Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

By the way, there is a ridiculous disconnect between the prices of Carridice 
stuff ordered from the UK vs the US. Look at SJS and others. And that was 
before Brexit demolished the pound. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Orc]

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 7:36:24 PM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Then the Bagman breaks and
>

... you go out and buy one of the Ocean Air bagman clones?

-david parsons 

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Bosco bars 55 or 58cm

[yrgdplstv]

In search of 55cm or 58cm Boscos for an MB-2 resurrectio project. Please PM me 
with any leads. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Justin August]

The All-City Mr Pink looks great. If I could get one at a reasonable price with 
the old steelfork I'd be all over it.

-Justin

On Apr 10, 2017, 7:19 PM -0700, John G. , wrote:
> Austin, I'm in the same boat as you. I have a Smoothie with great parts that 
> never sees the road. I'm considering stripping it down and building up a 
> nicer, fast-ish bike. Have you looked at anything else aside from the Roadeo 
> and Roadini?
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
> > N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain a 
> > 4th.
> >
> > 2016 Sam Hillborne (big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon Jon 
> > Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently running 
> > Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache setup. 
> > And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This bike 
> > will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and don't 
> > expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
> > 1989 Bridgestone RB-1 - my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar end 
> > shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who 
> > doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
> > Soma Smoothie ES - modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires than 
> > the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen the 
> > road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm Roadeo 
> > (or maybe the coming Roadini).
> >
> > Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your 
> > HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Justin August]

Then the Bagman breaks and

-Justin

On Apr 10, 2017, 7:00 PM -0700, Lee Legrand , wrote:
> Not to turn this is a carradice saddlebag discussion but the one thing I 
> notice is now they offer the bagman support for all their saddlebags. By 
> using thinner leather, they are not built to be hanged at the seat under load 
> but supported underneath using the bagman support and leather is there just 
> for lateral stability while riding.
>
> Just a hypothesis
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Justin, Oakland  (mailto:justinaug...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > The leather on my Carradice is thin, dry and tears easily. If I had the 
> > gumption I'd replace it all with clips or rare earth magnets or toe clip 
> > cinch downs. It really puts a damper on an otherwise great bag.
> >
> > -Justin
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[John G.]

Austin, I'm in the same boat as you. I have a Smoothie with great parts 
that never sees the road. I'm considering stripping it down and building up 
a nicer, fast-ish bike. Have you looked at anything else aside from the 
Roadeo and Roadini?

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>
> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain 
> a 4th.
>
> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon 
> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently 
> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache 
> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This 
> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and 
> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar 
> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who 
> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires 
> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen 
> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm 
> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>
> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your 
> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Lee Legrand]

Not to turn this is a carradice saddlebag discussion but the one thing I
notice is now they offer the bagman support for all their saddlebags.  By
using thinner leather, they are not built to be hanged at the seat under
load but supported underneath using the bagman support and leather is there
just for lateral stability while riding.

Just a hypothesis

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> The leather on my Carradice is thin, dry and tears easily. If I had the
> gumption I'd replace it all with clips or rare earth magnets or toe clip
> cinch downs. It really puts a damper on an otherwise great bag.
>
> -Justin
>
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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Justin, Oakland]

The leather on my Carradice is thin, dry and tears easily. If I had the 
gumption I'd replace it all with clips or rare earth magnets or toe clip cinch 
downs. It really puts a damper on an otherwise great bag. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Great Rivendell customer service!

[Carla Waugh]

My Sam arrived with a shipping problem and Rivendell is sending me a new Sam 
and then I send the other one back. I look forward to my newest Sam as I saw 
how beautiful a Sam is. Great great customer service!

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Ian Strader]

The medium Sackville Saddlebag is one of the best purchases I've ever made. 
The interior seems to link to some kind of folded spacetime that swallows 
large objects into null-space, such is its capacity. With the Nitto quick 
release, it's pure pleasure!

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 2:12:12 PM UTC-7, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your 
> opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so, 
> I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>
> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>
> Cheers, 
> Max
> San Diego
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[RBW] Re: rear axle placement/adjuster screw removal

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, you can remove those screws if you want to.  The only purpose of those 
screws is to give you something to register the rear wheel against before 
you secure it in place.  Without them present, you just need to 
deliberately put the wheel where you want it before securing it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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>
> Does anyone know if I can remove the small, threaded, axle positioners 
> from the rear drop outs without ill effect? Then the axle will go all the 
> way back. Do the screws significantly strengthen the drop out?  I have a 
> marginal fit with a set of tires and removing the screws will get me a 1/4 
> inch rearward and possibly enough room to fit.  Any thoughts?
> Much appreciated!  I know that I may have to carefully align the wheel but 
> I assume the dropouts without the screws are pretty square.)
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[RBW] Re: rear axle placement/adjuster screw removal

[Ed Carolipio]

When I had that type of rear end on a geared bike and pulled the axle all 
the way back, the drive side of the axle tended to slip forward under load. 
If you look at your frame from the rear, the rear dropouts aren't 
absolutely parallel; rather they taper out a bit as you go rearward. In 
that rearmost position, your QR skewer may be working against too much 
tension from the frame, i.e. your rear dropout distance may be much larger 
than the spec for your hub.

Things to counter that effect are an "internal cam" type skewer, where the 
lever enters the cam body perpendicular to the axle, and shimming spacers 
on the axle.

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 4:05:55 PM UTC-7, clifto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if I can remove the small, threaded, axle positioners 
> from the rear drop outs without ill effect? Then the axle will go all the 
> way back. Do the screws significantly strengthen the drop out?  I have a 
> marginal fit with a set of tires and removing the screws will get me a 1/4 
> inch rearward and possibly enough room to fit.  Any thoughts?
> Much appreciated!  I know that I may have to carefully align the wheel but 
> I assume the dropouts without the screws are pretty square.)
>

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Re: [RBW] rear axle placement/adjuster screw removal

[Patrick Moore]

I often, if not always, removed the screws with no ill effects to
derailleur performance. I think that the screws are placed at the dropouts
to allow easy wheel side-to-side alignment, which (assuming your frame is
not wildly out of whack) the ends of the dropouts also do.

Do they have other purposes?

I bought dropout screws for my 2 Riv Road fixies, but I never bothered to
install them, preferring to gauge chain tension and wheel alignment by
thumb and eye -- easy enough!

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:05 PM,  wrote:

> Does anyone know if I can remove the small, threaded, axle positioners
> from the rear drop outs without ill effect? Then the axle will go all the
> way back. Do the screws significantly strengthen the drop out?  I have a
> marginal fit with a set of tires and removing the screws will get me a 1/4
> inch rearward and possibly enough room to fit.  Any thoughts?
> Much appreciated!  I know that I may have to carefully align the wheel but
> I assume the dropouts without the screws are pretty square.)
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[RBW] rear axle placement/adjuster screw removal

[cliftonjlong]

Does anyone know if I can remove the small, threaded, axle positioners from 
the rear drop outs without ill effect? Then the axle will go all the way 
back. Do the screws significantly strengthen the drop out?  I have a 
marginal fit with a set of tires and removing the screws will get me a 1/4 
inch rearward and possibly enough room to fit.  Any thoughts?
Much appreciated!  I know that I may have to carefully align the wheel but 
I assume the dropouts without the screws are pretty square.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Patrick Moore]

Way back in my Bangalore days, age 11 and 12, I got interested in and
practiced "italic" penmanship and "gothic" lettering, and even had a
broad-nibbed fountain pen or 2 and a boxed set of caligraphy nibs with
holder, along with an illustrated manual or 2. Odd, since specimens of my
everyday handwriting from the time are not only illegible, they are untidy.
But I used to enjoy being a crypto medieval scribe, and even dipped a toe
into half uncial.

Now, a fountain pen is largely a matter of comfort, since I can write with
one without cramping; improvement in legibility is a welcome side effect.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Addison Wilhite 
wrote:

> Ah...we didn't even get to the dip pens and script.  I took Michael Sull's
> workshop at the SF Pen Show last August and it was great and humbling.  The
> best part was getting a pen and being completely enamored by this master
> and his stories.  Actually, maybe the best thing was that he gave all of
> the students a "nametag" that he wrote out our names and which I now have
> framed.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyPJuFYluik
>
> Rabbithole
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A.
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology
> 
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler 
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Grant Petersen 
> wrote:
>
>> nine years ago my then 13-year old daughter learned how and showed me how
>> to make a true quill pen from a thick-stemmed feather. Shape the head right
>> (see fountain pen) and dip it, and it holds it and doesn't leak. I'm sure
>> you can get goose or tukey feathers online...
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> Get the Safari and if you end up using the fountain pen all of the time,
>>> then consider upgrading in the future.  My favorite blue ink is Waterman
>>> serenity blue.  My friend's favorite blue ink is Waterman Mysterious
>>> blue--a bit darker blue--bit of teal hue.  My favorite black ink is  J
>>> Herbin Perle Noire.  Both inks are available on Amazon and affordable.
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Toshi: for a ordinary bloke who just wants a pen that feels nice when
 he writes: is the Lamy 2000 worth the $100 premium over the price of the
 Safari?

 Also: what kind of ink do you fountain pen mavens recommend? (Has to be
 available in your local Office Depot or on Amazon.)

 History: For 18 months, 6th and 7th forms, I went to St Joseph's, a
 Jesuit prep in Bangalore, where we copied teachers' dictation into cheap
 notebooks and regurgitated it on tests. The only writing instrument was the
 fountain pen, and all the boys used the cheapest ones possible, basically
 hollow plastic tubes that unscrewed in the middle, with nibs. You unscrewed
 the tube, filled the big end with a dropper, and screwed it back together,
 whereupon the ink would leak from nib and body, and you'd wipe your hand on
 the whitewashed wall or on your trousers. I may have introduced space age
 American tech with cheap ball point pens. And the priests used 2' long
 lengths of slender bamboo as persuaders, though I as the sole American got
 by with frowns and finger waggings.

 On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Toshi Takeuchi 
 wrote:

> I qualify as a fountain pen geek and agree that the Lamy Safari is a
> fine pen. My favorite is the Lamy 2000. It writes as well as any pen can
> write, and it's discreet because the nib is hooded so it doesn't attract
> attention.
>
> Japanese make wonderful fountain pens too. Pilot pens are my
> favorites. For 10 bucks you get a great pen: the Pilot Kakuno. It's a 
> kid's
> pen but writes great. For a similar price the Metropolitan looks great but
> the ink dries inside the cap too quickly for my taste.
>
> TWSBI is a Taiwanese maker with great pens at a great price.  The pens
> write as well as any steel nibs write and the ink filling mechanism has a
> high end construction. The 580 or 700 would be my choice around 70 bucks.
>
> Gold nibs are gonna send you over $100 and the aforementioned Lamy
> 2000 or Pilot Custom Heritage 92 would be my choice.
>
> Writing is wonderful!
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM Grant @ Rivendell 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also
>> bike and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman
>> something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, 
>> and
>> since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to 
>> $45,
>> depending on plastic or alumin

[RBW] FS or FT: Brooks, Bridgestone MB4 Xtracycle, Shimano, Suntour, Sugino,

[Coconutbill]

Hello bunch,
Im hoping to lighten my load, so that I can embark on some sort of epic 
bike adventure. Im out of a job, and soon to be homeless, so thats my plan. 

I'd be interested in making trades for a lowrider front rack like a Tubus 
Tara, or a Nitto rack, as well as front panniers. 
Here's a list of the parts. Open to offers.  Located in Portland, OR.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/149197709@N02/?

Brooks Champion Flyer Sprung Saddle (B-17 Black)  $80?
Easton Moby Ringle SeatPost 27.2 $60
Specialized Bottom Bracket Spindle 115-68 - bought from Riv and never used 
$10
Sugino Single Speed Cranks 170mm (mismatched but pretty nice) $30
Suntour Stem Shifters $10
Suntour XC Pro Crankset 175mm (the chainrings are dirty but still in good 
shape, pretty sure its 25, 35, 45) $60
Suntour XC Pro Bottom Bracket (Cup n Cone) $30
Suntour XC Pro Front Derailleur x3 (they are different clamp sizes, one of 
them has a stripped out limit screw) $40?
Suntour XC Pro Rear Derailleur $20
Shimano Deore LX Rear Derailleur (needs new pulley wheels) $20
Shimano Sealed Cartridge Bottom Bracket $10
Shimano Mtn Bike levers $25
Silver/IRD Thumbies $75
Tektro Adjustable Cantis (not complete ) $30

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Tim Butterfield]

I started in 2005 and have a small collection of fountain pens.  My current
favorite is the Namiki/Pilot Custom 823 amber demonstrator.  It is piston
filled with a large ink chamber.  The prior favorite was a wine red Conway
Stewart Appellation by Kevin Cheng.  It had great balance and wrote
wonderfully, but was limited by the cartridge converter ink capacity.  Some
other notables are the Waterman Sterling Edson and Conway Stewart Sterling
Duro.  There are some other nice pens in the collection, but I have bought
and sold enough that I cannot remember what's current.

I have not gotten into the vintage flex nibs.  But, one year at the Chicago
pen show, I had the Nakaya nibmeister make me a Nakaya Briar pen w/clip and
a medium stub elastic flex nib.  It wrote really well and flexed
wonderfully.  For my Cataneo Italic writing, I am currently using Rotring
Art Pens.  For more on that style, check here:  http://jp29.org/itintro.htm

For inexpensive pens, the Hero 616 can be had in packs.  I think I got a 10
pack many years ago for less than $50.  They do vary in quality somewhat,
but are hard to beat at the price.  The vacuum fill sack also holds a
decent quantity of ink.  I have some Parker 51 also and the Hero 616
compares quite favorably given the price difference.

Though I am not currently as active with fountain pens as I once was, the
Fountain Pen Network is a great resource.
http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/

Tim



On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Ray Varella 
wrote:

> I'll admit to having a few fountain pens here.
> I've owned them for nearly 3 decades.
> Parker, Waterman and Pelikan.
> If you care to spring for the gold nibs, they are supposed to be more
> flexible.
> I'm not sure if it's a myth or nor but folklore used to say that you
> shouldn't let other people use your fountain pen because the nib breaks in
> to your own writing style.
> It sounds like an awful good reason to  prevent some hamfisted philistine
> from scratching away with your prized scribing tool but I seriously doubt
> the pen has a memory.
>
> For anyone wanting to try making their own quill pen, if you're ever in
> Vallejo CA, I'll be happy to give you a macaw feather or two.
> If you're shopping for feathers, I would suggest wing feathers over tail
> feathers.
> Wing feathers take much higher loads than tailfeathers and the shaft is
> thicker and heavier as a result.
> Unless of course, you are a gold nibbed aficionado, then for sure you'll
> want the improved flexibility of a tailfeathered quill.
> Just don't let anyone use it after it conforms to your writing style.
>
> Ray
> Vallejo CA
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[RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Ray Varella]

John,
  The Thunder Burts on there are labeled 2.1. 
When I was looking at bikes at Riv and talking with Roman about his, I'm pretty 
sure he had Continental 2.3s on his. 
These bikes were made with Appaloosa forks and he said they try to match 
chainstay clearance to fork clearance when they design bikes. 

It won't take a 3" tire but 2.3" and down will cover any of my needs. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Seatpost, MKS pedals, Schwalbe Almotion 27.5x2 tires

[Philip Kim]

dia compe straddle cable hanger sold.

Schwalbe Almotions pair of tires are the only things left

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Bought these for a Clem H build, but went with a 51cm Appaloosa due to 
> sizing.
>
>
> Dia Compe Gran Comp roller straddle cable hanger 
> ,
>  
> new in package - $22 plus shipping for pair
>
> MKS Lambda // Rivendell Grip King pedals 
> , 
> new in box - $30 plus shipping
>
> Simworks Nitto Beatnik Post, new in package, has a cool heart on the back 
> , 27.2x300mm - $65 plus 
> shipping
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Almotion, "tubeless easy", microskin 27.5x2.00, new in 
> package - $50 plus shipping for pair
>
>
>
> photos >> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128095434@N02/albums/72157679787717362
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Ray Varella]

I'll admit to having a few fountain pens here. 
I've owned them for nearly 3 decades. 
Parker, Waterman and Pelikan. 
If you care to spring for the gold nibs, they are supposed to be more flexible. 
I'm not sure if it's a myth or nor but folklore used to say that you shouldn't 
let other people use your fountain pen because the nib breaks in to your own 
writing style. 
It sounds like an awful good reason to  prevent some hamfisted philistine from 
scratching away with your prized scribing tool but I seriously doubt the pen 
has a memory. 

For anyone wanting to try making their own quill pen, if you're ever in Vallejo 
CA, I'll be happy to give you a macaw feather or two. 
If you're shopping for feathers, I would suggest wing feathers over tail 
feathers. 
Wing feathers take much higher loads than tailfeathers and the shaft is thicker 
and heavier as a result. 
Unless of course, you are a gold nibbed aficionado, then for sure you'll want 
the improved flexibility of a tailfeathered quill.
Just don't let anyone use it after it conforms to your writing style. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Just saw a new Yakima hitch mount rack called the Dr. Tray. It holds 2 
bikes. They make a 1 bike add-on for a total of 3 bikes. However, like most 
tray mount racks it is not fender friendly. 

I don't know if Edwin's Yakima Two Timer which is a tray rack with clamps 
for the top tube (fender friendly) is the new version or the old version. I 
saw the new one at the REI Garage sale a couple of weeks ago. The tag said 
the wheel clamps moved around. Sure enough, I could easily move it with my 
hand though the knob was tightened full-on. I could see how vibration could 
cause the wheel clamps to move around - the strap on the wheel would limit 
travel, but the clamp would still inchworm around a bit. 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA with roof mount racks on a Subaru Outback

On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 10:20:52 AM UTC-4, William R. wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing Leah. This Saris looks like it would be a good rack for 
> my situation. I am currently experiencing a car rack conundrum though. We 
> are a one car family (my wife and I, plus two kids) and we just recently 
> bought a new-to-us Outback wagon. It came with a nice 1.25" trailer hitch 
> installed. I think I may need to upgrade to 2" though as the choices 
> (strength?) of rear bike carriers seem limited in that size. And I know 
> that there are 1.25" to 2" adapters available, but they kind of scare me 
> and put the rack further behind the car about 6". So... I either upgrade 
> the hitch to a 2" or go with something like the Kuat Transfer that can take 
> three bikes on a 1.25" hitch and put one bike on the roof? Or in the trunk? 
> But that doesn't really work because when we are going on trips with the 
> dog in the trunk and all of our stuff in a pod on the roof (because of dog 
> in the trunk!), this is the most common time that we actually want all four 
> bikes on the car. I'm not even sure if there will be room on the roof for a 
> bike and the pod (36" wide)...  As you can see, I don't really have this 
> figured out yet. Any thoughts would be great appreciated. 
>>
>>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Belopsky]

Shameless plug: I have a 26.8 Gran Compe seatpost in silver for sale.

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 1:16:11 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> great, thank you
>
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 12:51:25 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> 26.8, same seatpost size as the appaloosa
>>
>> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:44:21 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure I missed it somewhere but does anyone know the seat post 
>>> diameter on these Rosco Mixtes?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 1:30:40 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:

 That's a wonderful set up, Ray.  How wide of a tire were you able to 
 put on?  I also love the pump behind the seatpost.  Such a generous amount 
 of space.

 Enjoy the ride!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Patrick Moore]

Well, someone missed something, since my only query was, where did this
topic come from, and, I'm interested in it. No spirits involved, afaict.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Garth  wrote:

> PM, it appears what you missed was the spirit in which I posted, and what
> I often miss is the spirit in which you give yours. This written word thing
> without face to face communication can be great sometimes, other times
> utterly lacking in decency. In person we would either promptly part or be
> good friends. or somewhere in between. Well, that just about covers it
> all, doesn't it ?  Ahahahaha !
>
> Thank you Leah for you being you.
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[RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Chris Birkenmaier]

great, thank you

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 12:51:25 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> 26.8, same seatpost size as the appaloosa
>
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:44:21 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure I missed it somewhere but does anyone know the seat post 
>> diameter on these Rosco Mixtes?
>>
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 1:30:40 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a wonderful set up, Ray.  How wide of a tire were you able to put 
>>> on?  I also love the pump behind the seatpost.  Such a generous amount of 
>>> space.
>>>
>>> Enjoy the ride!
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Garth]

PM, it appears what you missed was the spirit in which I posted, and what I 
often miss is the spirit in which you give yours. This written word thing 
without face to face communication can be great sometimes, other times utterly 
lacking in decency. In person we would either promptly part or be good 
friends. or somewhere in between. Well, that just about covers it all, 
doesn't it ?  Ahahahaha !   

Thank you Leah for you being you. 

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[RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Ryan Fleming]

I do too

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 12:52:15 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "It was kind of a mess but my outfit was cute, so there's that."
>
> Leah, I love your writing ;-)
>
> Joe Bernard
>
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[RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Philip Kim]

26.8, same seatpost size as the appaloosa

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:44:21 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I'm sure I missed it somewhere but does anyone know the seat post diameter 
> on these Rosco Mixtes?
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 1:30:40 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> That's a wonderful set up, Ray.  How wide of a tire were you able to put 
>> on?  I also love the pump behind the seatpost.  Such a generous amount of 
>> space.
>>
>> Enjoy the ride!
>>
>> John
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Seatpost, MKS pedals, Schwalbe Almotion 27.5x2 tires

[Philip Kim]

MKS pedals are sold

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Bought these for a Clem H build, but went with a 51cm Appaloosa due to 
> sizing.
>
>
> Dia Compe Gran Comp roller straddle cable hanger 
> ,
>  
> new in package - $22 plus shipping for pair
>
> MKS Lambda // Rivendell Grip King pedals 
> , 
> new in box - $30 plus shipping
>
> Simworks Nitto Beatnik Post, new in package, has a cool heart on the back 
> , 27.2x300mm - $65 plus 
> shipping
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Almotion, "tubeless easy", microskin 27.5x2.00, new in 
> package - $50 plus shipping for pair
>
>
>
> photos >> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128095434@N02/albums/72157679787717362
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Garth]

Yes, you did miss it PM. Are we playing "this discussion belongs to 
me-the-originator so only those that speak to what I want to hear, or else ..." 
?  Is this what this place is ?  If it is, you can have it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[LeahFoy]

Friends, let's veer away from anything negative about men. I happen to be a big 
fan of men. If I told you about The Greatest Man (not counting Jesus), my late 
father-in-law, you would weep at the stories of his kindness.  And then there's 
the two young men I happen to be raising, oh, their lucky future wives! There 
are so many good things in the world because there are good men in it. Nope, 
you'll get no man-bashing from me.

I feel perhaps I should lighten up this thread. A video clip of me trying to 
mount those bikes on the rack ought to do it. There's me, trying to get 
purchase on a sturdy part of the frame. Me, on tippy toes, trying to be taller 
so I can lift the Clem higher onto the rack. Me, hoisting the unwieldy Clem 
onto the wheel trays, and missing. There's the grating of metal on metal as I 
try to figure out what is hung up on what. There's the scritching (if that's 
not a word, it should be) of brake levers against my new van's tailgate window. 
There's the handlebars, swinging around to bop me in the head during my futzing 
with the bike's position. And finally, there's the part where the little 
Islabike topples off the rack as I make adjustments and lands wheels up - how 
is that even possible, I ask you - in the driveway. It was a mess, but as I 
said earlier (lol, right Joe Bernard?), my clothes were cute. The black grease 
stripe across my forehead that I discovered later - not as cute. 

I'm SURE I could recreate this, hahahaha!

Happy Monday, my friends!

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[RBW] WTB: Small Clem Jr Frame

[RichS]

Johnny, I think I can help you. Please text me @ 404-219-4372.

Thank you,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Belopsky]

I would assume it's 27.2

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:44:21 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I'm sure I missed it somewhere but does anyone know the seat post diameter 
> on these Rosco Mixtes?
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 1:30:40 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> That's a wonderful set up, Ray.  How wide of a tire were you able to put 
>> on?  I also love the pump behind the seatpost.  Such a generous amount of 
>> space.
>>
>> Enjoy the ride!
>>
>> John
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

OK maybe I'm mistaken "1. the roadeo has lighter tubes, but roadini’s tubes 
are light enough. they’re our own silver design, but we’ve chopped from the 
big-butted ends to minimize weight. it’s probably slightly stronger than 
necessary." So the section that is thicker is still there but it's shorter?

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-4, Orc wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you think the Roadini isn't double butted; the brochure 
> certainly implies that it is?   I'm not sure how /heavy/ the tubing is, but 
> saying that the tubes are cut from the big-butted end sounds like it's 
> being made from regular d-b tubing.
>
> -david parsons
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Austin,
>>
>> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a 
>> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is 
>> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my 
>> opinion.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I'm sure I missed it somewhere but does anyone know the seat post diameter 
on these Rosco Mixtes?

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 1:30:40 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> That's a wonderful set up, Ray.  How wide of a tire were you able to put 
> on?  I also love the pump behind the seatpost.  Such a generous amount of 
> space.
>
> Enjoy the ride!
>
> John
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Chris Birkenmaier]

IMO that is a good price for the bike.  No affiliations, blah, blah.

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 8:58:33 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> For sale again.
>
> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/6081706700.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Patrick Moore]

Where did this "ask directions" thread pop out from? I'd like to join.
Really, I missed it; it's not from Leah.

Directions: what's the big deal? I always ask and have always asked
directions; long ago my girlfriend told me, "The other guys I've gone out
with are afraid to ask." My daughter gets embarrassed because when driving
I roll down her window and ask motorists on my right about their rides (if
they are driving interesting vehicles; the most recent, a 1967 BSA Gold
Star 500. I do scare cyclists this way, sometimes).

Why the hell would you be afraid to ask about something?

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:15 AM, Garth  wrote:

> Well, I am a man, if I don't know where I am going I won't hesitate to ask
> for directions. I once visited a small city in Cailfornia I had never been
> and was looking for a certain place, I thiuht I jknew where it would be but
> lo, not even close was I. So instead of wandering like a fool, hey, there's
> a skatepark, there is some guy who looks like he has a clue, so I stop and
> ask him and not only was he helpful and all, but I later ran across him and
> his wife a few weeks later completley randomly and we didn't recognize each
> other at first. After chatting awhile, "Hey, aren't you that guy I asked
> for directions that one day ?"  "Oh my yes, that was you, I thought you
> looked familiar!" he said.  Ahahahaahah, a very small world indeed. I ask
> people anywhere about where I am at, it doesn't matter the subject, it's
> just fun connecting.  I don't get that with a computer.  Directions from a
> computer can be just as misleading as from a person, and a paper map can be
> just as useless at times. I mean duh, I am where I am, whatever it may be
> called, so I am never lost.
>
> So just because it is repeated in print that men don't like to ask for
> directions, it does not make it true. It doesn't matter who you are of any
> sex or any other label, some ask some do not, there is room for all in
> their own way. The same with every other sweeping generalizations, they are
> generalizations and so "generally" don"t say much, but they get you to
> listen which is why they are repeated so often. It's like another form of
> rubber necking, social rubber necking if you will. Denigrating each other
> then turning around and watching the aftermath. There is so much more to
> life that that !
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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Addison Wilhite]

Ah, that's an oft cited book in my Career and Technical Education High
School, public school with a 100% graduation rate.  Weird how engaging
students with academic rigor, hands on training, and community service,
leads to success.

To get a sense of the coolness here's a write up on the NASA Rover project
we do every year.  Definitely provides some bike related content.

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2017/04/what-you-can-do-with-motivated-students.html

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On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:27 AM, David Fast  wrote:

>
> Folks here might also like to read: “Shop Class As Soulcraft; An Inquiry
> Into The Value Of Work” by Matthew B. Crawford.  The thesis of the book
> is making the case that society has place too much value on white-collar
> work, and lessened the value of the trades.
>
> The author was working as an executive at a think tank, but ‘gave it all
> up’ to go back to working in motorcycle mechanics.  It is when describing
> some of the current models of Mercedes that have no dipsticks that he drops
> a favorite line of mine: “layers of electronic bullshit”.
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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Tubing aside, presumably the Roadini will also have the signature Rivendell
handling and "feel." I love my Matthews, but I do notice that it lacks that
signature handling of the 5 Rivendells I've owned. (Well, the '95 road
custom didn't possess this fit and feel as much as the other 2 and the Ram
and the Sam, but it had it to some extent.)

>
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Austin,
>>
>> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a
>> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is
>> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my
>> opinion.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Patrick Moore]

His later book, The World Beyond Your Head, continues the same themes with
a greater focus on the deleterious effects on character of mediating
experience through electronic media.

Crawford is that great oddity -- actually, several oddities:

1. An academic, or academically trained writer, who can write reasonably
clearly and in a way that captures and entertains.
2. An Aristotelian who is not a Thomist.
3. Something of a Stoic, I think, or perhaps his ethics is a mix of
Aristotle, Stoics, and Epicurus.

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> Folks here might also like to read: “Shop Class As Soulcraft; An Inquiry
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> is making the case that society has place too much value on white-collar
> work, and lessened the value of the trades.
>
> The author was working as an executive at a think tank, but ‘gave it all
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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Toshi. I already have a Safari, a Xmas present from my brother who
is a fountain pen connoisseur. He had given me a nice old Parker 51 some 10
years ago, and that was even nicer, but my then 5 or 6 year old daughter
dropped it nib down on tile.

The Safari writes very nicely, but it does skip occasionally, whence my
question about an upgrade. I'll put the Lamy down on my short list as well
as the Waterman Expert recommended by Addison.

I like black ink, so the J Herbin is also on the list.

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Get the Safari and if you end up using the fountain pen all of the time,
> then consider upgrading in the future.  My favorite blue ink is Waterman
> serenity blue.  My friend's favorite blue ink is Waterman Mysterious
> blue--a bit darker blue--bit of teal hue.  My favorite black ink is  J
> Herbin Perle Noire.  Both inks are available on Amazon and affordable.
>
> Enjoy,
> Toshi
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Toshi: for a ordinary bloke who just wants a pen that feels nice when he
>> writes: is the Lamy 2000 worth the $100 premium over the price of the
>> Safari?
>>
>> Also: what kind of ink do you fountain pen mavens recommend? (Has to be
>> available in your local Office Depot or on Amazon.)
>>
>> History: For 18 months, 6th and 7th forms, I went to St Joseph's, a
>> Jesuit prep in Bangalore, where we copied teachers' dictation into cheap
>> notebooks and regurgitated it on tests. The only writing instrument was the
>> fountain pen, and all the boys used the cheapest ones possible, basically
>> hollow plastic tubes that unscrewed in the middle, with nibs. You unscrewed
>> the tube, filled the big end with a dropper, and screwed it back together,
>> whereupon the ink would leak from nib and body, and you'd wipe your hand on
>> the whitewashed wall or on your trousers. I may have introduced space age
>> American tech with cheap ball point pens. And the priests used 2' long
>> lengths of slender bamboo as persuaders, though I as the sole American got
>> by with frowns and finger waggings.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> I qualify as a fountain pen geek and agree that the Lamy Safari is a
>>> fine pen. My favorite is the Lamy 2000. It writes as well as any pen can
>>> write, and it's discreet because the nib is hooded so it doesn't attract
>>> attention.
>>>
>>> Japanese make wonderful fountain pens too. Pilot pens are my favorites.
>>> For 10 bucks you get a great pen: the Pilot Kakuno. It's a kid's pen but
>>> writes great. For a similar price the Metropolitan looks great but the ink
>>> dries inside the cap too quickly for my taste.
>>>
>>> TWSBI is a Taiwanese maker with great pens at a great price.  The pens
>>> write as well as any steel nibs write and the ink filling mechanism has a
>>> high end construction. The 580 or 700 would be my choice around 70 bucks.
>>>
>>> Gold nibs are gonna send you over $100 and the aforementioned Lamy 2000
>>> or Pilot Custom Heritage 92 would be my choice.
>>>
>>> Writing is wonderful!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM Grant @ Rivendell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also
 bike and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman
 something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, and
 since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to $45,
 depending on plastic or aluminum--to be sold on those. I may be verifiably
 technically wrong on this next point (and maybe somebody's already said
 it-- I don't know if Lamy pens are a big deal here or not, but I read
 Patrick's mention, so jumped in)--yes, but the thing about fountain pens is
 they seem to have a wider range of writable angles than ball-points, and
 write better at low angles than gel pens. For the unimportant record, I
 love all stationery stuffsand it's been decades since I've bought a pen
 or pencil out of need, but I buy lots of them and use them, because they're
 all so fun, and it's nice to think of businesses dedicated to these
 soon-to-be ancient tools.  I sign about 30 books a month (before they get
 stocked), and I discovered the low-angle abilities of fountain pens that
 way. But then I blow on the ink to make it dry faster. There is that...

 Grant "gimme a Lamy & I'm happy" Petersen


 On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I
 like fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows
 me to write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand
 cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The
 "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.

 But my experience, ex

Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and you didn't worry about Brooks slots cutting through the leather of
the old ones; in fact, you could hardly get the straps through the slots,
so thick was the leather.

The current Carradices are still good, btw, and I wouldn't hesitate to own
one if I wanted to; and given the prices compared to alternatives, the
quality is even more desirable. But man, I miss the old ones!

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Carradice, old versus new, quality: Let me explain: the first Longlflaps I
> owned had leather straps so thick that you had to break them in to make
> them easy to buckle down. The leather wasn't as good as the best Rivendell
> supplies for its Sackvilles, but it was PDG.
>
> The canvas was thicker, and in particular, the wear patch on the bottom of
> the Nelson Longflap was made from the same heavy, waxed canvas, not vinyl
> or whatever replaced it. The inside of the Longflap was lined with a thin,
> supple, greyish cloth.
>
> The Nelson and Camper Longflaps had thick cotton tapes pulling together
> interior side flaps instead of drawstrings pulling nylon necks tight; one
> may have his own opinion about the drawstring versus the tapes, but one
> can't deny that the flaps and the cotton tapes were tightly woven cotton.
>
> The buckles had little rollers on them to make snugging up the straps
> easier. The metal was thicker, too.
>
> You could -- I did -- fill one of those old Longflaps with water and, for
> 15 minutes, nothing would leak.
>
> The last ones I've owned, mostly Juniors, but also a Nelson from the mid
> 2000s, have inferior leather and canvas. They're still good, but not as
> good as the ones Rivendell first sold in the mid '90s.
>
> OTOH, the Saddlesacks are better than any Nelson, old or new, that I have
> seen.
>
> You have to see the 1990s Nelson Longflap and compare it to a contemporary
> one to understand the difference. I wish I had kept my original Nelson LF,
> Camper LF, and Junior.
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> The newest Nelsons and Juniors that I've bought are, compared to those of
>> 20 years ago, *not* as well made: material thinner, leather thinner,
>> buckles cheaper.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Steve Palincsar 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/10/2017 09:10 AM, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>>
 Are the carradice saddlebags not made as well today as they were years
 ago?  I was thinking of getting a nelson saddlebag just to hold my basic
 tools for riding.  Nothing really big just room for pumps, spare tube,
 patches and multi-tool to have in emergencies.

>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, they're better.  Back in the day, the
>>> "traditional" Carradice bags had a big opening with two side flaps with tie
>>> strings that didn't meet in the middle.  Now there's a "skirt" with a
>>> draw-string closure that almost completely covers the opening.  It's much
>>> less likely with the new style bag to have things fall out.  Otherwise, the
>>> materials and construction details appear very similar if not exactly
>>> identical.
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Patrick Moore]

Carradice, old versus new, quality: Let me explain: the first Longlflaps I
owned had leather straps so thick that you had to break them in to make
them easy to buckle down. The leather wasn't as good as the best Rivendell
supplies for its Sackvilles, but it was PDG.

The canvas was thicker, and in particular, the wear patch on the bottom of
the Nelson Longflap was made from the same heavy, waxed canvas, not vinyl
or whatever replaced it. The inside of the Longflap was lined with a thin,
supple, greyish cloth.

The Nelson and Camper Longflaps had thick cotton tapes pulling together
interior side flaps instead of drawstrings pulling nylon necks tight; one
may have his own opinion about the drawstring versus the tapes, but one
can't deny that the flaps and the cotton tapes were tightly woven cotton.

The buckles had little rollers on them to make snugging up the straps
easier. The metal was thicker, too.

You could -- I did -- fill one of those old Longflaps with water and, for
15 minutes, nothing would leak.

The last ones I've owned, mostly Juniors, but also a Nelson from the mid
2000s, have inferior leather and canvas. They're still good, but not as
good as the ones Rivendell first sold in the mid '90s.

OTOH, the Saddlesacks are better than any Nelson, old or new, that I have
seen.

You have to see the 1990s Nelson Longflap and compare it to a contemporary
one to understand the difference. I wish I had kept my original Nelson LF,
Camper LF, and Junior.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The newest Nelsons and Juniors that I've bought are, compared to those of
> 20 years ago, *not* as well made: material thinner, leather thinner,
> buckles cheaper.
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 04/10/2017 09:10 AM, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>
>>> Are the carradice saddlebags not made as well today as they were years
>>> ago?  I was thinking of getting a nelson saddlebag just to hold my basic
>>> tools for riding.  Nothing really big just room for pumps, spare tube,
>>> patches and multi-tool to have in emergencies.
>>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell, they're better.  Back in the day, the "traditional"
>> Carradice bags had a big opening with two side flaps with tie strings that
>> didn't meet in the middle.  Now there's a "skirt" with a draw-string
>> closure that almost completely covers the opening.  It's much less likely
>> with the new style bag to have things fall out.  Otherwise, the materials
>> and construction details appear very similar if not exactly identical.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[David Fast]

Folks here might also like to read: “Shop Class As Soulcraft; An Inquiry 
Into The Value Of Work” by Matthew B. Crawford.  The thesis of the book is 
making the case that society has place too much value on white-collar work, 
and lessened the value of the trades.  

The author was working as an executive at a think tank, but ‘gave it all 
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[RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[David Fast]

 

Folks here might also like to read: “Shop Class As Soulcraft; An Inquiry 
Into The Value Of Work” by Matthew B. Crawford.  The thesis of the book is 
making the case that society has place too much value on white-collar work, 
and lessened the value of the trades.  

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[RBW] FS/FT Fillet Brazed Bullmoose Nitto

[Timothy Orr]

I'm sad to say I'm selling my set of fillet brazed Nitto Bullmoose bars. They 
are probably to coolest bars I've ever owned, but my new bike has a long top 
tube and I got some Albatross bars to be more upright. I might even eventually 
get some Boscos. Anyway, these bars are beautiful and will make any bike 
immediately 167% more awesome.

Photos are here:
https://goo.gl/photos/DmA8BGZ3fRJSBrYQ8

See the Riv site for specs and more photos: 
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars-stems/products/nitto-bullmoose-bar-dull-bright-fillet-brazed-150mm-16194

$100 + shipping
I recently shipped another set fro OR to IL for $26. They require a big box. I 
doubt you'll find a better deal out there.

I'd consider a trade for a Saddlesack(Medium) a Carradice Camper Longflap, 
Nitto Mark's Rack (I could pay a difference if needed to work out a deal).

Cheers,
Tim
Portland, Oregon 

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Orc]

I'm not sure why you think the Roadini isn't double butted; the brochure 
certainly implies that it is?   I'm not sure how /heavy/ the tubing is, but 
saying that the tubes are cut from the big-butted end sounds like it's 
being made from regular d-b tubing.

-david parsons



On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Austin,
>
> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a 
> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is 
> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my 
> opinion.
>
>

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[RBW] Rosco Bubbe No, 7 Build

[lconley]

Rosco Bubbe  No. 7 of the Batch.





Wheels built by me: 36 hole, White Industries Eno hubs, eccentric flip-flop 
rear, Wheelsmith DB SS spokes, 700x28 VO Escapade rims, 770x50 grey Big Ben 
tires, White Industires 18 tooth freewheel and fixed gear.
Crank: Sugino RD-2, 48 tooth
Chain: KMC SS 1/8"
Pedals: Grey Thin Gripsters
Seat: Brooks B-17 TI - dark green
Seat post: Kalloy? 26.8
Stem: Nitto with twin clamp bolts - anybody know what the model number of 
this is?
Bars: VO Postino.
Grips: Rustines Gum on top of Dia Compe
Brake Levers: Dia Compe inverse
Brakes: rear - Tektro R556 sidepull, front - centerpull - Frankenstein mix 
of early 70's Dia Compe 610 arms & springs (NOS), modern Dia Compe 750 
remainder, Gran Compe Roller straddle hanger, Weinmann quick release

The only reason I got the 50mm tires on was because of the Eno eccentric 
hub and front centerpull. I need a shorter hanger than I had to get a 
centerpull on the rear - working on it. Or I may use side pulls a smaller 
tire that the bike was designed for, but I live the 50s on it now.

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[lconley]

Basically I buy bikes till I run out of room and/or money:

1 . Hubbuhubbuh - on the boat.
2 . Rosco Bubbe - # 7 of the 1st batch - single speed w/50mm Big Bens
3.  Sam Hillborne - metallic orange 56mm double TT, Curtis Odom Holey HF 
hubs, Velocity Synergy, OC rear, 44mm Compass SP, VO drillium crank, 22 
speed, Noodles - event bike (century, double century)
4 . Bombadil - touring, zero dish Phil Wood 7 speed freewheel RH, SON FH, 
40 spoke 650b Atlas wheels, Nitto Bullmoose
5 . Clementine - commuter
6.  Betty Foy - do I really need a reason?
7.  Protovelo (w/Appaloosa headbadge) - keep it in a storage unit in 
Everett, WA for when I am on the left coast

8.  1969? Gitane Tour de France
9.  1970 Gitane Tour de France - NOS
10. 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15 - I bought this bike new at the Schwinn 
dealer in 1975
11. 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15
12. 80s Schwinn Super Sport
13. Bike Friday Pocket Metro - this bike has been to Ascension Island 4 
times.
14. Trek District - the 1st one with the orange rims - the only bike I have 
with anything made out of carbon fiber (forks) Belt Drive
15. Trek Belleville
16. SE Bikes F@e Fat Bike
17. Flying Pigeon 
18. Scott SUB 10 Belt drive 8 speed commuter
19. Resurrectio - no-name nickel plated lugged Cro-Mo frame 1 speed

Wish I hadn't sold it (but I needed the money) late 70s MASI Gran Criterium





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[RBW] Re: FS 56 cm double TT Sam frame

[lconley]

 SOLD!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Patrick Moore]

The newest Nelsons and Juniors that I've bought are, compared to those of
20 years ago, *not* as well made: material thinner, leather thinner,
buckles cheaper.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 04/10/2017 09:10 AM, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
>> Are the carradice saddlebags not made as well today as they were years
>> ago?  I was thinking of getting a nelson saddlebag just to hold my basic
>> tools for riding.  Nothing really big just room for pumps, spare tube,
>> patches and multi-tool to have in emergencies.
>>
>
> As far as I can tell, they're better.  Back in the day, the "traditional"
> Carradice bags had a big opening with two side flaps with tie strings that
> didn't meet in the middle.  Now there's a "skirt" with a draw-string
> closure that almost completely covers the opening.  It's much less likely
> with the new style bag to have things fall out.  Otherwise, the materials
> and construction details appear very similar if not exactly identical.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

One more thing, there was no need to clarify since I was responding to what
you said which I disagree which you seemed to ignored, even now.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> I am not reprimanding you but that is how you came off in your reply.
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Belopsky 
> wrote:
>
>> Austin,
>>
>> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a
>> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is
>> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my
>> opinion.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>>>
>>> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage
>>> sustain a 4th.
>>>
>>> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon
>>> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently
>>> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache
>>> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This
>>> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and
>>> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
>>> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar
>>> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who
>>> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
>>> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires
>>> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen
>>> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm
>>> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>>>
>>> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your
>>> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Who's got the beausaged Hunq in Andersonville?

[Eric]

I saw that beautiful bike yesterday on Logan Blvd & Elston...it's a head 
turner!

Hunq green on a Homer is the way to go! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

I am not reprimanding you but that is how you came off in your reply.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Austin,
>
> I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a
> Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is
> not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my
> opinion.
>
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>>
>> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain
>> a 4th.
>>
>> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon
>> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently
>> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache
>> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This
>> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and
>> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
>> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar
>> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who
>> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
>> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires
>> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen
>> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm
>> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>>
>> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your
>> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Seatpost, MKS pedals, Schwalbe Almotion 27.5x2 tires

[Philip Kim]

Simworks seatpost spoken for

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Bought these for a Clem H build, but went with a 51cm Appaloosa due to 
> sizing.
>
>
> Dia Compe Gran Comp roller straddle cable hanger 
> ,
>  
> new in package - $22 plus shipping for pair
>
> MKS Lambda // Rivendell Grip King pedals 
> , 
> new in box - $30 plus shipping
>
> Simworks Nitto Beatnik Post, new in package, has a cool heart on the back 
> , 27.2x300mm - $65 plus 
> shipping
>
> Schwalbe Marathon Almotion, "tubeless easy", microskin 27.5x2.00, new in 
> package - $50 plus shipping for pair
>
>
>
> photos >> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128095434@N02/albums/72157679787717362
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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Belopsky]

Austin,

I am not sure why you would want to get a Roadini (just because it's a 
Riv?) - the tubing is going to be worse (at least on paper.) The Roadini is 
not double butted, so would be heavier and not as lively? That's just my 
opinion.

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 8:07:25 AM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>
> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain 
> a 4th.
>
> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon 
> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently 
> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache 
> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This 
> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and 
> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar 
> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who 
> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires 
> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen 
> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm 
> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>
> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your 
> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Philip Kim]

YEp, just hopped on this pre-order. I was able to see this in-person on my 
last visit to pick up the appaloosa from them. Well-made, and they 
customized the fabrics and all that. it has a nice nylon inner, that is 
durable and waterproof.

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 12:47:53 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> I had been mulling over the same decisions. Thanks to the good folks on 
> this board and the valuable feedback I received here I was able to make a 
> decision as to which one to buy. I have a Wald basket and a Swift Sugarloaf 
> bag on the front that carries tools, spare tubes and everyday items.  On 
> the rear I have a Nitto R-14 rack.  I wanted to get a bag that worked well 
> with the rack. I was very close to buying the Sackville Medium and even 
> contemplated a large. I also thought about the Swift Zeitgeist but ended up 
> going in a different direction. I ended up buying a bag from Makeshifter. 
> They call it their Outback Saddle. I purchased it from the good folks at 
> Gravel & Grind in Frederick, MD. I just love the size, the styling and the 
> material used. Gravel and Grind is supposed to have them in stock in May. 
> Right now they are taking pre-orders because they have a limited number 
> available. Here is a link to the bag that I ended up buying. 
> http://www.makeshiftercanvasworks.com/bicycle-bags-accessories/outback-saddlebag
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 5:12:12 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>>
>> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of 
>> your opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If 
>> so, I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>>
>> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
>> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
>> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Max
>> San Diego
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/10/2017 09:10 AM, Lee Legrand wrote:
Are the carradice saddlebags not made as well today as they were years 
ago?  I was thinking of getting a nelson saddlebag just to hold my 
basic tools for riding.  Nothing really big just room for pumps, spare 
tube, patches and multi-tool to have in emergencies.


As far as I can tell, they're better.  Back in the day, the 
"traditional" Carradice bags had a big opening with two side flaps with 
tie strings that didn't meet in the middle.  Now there's a "skirt" with 
a draw-string closure that almost completely covers the opening.  It's 
much less likely with the new style bag to have things fall out.  
Otherwise, the materials and construction details appear very similar if 
not exactly identical.


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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Gee, and I thought I was not being defensive, but simply attempting to 
clarify what I said in my earlier post, since I felt *you* missed the 
point. You know, a pleasant, give and take, adult conversation. Thanks for 
setting me straight, dad! (Normally I would reply to something like this 
privately, but sheesh, give me a break. Do you really think this type of 
public reprimand was called for?)

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:51:16 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> You missed the point and no need to begin response with a defensive 
> posture.  I am not your father or any authority figure wagging his finger 
> at you.  The point to my comment is that you can never find contentment on 
> external factors and bicycle should mostly based on need and no so much 
> collection.  Having less is not a sign of contentment nor is having many.
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I never said someone with  x bicycles is more or less content than 
>> someone with x-y bicycles. I really doubt those of us who have more than, 
>> say, 2 or 3 bicycles actually *need* all of them. I do think that at 
>> some point, rather than bringing pleasure or contentment, a big bicycle 
>> collection can become a burden--whether financially, physically, or 
>> spiritually. What that number is for any particular person, I would not 
>> pretend to have any idea.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>>
>>> When contentment is derived from having things or having less things, 
>>> then contentment is always regulated on external things being set. Which is 
>>> always have within it, discontentment since nothing external is set but 
>>> comes and goes.  It is not so much as having bicycle N+1 bicycle but I 
>>> think it is more of need and opportunity.  If people bought bicycles based 
>>> on what they  used them for, instead of being fixated on fads and new gear, 
>>> it is not that they will have greater contentment but it bicycles are used 
>>> as needs as part of their life.  If a person can do whatever they needed on 
>>> one bicycles vs someone needing 3 bicycles to do what they need for their 
>>> life, why is the person with 3 less content than the one who has one? They 
>>> are using the bicycle out of necessity.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human 
 motivations lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live 
 anything close to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not 
 doing so voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that 
 way. When does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? 
 Is 
 being a hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off 
 thoughts of mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs? 

 I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than 
 any of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one 
 of 
 the more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy 
 exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in 
 that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest 
 sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy, 
 store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly 
 discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per 
 capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or 
 so. 
 But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the 
 many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you 
 are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately 
 impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some 
 of 
 my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more 
 projects to go here...

 On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that 
> I saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart 
> against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Lee Legrand]

Are the carradice saddlebags not made as well today as they were years
ago?  I was thinking of getting a nelson saddlebag just to hold my basic
tools for riding.  Nothing really big just room for pumps, spare tube,
patches and multi-tool to have in emergencies.

On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv 
wrote:

> I commute with a Carradice Super C which I chose over the various
> longflaps because of the easy opening clips. I've used various supports and
> racks over the years. This is a great setup for me and I have no reason to
> charnge it. Having said that, if I were starting over today I'd probably
> choose either a large or medium saddlesack. They are all really good bags.
> You can't really go wrong with any of them.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Quickbeam on eBay

[Belopsky]

For sale again.

https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/6081706700.html

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Seatpost, MKS pedals, Schwalbe Almotion 27.5x2 tires

[Philip Kim]

Bought these for a Clem H build, but went with a 51cm Appaloosa due to 
sizing.


Dia Compe Gran Comp roller straddle cable hanger 
,
 
new in package - $22 plus shipping for pair

MKS Lambda // Rivendell Grip King pedals 
, 
new in box - $30 plus shipping

Simworks Nitto Beatnik Post, new in package, has a cool heart on the back 
, 27.2x300mm - $65 plus shipping

Schwalbe Marathon Almotion, "tubeless easy", microskin 27.5x2.00, new in 
package - $50 plus shipping for pair



photos 
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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Addison Wilhite]

Ah...we didn't even get to the dip pens and script.  I took Michael Sull's
workshop at the SF Pen Show last August and it was great and humbling.  The
best part was getting a pen and being completely enamored by this master
and his stories.  Actually, maybe the best thing was that he gave all of
the students a "nametag" that he wrote out our names and which I now have
framed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyPJuFYluik

Rabbithole


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Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

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On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Grant Petersen  wrote:

> nine years ago my then 13-year old daughter learned how and showed me how
> to make a true quill pen from a thick-stemmed feather. Shape the head right
> (see fountain pen) and dip it, and it holds it and doesn't leak. I'm sure
> you can get goose or tukey feathers online...
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> Get the Safari and if you end up using the fountain pen all of the time,
>> then consider upgrading in the future.  My favorite blue ink is Waterman
>> serenity blue.  My friend's favorite blue ink is Waterman Mysterious
>> blue--a bit darker blue--bit of teal hue.  My favorite black ink is  J
>> Herbin Perle Noire.  Both inks are available on Amazon and affordable.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Toshi: for a ordinary bloke who just wants a pen that feels nice when he
>>> writes: is the Lamy 2000 worth the $100 premium over the price of the
>>> Safari?
>>>
>>> Also: what kind of ink do you fountain pen mavens recommend? (Has to be
>>> available in your local Office Depot or on Amazon.)
>>>
>>> History: For 18 months, 6th and 7th forms, I went to St Joseph's, a
>>> Jesuit prep in Bangalore, where we copied teachers' dictation into cheap
>>> notebooks and regurgitated it on tests. The only writing instrument was the
>>> fountain pen, and all the boys used the cheapest ones possible, basically
>>> hollow plastic tubes that unscrewed in the middle, with nibs. You unscrewed
>>> the tube, filled the big end with a dropper, and screwed it back together,
>>> whereupon the ink would leak from nib and body, and you'd wipe your hand on
>>> the whitewashed wall or on your trousers. I may have introduced space age
>>> American tech with cheap ball point pens. And the priests used 2' long
>>> lengths of slender bamboo as persuaders, though I as the sole American got
>>> by with frowns and finger waggings.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Toshi Takeuchi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I qualify as a fountain pen geek and agree that the Lamy Safari is a
 fine pen. My favorite is the Lamy 2000. It writes as well as any pen can
 write, and it's discreet because the nib is hooded so it doesn't attract
 attention.

 Japanese make wonderful fountain pens too. Pilot pens are my favorites.
 For 10 bucks you get a great pen: the Pilot Kakuno. It's a kid's pen but
 writes great. For a similar price the Metropolitan looks great but the ink
 dries inside the cap too quickly for my taste.

 TWSBI is a Taiwanese maker with great pens at a great price.  The pens
 write as well as any steel nibs write and the ink filling mechanism has a
 high end construction. The 580 or 700 would be my choice around 70 bucks.

 Gold nibs are gonna send you over $100 and the aforementioned Lamy 2000
 or Pilot Custom Heritage 92 would be my choice.

 Writing is wonderful!

 Toshi





 On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM Grant @ Rivendell 
 wrote:

> I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also
> bike and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman
> something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, and
> since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to 
> $45,
> depending on plastic or aluminum--to be sold on those. I may be verifiably
> technically wrong on this next point (and maybe somebody's already said
> it-- I don't know if Lamy pens are a big deal here or not, but I read
> Patrick's mention, so jumped in)--yes, but the thing about fountain pens 
> is
> they seem to have a wider range of writable angles than ball-points, and
> write better at low angles than gel pens. For the unimportant record, I
> love all stationery stuffsand it's been decades since I've bought a 
> pen
> or pencil out of need, but I buy lots of them and use them, because 
> they're
> all so fun, and it's nice to think of businesses dedicated to these
> soon-to-be ancient tools.  I sign about 30 books a month (before they get
> stocked), and 

[RBW] WTB: Small Clem Jr Frame

[Johnny Alien]

I actually thought this might be easy. I might be interested in a size up too 
but was hoping to set it up classic MTB style. 

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[RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Garth]

Well, I am a man, if I don't know where I am going I won't hesitate to ask for 
directions. I once visited a small city in Cailfornia I had never been and was 
looking for a certain place, I thiuht I jknew where it would be but lo, not 
even close was I. So instead of wandering like a fool, hey, there's a 
skatepark, there is some guy who looks like he has a clue, so I stop and ask 
him and not only was he helpful and all, but I later ran across him and his 
wife a few weeks later completley randomly and we didn't recognize each other 
at first. After chatting awhile, "Hey, aren't you that guy I asked for 
directions that one day ?"  "Oh my yes, that was you, I thought you looked 
familiar!" he said.  Ahahahaahah, a very small world indeed. I ask people 
anywhere about where I am at, it doesn't matter the subject, it's just fun 
connecting.  I don't get that with a computer.  Directions from a computer can 
be just as misleading as from a person, and a paper map can be just as useless 
at times. I mean duh, I am where I am, whatever it may be called, so I am never 
lost. 

So just because it is repeated in print that men don't like to ask for 
directions, it does not make it true. It doesn't matter who you are of any sex 
or any other label, some ask some do not, there is room for all in their own 
way. The same with every other sweeping generalizations, they are 
generalizations and so "generally" don"t say much, but they get you to listen 
which is why they are repeated so often. It's like another form of rubber 
necking, social rubber necking if you will. Denigrating each other then turning 
around and watching the aftermath. There is so much more to life that that !  

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