Re: [RBW] Re: what kind of bike is it?

[James Warren]

I call it (Hunqapillar for me) my mountain bike.


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> On Jun 16, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Orc  wrote:
> 
> Call it a hybrid; that's a more familiar term than the Riv 'all-arounder' (or 
> the PNW "randonneuse", which is similar but not really to the french 
> originals.)
> 
> -david parsons
> 
>> On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 3:56:32 PM UTC-7, ericf3 wrote:
>> greetings
>> 
>> I picked up my own first Riv (Bombadil F&F) today (more about that in coming 
>> days) and then ended up at lunch with some pals who are casual cyclists.  I 
>> told them it was New Bike Day, and they were keen to share my excitement..  
>> One asked, what kind of bike is it?  I was torn -- said it was kind of like 
>> a mountain bike.  Next question: Will I take it up the back of Grouse 
>> Mountain (a nice dirt road route) and I had to say, maybe but I am putting 
>> road (Compass 44s) tires on it.  They seemed confused.  What is the deal 
>> with this MTB type thing that rides on smooth stuff?
>> 
>> Is there a simple explanation that  I could use and make people go "a-ha, I 
>> understand about your bicycle! " 
>> 
>> Just curious, since once it's built up they will see it (and are close to my 
>> proportions so can ride it for themselves).
>> 
>> How to describe it?
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> EricF
>> Vancouver
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[RBW] Re: what kind of bike is it?

[Orc]

Call it a hybrid; that's a more familiar term than the Riv 'all-arounder' 
(or the PNW "randonneuse", which is similar but not really to the french 
originals.)

-david parsons

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 3:56:32 PM UTC-7, ericf3 wrote:
>
> greetings
>
> I picked up my own first Riv (Bombadil F&F) today (more about that in 
> coming days) and then ended up at lunch with some pals who are casual 
> cyclists.  I told them it was New Bike Day, and they were keen to share my 
> excitement..  One asked, what kind of bike is it?  I was torn -- said it 
> was kind of like a mountain bike.  Next question: Will I take it up the 
> back of Grouse Mountain (a nice dirt road route) and I had to say, maybe 
> but I am putting road (Compass 44s) tires on it.  They seemed confused.  
> What is the deal with this MTB type thing that rides on smooth stuff?
>
> Is there a simple explanation that  I could use and make people go "a-ha, 
> I understand about your bicycle! " 
>
> Just curious, since once it's built up they will see it (and are close to 
> my proportions so can ride it for themselves).
>
> How to describe it?
>
> thanks
>
> EricF
> Vancouver
>

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[RBW] what kind of bike is it?

[GAJett]

Oh, BTW,your Compass tires should work just fine on the "good dirt road" of 
Grouse Mountain. 

You can find many stories about riding such roads (and worse) at the Compass 
bikes blog, Off the Beaten Path. Follow the link from compasscycle.com. 

There are also extensive discussions there on the benefits of riding with lower 
pressures and wider tires, even on skinny-tired racing bikes. Informative 
reading. 

Cheers!

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[RBW] FS 58cm A. Homer Hilsen.

[Hugh Smitham]

I’ve decided to sell my Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen in excellent condition 
and lovingly cared for.

 

Original owner purchased in 2012 58cm Toyo Built (650b)

 

Includes Frame, Fork and Velo Orange Grand Cru headset.

 

Custom green color by D&D paint There are some paint chips or nicks in the 
paint. I’m mentioning the most notable, kickstand plate, rear drop outs, 
seat tube & top tube cluster where pump rested, right front drop out. None 
that I can see are down to the metal. Rust free from living in SoCal.

 

$1500.00 plus shipping CONUS.

 

Please let me know if you have any question and contact me via private 
email. 


Images 


 

~Hugh Smitham

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[RBW] San Francisco Bay Area folks: A rides list to know about!

[Reed Kennedy]

I've been riding in the SF Bay Area for over a decade, and I only just
found out about this Rivendell-adjacent rides list:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer#!forum/bay-area-rivendell-riders

If you're local and looking for similar-minded folks to ride with you might
consider signing up. I just posted a ride for tomorrow, and there's another
one on Sunday headed up Mt Tam for pancakes!

I'll probably post more there, especially if there's interest, rather than
clogging up the global BOB and RBW lists.

(Apologies for the location-specific content, but I'm just so excited to
find this resource. Seems worth a post here to get the word out!)


Best,
Reed
SF, CA

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[RBW] Last Blue 62 Sam Hillborne Frame

[Jay Connolly]

I bought my 62cm silver Appaloosa about a month ago and have tinkered 
obsessively to get the setup exactly as I want it for a light tour this summer 
(2000km, all told, through the Yukon and Alaska). The bike has front the and 
rear Surly racks and SKS fenders, fairly heavy oversize aluminum pedals, a 
kickstand, a brooks saddle, and so on. It weights AT LEAST 35 pounds--maybe 
closer to 40--and I absolutely love it. I'm 6'5" and tip the scales at about 
265, and I'm never lighter than 250, so a few extra pounds of bicycle is pretty 
much unnoticeable. I generally average about 15 mph. My all time record on a 
flattish local route was an average of 20 mph, and once I hit that mark, I gave 
up trying to exceed it. The Appaloosa will be my tourer/shopper/hauler.

This afternoon I ordered the last blue-and-cream 62cm Sam Hillborne from Vince 
at Rivendell. This bike will be built for long (and short) local rides. No 
fenders, no racks, 32-35 gumwalls, with a brown Brooks and maybe leather bar 
tape, plus a lot of polished silver parts. I don't imagine I'll be more than 
about about 1 mph faster on it than I am on the Appaloosa, but it will be a 
completely different aesthetic and will run a moustache bar (probably Nitto 
rather than Albastache). It will be my fast (all things being relative) bike.

The bikes are similar in geomerty, but that will suit me just fine. I'm hoping 
to last a while with just three bikes--Appaloosa, Sam Hillborne, and my Jones 
Plus for off-road duties. Plus a winter bike, of course.

Just had to share my excitement.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: what kind of bike is it?

[iamkeith]

As noted, all-arounder is pretty apt, and also the term Grant uses often.   

Of course, you realize that trying to pigeonhole something by categorizing it  
completely defeats the purpose of it not belonging to a category.

I always liked chris kostman's take, with the "rough riders" / "any-bike 
anywhere", / XO-1 thing, that picked up where grant left off, and was even more 
militant about the non-category category.

http://www.xo-1.org/?m=0

(I think the energy for the site sort of fizzled out after a while, once 
rational, useful bikes and reasonable tires became more commonplace.  There was 
a time not that long ago when rivendell was all alone in this, though.) 

It's actually kind of odd that you'd even need to explain or rationalize this 
to someone these days, in this post- monster cross / adventure bike / gravel 
grinder / all road / bike packing marketing reality that rivendell spawned.

Hope that was a coherent thought stream.  Too many beers tonight..

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Dura Ace Barend shifters

[RonaTD]

Shifters are sold ...and installed on my new Waterford ST22 with low trail 
Heron fork. Thanks Greg!

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Ray Varella]

You're welcome Patrick. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

Perfect. Thanks, Ray!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 7:29:07 PM UTC-6, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>  I divided an 8oz bottle between three tubes. 
> I turned the bottle upside down and then marked it with a sharpie. 
> The amount of air space at the top of the bottle would make it harder to 
> guess at the amount accurately. Make sense?
>
> I'm not particularly exact with air pressure. I usually start at about 
> 45-50 psi and add air when tires start to feel like they might wash out 
> during hard cornering. 
>
> Hope that helps. 
>
> Ray
>
>

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[RBW] Re: what kind of bike is it?

[GAJett]

All-rounder? Country bike? Do It All? Road bike? Commuter? Tourer? For my AHH 
the answer is YES!!! And More!

Have done most of the above (not yet touring but certainly will). Lots of road: 
good; cracked, broken & alligatored; good dirt; bad dirt; single-track; 
whatever. My AHH handles all with grace and confidence. 

Have surprised MTN bikers following them down narrow ridges. 25 mph down good 
fire road, not a problem. Fat old guy on a first 100k, very pleasant. Paved 
bike trail blocked, ring your bell and dive off across the dirt shoulder with 
no loss of speed. 

When your buddies ask if your Riv can do X, the answer is YES!

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Ray Varella]

Patrick,
 I divided an 8oz bottle between three tubes. 
I turned the bottle upside down and then marked it with a sharpie. 
The amount of air space at the top of the bottle would make it harder to guess 
at the amount accurately. Make sense?

I'm not particularly exact with air pressure. I usually start at about 45-50 
psi and add air when tires start to feel like they might wash out during hard 
cornering. 

Hope that helps. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet, Ray! How much OJ do you put in each tube and at what pressures?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 5:42:26 PM UTC-6, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Deacon Patrick,
>  Several months ago I rode through a mine field of 
> goatheads and switched to Patrick Moores method of orange seal in tubes. 
> Since then, I've pulled a number of goatheads out of my tires, watched a 
> little bubbling take place and ride on. 
> No flats since. We'll see how it goes in the fall when the fresh crop of 
> goatheads ripen and litter the roads. 
>
>
> Ray
>

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[RBW] Re: what kind of bike is it?

[Garth]

Well, with a big smile and a happy heart I call my Bomba framed bike a bike, 
and I call my Franklin framed bike, a bike. What a coincidence, I have TWO 
bikes !  Ahahahahaahahah !

Yes, I know we like to put things in categories, and it need not be more to a 
bike than being a bike, because there isn't. ☺

A-hahhh ! 


More than that and I get lost mental gymnastics, and I always found gymnastics 
to be alot of work. I'm sweating just thinking about all that thinking and I 
would rather not sweat much these days.  

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[RBW] Re: what kind of bike is it?

[Deacon Patrick]

As you've likely seen, my Hunqapillar, very similar to the Bombadil, sports 
Compass Snoquamies. Yesterday I rode in on single track and I would 
describe the ride as exhilarating and not underbiking, though the loose 
gravel meant I had to LCG for 20 steps more than with the Racing Ralphs. 
Not bad for the plush delight of riding the dirt and asphalt roads of the 9 
mile 1,600 foot climb. Today I took it on a route that save for the deeps 
of winter is a Quickbeam only ride (Barlow Pass 38s), and the ride was yet 
plusher and smoother with a slightly less lively feeling climb vs. the 
sporty QB, but I don't track time.

Imagine a bike you can ride to the trail head on any roads, then ride the 
trail with more fun and skill than a dedicated MTB. That's how I think of 
it.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 4:56:32 PM UTC-6, ericf3 wrote:
>
> greetings
>
> I picked up my own first Riv (Bombadil F&F) today (more about that in 
> coming days) and then ended up at lunch with some pals who are casual 
> cyclists.  I told them it was New Bike Day, and they were keen to share my 
> excitement..  One asked, what kind of bike is it?  I was torn -- said it 
> was kind of like a mountain bike.  Next question: Will I take it up the 
> back of Grouse Mountain (a nice dirt road route) and I had to say, maybe 
> but I am putting road (Compass 44s) tires on it.  They seemed confused.  
> What is the deal with this MTB type thing that rides on smooth stuff?
>
> Is there a simple explanation that  I could use and make people go "a-ha, 
> I understand about your bicycle! " 
>
> Just curious, since once it's built up they will see it (and are close to 
> my proportions so can ride it for themselves).
>
> How to describe it?
>
> thanks
>
> EricF
> Vancouver
>

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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Ray Varella]

Deacon Patrick,
 Several months ago I rode through a mine field of 
goatheads and switched to Patrick Moores method of orange seal in tubes. 
Since then, I've pulled a number of goatheads out of my tires, watched a little 
bubbling take place and ride on. 
No flats since. We'll see how it goes in the fall when the fresh crop of 
goatheads ripen and litter the roads. 


Ray

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[RBW] Re: what kind of bike is it?

[Jim M.]

If I had to categorize, I'd call my Bomba an all-rounder. I've got 2 
wheelsets, and probably 4 sets of tires. Knobs for the gnar, Conti Tour 
Rides for around town (though they'll handle fire roads), and Hetres if I 
get the urge to randoneur on it. 

jim m
walnut creek

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 3:56:32 PM UTC-7, ericf3 wrote:
>
> greetings
>
> I picked up my own first Riv (Bombadil F&F) today (more about that in 
> coming days) and then ended up at lunch with some pals who are casual 
> cyclists.  I told them it was New Bike Day, and they were keen to share my 
> excitement..  One asked, what kind of bike is it?  I was torn -- said it 
> was kind of like a mountain bike.  Next question: Will I take it up the 
> back of Grouse Mountain (a nice dirt road route) and I had to say, maybe 
> but I am putting road (Compass 44s) tires on it.  They seemed confused.  
> What is the deal with this MTB type thing that rides on smooth stuff?
>
> Is there a simple explanation that  I could use and make people go "a-ha, 
> I understand about your bicycle! " 
>
> Just curious, since once it's built up they will see it (and are close to 
> my proportions so can ride it for themselves).
>
> How to describe it?
>
> thanks
>
> EricF
> Vancouver
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shopsack, Brooks Select, SKS Fenders, VO Rando Rack, TRP Hoods

[Austin ^]

The hoods are now sold as well - The rack, fenders and saddles are still up 
for grabs. 

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[RBW] what kind of bike is it?

[Eric Floden]

greetings

I picked up my own first Riv (Bombadil F&F) today (more about that in
coming days) and then ended up at lunch with some pals who are casual
cyclists.  I told them it was New Bike Day, and they were keen to share my
excitement..  One asked, what kind of bike is it?  I was torn -- said it
was kind of like a mountain bike.  Next question: Will I take it up the
back of Grouse Mountain (a nice dirt road route) and I had to say, maybe
but I am putting road (Compass 44s) tires on it.  They seemed confused.
What is the deal with this MTB type thing that rides on smooth stuff?

Is there a simple explanation that  I could use and make people go "a-ha, I
understand about your bicycle! "

Just curious, since once it's built up they will see it (and are close to
my proportions so can ride it for themselves).

How to describe it?

thanks

EricF
Vancouver

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shopsack, Brooks Select, SKS Fenders, VO Rando Rack, TRP Hoods

[Austin ^]

The Shop Sack has been sold - Everything else is still available. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How does Compass tire compare with Pari Moto?

[Eric Floden]

Indeed...just thinking along those lines

EricF
Vancouver

On Jun 16, 2017 1:56 PM, "Ash A"  wrote:

> Hi Garth,
>
> Your periodic reminders to just keep riding is indeed useful!
>
> I'm born with an itch to constantly experiment with things.  Sometimes
> this habit  can go out of control, so hearing some words of wisdom
> definitely helps :)  Thanks.
>
>
> On Friday, 16 June 2017 09:32:57 UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Ash, unless you want to make changing tires a habit and like it, and
>> unless you have some compelling reason beyond "comparitis", just keep
>> riding what you have.
>>
>> To me good riding is forgetting altogether about the bike, about yourself
>> even, about all those things that seemed so important but are not.
>>
>> I remember all the touring I did in the early 80's on the Trek I had at
>> the time. It had 28mm Specialzed Touring Turbo tires. I don't recall ever
>> flatting as I look back, and I never recall wishing for other tires, but I
>> do recall all the fun I had just being there, whereever that happened to
>> be. I looked up those tires for some "specs" and found them in a 1984 Palo
>> Alto catalog which I used to shop from , seems these nice folding tires
>> weighed a whopping 250 grams. Huh, how about that.
>>
>> Having since gitten sucked in to the "wider is better" wave, I say wider
>> tires are just wider, not better or worse. I like the ride of narrow tires
>> on road-ish bikes, like 25-32mm, give or take. A wider tire will never feel
>> the same as narrower and vice versa. Just different ways . I have seen many
>> waves in the cycling biz, some stay some do not. All in all more choices is
>> alright as long as what you prefer is still available and not forgotten
>> just for sake of the wave of something "new".
>>
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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet! Sorry about the flat. I haven't flatted at all with my Barlows (and 
so far the Snoqualmies). However, I plan to add 2 oz of orange seal to each 
tire's tube when I tour/bikepack. Patrick of the Moore swears by this and 
he's in goat head central.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 2:42:56 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> Patrick, I lowered my PSI to 40-45, and really enjoyed the results! The 
> Atlantis felt a bit cushier and zippier. I got a flat, but it wasn't a 
> pinch flat so I'm guessing pressure had little to do with it.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How does Compass tire compare with Pari Moto?

[Ash A]

Hi Garth,

Your periodic reminders to just keep riding is indeed useful!

I'm born with an itch to constantly experiment with things.  Sometimes this 
habit  can go out of control, so hearing some words of wisdom definitely 
helps :)  Thanks.


On Friday, 16 June 2017 09:32:57 UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> Ash, unless you want to make changing tires a habit and like it, and 
> unless you have some compelling reason beyond "comparitis", just keep 
> riding what you have. 
>
> To me good riding is forgetting altogether about the bike, about yourself 
> even, about all those things that seemed so important but are not. 
>
> I remember all the touring I did in the early 80's on the Trek I had at 
> the time. It had 28mm Specialzed Touring Turbo tires. I don't recall ever 
> flatting as I look back, and I never recall wishing for other tires, but I 
> do recall all the fun I had just being there, whereever that happened to 
> be. I looked up those tires for some "specs" and found them in a 1984 Palo 
> Alto catalog which I used to shop from , seems these nice folding tires 
> weighed a whopping 250 grams. Huh, how about that. 
>
> Having since gitten sucked in to the "wider is better" wave, I say wider 
> tires are just wider, not better or worse. I like the ride of narrow tires 
> on road-ish bikes, like 25-32mm, give or take. A wider tire will never feel 
> the same as narrower and vice versa. Just different ways . I have seen many 
> waves in the cycling biz, some stay some do not. All in all more choices is 
> alright as long as what you prefer is still available and not forgotten 
> just for sake of the wave of something "new". 
>
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[RBW] Re: Snoqualmie Wow

[John G.]

Patrick, I lowered my PSI to 40-45, and really enjoyed the results! The 
Atlantis felt a bit cushier and zippier. I got a flat, but it wasn't a 
pinch flat so I'm guessing pressure had little to do with it.

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 7:46:03 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick--Just to clarify, I was not being facetious, just a gentle 
> ribbing--I get where you are coming from. At this point seemingly the only 
> real question with the various Compass rubber is how does it measure, and 
> on what rims. Or, as you have done, comparing one size to another regarding 
> handling.
>
> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 9:26:45 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Spot on with the fender assessment, Ian. I'm keeping it as is for the 
>> Racing Ralph winters (which means October through April or May round here). 
>> I was surprised at the improvement from the Barlows to the Snoqualmie in 
>> handling steep sided ruts (not sliding down them as much).
>>
>> Show us the thread, Andy! We'll defend your honor! Grin.
>>
>> Mark, aye, I debated posting an 8-mile review, for what is it really 
>> worth? I decided that because the tire is a larger Barlow, which I've 
>> ridden for three years and thus know quite well, and on a road that I know 
>> very well, that the initial enthusiasm has a more solid basis for reference 
>> rather than fluff. Still -- just eight miles (well, 30, after my single 
>> track ride in the afternoon).
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 11:16:34 PM UTC-6, Ian A wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like there is room for full-coverage fenders with that set-up. 
>>> Although, I expect you'll want to put the Ralphs back on when the snow 
>>> flies.
>>>
>>> I now have a number of rides on Hetres (584x41) and they float along. 
>>> What surprises me is their ability to deal with really poor condition 
>>> pavement. They don't seem to be a fragile tire. Compass know their stuff.
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 5:33:11 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Photo of the new shoes and a singletrack update...
 http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hunqapillars-new-shoes

 On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Compass’ EL Snoqualmie have turned my Hunqapillar into a stout, geared 
> Quickbeam. Grin.
>
> Just did my first ride on thebeauties, all of 8 miles, but it is the 8 
> miles of Ute Pass to Woodland Park via CR21 that I ride to ride anywhere 
> else. Wow. Yet smoother than the Compass (not surprising with 44mm vs 
> 38). 
> I was a full gear higher at the same exertion vs. my Racing Ralph 2.1” 
> (yeah, a big difference in tire size, so more than one factor).
>
> I look forward to getting onto the singletrack and seeing how the do 
> there. I’d LOVE a 2 or 2.1” Compass tire for an all-round do everything 
> on 
> a plush cloud tire, but I suspect the Snoqualmie will be far less 
> underbiking than the Compass.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Shifting Mystery - Help

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

ascpgh: It's a Microshift Mezzo long cage derailleur. There is definitely 
some play in the pulleys, so I might start by replacing those. But I almost 
think that if I'm going that route I'll just get a new rear derailleur. The 
Altus seems like a pretty low cost test.

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 7:48:03 AM UTC-7, comm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> What rear derailleur are you using?  I don't have an answer to your 
> problem but am curious because I have had similar issues with my new to me 
> Atlantis.  I've now ridden it about 600 miles trying to get used to how it 
> came to me.  Shifting, particularly on the large cogs in back was very 
> finicky - sometimes noisy, sometimes skipping, sometimes hunting, sometimes 
> shifting on bumps.  Rideable but annoying.  Initially I figured I just 
> needed to adjust to new to me gear but patience wore thin.  I thought maybe 
> the Shimano Deore XT derailleur was tweeked as it is pretty marked up but 
> first I double checked the hanger alignment and tweeked it a bit.  May have 
> helped but still not great.  Checked again, still not satisfactory. 
>  Ditched the Silver right hand shifter as it constantly needed tightening 
> and installed an old Suntour barcon.  That was better but still not quite 
> right.  So, I was thinking the derailleur must be tweeked but then I 
> noticed that it would not hold any fine trimming in between ratchet clicks, 
> which seems bizarre to me. I finally decided to replace the rear derailleur 
> with a Suntour VxGT.  That appears to have solved my problem but I lose the 
> chain wrap of the XT (something I'm not too concerned about because I don't 
> like cross chaining anyway).  I had been wondering if anyone else had 
> similar problems and thought your problem might be related.  Is there some 
> adjustment on the XT that I am unaware of that allows infinite trimming?

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[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Brewster Fong]

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 8:45:44 PM UTC-7, panog wrote:
>
> If one believes that the XT diiscussion here is purely circumstantial or 
> anecdotal and wants more proof then a basic Google search on the subject 
> would show a lot of unfavorable comments on what XT developed to be. Plain 
> and simple. Most people do not make negative comments on a product if they 
> are not deserved. 
>
> Pano
>
> PS. I am a Shimano man and also prefer cup and cone hubs
>

It may be anecdotal, but many years ago, iboberAlex Wetmore warned of the 
problems with the XT (M770) hubs that have aluminum axles:

There is one major problem with the LHT wheels. *They are using the
FH-M770 rear hub, which has smaller bearings (3/16") than standard
Shimano rear hubs (1/4") and uses aluminum axles with easy to strip
threads. 

I knew about the smaller bearings, but just learned about the aluminum
axle this weekend with a friend visited with a "broken" one. *When he
took it apart in my shop he discovered that the end cap had stripped
the threads in the axle. *I took a photo which you can find here: 

*http://alexandchristine.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Shimano-XT-Aluminum-Axle/10997988_eTAGA#768940509_7GQHt*
 


The axle in the rear is a standard 10mm steel Shimano hub axle. *You
can see that the thread pitch and the height of the threads is the
same on each. He had not adjusted the bearings from the Shimano
factory before having this failure. *I personally think that this is a
silly place to save weight on a touring bike and would recommend LX
hubs over XT ones for touring and commuting wheelsets. *Since the end
cap is also used to preload the bearings it will not be fully threaded
onto the axle. *In this
case it looks like it was being held on with only two or three
threads. I was disappointed to see this "development". 

*XT has almost always been light in smart ways, so that it ends up a
little lighter than LX without giving up any durability. *Now it looks
like LX is the durable group and My heavy duty city/tour wheelset is
built on plain Deores. The bearing feel is phenomenal compared to even
five years ago. The seals are magnificent. They just need a little
touch of the cone wrench out of the box. 


So you have been warnedGood Luck!

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RE: [RBW] Re: How does Compass tire compare with Pari Moto?

[Garth]

Ash, unless you want to make changing tires a habit and like it, and unless you 
have some compelling reason beyond "comparitis", just keep riding what you 
have. 

To me good riding is forgetting altogether about the bike, about yourself even, 
about all those things that seemed so important but are not. 

I remember all the touring I did in the early 80's on the Trek I had at the 
time. It had 28mm Specialzed Touring Turbo tires. I don't recall ever flatting 
as I look back, and I never recall wishing for other tires, but I do recall all 
the fun I had just being there, whereever that happened to be. I looked up 
those tires for some "specs" and found them in a 1984 Palo Alto catalog which I 
used to shop from , seems these nice folding tires weighed a whopping 250 
grams. Huh, how about that. 

Having since gitten sucked in to the "wider is better" wave, I say wider tires 
are just wider, not better or worse. I like the ride of narrow tires on 
road-ish bikes, like 25-32mm, give or take. A wider tire will never feel the 
same as narrower and vice versa. Just different ways . I have seen many waves 
in the cycling biz, some stay some do not. All in all more choices is alright 
as long as what you prefer is still available and not forgotten just for sake 
of the wave of something "new". 

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Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

[Patrick Moore]

This may be only a remote possibility, but I've experienced iffy shifting
and chain tracking when a single chain link was binding slightly.

As to Silver levers not staying adjusted: I use a dollop of Loctite on the
mounting/adjusting screw, and had no further problems with slipping. I do
like the old Bar Con mounting design better, though; although I cured the
slipping problem with Silvers, I found they are rather delicate, and I've
broken 2 or 3 by having the bike fall over on them.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:21 PM,  wrote:

> What rear derailleur are you using?  I don't have an answer to your
> problem but am curious because I have had similar issues with my new to me
> Atlantis.  I've now ridden it about 600 miles trying to get used to how it
> came to me.  Shifting, particularly on the large cogs in back was very
> finicky - sometimes noisy, sometimes skipping, sometimes hunting, sometimes
> shifting on bumps.  Rideable but annoying.  Initially I figured I just
> needed to adjust to new to me gear but patience wore thin.  I thought maybe
> the Shimano Deore XT derailleur was tweeked as it is pretty marked up but
> first I double checked the hanger alignment and tweeked it a bit.  May have
> helped but still not great.  Checked again, still not satisfactory.
> Ditched the Silver right hand shifter as it constantly needed tightening
> and installed an old Suntour barcon.  That was better but still not quite
> right.  So, I was thinking the derailleur must be tweeked but then I
> noticed that it would not hold any fine trimming in between ratchet clicks,
> which seems bizarre to me. I finally decided to replace the rear derailleur
> with a Suntour VxGT.  That appears to have solved my problem but I lose the
> chain wrap of the XT (something I'm not too concerned about because I don't
> like cross chaining anyway).  I had been wondering if anyone else had
> similar problems and thought your problem might be related.  Is there some
> adjustment on the XT that I am unaware of that allows infinite trimming?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700 x 35

[GSE]

Tires are sold.

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 6:31:44 PM UTC-5, GSE wrote:
>
> One pair of Schwalbe Marathon Supremes.  Size 700 x 35.  These are the 
> folding bead Evolution Line.  The tires are used, but in excellent 
> condition.  They have been used for less than 200 miles.  
> $50.00 for the pair including shipping in the lower 48.
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[RBW] Re: Rear hub for Atlantis build: WI or PW?

[Philip Williamson]

On the other hand... everyone needs another fixie hub, right? 

I just bought a used King Classic on ebay for $120 shipped, to match a 
front hub I've had in the drawer for a couple of years. I couldn't pull the 
trigger on a $450 hub after all. 
I'm probably going to build the wheelset with Sun CR-18 rims, since they're 
the same internal width as the A23, 10g heavier, but half the cost. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Rich, my newer xt rear hub's freehub body seized twice. Original and the 
> replacement in less than 2 years. This failure turns the hub into a fixed 
> wheel unexpectedly  and depending on when it happens the consequences can 
> be  serious. "Toning it down" in regards to this failure mode does not seem 
> like a good idea to me. I am not the only one this happened to either. 
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Dura Ace Barend shifters

[GSE]

Shifters are sold.

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 6:36:33 PM UTC-5, GSE wrote:
>
> One pair of Shimano Dura Ace Barend shifters.  
>
> Model:  SL-BS79
> SIS-SP41 cable housings included.
>
> These are 10 speed shifters. The shifters and cable housings came as a set 
> in one box.  The set is new and still in the box.  Never used or installed.
>
> Asking $75.00 including shipping in the lower 48.
>
> PM me off-line if interested.
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[RBW] FS: S&S Coupled 700c Bilenky Tourer Price Drop & other frames

[Eric Douglas]

 I'm dropping the asking price to 1300 and will be happy to include a few 
components with the deal.

Also, the green and gray frames I've previously listed are still available.

I'm open to offers.

Eric

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 9:34:26 PM UTC-4, Eric Douglas wrote:
>
> Continuing my downsizing, I’m putting my S&S Coupled  700c Bilenky Tourer 
> up for sale.  When I asked Stephen Bilenky to design it, I more or less 
> wanted something with a similar ride as my Rivendell Atlantis, but with 
> fillet brazing instead of ornate lugs,  curved seatstays for heel 
> clearance, a bit more standover and S&S couplers.  It has served me well 
> on some longish tours (3 weeks unsupported)  and many day rides. Stephen 
> build it with his highest level of finish (“signature”) and the frame new 
> would cost with couplers about $3800
>
>  
>
> There are no dents, dings or anything more than  a few 2-3 mm chips in 
> the powdercoat.
>
>  
>
> The frame includes brazeons for 4 water bottle cages, front and rear racks 
> and fenders,  as well as a pump peg and chain hanger.
>
>  
>
> Chris King headset installed.
>
>  
>
> Some measurements:
>
>  
>
> Clearance for  true 45mm tires plus fenders.
>
> 72 degree seat tube and head tube angles.
>
> BB Drop 80mm
>
> Seat Tube c-c 53cm
>
> Top tube c-c 57cm
>
> Chainstays: 45.5 cm
>
> 26.8 seatpost (included)
>
>  
>
> For fit reference: I’m 5’ 11”,  and have a 84cm PBH. 
>
>  
>
> Photos  at:
>
>  
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/147685640@N03/albums/72157682028249332
>
>  
>
> I also have enough parts to fully build up the bike.
>
>  
>
> Please feel free to ask questions, make suggestions, etc.
>
>  
>
> Asking 1400 and open to offers.
>
>  
>
> Eric Douglas in hot and humid Brooklyn.
>

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[RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

[commutour]

What rear derailleur are you using?  I don't have an answer to your problem but 
am curious because I have had similar issues with my new to me Atlantis.  I've 
now ridden it about 600 miles trying to get used to how it came to me.  
Shifting, particularly on the large cogs in back was very finicky - sometimes 
noisy, sometimes skipping, sometimes hunting, sometimes shifting on bumps.  
Rideable but annoying.  Initially I figured I just needed to adjust to new to 
me gear but patience wore thin.  I thought maybe the Shimano Deore XT 
derailleur was tweeked as it is pretty marked up but first I double checked the 
hanger alignment and tweeked it a bit.  May have helped but still not great.  
Checked again, still not satisfactory.  Ditched the Silver right hand shifter 
as it constantly needed tightening and installed an old Suntour barcon.  That 
was better but still not quite right.  So, I was thinking the derailleur must 
be tweeked but then I noticed that it would not hold any fine trimming in 
between ratchet clicks, which seems bizarre to me. I finally decided to replace 
the rear derailleur with a Suntour VxGT.  That appears to have solved my 
problem but I lose the chain wrap of the XT (something I'm not too concerned 
about because I don't like cross chaining anyway).  I had been wondering if 
anyone else had similar problems and thought your problem might be related.  Is 
there some adjustment on the XT that I am unaware of that allows infinite 
trimming?

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[RBW] WTB: Zero offset seatpost 27.2

[Singlespeed Johnny]

i've got one...! 27.2 silver thomson zero offset. where are you located?

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[RBW] Re: FS Brooks Cambium C17 (2 available)

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi Chris, they are both slate. I have had quite a bit of interest in these and 
currently have a sale pending on both.

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Re: [RBW] Shifting Mystery - Help

[ascpgh]

I'm so used to 7-speed friction shifting on my Rambouillet that I seek rear 
derailleurs with less lateral play of the upper pulley wheel, currently a 
Suntour XC-Pro mid cage for that drivetrain. Others include other ST 
road/MTB units and a gem of a Mavic 841. You can replace the top pulley 
wheel of a Shimano RD and pack the spacers to nix the play, if you wanted. 

I switched  to friction on my 9-spd commuter last winter during a ride home 
when indexing was faltering. I found that I could do multiple cog shifts 
resolving my need for a harder/easier gear, but sequential gear shifts were 
not pretty, even after cleaning things up and trying in more neutral 
circumstances for all the reasons contributed so far.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 1:41:41 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Here's a question I didn't think of: Were you friction-shifting 8-speed 
> before? I've been fine with 9-speed after getting used to it, but 8 is 
> definitely more forgiving of having the pulleys slightly off center without 
> catching an adjacent cog. These modern (by Rivvy standards) 9-speed 
> cassettes are built with all kinds of jagged shapes to facilitate an index 
> shifter popping that chain to the next cog for some masher who doesn't know 
> anything about lifting for shifts. 9-speed is certainly workable with 
> friction, but it takes practice and a deft hand to nail it. 

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[RBW] Re: Ironweed and VO

[Steve Butcher]

I'll bump the price down to $90.00 shipped CONUS-Paypal Family and Friends.

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
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> I've decided my large front bag is not ideal for my bike so I'm offering 
> for sale a black Ironweed Orphington handlebar bag along with a VO 
> decaleur.  The bag is black canvas and has not tears or holes.  Pardon the 
> gravel dust.  The stem bracket for the decaleur fits a 1 1/8 inch stem.  
> I'd like to get $95.00 for the set up plus shipping CONUS.  PM me if you've 
> any questions.  
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