Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Bill M.]

I use the plastic patch kit box as the 'anvil', and the rounded end of a 
tire lever to apply the pressure to make sure the patch seals well to the 
tube.  

Also, I leave the clear plastic on the patch if I'm reinstalling 
immediately.  That makes sure I don't pull the patch free.  If using the 
patched tube as a spare, I'll remove the plastic after the patch has had a 
suitably long time to cure.  Bending the patched area a bit will often open 
up a split in the plastic, so it can be peeled off center-to-edge.  

Bill
Stockton, CA  


On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 1:35:39 PM UTC-7, Jon Spangler wrote:
>
>
>
> 2) Rolling over the patch once it is applied to the tube- 
>
>  
>
> a) place the tube on a wide, flat, and hard surface, then
>
>  
>
> b) use a frame or floor pump barrel like a rolling pin and roll across the 
> patch in different directions. 
>
>
>  Rolling the patch like a pie crust helps cement the patch completely, 
> IMHO. Not sure where I learned this step but it seems to help.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe step through now configured for winter

[Bill M.]

Probably a Norwegian.  Or a Finn.

Bill
Half Finnish in Stockton, CA 
(where it snows even less than in San Francisco)

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> I wanna know who was the first person to winter in Minn. and then looked 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let it Begin! (Winter, that is)

[Patrick Moore]

Another interesting post with very good photos.

Winter must indeed start up high, because Quebec City, at about the
latitude of N Dakota and Minnesota, but in the Buffalo, NY snow belt, and
where I did my graduate studies, doesn't, or didn't, get its first real
snow until November, and often not until mid or late November. You'd get
freezing temps at night before mid-Sept, and winter by the end of the
month, but only flurries until past mid November.

Note though that, for Quebec, "first real snow" often means 2 feet, and
"flurries" are what others call "storms." 13 feet in an average year, with
the fall alone, no drifts, and including sublimation, accumulating by mid
December so that just the final foot of 8' high goal posts show on the
Plains of Abraham. 12' tunnels along some of the big roads on the outskirts
where they just toss the snow aside instead of trucking it away. Snow lasts
through April, tho' mid April is snow + thaw = mush; and May is spring, so
that June is hot and green and muggy and glorious.

I did read of at least one youngster, grad student? who rode in winter;
this pre mountain bike and certainly pre fat bike. Of course, they do a
*real* job of snow removal in the more built up parts of the city.

Is 18*F a typical winter temp at 10K feet, in your area? Typical Q city
highs in Dec were between +5 and 15 *F, and late Jan and Feb were the cold
months.

Here in ABQ, I dearly love to ride in one or three good falls a year,
unusual to get more than 1, but I'm glad it all melts within a few days.



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> ...
>


> Winter lands from above, and at 8-10,000 feet for most of my rides, it
> lands early and stays late. Good news (for me) is I'm stupid enou
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. That long ago!

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 6:46 PM, R Shannon  wrote:

> 1994, Riv Reder #6
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you! I look forward to re-reading it.
>>
>> Do you, or does anyone else, recall when this was published?
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:58 PM, R Shannon 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, attached is Grant's 1994 interview with Jobst Brandt, published
>>> in Rivendell Reader No. 6. (Asking forgiveness from Grant for reproducing
>>> without permission. Please don't sue me!).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rich: please do post the RR Jobst article, or a link to it, when you
 get a chance. I'd like to see it again. Thanks.

 An aside: I find it rather amusing that Jobst's 700C bikes have
 proportions that look like my 559-wheeled bikes; his must have had 70 cm
 c-c seat tubes.

 Patrick Moore, who hopes to do some overbiking* later today.

 * On 700C X 51 mm tires on flat sandy and gravelly terrain that has
 been compacted by recent rains.

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> Talk about underbiking. Wow! Thanks Patrick.
>
> You're correct. Grant did an interview with Jobst and published it in
> a RR. Not able to post it until tonight or tomorrow, but will unless
> someone else beats me to it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[R Shannon]

Patrick, my apologies - not 1994! Perusing RR #6, 1996 seems about right.

Thank you,
Richard

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> 1994, Riv Reder #6
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Patrick Moore 
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>> Thank you! I look forward to re-reading it.
>>
>> Do you, or does anyone else, recall when this was published?
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:58 PM, R Shannon 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, attached is Grant's 1994 interview with Jobst Brandt, published
>>> in Rivendell Reader No. 6. (Asking forgiveness from Grant for reproducing
>>> without permission. Please don't sue me!).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rich: please do post the RR Jobst article, or a link to it, when you
 get a chance. I'd like to see it again. Thanks.

 An aside: I find it rather amusing that Jobst's 700C bikes have
 proportions that look like my 559-wheeled bikes; his must have had 70 cm
 c-c seat tubes.

 Patrick Moore, who hopes to do some overbiking* later today.

 * On 700C X 51 mm tires on flat sandy and gravelly terrain that has
 been compacted by recent rains.

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>
> You're correct. Grant did an interview with Jobst and published it in
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[Mike Williams]

Hey there Richard,   Could you re-send that link to the Jobst Brandt interview 
with Grant when you get a chance?   I'd love to read it,  just didnt see it.   
Thank you!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 5:32 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
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> Thank you! I look forward to re-reading it.
> 
> Do you, or does anyone else, recall when this was published?
> 
> Patrick
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:58 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
>> Patrick, attached is Grant's 1994 interview with Jobst Brandt, published in 
>> Rivendell Reader No. 6. (Asking forgiveness from Grant for reproducing 
>> without permission. Please don't sue me!).
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Richard
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>> Rich: please do post the RR Jobst article, or a link to it, when you get a 
>>> chance. I'd like to see it again. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> An aside: I find it rather amusing that Jobst's 700C bikes have proportions 
>>> that look like my 559-wheeled bikes; his must have had 70 cm c-c seat tubes.
>>> 
>>> Patrick Moore, who hopes to do some overbiking* later today.
>>> 
>>> * On 700C X 51 mm tires on flat sandy and gravelly terrain that has been 
>>> compacted by recent rains.
>>> 
 On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
 Talk about underbiking. Wow! Thanks Patrick.
 
 You're correct. Grant did an interview with Jobst and published it in a 
 RR. Not able to post it until tonight or tomorrow, but will unless someone 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[R Shannon]

1994, Riv Reder #6

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thank you! I look forward to re-reading it.
>
> Do you, or does anyone else, recall when this was published?
>
> Patrick
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:58 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, attached is Grant's 1994 interview with Jobst Brandt, published
>> in Rivendell Reader No. 6. (Asking forgiveness from Grant for reproducing
>> without permission. Please don't sue me!).
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rich: please do post the RR Jobst article, or a link to it, when you get
>>> a chance. I'd like to see it again. Thanks.
>>>
>>> An aside: I find it rather amusing that Jobst's 700C bikes have
>>> proportions that look like my 559-wheeled bikes; his must have had 70 cm
>>> c-c seat tubes.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who hopes to do some overbiking* later today.
>>>
>>> * On 700C X 51 mm tires on flat sandy and gravelly terrain that has been
>>> compacted by recent rains.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
>>>
 Talk about underbiking. Wow! Thanks Patrick.

 You're correct. Grant did an interview with Jobst and published it in a
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[Patrick Moore]

Thank you! I look forward to re-reading it.

Do you, or does anyone else, recall when this was published?

Patrick

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> Patrick, attached is Grant's 1994 interview with Jobst Brandt, published
> in Rivendell Reader No. 6. (Asking forgiveness from Grant for reproducing
> without permission. Please don't sue me!).
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Rich: please do post the RR Jobst article, or a link to it, when you get
>> a chance. I'd like to see it again. Thanks.
>>
>> An aside: I find it rather amusing that Jobst's 700C bikes have
>> proportions that look like my 559-wheeled bikes; his must have had 70 cm
>> c-c seat tubes.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who hopes to do some overbiking* later today.
>>
>> * On 700C X 51 mm tires on flat sandy and gravelly terrain that has been
>> compacted by recent rains.
>>
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>>
>>> Talk about underbiking. Wow! Thanks Patrick.
>>>
>>> You're correct. Grant did an interview with Jobst and published it in a
>>> RR. Not able to post it until tonight or tomorrow, but will unless someone
>>> else beats me to it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: SKS B 65s or Velo Orange Zeppelins?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Andy. Actually, I may get PB's new (ish) aluminum 65s; we'll see.

https://www.planetbike.com/store/products/bike-accessories/bike-fenders/cascadia-alx-bike-fenders-1007.html

But these and the Zeps are tied for first place on the short list.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 4:41 PM, ascpgh  wrote:

> Get the Zeps. Their rigidity will please you in the long run. So will the
> hardware and stays.
>
> Andy cjheatham
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> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 7:15:00 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> For the Matthews, to replace the PB Cascadias, largely because the rear
>> Cascadia has a cutout for the chain, and thus doesn't protect the chain
>> from spray as well as if it did not.
>>
>> I'll want to amputate the front to avoid banging on roots and rocks, so
>> the shorter front B 56 is not a problem; I'll just install a long flap.
>>
>> And: If you recommend the VOs, I want black: will the anodizing be
>> scratched easily by thick brush or by the toes of my shoes swiping the
>> front? (Considerable TCO.)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[MartyG]

>
>
>
As promised. I'll ease into the build tomorrow, but wanted to savor the 
moment. New bike days like this are rare. You can see more, and watch the 
full build over here: 
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[RBW] Re: SKS B 65s or Velo Orange Zeppelins?

[ascpgh]

Get the Zeps. Their rigidity will please you in the long run. So will the 
hardware and stays. 

Andy cjheatham
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On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 7:15:00 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> For the Matthews, to replace the PB Cascadias, largely because the rear 
> Cascadia has a cutout for the chain, and thus doesn't protect the chain 
> from spray as well as if it did not.
>
> I'll want to amputate the front to avoid banging on roots and rocks, so 
> the shorter front B 56 is not a problem; I'll just install a long flap.
>
> And: If you recommend the VOs, I want black: will the anodizing be 
> scratched easily by thick brush or by the toes of my shoes swiping the 
> front? (Considerable TCO.)
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[R Shannon]

Peut etre mon ami!

Merci,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> 
> Actually, a writer named Earle Young did the interview (unless that’s a nom 
> de plume for Grant?).
> 
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>> On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
>> 
>> Patrick, attached is Grant's 1994 interview with Jobst Brandt, published in 
>> Rivendell Reader No. 6. (Asking forgiveness from Grant for reproducing 
>> without permission. Please don't sue me!).
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Richard
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>> Rich: please do post the RR Jobst article, or a link to it, when you get a 
>>> chance. I'd like to see it again. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> An aside: I find it rather amusing that Jobst's 700C bikes have proportions 
>>> that look like my 559-wheeled bikes; his must have had 70 cm c-c seat tubes.
>>> 
>>> Patrick Moore, who hopes to do some overbiking* later today.
>>> 
>>> * On 700C X 51 mm tires on flat sandy and gravelly terrain that has been 
>>> compacted by recent rains.
>>> 
 On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:02 AM, RichS  wrote:
 Talk about underbiking. Wow! Thanks Patrick.
 
 You're correct. Grant did an interview with Jobst and published it in a 
 RR. Not able to post it until tonight or tomorrow, but will unless someone 
 else beats me to it.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[Eric Norris]

Actually, a writer named Earle Young did the interview (unless that’s a nom de 
plume for Grant?).

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> On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
> 
> Patrick, attached is Grant's 1994 interview with Jobst Brandt, published in 
> Rivendell Reader No. 6. (Asking forgiveness from Grant for reproducing 
> without permission. Please don't sue me!).
> 
> Best regards,
> Richard
> 
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
> Rich: please do post the RR Jobst article, or a link to it, when you get a 
> chance. I'd like to see it again. Thanks.
> 
> An aside: I find it rather amusing that Jobst's 700C bikes have proportions 
> that look like my 559-wheeled bikes; his must have had 70 cm c-c seat tubes.
> 
> Patrick Moore, who hopes to do some overbiking* later today.
> 
> * On 700C X 51 mm tires on flat sandy and gravelly terrain that has been 
> compacted by recent rains.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:02 AM, RichS  > wrote:
> Talk about underbiking. Wow! Thanks Patrick.
> 
> You're correct. Grant did an interview with Jobst and published it in a RR. 
> Not able to post it until tonight or tomorrow, but will unless someone else 
> beats me to it.
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[RBW] Let it Begin! (Winter, that is)

[Paul in Dallas]

I really enjoyed seeing your pics Deacon.

Thanks for sharing them.

I think I'm seeing in the far background a bit  beyond those far trees 
an image of Gandalf blowing smoke rings in the shape of bicycles.


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Re: [RBW] FS: NIB Shutter Precision PV-8 Hub Dynamo

[Randall Rupp]

Sold

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, I've seen that profile photo; the relationship of frame to wheels
is larger than that of my 58 and 57 Rivs to their 24.75" actual 559 X Elk
Pass tires wheels.

What frame size c-c did he ride?

And does anyone know his typical gearing? IIRC, he used something like
50/47 in front with 6 in back but perhaps he modernized to 7 for this bike?

I agree that we mere mortals need smaller gears and bigger tires!

But at least Jobst and I are similar in that we both use the same, or very
similar, stems.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Here's a grainy set of pictures of what I believe was Jobst's last bike:
>
> http://bikecult.com/works/archive/04bicycles/pjohnsonJB04.html
>
> I go back to it sometimes as a great example of one mechanical engineers
> distillation of bicycle technology, as a guy who only "upgraded" when he
> believed that a new product offered real benefit for him as a rider.  To
> the untrained eye, it looks like just another Eroica-compliant vintage
> racing machine, but note:
>
> -Threadless headset (a Campy Record headset he actually de-threaded
> himself)(sorry Grant)
> -Suntour slant-parallelogram rear derailleur, but still friction DT
> shifters, I believe
> -Shimano DA 74xx series square taper cranks
> -I'm not 100% sure but I'm fairly certain he has a Shimano cassette hub
> back there too.
>
> It's also true that Jobst was a monster of a rider and had little need for
> low gears or higher leverage brakes (note the 70's era Campy SR brakes,
> albeit with Kool Stop pads), or tires wider than 28mm on any terrain.  Us
> mere mortals might benefit from some of those things.
>
> Oh and in terms of spoke count I also believe he always rode 36 spoke
> wheels, such that if he broke a spoke on a ride the rim deflection would be
> minimal, allowing him to open up his brake QR and ride home.
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 6:47:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> https://rayhosler.com/2017/09/04/jobst-brandt-tour-de-alps-2
>> 018-calendar-available-now/
>>
>>
>> Mine
>> came in the mail yesterday. IMO, they should have made it larger and used
>> glossier and heavier stock, but it's worth the dollars; the first photo of
>> Jobst's 1958 Cinelli is alone worth the price.
>>
>> We need to produce another, similar calendar for The Deacon. Patrick,
>> where's your Cinelli?
>>
>> Jobst really was 1 in a million; his uber underbiking really tickles my
>> fancy, though I'll never get anywhere near his mileage or the terrain he
>> rode.
>>
>> Resquiat in pacem.
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[RBW] Re: Let it Begin! (Winter, that is)

[George Schick]

Sorry about that.  I typed "Deak", but you know how these spell checkers 
are.  I suppose it's going to modify and "correct" this message, too, as I 
send it.  

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 1:56:59 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Well, George, the rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated. Grin. And 
> good call! Pre-bludgeoned brain I backcountry telemarked (it was just 
> called backcountry skiing then) and loved it. Vertigo doesn't play well 
> with sliding on snow. My theory as to why it plays with a bike is the 
> gyroscopic effect (or whatever it is) of the wheels/bike makes riding 
> possible. I do snowshoe.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 12:48:16 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Dead - you seem to have Nordic skiing and Telemarking written all over 
>> you.  Are you engaged in such Winter activities?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 4:05:08 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> In which seasons according to Pikes Peak are defined and a flake amidst 
>>> flakes pipes some flake.
>>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/let-it-begin
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.CredoFamily.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Let it Begin! (Winter, that is)

[Deacon Patrick]

Well, George, the rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated. Grin. And 
good call! Pre-bludgeoned brain I backcountry telemarked (it was just 
called backcountry skiing then) and loved it. Vertigo doesn't play well 
with sliding on snow. My theory as to why it plays with a bike is the 
gyroscopic effect (or whatever it is) of the wheels/bike makes riding 
possible. I do snowshoe.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Dead - you seem to have Nordic skiing and Telemarking written all over 
> you.  Are you engaged in such Winter activities?
>
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 4:05:08 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> In which seasons according to Pikes Peak are defined and a flake amidst 
>> flakes pipes some flake.
>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/let-it-begin
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
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[RBW] Michigan iBOB+Riv Meet-up This Saturday -- Last Call!

[Jack K]

Hi RBW-folk,

This will be my last post to the list about this event, so please take note 
listers from Michigan, Ohio and Windsor ...

The Michigan iBOB + Riv meet 'n greet is coming up this Saturday, Oct. 14. 
We'll have a short ride in the Ann Arbor area, followed by socializing at 
HOMES brewery. Please join us if you can! 

We'll meet at HOMES Brewery (*not* Sic Transit Cycles as first planned) at 
noon on Saturday, Oct. 14 for a casual (30-ish mile) ride, followed by food 
& drink. In case of rain the event will move inside HOMES for food, drink 
and comradery of fellow bike geeks. Feel free to join us for just the ride, 
just the socializing, or both, as your schedule allows. 

About the ride ... There's a lot of interest in a mixed gravel/paved route, 
but some of us prefer to stay on pavement. The plan is to offer both 
(30-ish mile) options and split into two groups, though route specifics are 
still being worked out. I'll be riding pavement, but I'm told the mixed 
pavement/gravel option is easily doable on a road bike with 30mm tires. 

*If you may be able to join us please contact me with your email address, 
so I can add you to the list for email updates.*

To recap:

*What:* Southeast MI iBOB + Riv Meet'n Greet
*When:* Saturday, Oct. 14 at noon
*Where:* HOMES Brewery, 2321 Jackson Ave., Ann Arbor 
*What You Need To Do:* Contact me (Jack) with your email address 

Cheers!

-Jack K.
Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: Let it Begin! (Winter, that is)

[George Schick]

Dead - you seem to have Nordic skiing and Telemarking written all over you. 
 Are you engaged in such Winter activities?


On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 4:05:08 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which seasons according to Pikes Peak are defined and a flake amidst 
> flakes pipes some flake.
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/let-it-begin
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Hunqapillar

[John]

Ask yourself how much you plan to put in your panniers? Riv says the load 
for the Big Front Rack is 30 lbs, and the Hub Area Rack is 7 lbs per 
pannier. Another question is how rough are the roads you plan to travel?
 
And you are limited to tires no larger than 52mm with the Big Front Rack, 
something I found out when I tried to fit the rack over 55mm Big Bens. 

John

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 8:14:38 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Greetings.
> I need a front rack suitable for loaded touring (i.e. for panniers) 
> that'll fit on my 54cm 700c Hunq.  I was assuming that the Nitto Big Front 
> Rack would be the way to go, but then I read a comment on the page 
> for Nitto's Mark's Hub Area rack that "Yes, this rack will work for newer 
> 700c Hunqapillars."  Is there an issue with Hunqs and Nitto front racks?  
> What are others using?
> Many thanks,
> Kevin Lindsey
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue 61 Rambouillet

[Jonathan Thomas]

Bump/Price drop $2000 to $1400

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 5:49:22 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Thomas wrote:
>
> Hi everyone - I'm selling my blue 61 Ram. I bought it from Pedal 
> Revolution in San Francisco in 2015 for $2150.  I've since replaced plenty 
> of parts - new cassette, chain, center chainring, crank arm, and bottom 
> bracket.
>
> 61 cm royal blue frame
> SON front hub with halogen headlight not sure of the light brand name
> Rim Type - Open Sport
> 35 Marathon Supremes, brand new (50 miles)
> Selle Anatomica saddle
> Soma drop bars with bar-end shifters
> Lugged stem not sure if it's Nitto or not
> Shimano 105 front derailer
> Rear Ultegra Shimano derailer
> Seat Post Nitto
> Crankset - 46/34/26
> Brake calipers
> Brake levers
>
> I've attached an example of the minimal paint damage.  And the front hub 
> has an ultra-minor dent that's noticeable during breaking, difficult to 
> even find.  
>
> I'm looking for $1400 for local pickup, wiling to ship at buyer's expense. 
>  
>
> Weekend test rides are good, as well as during the workday. I work 
> downtown in San Francisco. Please be sure to email me directly for any 
> questions djjo...@gmail.com
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> Jonathan
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue 61 Rambouillet

[Mark Benedetto]

Bump/price drop from $2000 to $1400

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 5:49:22 PM UTC-8, Jonathan Thomas wrote:
>
> Hi everyone - I'm selling my blue 61 Ram. I bought it from Pedal 
> Revolution in San Francisco in 2015 for $2150.  I've since replaced plenty 
> of parts - new cassette, chain, center chainring, crank arm, and bottom 
> bracket.
>
> 61 cm royal blue frame
> SON front hub with halogen headlight not sure of the light brand name
> Rim Type - Open Sport
> 35 Marathon Supremes, brand new (50 miles)
> Selle Anatomica saddle
> Soma drop bars with bar-end shifters
> Lugged stem not sure if it's Nitto or not
> Shimano 105 front derailer
> Rear Ultegra Shimano derailer
> Seat Post Nitto
> Crankset - 46/34/26
> Brake calipers
> Brake levers
>
> I've attached an example of the minimal paint damage.  And the front hub 
> has an ultra-minor dent that's noticeable during breaking, difficult to 
> even find.  
>
> I'm looking for $1400 for local pickup, wiling to ship at buyer's expense. 
>  
>
> Weekend test rides are good, as well as during the workday. I work 
> downtown in San Francisco. Please be sure to email me directly for any 
> questions djj...@gmail.com 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> Jonathan
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack for Hunqapillar

[Tim Gavin]

Kevin-

Do you want a top platform in addition to pannier capability?  If so, the
Nitto Big Front (34F) and Campee Classic (F20 et al) are excellent
choices.  The Surly front rack is another good option,but less expensive.

If you do not need a top platform, then the Nitto Hub Area racks are nice.
The Tubus Tara has similar capability but is less expensive.
You could always add a mini front rack (Nitto M12, for example) in addition
to the Nitto HAR or Tubus Tara.  Separate top and pannier racks seem less
integrated, but that allows you to use one or the other, or both, as
required for your load.

Nitto racks are well-constructed and have excellent finish.  They use
narrower tubing that has a more classic appearance.  Tubus racks use more
oversize tubing and they have a more modern appearance.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:47 AM, drew  wrote:

> I've had a big front rack, a campee rack with the detachable lowriders and
> now a pass/stow 3 bar rack on my 54cm hunqapillar. all worked well and the
> setup was fairly easy. the big front uses p-clamps, but you can get around
> that with some really short struts and a little bending.
>
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[RBW] Re: Let it Begin! (Winter, that is)

[Deacon Patrick]

Yes, Andy, the jacket is Hilltrek cotton analogy. No laminate or coating, 
but an inner liner that mimics the capilary action of animal fur, taking 
moisture (vapor AND liquid) to the outer layer of ventile where it 
evaporates. Works stunningly well. Best jacket I've ever 
had. http://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/foinaven-smock/

Combined with the fishnet long johns once temps get to the "wet and cold" 
danger zone and below into the frigid zone, moisture management (and thus 
heat management) has never been simpler. Wonderful system.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 9:47:16 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Beautiful, peaceful.  
>
> Just ahead of us out east by enough time to dust off the residual needs 
> put to rest last spring when temperatures moderated. Patrick, is that 
> jacket a Hilltrek? I'm interested. I'm no longer impressed with laminates 
> and coatings. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:05:08 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> In which seasons according to Pikes Peak are defined and a flake amidst 
>> flakes pipes some flake.
>> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/let-it-begin
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Hunqapillar

[drew]

I've had a big front rack, a campee rack with the detachable lowriders and 
now a pass/stow 3 bar rack on my 54cm hunqapillar. all worked well and the 
setup was fairly easy. the big front uses p-clamps, but you can get around 
that with some really short struts and a little bending. 

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[RBW] Re: Let it Begin! (Winter, that is)

[ascpgh]

Beautiful, peaceful.  

Just ahead of us out east by enough time to dust off the residual needs put 
to rest last spring when temperatures moderated. Patrick, is that jacket a 
Hilltrek? I'm interested. I'm no longer impressed with laminates and 
coatings. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 5:05:08 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which seasons according to Pikes Peak are defined and a flake amidst 
> flakes pipes some flake.
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/let-it-begin
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Front Rack for Hunqapillar

[Bill Lindsay]

The issue between Hunqapillars and Hub Area Racks was that the mid fork braze 
on was too far away from the fork tip to allow the Hub Area Rack to fit.  

There’s no issue with your 790c Hunqapillar and a Big Front Rack.  The Big 
Front is a good choice.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA -Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

Nice bike! It looks great, and the build looks meticulous.
Gray Rivendells are beautiful. I've wanted one since I saw Mark Abele's bikes.

Philip
www.biketinker.com
Santa Rosa, CA (less fiery today)

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[RBW] Re: Jobst Alp rides calendar

[Jeremy Till]

Here's a grainy set of pictures of what I believe was Jobst's last bike: 

http://bikecult.com/works/archive/04bicycles/pjohnsonJB04.html

I go back to it sometimes as a great example of one mechanical engineers 
distillation of bicycle technology, as a guy who only "upgraded" when he 
believed that a new product offered real benefit for him as a rider.  To 
the untrained eye, it looks like just another Eroica-compliant vintage 
racing machine, but note: 

-Threadless headset (a Campy Record headset he actually de-threaded 
himself)(sorry Grant)
-Suntour slant-parallelogram rear derailleur, but still friction DT 
shifters, I believe
-Shimano DA 74xx series square taper cranks
-I'm not 100% sure but I'm fairly certain he has a Shimano cassette hub 
back there too.  

It's also true that Jobst was a monster of a rider and had little need for 
low gears or higher leverage brakes (note the 70's era Campy SR brakes, 
albeit with Kool Stop pads), or tires wider than 28mm on any terrain.  Us 
mere mortals might benefit from some of those things.  

Oh and in terms of spoke count I also believe he always rode 36 spoke 
wheels, such that if he broke a spoke on a ride the rim deflection would be 
minimal, allowing him to open up his brake QR and ride home.  

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 6:47:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> https://rayhosler.com/2017/09/04/jobst-brandt-tour-de-alps-2018-calendar-available-now/
>
>
> Mine
>  
> came in the mail yesterday. IMO, they should have made it larger and used 
> glossier and heavier stock, but it's worth the dollars; the first photo of 
> Jobst's 1958 Cinelli is alone worth the price.
>
> We need to produce another, similar calendar for The Deacon. Patrick, 
> where's your Cinelli?
>
> Jobst really was 1 in a million; his uber underbiking really tickles my 
> fancy, though I'll never get anywhere near his mileage or the terrain he 
> rode. 
>
> Resquiat in pacem.
>
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[RBW] Front Rack for Hunqapillar

[Kevin Lindsey]

Greetings.
I need a front rack suitable for loaded touring (i.e. for panniers) that'll 
fit on my 54cm 700c Hunq.  I was assuming that the Nitto Big Front Rack 
would be the way to go, but then I read a comment on the page for Nitto's 
Mark's Hub Area rack that "Yes, this rack will work for newer 700c 
Hunqapillars."  Is there an issue with Hunqs and Nitto front racks?  What 
are others using?
Many thanks,
Kevin Lindsey

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[RBW] WTT/WTB: Nitto Tallux Stem 13cm, 25.4mm

[David B]

Thought I'd try a swap here before ordering from Riv.

I'd like a Nitto Tallux stem, 13cm reach, 25.4mm clamp. This size seems to 
be a Riv exclusive.
I'm leaning more towards a trade, but can buy outright as well. 

I have to trade:
Nitto Tallux Stem - 10cm reach, 25.4mm clamp, used nice condition
Nitto Technomic Standard - 225mm version, 10cm reach, 26.0mm clamp, new
Tektro MTB Brake Levers - cantilever/sidepull - black, new
Anything in inventory at treetop.bigcartel.com - canvas bags, leather goods 
(wallets/notebook cases/&c.), Willow chainrings

Contact off-list if you're interested in a trade.
Thanks,
David
River Grove, IL

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Cheviot 55cm

[Dan McNamara]

I have a complete that I need to move on - I'll send you pics and details off 
list. 

Dan

> On Oct 9, 2017, at 11:01 PM, Brencho  wrote:
> 
> hey gang, anyone have a 55cm cheviot that they want to move to greener 
> pastures? looking for a kid hauler for my wife (and yeah sure sometimes me 
> too), and a 55 cheviut would sure hit the spot. frame or complete bike both 
> good!
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Cheviot 55cm

[Belopsky]

maybe this is still available

*https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/55cm%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/gjSbrTi-pdc/BVg9DgT3AQAJ*
On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 2:01:09 AM UTC-4, Brencho wrote:
>
> hey gang, anyone have a 55cm cheviot that they want to move to greener 
> pastures? looking for a kid hauler for my wife (and yeah sure sometimes me 
> too), and a 55 cheviut would sure hit the spot. frame or complete bike both 
> good!
>

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