Lost and Found Again: A Clem's Journey

[drew]

Awesome. Looks twice as badass with the reg bull moose bars. 

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Re: [RBW] headset adjustment

[Patrick Moore]

My Rivs have all had 32 mm flats on the headset bits. I'd get a 32 mm
adjustable cup wrench, and spend the change on a big, decent quality
adjustable wrench which is also useful for bb assembly removal and hitting
the dog. (And for many other things; just kidding about the dog; he's
already cowed and obeys me implicitly.)

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jim S.  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was going to attempt a headset adjustment, which I've never done. I need
> to buy two wrenches to do the job. It's probably obvious to others, but I
> can't figure out what size wrench to buy to adjust the headsets on my
> Rivendells. Are they all going to be 32 mm? That appears to be the most
> common size.
>
> Thanks in advance for any answers.
>
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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Abcyclehank]

Eric 
Both of these examples are beautiful.  Provided a ton of potential answers.  
Areas of concern currently are brake issues but I have a set of Silvers, and am 
willing to modify if necessary (although looks fine during mock up).  Bottom 
bracket drop also is a potential concern asI generally run 180mm-200mm cranks.

Thanks,
Ryan Hankinson

Follow up thought... Is it possible to convert a bike with canti-brakes?

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Re: [RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Eric Daume]

Here are some pictures of my 25" Raleigh Technium 650B conversion;

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2016/09/raleigh-technium-650b-conversion.html

After riding it for a bit, I like the wheels and tires, like the tires,
hate the brakes, and am ambivalent about the handling.

The frame is nice and flexy and fun, the wheels are tough, and the tires
are supple. The Odyssey brakes are junk--no feel, and I can't even skid the
rear tire, they're so weak. In fact, when I tried to skid the rear tire,
the brake just flexed up to where I could hear it hit the tire. I like the
handling in general, but this morning's trip to the library with a few
small hardbacks in my handlebar bag wasn't a model of delightful handling:
I could definitely feel some wind up and delay as I initiated turns. Maybe
I'm just trying to justify a Soma Grand Randonneur.

Here are some pictures of my first conversion, a Trek 620:

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2014/12/trek-620-650b-conversion.html

This one worked out well overall, but awful Pacenti rims killed it. I could
not reliably get a tire to set without pinching the tube on those.

Eric


On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Abcyclehank  wrote:

> Just completed my fleet by purchasing a Joe/Joe 68cm Riv Custom frameset.
> Considering a 650b build possibly due to severe overlap of ride options.
> Plan to reconfigure the 68cm Atlantis and 64cm Bombadil also. Will
> constitute my winter projects here during an uncertain Michigan winter.
> Currently 60 degrees on Nov. 6th, loving the extended fall riding season.
> Not even thinking about hanging up the classics and dragging out the XXL
> Moonlander yet.
>
> What specific experiences have fellow listers had with conversions?
>
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
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[RBW] headset adjustment

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, all 1-inch threaded headsets use a 32mm adjusting nut. You only need one 
32 wrench for the adjuster, the locknut can be snugged down with a standard 
crescent (adjustable) wrench.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

[Patrick Moore]

Both are very nice looking bikes, but that Legolas is particularly pretty,
and a very becoming combination of retro and new. How wide a tire will the
Legolas take without fenders?

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 12:01 PM, reynoldslugs  wrote:

> The Legolas and Roadeo are two of my favorites.
>
> Here's a current version of my red Legolas (the first iteration of this
> bike is cyclofiend's maxie0309 link, posted earlier):
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157645542691980
>
> And the battleship grey - kidney bean Roadeo is also a pretty bike:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/5311064214/in/
> album-72157625591313441/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625765337223
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157641926758965
>
> ATMO, the Legolas looks amazing in pretty much any color.
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA
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[RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

[reynoldslugs]

The Legolas and Roadeo are two of my favorites.

Here's a current version of my red Legolas (the first iteration of this 
bike is cyclofiend's maxie0309 link, posted earlier):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157645542691980

And the battleship grey - kidney bean Roadeo is also a pretty bike:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/5311064214/in/album-72157625591313441/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625765337223

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157641926758965

ATMO, the Legolas looks amazing in pretty much any color.

Max Beach
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[RBW] headset adjustment

[Jim S.]

Hi all,

I was going to attempt a headset adjustment, which I've never done. I need 
to buy two wrenches to do the job. It's probably obvious to others, but I 
can't figure out what size wrench to buy to adjust the headsets on my 
Rivendells. Are they all going to be 32 mm? That appears to be the most 
common size. 

Thanks in advance for any answers.


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[RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Kai Vierstra]

I've no experience in conversions, but I'm looking forward to photos of your 
experiences with those big bikes!
-Kai
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] A Clemiversary, or, Lost and Found Again: A Clem's Journey

[ian m]

Clem Smith Jr. arrived this month last year! I threw mine together in one 
long night after work, cannibalizing other bikes, and by the next day it 
was already the most comfortable bike I had ever ridden. Smooth and stable, 
this Clem rode with aplomb down steep hills and flew over mangled city 
streets. I had never felt so IN a bicycle, and at high speeds leaning into 
turns it instilled a confidence I never had when being ON a bicycle. 
Vintage mountain bikes of Northern California are for me something of the 
Platonic Ideal of bicycles, so of course I had to have Clem reflect that. 
The og bullmoose bars are a perfect fit, giving a bit more aggressive 
position than the super upright boscos that were on the test bike I rode at 
RivHQ. While Clem's (who if the DIY decal kit had come to fruition may have 
been renamed Mount Clemalpais or Mt Clem) long chainstays make it tough to 
lift the front end over obstacles, it still feels at home on path and 
trail, with large tires rolling over everything but the biggest roots. This 
being primarily a commuter with on and off road touring aspirations, I 
initially installed the trusty Pass & Stow rack, but have since found the 
ride feels a bit nicer without the large rack which may stiffen the front 
end a bit too much.




   Clem v.1




   The best use for a large and strong front rack, plus fat tires to help 
smooth out those streets.




   Equally at home off road, even when the trails are a little icy




   Clem in full camping regalia


This July Clem was stolen. The cable lock was cut while on my front porch. 
What a disaster. But all was not lost! One long week later my incredible 
partner found Clem leaning against a frat house, U lock still holding the 
frayed cable on the frame, flat front tire, coffee mug still in bottle 
cage. She walked right up to the house, took it back, and locked it to her 
bike until a friend came to pick it up and return it home. What a day! 
Moral of the story: never trust a cable lock. Since then I have replaced 
the triple with a wide/low double, regressed to 8 speeds, replaced the P 
with small Nitto/Wald combo, built a generator wheel with SP hub and Atlas 
rim and connected that to the Lumotec Eyc. Great combo for budget generator 
setup, although the flickering at low speed can be a bit annoying. There's 
an easy fix for that though




   Steel


All in all, I couldn't be happier with the Clem. After scouring craigslist 
and this forum for close to a year, hoping I would find a nice used 
Atlantis or Hunq at a price I could justify, I thought I'd never be able to 
own a Rivendell. The Clem puts that dream within reach for those of us 
unable to afford those models, and in no way feels cheap or like a lesser 
bike. I hope they continue to offer the Clem in some form or another, 
because they are very much a gateway Rivendell for those who weren't sure 
the Rivs are all their fans say they are (they are).


Ian, currently dreaming of a 650b Atlantis



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[RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

[Jim Edgar]

Not a lot of those in the wild... 

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx063-jimmather0510.html

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2009/cx049-maxie0309.html

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/albums/72157638961642965


other Riv-models can be found here:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/cc-maker.html#rivendell



On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-7, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> I have one on order but can't decide on a color.  Inspiration wanted. 
>  Thanks.

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[RBW] XL frames and 650b experiences

[Abcyclehank]

Just completed my fleet by purchasing a Joe/Joe 68cm Riv Custom frameset.  
Considering a 650b build possibly due to severe overlap of ride options.  Plan 
to reconfigure the 68cm Atlantis and 64cm Bombadil also. Will constitute my 
winter projects here during an uncertain Michigan winter.  Currently 60 degrees 
on Nov. 6th, loving the extended fall riding season.  Not even thinking about 
hanging up the classics and dragging out the XXL Moonlander yet.

What specific experiences have fellow listers had with conversions?

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Clem Smith Jr with Alternate Handlebars? - Choco-moose

[Nels Sorenson]

Soma Oxford on a 52 frame for me. I also found the original Boscos a little too 
long and trimmed them a half inch. Needed more room especially with bar end 
shifters. The Somas work well, no more thigh strike. I have a pair of used 
Albatross bars coming to see how they compare as they are slightly wider than 
the Somas. I have wide shoulders so more width would be welcome. 

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Re: [RBW] Forum post stats?

[Big Clem]

Link works in Google Chrome - you are tied for #1 poster this month and #5 
all-time! :)

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 12:28:31 AM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Link not showing it

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Re: [RBW] 650b Atlantis Pic on the BLUG

[Max S]

ooh!... I'd been trying to save up for a 56cm / 650b Hunqapillar, but now 
that there's a 650b Atlantis... 

- Max

On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 9:42:18 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> Aren't they going proportional? Big-700c, medium-650b, small-26". That was 
> my take. I have a beloved 700c hunq, but a 56cm with 650b is s damn 
> tempting. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot Build

[Les Lammers]

Looks great! I have a gray frame too and hope to have it built up next 
week. 

On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 5:04:08 PM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:

> I found some time to get my frame built up. I've only been on a couple of 
> short rides and I'm enjoying this bike tons. I still have to wrap the bars 
> and build up a Dyno wheel set. 
> Some photos of where I'm at so far. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/136422809@N08/shares/32X8vB
>
> Off for a ride
> Howard
> Livonia Mi. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Heine Heron, Petersen Heron, and other Heron models?

[hugh flynn]

A few shots of an original Heron/Waterford road model. Love this bike.


https://flickr.com/photos/108619385@N05/sets/72157644631896944


Hugh


On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Good to know that Heron carries on. Their models sound interesting.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Garth  > wrote:
>
>>
>> Heron Bikes, history etc. and more etc. 
>> http://www.heronbicycles.com/faq.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 1:15:39 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The "Heron" name pops up from time to time here and it sounds like there
>>> were even more types of Herons made, so it gets confusing which bike model
>>> is actually being talked about.
>>>
>>> Also, it sounds like Heron is a bike company in itself and may have
>>> their own designed models.
>>>
>>> Any info would be educational, thanks.
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Retroshift 1x10 Shifter Set and Retroshift Burd RD

[Geeter]

This shifter setup has only a few hundred miles on it. 

 The shifters use Shimano pull ratio so will work with any 10spd Shimano 
derailleur as far as I know. Same goes for the RD - should work with any 
10spd Shimano shifters.

Asking $140 Shipped

email me off the board for info!

-Dave


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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

[Christopher Cote]

Hi all, this is my first post on this board, I've been lurking for a while. 
I recognize a lot of names from when I was active in the old iBOB mailing 
list years ago. Anyway, I signed up here because I'm considering a 
replacement for my Heron Touring. It's featued on Cyclofiend's "current 
classics" page here: 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc056-christophercote1105.html. I like 
the bike, it is comfortable and rides great, but I am in the "I don't like 
cantilever brakes" camp. I've had a few different brakes on it, each one 
lauded when it came out as the best canti that solves all the problems with 
cantis, but they all squeal, shudder, and don't brake as well as the 
calipers on my other bikes. I was considering the Hillborne. So, this 
review is a real eye-opener. I'm going to have to give this some 
consideration.

On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 4:18:29 AM UTC-4, twowheeledtexan wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
> I'm the new owner of the previously mentioned Heron, and also an owner of 
> a 58cm 2TT Sam. I thought I'd drop a line and give my initial impressions 
> after only a couple commutes.
>
> My attraction to the Heron was mainly the canti brakes. I live in the PNW 
> and commute on my Sam, my 230lbs plus gear, rain, and hills is more than I 
> feel the brakes on the Sam can handle. First were the long reach Tektros, 
> currently using Paul centerpulls which are only marginally better. On 
> braking, the Heron wins easily with cantis.
>
> The frame is certainly livelier. Lighter tubing than the Sam as previously 
> mentioned and the Sam has a 2TT. Heron rides more like my Romulus, and the 
> Sam feels more planted and firmer. The geometry of the Heron I also like 
> better, though that's a personal preference. The front end feels like it's 
> a lower trail than the Sam, it has that wheel flop turn in that a low trail 
> bike exhibits. The Heron also tracks straighter while riding no hands. The 
> Sam had a tendency to wander a bit at high speed. It would move a little 
> left, then a little right, almost like being billowed by wind. It wasn't a 
> shimmy, but nevertheless it was a sensation that I didn't like. So far the 
> Heron tracks straight. 
>
> I'll update as I have more time on the Heron. I did really enjoy my Sam 
> and if it had cantis I'd still be riding it. FYI, my Sam will be up for 
> sale in the coming weeks after I move parts around and get settled into the 
> Heron. If you're interested drop me a line. 
>
> Aaron
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 10:07:31 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking about the Heron posted earlier to replace my Sam for c daily 
>> commuting and other on road bicycle related activities. My only other bike 
>> is a Brompton and that's all I have room for. I wasn't aware of Riv or GP 
>> when the Heron was current. Where does it fit in to the pantheon? Thoughts 
>> on the pros and cons of each model? 
>
>

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