Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow, he really is fluffy and adorable! There is something disarming about 
seeing a dog taking a ride on a bike.
Is the dog content to reliably stay in the basket or pannier?

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Sackville Banana Sax

[Tim Bantham]

I am looking for feedback on Rivendell's new Banana Sax bag. If you have 
one and have had some experience using it I would be interested in hearing 
about it's overall usefulness What have you been able to fit in the bag 
etc. I am trying to keep bags and racks on my Sam to a minimum but still 
would like to have a useful bag for carrying my phone, tools, gloves and 
maybe even a light jacket.  

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 90mm Nitto stem 25.4 or 26mm

[MartyG]

Confirmed. I have a 90 X 25.4 Technomic. PM me and we can make it happen. 

Marty

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[RBW] Supple 650b x 42s on a Homer under Longboards

[Call Me Jay]

As a follow up to my post on the Facebook page, has anyone else had luck with 
this set-up:  42s on Altas rims under Longboards with Racer brakes.  Rebadged 
Pari Motos appear to fit.  Would Compass 42s? Or maybe Compass 38s since I’ve 
read that they run big?

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Doug H.]

Cute! And, the dog isn't bad either... ;-)

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> How can I deny you this? Of course I can’t! 
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> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 2:11:39 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
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>>  Add a fluffy, adorable dog in the basket and people just swoon.
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>> Pics! Or it never happened. Would love to see the little guy.
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[RBW] Sackville Banana Sax

[Jonathan D.]

Bought one from Rivelo yesterday. Seems like a perfect size for a light ride. 
Size seems between an XS and Small Saddlesack. They still had a few at Rivelo. 

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[nash5510]

Oh, like a road bike.  

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Patrick Moore]

I'll let Rivendell use the name for a new model, as long as it looks like
my '99 Joe. ("Joe" is also slang shorthand, not a model name.)

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> “Gofast” is a slang term for a light, stripped-down road bike. It’s
> shorthand to avoid people saying, “What that bike needs is fenders and a
> basket!”
> Be a great model name along the lines of the Roadeo and Roadini, though.
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[RBW] Experiences with Clem L or H

[masmojo]

I think I have to agree with Joe, I have a Clementine  (Clem L) & I have never 
had a problem riding it whatever distance, BUT would it be a suitable choice 
for 100 miles or multi day ride!? No, I  don't think so. Sure you could do it & 
if you had one; I wouldn't discourage you from trying; now on the other hand if 
you were buying a new bike just for such a purpose then I'd suggest to the Joe 
Appaloosa. The Clem is heavy & big and under my 240lbs pretty flexy. I love it 
for going to the grocery store or slow meandering. 
It climbs OK, but you definitely feel the heft of it; on the other hand my 
Atlantis makes light of any sort of uphill & makes climbing hills as close to 
fun as is possible I guess. 
The difference in speed is really negligible, but noticeable. Example on my 
14mile commute home from work I might average 10.9mph on the Atlantis, but only 
10.4 on the Clementine, but over 14 miles it adds up! No problem if you are not 
in a hurry, but when it's really cold or Hot outside, its nice to be able to 
trim the time if necessary.

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[RBW] Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[RichS]

Bill,

Your ride and report - well done! 

While I’ve never done a 200k brevet I can relate to how you felt while riding 
your Sam. Mine makes me feel the same way. That synchronicity between bike and 
rider is truly special. Something I realize mainly from the SH.

Best regards,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Toshi Takeuchi]

It was a great day on the bike.  I also felt strong, and it was the first
time in my life that it felt like I had a tailwind all day. (It's usually
the opposite!). I decided to ride my Roadeo because I didn't need lights
for this ride and could enjoy riding unencumbered.  For the 200k, I usually
ride with my buddy and do an eating tour, but he had to cancel out the last
minute, so I thought I would ride quickly (for me) and efficiently, because
I had to go to dinner with my wife later that evening.   I ended up with my
best time ever for a 200k by a couple hours!!

The Roadeo felt great, but my climbing legs were pooped by the end.
Mountain-biking Bill looked fresh and strong on those last climbs!

I'll probably ride my custom on the 300k and take it slower, but am looking
to enjoy it.

At the finish, Rivs were well represented.  There was an AHH, 2 Sams
(including Bill's) and my Roadeo.

Toshi

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[RBW] Experiences with Clem L or H

[Joe Bernard]

I think it helps to remember what the Clems are supposed to be, which is a "buy 
one new" version of all the '80s/'90s rigid mountain bikes littering Craigslist 
that we buy for cheap, then end up spending WAY more than we'd planned to turn 
them into functional town crawlers. It's great for that and great for pounding 
some trails, it just wouldn't be my first choice for longish road rides if my 
wallet was choosing a new Riv to buy today. 

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[nash5510]

Maybe Joefast.

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Patrick Moore]

There ya go!

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[RBW] It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Deacon Patrick]

Jan’s exploration of cycling myth #5, higher handlebars are more comfortable, 
sure matches my experience single speeding (free or fixed), where changing 
positions relates to only one thing because there is only one gear: power 
output. On steep climbs, I tuck until I stand. Otherwise, upright is fine.
https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/02/12/myth-5-an-upright-position-is-more-comfortable/

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Chris in Redding, Ca.]

Hey All,
That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike 
frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less 
than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown road 
fork it is over six pounds. 

Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Patrick Moore]

I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and
figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I
exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and
said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing
on a similar build of his own.

But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty darned
good in my book.

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> Hey All,
> That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike
> frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less
> than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown road
> fork it is over six pounds.
>
> Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Bill Lindsay]

What wall thicknesses were used on your custom?  What thinner wall 
thicknesses would Chauncey have used?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and 
> figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I 
> exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and 
> said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing 
> on a similar build of his own.
>
> But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty darned 
> good in my book.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Chris in Redding, Ca. <
> campr...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>> That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike 
>> frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less 
>> than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown road 
>> fork it is over six pounds. 
>>
>> Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Patrick Moore]

The effect of the hip-to-torso angle on power or ability to produce torque
is one very big reason I prefer drop bars, with their variety of hand
positions which in turn allow a variety of torso angles. It's also why I
like my Flites (original model) with their long body that gives a
comfortable platform (for my ass, anyway), from waaay back while grinding
up a hill to "on the rivet" for trying to keep up with a tailwind.

I really noticed the effect of bending over on power when I started riding
fixed pretty exclusively; turn into a headwind or come to a long rise, and
you can't (obviously) gear down; you have to increase power. And "falling"
into the hooks naturally gives you that little bit of additional power, as
does shoving back in the saddle and bending your elbows if you are riding
on the ramps. I daresay that the Albastache allows you to do the same.

My own personal favorite bar for this sort of variety is the Maes Parallel
-- shallowish drop but long ramps.

"Tuck until you stand." That fits my experience.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Jan’s exploration of cycling myth #5, higher handlebars are more
> comfortable, sure matches my experience single speeding (free or fixed),
> where changing positions relates to only one thing because there is only
> one gear: power output. On steep climbs, I tuck until I stand. Otherwise,
> upright is fine.
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/02/12/myth-5-an-
> upright-position-is-more-comfortable/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Patrick Moore]

I don't know, I'm afraid. I think that the specs for my customs ('99 and
'03) have been lost and, at any rate, I never asked. Chauncey could tell
me, I'm sure, but I haven't asked. FWIW, he used Tange heat treated
thinwall road tubing for the "road bike for dirt."

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> What wall thicknesses were used on your custom?  What thinner wall
> thicknesses would Chauncey have used?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and
>> figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I
>> exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and
>> said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing
>> on a similar build of his own.
>>
>> But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty darned
>> good in my book.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Chris in Redding, Ca. <
>> campr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All,
>>> That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike
>>> frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less
>>> than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown road
>>> fork it is over six pounds.
>>>
>>> Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
>>> Chris
>>>
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Re: [RBW] It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[George Schick]

Amen.  These are some the main reasons why I always have had drop bars on 
my road bikes.  The body position while pedaling seems to let you put you 
back into the pedal stroke as well as the legs.  Plus, as you say, there is 
the versatility of having multiple hand positions on the bars.

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 12:02:42 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The effect of the hip-to-torso angle on power or ability to produce torque 
> is one very big reason I prefer drop bars, with their variety of hand 
> positions which in turn allow a variety of torso angles. It's also why I 
> like my Flites (original model) with their long body that gives a 
> comfortable platform (for my ass, anyway), from waaay back while grinding 
> up a hill to "on the rivet" for trying to keep up with a tailwind.
>
> I really noticed the effect of bending over on power when I started riding 
> fixed pretty exclusively; turn into a headwind or come to a long rise, and 
> you can't (obviously) gear down; you have to increase power. And "falling" 
> into the hooks naturally gives you that little bit of additional power, as 
> does shoving back in the saddle and bending your elbows if you are riding 
> on the ramps. I daresay that the Albastache allows you to do the same.
>
> My own personal favorite bar for this sort of variety is the Maes Parallel 
> -- shallowish drop but long ramps.
>
> "Tuck until you stand." That fits my experience.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Jan’s exploration of cycling myth #5, higher handlebars are more 
>> comfortable, sure matches my experience single speeding (free or fixed), 
>> where changing positions relates to only one thing because there is only 
>> one gear: power output. On steep climbs, I tuck until I stand. Otherwise, 
>> upright is fine.
>>
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/02/12/myth-5-an-upright-position-is-more-comfortable/
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: 29 x 2.3-2.5 Knobby Tire & Rim Recommendations for Clem.

[Jon BALER]

I enjoy my Surly Extraterrestrial 29 x 2.5 tires for mixed surface riding.  
They are heavy on the scale, but roll very well.  I use them on mixed 
surfaces with non-technical singletrack (e.g. MoCo trails here in 
Maryland).  Since they don't have tall knobs, they'll fit in most 29er 
frames.  I have ran them in Salsa Fargo Gen 1 and Velo Orange Piolet.

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Bill Lindsay]

Oh, OK.  That not-knowing is what I normally expect from you.  You are 
traditionally much more of a fit/handling/feel person, not a wall-thickness 
fretter.  I was kind of surprised you brought up wall thicknesses at all, 
as it's normally not your thing.  There are lots of folks on the boards 
that you and I frequent who claim to be able to tell the difference between 
7/4/7 and 8/5/8 and insist to know the butt-lengths and taper-lengths on 
every tube.  I think people like you and I are a little bit skeptical that 
those folks really can feel the differences to the level of precision that 
they insist on knowing.  I asked for the details because normally I 
wouldn't expect you to bring up wall-thickness at all.  Carry on.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 10:06:04 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't know, I'm afraid. I think that the specs for my customs ('99 and 
> '03) have been lost and, at any rate, I never asked. Chauncey could tell 
> me, I'm sure, but I haven't asked. FWIW, he used Tange heat treated 
> thinwall road tubing for the "road bike for dirt."
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> What wall thicknesses were used on your custom?  What thinner wall 
>> thicknesses would Chauncey have used?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and 
>>> figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I 
>>> exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and 
>>> said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing 
>>> on a similar build of his own.
>>>
>>> But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty darned 
>>> good in my book.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:43 AM, Chris in Redding, Ca. <
>>> campr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hey All,
 That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike 
 frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less 
 than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown 
 road 
 fork it is over six pounds. 

 Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
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[RBW] WTB - Compass 700C x 32 Stampede Pass, Standard

[Jon BALER]

Anybody have an extra pair of Compass 700C x 32 Stampede Pass, Standard 
casing that they are looking to sell?

thanks in advance

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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Patrick Moore]

The sole reason I picked up on Chauncey's remark is that, if I ever get him
to build me a road bike, it's likely to be even lighter than 6.0 f/f. You
are right, I generally focus on how a bike feels and only then, if at all,
move further to find out what tubing or trail or what have you causes that.

But I wholeheartedly retain the option of adding tubing wall thickness to
my list of things to fret about.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Oh, OK.  That not-knowing is what I normally expect from you.  You are
> traditionally much more of a fit/handling/feel person, not a wall-thickness
> fretter.  I was kind of surprised you brought up wall thicknesses at all,
> as it's normally not your thing.  There are lots of folks on the boards
> that you and I frequent who claim to be able to tell the difference between
> 7/4/7 and 8/5/8 and insist to know the butt-lengths and taper-lengths on
> every tube.  I think people like you and I are a little bit skeptical that
> those folks really can feel the differences to the level of precision that
> they insist on knowing.  I asked for the details because normally I
> wouldn't expect you to bring up wall-thickness at all.  Carry on.
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 10:06:04 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I don't know, I'm afraid. I think that the specs for my customs ('99 and
>> '03) have been lost and, at any rate, I never asked. Chauncey could tell
>> me, I'm sure, but I haven't asked. FWIW, he used Tange heat treated
>> thinwall road tubing for the "road bike for dirt."
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> What wall thicknesses were used on your custom?  What thinner wall
>>> thicknesses would Chauncey have used?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I was talking to Chauncey on Sat, who picked up (literally and
 figuratively) the '99 Joefast for the before-described alterations. I
 exclaimed proudly, "6 lb even frame and fork!" He judiciously nodded and
 said, "Not bad for a Rivendell." Upshot, he would use thinner wall tubing
 on a similar build of his own.

 But I know that this Joefast won't break, and 6 lb even is pretty
 darned good in my book.

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 campr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey All,
> That is impressive. With no emphasis on weight I ordered a road bike
> frameset from Soulcraft. With the supplied full carbon fork it weighs less
> than the six pound mark. But with the also supplied Soulcraft unicrown 
> road
> fork it is over six pounds.
>
> Chiming in from Redding, Ca.
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[Bill Lindsay]

Equal opportunity fretting!  "To wring hands or not to wring hands: THAT is 
the question!"

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 10:41:39 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The sole reason I picked up on Chauncey's remark is that, if I ever get 
> him to build me a road bike, it's likely to be even lighter than 6.0 f/f. 
> You are right, I generally focus on how a bike feels and only then, if at 
> all, move further to find out what tubing or trail or what have you causes 
> that. 
>
> But I wholeheartedly retain the option of adding tubing wall thickness to 
> my list of things to fret about.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: ISO cantilever Sam Hillborne 55/56cm

[Belopsky]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ogX1fPdEl10

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 2:46:31 AM UTC-5, John W wrote:
>
> Shaking the tree. I've been having trouble finding a Riv in my size. I'm 
> now looking for a Sam 55/56cm frameset or a full build. Please hit me up if 
> you have something that you're selling.
>
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

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Re: [RBW] Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Bill Lindsay]

A couple hours off your best time!  That's pretty major.  I was happy to 
shave a few minutes.  It will be a little challenging for me to find a 
300.  Both the Davis and the SFR ones are on High School Race Days, which I 
can't miss.  The SLO one is really soon (2/18).  That might leave me with 
the Santa Cruz event on April 7.  

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 8:24:14 AM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote:
>
> It was a great day on the bike.  I also felt strong, and it was the first 
> time in my life that it felt like I had a tailwind all day. (It's usually 
> the opposite!). I decided to ride my Roadeo because I didn't need lights 
> for this ride and could enjoy riding unencumbered.  For the 200k, I usually 
> ride with my buddy and do an eating tour, but he had to cancel out the last 
> minute, so I thought I would ride quickly (for me) and efficiently, because 
> I had to go to dinner with my wife later that evening.   I ended up with my 
> best time ever for a 200k by a couple hours!!  
>
> The Roadeo felt great, but my climbing legs were pooped by the end.  
> Mountain-biking Bill looked fresh and strong on those last climbs!
>
> I'll probably ride my custom on the 300k and take it slower, but am 
> looking to enjoy it.  
>
> At the finish, Rivs were well represented.  There was an AHH, 2 Sams 
> (including Bill's) and my Roadeo.  
>
> Toshi
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[RBW] Re: FS: Merino wool LS jerseys, black, L, each $55 shipped (each) CONUS

[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to add: these wash up just fine with Kookabura in the machine on the
"Delicates" setting; no shrinkage or felting.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Nice, soft mid-weight merino wool, black. Washed enough times that the
> labels have faded, but the material is still pretty much like new.
>
> No holes, snagged threads, fraying.
>
> 22" pit-to-pit; 28" bottom of collar seam to bottom of rear; 22" sleeve,
> pit to end of cuff. Fit me trimly but not tightly at 5'10", 175, 6-footer's
> torso gauged by Anglo standards.
>
> Why sell? Me, I'm buying another Wabi Woolen which has a higher collar.
>
> Buyem both for $100 shipped CONUS.
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[RBW] Re: 29 x 2.3-2.5 Knobby Tire & Rim Recommendations for Clem.

[tc]

Thanks Keith.  I ended up ordering a pair of 2.35 Vittoria Mezcal's, the 
"TNT" version (Tubes or No Tubes).  Great reviews re: bite, transition from 
center to edge transition on turns, rolling resistance, puncture 
resistance, and relative quiet on pavement.  Not too heavy, either.  Once I 
have the bike and have mounted and tested them I'll post a report...that 
may be a couple of weeks off though.

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>
> Tom - regarding the 2x chainring wide/low configuration:  It's not a 
> problem at all - you just might need a longer bb spindle
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[RBW] Re: Two gear question

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Shouldn't be an issue but depending on the length of the forward facing 
horizontals, your chosen chainring(s)/gearing and required chain length you 
may need to make some slight adjustments to get things to line up 
properly.  

I ran into a problem on one frame when the dropouts had enough room for a 2 
or 3 tooth cog difference with single chainring but I needed one of those 
short half-links to get the chain length just right to make use of both 
cogs possible... in that particular scenario my chainring selection was 
limited so my only option was adjust chain length, stick with one cog in 
back, or file the dropouts a little longer.  Should you experience similar 
challenges you may have an easier time just going + or - a tooth with the 
chainring. 

Brian Cole
Lawrence, NJ

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> Can the rear dropout be facing forward to run two single cigs and still 
> allow the chain to be moved by hand? 

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Re: [RBW] Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Tony DeFilippo]

Stirring ride report Bill!  Congrats.  Sounds like all those miles this summer 
resulted in a well tuned rider and ride.

The orange paint has to subtract at least 5lbs from the bike right?!?

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Tom Horton]

hi nancy, I've ridden those hilly baltimore valleys a good deal, on a 
custom titanium serotta and on a fendered, touring racked big (68cm) 
atlantis, and the difference isn't as much as you'd think. last year we 
encountered some hills in quebec that were defeating my sixtyish band of 
cyclists and we took our bags off and stashed them in the woods, shedding 
maybe 15-20 pounds; and again it just didn't help that much. my point I 
guess is that weight doesn't matter as much as we think. just got a 64 cm 
clem L and maybe in next month or two I can report how that manages in 
baltimore county. strongly suspect any failings will be the rider, not the 
clem.  tom horton

On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 5:56:42 PM UTC-5, Nancy Seibel wrote:
>
> Hi, there, I'm seriously thinking of buying a Clem L (I know...that's how 
> it starts) and wanted to hear from those of you have ridden this bike. What 
> do you like about it? Any dislikes? How is it on hilly routes? What about 
> long rides - defined as 30-60+ miles?
>
> I test rode one for a short spin around town and loved it. But would I 
> Iove it in hilly Baltimore County MD, on a century or out for a multi-day 
> tour?
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments!
>

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[RBW] 26” wheelset and RTP

[Andrew Gammon]

Hey folks

Looking for a set of decent quality 130 rear spaced 7 speed wheels. Let me know 
if you have anything collecting dust at home. 

Also looking for a set of tan wall RTP. 

Cheers! 

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Re: [RBW] It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[EasyRider]

Agree that having multiple hand positions -- including an upright one -- is 
the key to comfort across a range of riding conditions. That said -- higher 
handlebars ARE more comfortable ... IF ones power output isn't very great, 
or must be moderated to suit conditions like riding in stop and go city 
traffic.

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 1:15:24 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Amen.  These are some the main reasons why I always have had drop bars on 
> my road bikes.  The body position while pedaling seems to let you put you 
> back into the pedal stroke as well as the legs.  Plus, as you say, there is 
> the versatility of having multiple hand positions on the bars.
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 12:02:42 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The effect of the hip-to-torso angle on power or ability to produce 
>> torque is one very big reason I prefer drop bars, with their variety of 
>> hand positions which in turn allow a variety of torso angles. It's also why 
>> I like my Flites (original model) with their long body that gives a 
>> comfortable platform (for my ass, anyway), from waaay back while grinding 
>> up a hill to "on the rivet" for trying to keep up with a tailwind.
>>
>> I really noticed the effect of bending over on power when I started 
>> riding fixed pretty exclusively; turn into a headwind or come to a long 
>> rise, and you can't (obviously) gear down; you have to increase power. And 
>> "falling" into the hooks naturally gives you that little bit of additional 
>> power, as does shoving back in the saddle and bending your elbows if you 
>> are riding on the ramps. I daresay that the Albastache allows you to do the 
>> same.
>>
>> My own personal favorite bar for this sort of variety is the Maes 
>> Parallel -- shallowish drop but long ramps.
>>
>> "Tuck until you stand." That fits my experience.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Deacon Patrick  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jan’s exploration of cycling myth #5, higher handlebars are more 
>>> comfortable, sure matches my experience single speeding (free or fixed), 
>>> where changing positions relates to only one thing because there is only 
>>> one gear: power output. On steep climbs, I tuck until I stand. Otherwise, 
>>> upright is fine.
>>>
>>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/02/12/myth-5-an-upright-position-is-more-comfortable/
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.CredoFamily.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Bill Lindsay]

Watching the Winter Olympics, the Norwegian speedskaters switched to blue 
suits (from red), claiming they are the fastest color.  Duh, the Dutch 
dominate speedskating.  Why?  ORANGE!

Science!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 12:13:35 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Stirring ride report Bill!  Congrats.  Sounds like all those miles this 
> summer resulted in a well tuned rider and ride.
>
> The orange paint has to subtract at least 5lbs from the bike right?!?
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Re: [RBW] Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Ian A]

QED

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 1:43:50 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Watching the Winter Olympics, the Norwegian speedskaters switched to blue 
> suits (from red), claiming they are the fastest color.  Duh, the Dutch 
> dominate speedskating.  Why?  ORANGE!
>
> Science!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 12:13:35 PM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Stirring ride report Bill!  Congrats.  Sounds like all those miles this 
>> summer resulted in a well tuned rider and ride.
>>
>> The orange paint has to subtract at least 5lbs from the bike right?!?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Phil Wood BBs - great for Atlantis

[Mark Reimer]

Update:

SKF bearing BB, cups and mud guards are sold. 

Second BB with original bearings, no mounting rings, still available

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 10:48:33 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have two Phil Wood bottom brackets for sale. I used these in my Atlantis 
> with White Industries VBC road cranks and 44/30 chain rings. I sold the 
> Atlantis last year and my new frame uses a 110mm, so these aren't needed 
> anymore.
>
> One of them had the bearings replaced with SKF sealed bearings. These have 
> much less resistance than Phil bearings, and feel great. Lots of life left. 
> 119mm JIS steel bb.
>
>
> The second still has the original Phil bearings and is also in great 
> shape, come in original packaging. I bought this one to try on my Crust DFL 
> but it was too short, so it has zero miles but was mounted once. 119mm JIS 
> steel bb. 
>
> I have a set of English steel retainer rings and red mud guards, which 
> show some wear. 
>
> I'm open to combining all these things into one sale, or selling the BB's 
> individually. I don't want to sell just the rings on their own if possible.
>
> $140 new - $100 for the BB with phil bearings, $80 for the SKF BB. I'll 
> add the rings and mudguards for $10 with the purchase of a BB. Or you can 
> buy the entire lot for $160 - two BBs, rings and mud guards. 
>
> Shipping extra!
>

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[RBW] Gofast f/f: 6.0 lb even!

[truegolden]

Not bad indeed Patrick!

 

I expect you will be glad to get it back on the road soon.

It makes me recall my Joe Starck built Riv Road bike from the same year.

 

I called it my triple Joe as it was built by Joe , painted by Joe Bell

and  had wheels built by master wheelbuilder Joe Young with Phil hubs.

I wish I had that one back.

 

Speaking of steel frame weights I recently built up a 1980 Centurion Semi Pro

and the 23.5” frame weighed 4.65 and the fork 1.70 for 6.35 lbs total.

Your Joefast is under that one by about 1/3 lb.

 

Makes me wonder what my old Riv Road weighed.

It was a 61 or 62 cm I think and a heavier seat tube

so probably in the range of my Semi Pro.

 

Of course I also am more interested in how a bike rides than saving  a few 
ounces of weight.

 

That said, reading the thread on a sub 20 lb Roadeo got me thinking of dropping 
the weight on one of my bikes

to just 22 lbs. The Centurion is currently at right at 24 I think.

 

Safe pedaling,

 

Paul in Dallas



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[RBW] Re: 29 x 2.3-2.5 Knobby Tire & Rim Recommendations for Clem.

[Dave Grossman]

I ride the very same DPRT on my Jones with 2.3 Big Ones on Duallys.  
Love it.  I also ride it on my Pug.

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[RBW] Does anybody own a new 59cm / 650b Atlantis?

[Glenn's Bike Garage]

I have a 59cm 650b Atlantis that isn't completely built yet. Don't have photos, 
but would be glad to take some measurements for you. Paul

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[RBW] WTB: compass RTP

[Andrew Gammon]

Looking for a set of gumwall RTP. Regular or EL. 

Cheers 

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Nitto Noodle for Nitto Bosco

[KenD]

Sold. Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Two gear question

[Justin, Oakland]

I definitely think that rear-facing track ends allow easier removal and 
installation of fat rubber. In fact I can't see a way in which that isn't 
the case unless one is referring to the process with fenders.Which changes 
the equation.

-J

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 1:24:57 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I have always had the opposite experience, where fat tires exit the frame 
> more easily with track ends. I had to whack the 40mm inflated tire pretty 
> hard to pop the wheel past the kickstand plate on the Ross yesterday. Could 
> be the small sample size of my singlespeeds, though. 
>
> I hook the chain over the dropout whichever direction the wheel comes out, 
> so it doesn’t drag on the ground, or get forgotten when the wheel goes back 
> in. It takes a good deal less than five seconds, but does grimy-up the 
> digit. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>
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[RBW] Re: Does anybody own a new 59cm / 650b Atlantis?

[iamkeith]

So I'm not sure what happened with the delay in the public message here, 
but Paul was nice enough to respond and we finished this conversation by 
PM.  Just wanted to say though that, for anyone considering this, you 
should take a good hard look.  His bike is gorgeous and, as I told Paul, 
it's almost game changing for me.  Not that I had the money, but I wish I'd 
looked into it before the recent price hike.

This is the missing size that I'd squawked about wanting forever!  There 
are some anomalies in the geometry chart, which is what I was trying to 
figure out and is why i posted.  The standover height is NOT taller than 
the old 61.  (I'm not sure why the bottom bracket reads as being lower than 
the 559 or 622 versions though.)  However, because of the smaller wheel and 
other geometry changes, Paul reports that tco also does NOT exist.

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 2:18:24 PM UTC-7, Glenn's Bike Garage wrote:
>
> I have a 59cm 650b Atlantis that isn't completely built yet. Don't have 
> photos, but would be glad to take some measurements for you. Paul

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[RBW] Re: Albastache (or Moustache) Brake Lever Positions

[Maxwell H]

Really appreciate all of the thoughtful replies here thus far.  I think I 
need to try a few things out.  First I need to figure out if raising the 
height and reducing the reach is going to work out as I'm hoping (and won't 
just get balance further out of whack).  I'm going to do that with a higher 
angle/shorter stem first (from a 110mm @ +17deg to an 80mm @ +40deg), that, 
coupled with one more spacer should bring the Noodle back 2" closer and 
1.5" higher.  Then I'm going to go back to looking at bars.  

I had a nice chat with Roman at Rivendell today.  He confirmed that drop 
brake levers will only work on the curves...that's just how drop brakes 
work, and it makes sense now that I think about it.  So depending upon what 
I end up deciding to do, bar-wise, I'll likely either stick with my current 
bar end shifters and roadie brakes on an Albastache *OR* I'll just go 
full-blown swept back and go with an Albatross, bar end shifters, and some 
cheapie Tektro mtb levers.  

I must admit . . . I do kinda like Jeremy's setup with the reverse levers 
and thumbies for shifting though.  Something to think about!


Maxwell


On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 12:10:34 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> For my commuter bike I'm very, very happy with Albastache bars with 
> reverse levers and the (single) shifter a shortened Silver with a rubber 
> cap on the end, mounted on a VO thumbie mount. I have some stoker knobs 
> mounted on the curves where people usually mount their road brake levers, 
> but honestly, I basically never use them. I like this handlebar setup 
> enough that I'm tempted to duplicate it minus the shifter on my incoming 
> Frank Jones Sr, though I try not to duplicate handlebars among my bikes. 
> This setup gives a few really nice features:
>
> 1. The position in which you brake most is the least aggressive position 
> the bar offers. There's no feeling like you're going to go over the bars if 
> you hit the brakes hard.
> 2. At least three really nice hand positions: all the way back for 
> starting/stopping/climbing, hands forward right up next to the shifter for 
> "spirited" cruising in the high gears, and all the way forward on the 
> curves for maximum aero (it doesn't take much for me to spin out this 42t 
> 1x6)
> 3. As you shift to higher gears your hands naturally move forwards into a 
> more aggressive position, and as you shift down to the low gears your hands 
> naturally move back to the less aggressive positions.
> 4. You can brake from all hand positions except right at the very front 
> curves.
>
>
> 
>
> /Jeremy
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 7:11:26 PM UTC-8, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> You could do bar end (“reverse aero”?) levers with the Albastache, but 
>> then you’d be unable to use your bar end shifters. I don’t think you’d want 
>> to mount levers anywhere else on those bars, if only because it would look 
>> strange. 
>>
>> What about just going Albatross and buying brake levers? You can get 
>> cheap, decent Tektro levers for V or canti brakes for like $20. Could fix 
>> your geo/reach/height issue without even a new stem. I know that’s not what 
>> you asked, but I thought I’d throw it out there. If you’re really looking 
>> to stick with road-style levers, Albastache are nice. 
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Well done!

I love everything about your Sam and how it's set-up, including what looks 
to be a hack decaleur -- could you please describe or post some pics of 
that? 

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Bill Lindsay]

Bob E asked about details on a 'hack decaleur'.

It's actually a very standard one.  It's a Berthoud.  It's the vertical 
orientation and it's a long extension, so they'd call that a V-121 model.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 2:18:35 PM UTC-8, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
> Well done!
>
> I love everything about your Sam and how it's set-up, including what looks 
> to be a hack decaleur -- could you please describe or post some pics of 
> that? 
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A review from Velouria at Lovely Bicycle included this paragraph:

*In both aesthetics and feel the Clementine reminds me most of a certain 
type of German and Austrian utility bike that had been around for decades 
through maybe the early 1990s. While clunky in stature and most commonly 
used as city bikes, these types of bicycles were also surprisingly good 
over long distances and over unpaved terrain. They were not designed for 
sport, but for casual - yet, potentially endless - cycling. It is the idea 
of precisely this kind of cycling that first attracted me to bicycles.*

And another salient paragraph:
*The Rivendell Clementine is not a performance bicycle. It does not achieve 
its ease of travel by means of light tubing, aggressive positioning, or 
racy handling. In fact, it is a rather massive, and obscenely relaxed 
machine. Riding it down the road, I feel remarkably at ease. I want to be 
wearing dresses, fluttery clothing, flimsy footwear - and often I do. I 
want to meander endlessly. Yet despite this, the bike eats up miles. And I 
am left with the impression of getting to my destination quickly, without 
that tedious feel that long milage often begins to take on for me, when 
riding an upright bike.*

This was not what she considered a full on review, but IIRC, her initial 
impressions stuck. It is very similar to what I wrote about my experience 
with the bicycle. I also left several comments on this post at Lovely 
Bicycle (under the name "M"--my google id and the result of hitting the 
button before my profile was complete.)Fundamentally, it can do whatever 
you ask of it. I think it comes down to, what your attitude is about the 
rides you want to do with it. Of course you can get a sportier bike to 
ride--and you already have that. The Clementine is a perfect second 
bicycle. It can do everything your current bike can, plus a ton more. I 
wish Rivendell still had the Clem brochure pdf up on the website.

Full review here:

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/09/clementine-belated-befuddled-bedazzled.html
  




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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sax

[islaysteve]

Based on my experience with my old Banana Sack (made by Duluth pack), I'd 
say you will be fine with your intended use.  Mine will carry: an 
innertube, tools in a pouch, wallet, light jacket and an Abus cable lock, 
like Riv sells.  If the lock is carried, it should go in first.  Looking at 
the pictures on the site, the new one may be a wee bit larger, so better 
still.  BTW, I modified mine to fasten the flap with shock cord very much 
like the new Riv design.  It is much more convenient than the single buckle 
style of the old ones.  Interesting that Riv went to the two straps 
perpendicular for mounting.  I can see that it will be easier to mount and 
dismount than the old threaded-strap style.  One of these days, I'll be 
tempted to replace my old one with a new gray for my Bleriot.  Cheers, Steve


On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 6:18:51 AM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> I am looking for feedback on Rivendell's new Banana Sax bag. If you have 
> one and have had some experience using it I would be interested in hearing 
> about it's overall usefulness What have you been able to fit in the bag 
> etc. I am trying to keep bags and racks on my Sam to a minimum but still 
> would like to have a useful bag for carrying my phone, tools, gloves and 
> maybe even a light jacket.  
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Campee rear rack

[Sean PNW]

Nitto Campee rear rack in great shape, $150 + shipping

Pics - 
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[tc]

Hey Clayton, I was reading your post about Bullmoose upsweep, and wondered 
if you could clarify.  It looks to me that the actual bar itself is flat. 
The Nitto catalog doesn't mention an upsweep, so maybe you're referring to 
the upward angle of the two braces coming from the stem top to the bar (to 
form the triangle)?  Or maybe there are other variants still sold?  Thanks!

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:07:43 AM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> So many factors that could make one work better for you than the other 
> that you need to try both for yourself to really know. I would choose 
> almost any bar over the bullmoose. Their upsweep annoys my hands (have no 
> issues with other flat or riser bars). should be easy enough to sell the 
> one you like less.
>
> Clayton Scott
> ST, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Joe Bernard]

TC, the ends of the bars have an upward angle. Imagine if the bar portion was 
mounted level in a conventional stem, then you grabbed the ends and rotated up 
a couple degrees..it's like that. They would probably flatten out on an old 
mountain bike with a really slack headtube. 

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[tc]

Ah!  Thanks ... they don't even mention this in any writeup/spec I've seen!

Tom

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 7:09:59 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> TC, the ends of the bars have an upward angle. Imagine if the bar portion 
> was mounted level in a conventional stem, then you grabbed the ends and 
> rotated up a couple degrees..it's like that. They would probably flatten 
> out on an old mountain bike with a really slack headtube. 

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Howard Hatten]

CLEM BROCHURE newest.pdf

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[RBW] Re: Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Ah, got it.

Thanks for the info, Bill.


On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Bob E asked about details on a 'hack decaleur'.
>
> It's actually a very standard one.  It's a Berthoud.  It's the vertical 
> orientation and it's a long extension, so they'd call that a V-121 model.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Since they have a fixed attachment to the stem, it all depends on your head 
tube angle. They are MTB handlebars originally. I think the current 
versions were meant for Bombadils, which have a 70.5 or 71 degree head tube 
angle. If your head tube is steeper than that, the ends will point up 
slightly. By the same token, if you have a more slack angle, they will 
point down slightly.

Eamon

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 3:59:45 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Hey Clayton, I was reading your post about Bullmoose upsweep, and wondered 
> if you could clarify.  It looks to me that the actual bar itself is flat. 
> The Nitto catalog doesn't mention an upsweep, so maybe you're referring to 
> the upward angle of the two braces coming from the stem top to the bar (to 
> form the triangle)?  Or maybe there are other variants still sold?  Thanks!
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 12:07:43 AM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>>
>> So many factors that could make one work better for you than the other 
>> that you need to try both for yourself to really know. I would choose 
>> almost any bar over the bullmoose. Their upsweep annoys my hands (have no 
>> issues with other flat or riser bars). should be easy enough to sell the 
>> one you like less.
>>
>> Clayton Scott
>> ST, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Yes mine are angeled down. I find them comfortable 

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Howard Hatten]

Nancy
I think this link will take you to the brochure Mark was referring to. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/136422809@N08/shares/aH750i

Howard
Livonia Mi

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[RBW] I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[REC]

If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a lot 
of you live in the area and would love your input.

Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for business, 
I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be arriving on 
a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm flight 
out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or Oakland 
airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be renting a 
car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no issues using 
BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in Emeryville and that 
would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.

I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
to see it, and how to maximize my time.  

So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.

And, no, I won't be doing any biking.

Thanks,
Roberta

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Joe Bernard]

I had mine mounted on a couple of Bridgestones which both had 72-ish head 
angles. They might sit a little flatter on an Appaloosa. 

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Re: [RBW] Two gear question

[Patrick Moore]

It all depends on the length of the stays, the length of the dropouts, the
size of the tires, and whether or not you use a rear derailleur. All else
equal, of course, with a rear derailleur, forward facing dropouts make
wheel removal easier. One can argue that forward dropouts allow easier
removal of ss wheels, too, all else equal, since as you remove the wheel
you are loosening the chain, not tightening it, and you don't have to first
remove the chain from the cog.

On my Matthews and on the Fargo it replaced, it's easy to remove 60 mm
tires with derailleur and fender from the forward dropouts, but that's
because the bikes were designed to allow this -- easier than removing

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> I definitely think that rear-facing track ends allow easier removal and
> installation of fat rubber. In fact I can't see a way in which that isn't
> the case unless one is referring to the process with fenders.Which changes
> the equation.
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] FS/FT/WTB Brooks C-17, Deerhead thumbies, Drop V levers, WTB nano

[drew]

all prices include shipping


*Brooks C-17- Slate. Very good newish condition. * Bought off list to try. 
tried once and my butt didn't like it.  Selling for 80$ (which is what i 
paid) 80$ shipped to west coast. 85$ shipped mid/east

*Shimano Deerhead thumb shifters-* pretty good condition. bolts show some 
rust. they work well. 35$ 

*Tektro drop V brake/long pull levers*- on a bike for a few rides. 25$ 

*WTB 29x2.1 nano tires- *on a bike i no longer have for a few rides. 
essentially no wear. if I still had a 29er, I'd use these tires for 
everything. 35$ shipped for the set. 


I'm looking for WTB byways or interesting 650x50ish mixed terrain tires, 
carradice bagman/erlen style support, any brake related paul bits. 


 

 

 


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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[drew]

I'm not from San Francisco, and I'm sure you'll get a ton of responses from 
locals. I'll speak to this as a tourist who visits the city once a year or 
so. I had family in Lafayette for some years and if you aren't biking, I'd 
skip the Walnut creek area. Other than visiting Rivendell, i mean

I'd throw in the Sutro baths. That's pretty close to GG park i think, and i 
was into it when i went. Alcatraz is kind of a pain to get to (and maybe im 
just a giant nerd) but really worth it. Super fascinating and bizarre. I've 
been like 6 times and it doesn't get old. 

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Nancy Seibel]

Thanks for these thoughts! 


On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 10:21:38 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> I think I have to agree with Joe, I have a Clementine  (Clem L) & I have 
> never had a problem riding it whatever distance, BUT would it be a suitable 
> choice for 100 miles or multi day ride!? No, I  don't think so. Sure you 
> could do it & if you had one; I wouldn't discourage you from trying; now on 
> the other hand if you were buying a new bike just for such a purpose then 
> I'd suggest to the Joe Appaloosa. The Clem is heavy & big and under my 
> 240lbs pretty flexy. I love it for going to the grocery store or slow 
> meandering. 
> It climbs OK, but you definitely feel the heft of it; on the other hand my 
> Atlantis makes light of any sort of uphill & makes climbing hills as close 
> to fun as is possible I guess. 
> The difference in speed is really negligible, but noticeable. Example on 
> my 14mile commute home from work I might average 10.9mph on the Atlantis, 
> but only 10.4 on the Clementine, but over 14 miles it adds up! No problem 
> if you are not in a hurry, but when it's really cold or Hot outside, its 
> nice to be able to trim the time if necessary.

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Nancy Seibel]

Good points, Tom and true, I have found among different bikes I own/have 
owned, minimal differences in my speed, though noticeable differences in 
what I can lift and maneuver readily when that has to be done. I too would 
say failings in regards to riding are generally my own, not the bike's! :). 
Would love to know how you fare with the Clem in Baltimore County! 

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 3:20:59 PM UTC-5, Tom Horton wrote:
>
> hi nancy, I've ridden those hilly baltimore valleys a good deal, on a 
> custom titanium serotta and on a fendered, touring racked big (68cm) 
> atlantis, and the difference isn't as much as you'd think. last year we 
> encountered some hills in quebec that were defeating my sixtyish band of 
> cyclists and we took our bags off and stashed them in the woods, shedding 
> maybe 15-20 pounds; and again it just didn't help that much. my point I 
> guess is that weight doesn't matter as much as we think. just got a 64 cm 
> clem L and maybe in next month or two I can report how that manages in 
> baltimore county. strongly suspect any failings will be the rider, not the 
> clem.  tom horton
>
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 5:56:42 PM UTC-5, Nancy Seibel wrote:
>>
>> Hi, there, I'm seriously thinking of buying a Clem L (I know...that's how 
>> it starts) and wanted to hear from those of you have ridden this bike. What 
>> do you like about it? Any dislikes? How is it on hilly routes? What about 
>> long rides - defined as 30-60+ miles?
>>
>> I test rode one for a short spin around town and loved it. But would I 
>> Iove it in hilly Baltimore County MD, on a century or out for a multi-day 
>> tour?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your comments!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Nancy Seibel]

Thanks Mark - I enjoyed the review and it's good additional input.

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>
> A review from Velouria at Lovely Bicycle included this paragraph:
>
> *In both aesthetics and feel the Clementine reminds me most of a certain 
> type of German and Austrian utility bike that had been around for decades 
> through maybe the early 1990s. While clunky in stature and most commonly 
> used as city bikes, these types of bicycles were also surprisingly good 
> over long distances and over unpaved terrain. They were not designed for 
> sport, but for casual - yet, potentially endless - cycling. It is the idea 
> of precisely this kind of cycling that first attracted me to bicycles.*
>
> And another salient paragraph:
> *The Rivendell Clementine is not a performance bicycle. It does not 
> achieve its ease of travel by means of light tubing, aggressive 
> positioning, or racy handling. In fact, it is a rather massive, and 
> obscenely relaxed machine. Riding it down the road, I feel remarkably at 
> ease. I want to be wearing dresses, fluttery clothing, flimsy footwear - 
> and often I do. I want to meander endlessly. Yet despite this, the bike 
> eats up miles. And I am left with the impression of getting to my 
> destination quickly, without that tedious feel that long milage often 
> begins to take on for me, when riding an upright bike.*
>
> This was not what she considered a full on review, but IIRC, her initial 
> impressions stuck. It is very similar to what I wrote about my experience 
> with the bicycle. I also left several comments on this post at Lovely 
> Bicycle (under the name "M"--my google id and the result of hitting the 
> button before my profile was complete.)Fundamentally, it can do whatever 
> you ask of it. I think it comes down to, what your attitude is about the 
> rides you want to do with it. Of course you can get a sportier bike to 
> ride--and you already have that. The Clementine is a perfect second 
> bicycle. It can do everything your current bike can, plus a ton more. I 
> wish Rivendell still had the Clem brochure pdf up on the website.
>
> Full review here:
>
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/09/clementine-belated-befuddled-bedazzled.html
>   
> 
>
>
>
> 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[franklyn]

Hi, Roberta,

There are many Bay-Area'ers on this list, so you might get more advice and 
suggestions than you'd like. Since you are asking on the RBW list and going 
to visit Riv, I am assuming that you are OK with biking, which I would say 
is the best way to see the City and the surrounding areas, given the amount 
of time you have. Recently I hosted my family for a week, and I haven't 
driven in the City for a while up until then, and driving and looking for 
parking is highly non-relaxing, especially on a weekend, and especially on 
a nice-weather weekend which we have been having nonstop (and we really 
want more rain). 

I would recommend find a bike to use, and work out a itinerary from there. 
All the major attractions, nature and otherwise, can be reached by bike, 
and you can see many of them in one day (SF is only 7 x 7 miles!). Here is one 
potential route  that hit many 
spots that you can do in a morning. 

I also highly recommend a few spots in nearby Marin County: hiking/riding 
in Mt Tam (biking up old railroad grade 
 or hiking up 
), Pt Reyes 
, 
Tennessee Valley (riding/hiking coastal trail to Muir Beach 
), 
Headlands. These are a little further, and driving may allow you to see 
more of them in 1 day, but definitely bikable if you want to have the 
"local's experience". 

I would say go to Muir Wood on Monday, as traffic on weekends are really 
bad.

Have fun!

Franklyn

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>
> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>
> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>
> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>
> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>
> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] FS: Phil Wood and Schmidt Front Wheels

[Max S]

Eric, what’s the OLD on that fixed/fixed wheel?.. I may be interested...

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[Jim M.]

To paraphrase: Walnut Creek is a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to 
visit there (other than Riv, and there are a lot of nice hikes on and 
around Diablo if you want to see Riv's roots). If you want to visit Muir 
Woods, you now need to make parking reservations or a shuttle reservation. 
See the Muir Woods website for instructions.

One outing that I highly recommend is walking around the Presidio to see 
their Andy Goldsworthy collection. They give guided hikes on Saturdays, for 
which you need reservations, but there is a map here to guide your own walk:
https://www.presidio.gov/places-internal/Shared%20Documents/Goldsworthy-Brochure.pdf

jim m
walnut creek, ca

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>
> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>
> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>
> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>
> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>
> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[Surlyprof]

Roberta,

You may be between exhibits at the DeYoung but the observation deck is well 
worth a viewing if you’re in the park.  You’ll also see Ruth Asawa’s wire 
sculptures on the way to the elevator.  That part’s all free, I believe.  You 
may want to double check that.  The new SFMOMA building is nice if your tastes 
run toward the modern.  There’s a nice Calder space with a living wall right 
outside and a Rauschenberg exhibit now.  Listen to the podcast about the 
building.  It’s interesting.
If you’re here on a friday, they used to give tours of Edith Heath’s still 
operational ceramics factory in Sausalito.  You have to schedule ahead of time. 
 That was a really interesting tour.

Have a great trip.
John

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[REC]

Thanks to all, so far.  I just decided this morning to make the SF 
stop--that will be Feb 25-27.

I probably should have mentioned that I own a Joe Appaloosa (so there IS 
Rivendell content)  and just love it.  The group here, as well as my calls 
to Riv,  helped me with my decision last April and I appreciated all the 
input.  

I do like the idea of staying in SF and doing some hikes there (and the 
Sutro Baths look interesting).  It makes a good use of time.  I went to 
Muir Woods years ago and was just awed by the experience. 

Roberta

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:43:26 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:

> To paraphrase: Walnut Creek is a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want 
> to visit there (other than Riv, and there are a lot of nice hikes on and 
> around Diablo if you want to see Riv's roots). If you want to visit Muir 
> Woods, you now need to make parking reservations or a shuttle reservation. 
> See the Muir Woods website for instructions.
>
> One outing that I highly recommend is walking around the Presidio to see 
> their Andy Goldsworthy collection. They give guided hikes on Saturdays, for 
> which you need reservations, but there is a map here to guide your own walk:
>
> https://www.presidio.gov/places-internal/Shared%20Documents/Goldsworthy-Brochure.pdf
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>>
>> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
>> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>>
>> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
>> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
>> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
>> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
>> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
>> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
>> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
>> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>>
>> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
>> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
>> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
>> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
>> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
>> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>>
>> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on how 
>> to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting caught in 
>> traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is the traffic 
>> like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 day at Riv 
>> for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what Walnut Creek 
>> has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been to SF area.
>>
>> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have a Golden Retriever.  No bike baskets for my guy! 😉

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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[Scott McLain]

I highly recommend the Streets of San Francisco bike tour.  They provide the 
bike.  You will get a great tour of the city and it’s history.  It is always 
ranked high on trip advisor.  My wife and I vacation in SF every couple of 
years.  This was our favorite thing.  Also be sure to get Buy Rite ice cream.

Have Fun!  

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Patrick Moore]

I recall taking our 2 Shi Tzu in a milk crate attached to the back of our
tandem; I attached shortened leashes to, as I thought, keep them safe.

Well, the rather neurotic (but oh, so cute with that underbite and big
black eyes in a white face) got nervous and at about 2 miles from home she
decided to make a run for it and dove over the edge of the crate and
dangled by her neck while I and then-wife panicked and fell over, almost
crushing the dog. Fortunately, we did not injure her or ourselves.

Which reminds me, I must get a trailer on which to pull my mid sized mutt
in his kennel ...

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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[Clayton.sf]

thanks for explaining Joe!

mine swept up on a Quickbeam. 

might be that there are different angles as is the case with some other moose 
variants.

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Doug H.]

The Christmas lights photo is glamorous. Sounds like your dog is a “people” 
dog. We have one like that too. They are the best. 

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[RBW] Re: Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Carla Waugh]

I liked reading about your ride and your Sam. Nice Sam Bill!

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[RBW] Re: Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Dave]

Thanks for sharing Bill! Sounds like an incredible day and the write up is 
inspiring. 

Your neighbor in the annex,
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[RBW] Re: FS Technomic Deluxe 70mm takeoff

[Sean Kline]

Hi Ed,

I'll take the stem if it's still available. 

Thanks,
Sean


On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:02:30 PM UTC-8, Ed Felker wrote:
>
> Very light marks from insertion, otherwise looks news. This is the deluxe 
> version with the high polish and nicer nut. 
>
> $50 shipped Priority Mail. Paypal preferred. 
>
> Photos here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/albums/72157692501313254
>
> Thanks 
>
> Ed Felker
> Washington DC
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose vs. Choco-moose

[tc]

Gotcha, makes sense.  Clem 59 (and 64) have a 71.5 HT angle.  52 Clem has a 
71, so, close to Bombadil.  Not sure if any contributors who've mentioned 
'upsweep' are referring to Bullmoose on a Clem or not.

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 7:47:56 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> Since they have a fixed attachment to the stem, it all depends on your 
> head tube angle. They are MTB handlebars originally. I think the current 
> versions were meant for Bombadils, which have a 70.5 or 71 degree head tube 
> angle. If your head tube is steeper than that, the ends will point up 
> slightly. By the same token, if you have a more slack angle, they will 
> point down slightly.
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[RBW] Re: I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[Ash]

Twin peaks is one of my favorite places to visit in the city.  From there 
you get an incredible 270 deg panoramic view of SF and surroundings 
including the Golden Gate bridge.  Beautiful both during the day and at 
night (fog permitting)

As for Walnut Creek, Riv is by far the most interesting place to visit in 
that town.  There's not much else for a tourist.

Have a fun trip!


On Monday, 12 February 2018 19:07:13 UTC-8, REC wrote:
>
> Thanks to all, so far.  I just decided this morning to make the SF 
> stop--that will be Feb 25-27.
>
> I probably should have mentioned that I own a Joe Appaloosa (so there IS 
> Rivendell content)  and just love it.  The group here, as well as my calls 
> to Riv,  helped me with my decision last April and I appreciated all the 
> input.  
>
> I do like the idea of staying in SF and doing some hikes there (and the 
> Sutro Baths look interesting).  It makes a good use of time.  I went to 
> Muir Woods years ago and was just awed by the experience. 
>
> Roberta
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 9:43:26 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
>> To paraphrase: Walnut Creek is a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want 
>> to visit there (other than Riv, and there are a lot of nice hikes on and 
>> around Diablo if you want to see Riv's roots). If you want to visit Muir 
>> Woods, you now need to make parking reservations or a shuttle reservation. 
>> See the Muir Woods website for instructions.
>>
>> One outing that I highly recommend is walking around the Presidio to see 
>> their Andy Goldsworthy collection. They give guided hikes on Saturdays, for 
>> which you need reservations, but there is a map here to guide your own walk:
>>
>> https://www.presidio.gov/places-internal/Shared%20Documents/Goldsworthy-Brochure.pdf
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek, ca
>>
>> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 5:14:58 PM UTC-8, REC wrote:
>>>
>>> If this is too off topic, I'm sure the moderator will delete.  I know a 
>>> lot of you live in the area and would love your input.
>>>
>>> Since I'll be flying from PA to S. CA at the end of the month for 
>>> business, I decided to stop in San Francisco to visit Rivendell.  I'll be 
>>> arriving on a Sunday about noon, and leaving Tuesday, probably on a 5pm 
>>> flight out. I'll be flying into SFO, and I can fly out of either SFO or 
>>> Oakland airport, whichever makes most sense with my schedule.  I'll be 
>>> renting a car, because I'll need it for some of the trip, but I have no 
>>> issues using BART when that is more practical.  I'll be staying in 
>>> Emeryville and that would be my first stop, so I could drop off my bags.
>>>
>>> I'm planning on visiting Golden Gate Park (conservancy of flowers, Art 
>>> Museum) , take a walk in Muir Woods, perhaps Alcatraz, Fisherman's Wharf, 
>>> and visit Rivendell.  My tastes are more toward nature and museums, but I 
>>> love the get a feel of the area, so I'd probably just want to "walk around" 
>>> but I'm not sure where.  I'm open to all suggestions on what to see, when 
>>> to see it, and how to maximize my time.  
>>>
>>> So, with two half days and one full day, are there any suggestions on 
>>> how to split my time, especially when it comes to potentially getting 
>>> caught in traffic?   Perhaps Muir Woods on Sunday, SF on Monday?  What is 
>>> the traffic like--would SF be better on a Sunday (or twice)?  I figure 1/2 
>>> day at Riv for the drive up and back and "visit." or should I see what 
>>> Walnut Creek has to offer?It's probably been 25 years since I've been 
>>> to SF area.
>>>
>>> And, no, I won't be doing any biking.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Ash]

I have a 2017 Appaloosa.  Clem L and Appa are similar bikes, IMO.  Based on 
my experience, I would say it quite suitable for 60-mile rides.  It would 
NOT be a good choice if speed is what you are going for.  Very good choice 
if enjoying the scenery, being able to carry some stuff for the trip with 
ease and comfort are what you want.  
  
I only started biking 2-3 years ago.  My biking muscles are not all that 
trained.  Still, a 52 mile trip that involved 2800 ft climbing did not feel 
too hard on Appaloosa. It was 95+ degrees that day.  I had carried at least 
20 lbs cargo including extra water bottles.  Looking back, I wouldn't even 
attempt a trip like that on any of the road bikes I had owned before.  It 
might take an hour less.  But I know those bikes won't be comfortable 
enough to get much enjoyment out of the ride.  Last summer I also biked Mt 
Diablo (close 3k ft climb, I think) on Appa.

It did take some trial and error with handlebars, stem length/height 
adjustments and saddles   before it became fully comfortable for long 
rides.  (which is probably the case with any bike).

During the winter I have made more tweaks to improve ergonomics (mostly to 
the cockpit).  Now I feel like I can enjoyably ride it all day (at my pace) 
for multiple days.  Looking forward to at lease one such ride this summer.

Cheers,

Ash



On Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:56:42 UTC-8, Nancy Seibel wrote:
>
> Hi, there, I'm seriously thinking of buying a Clem L (I know...that's how 
> it starts) and wanted to hear from those of you have ridden this bike. What 
> do you like about it? Any dislikes? How is it on hilly routes? What about 
> long rides - defined as 30-60+ miles?
>
> I test rode one for a short spin around town and loved it. But would I 
> Iove it in hilly Baltimore County MD, on a century or out for a multi-day 
> tour?
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments!
>

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Re: [RBW] Un-un-unracing update: My first 622mm 200k, and a Sam Hillborne ride report 9-years later

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm planning on San Francisco 300k and then Santa Cruz 400k, 600k.  As far
as the time goes, yeah, the other rides I did I sat around and enjoyed a
bunch of food, but even then, I think my average speed on my ride was
faster this time even with much less time for breaks.  Hope to catch you on
some more rides this year.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HB-DKO1Xmk

I think this is a cute dog rides with master bike video but i cannot condone 
riding a bike with dog on it for the dogs’ safety reasons.

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Re: [RBW] I'll be at Riv and need some suggestions about the local area

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Alcatraz is great, but you might have difficulty making a reservation.
Muir woods now has limited parking that also requires a reservation.  I
highly recommend renting a bicycle in the city and riding along the
Embarcadero through fisherman's wharf and to the golden gate bridge,
followed by a trip across the bridge down into Sausalito, and then a ferry
back to San Francisco.  You get to see lots of beautiful scenery and
experience a trip on the bay.  If you feel adventurous, then cross the
bridge and climb the hill on the West side of the bridge (Conzelman Rd?) to
the old gun turrets about a couple hundred feet up.  You look down on the
Golden Gate Bridge with the absolute best views of the bridge and city.

If you are in Emeryville, then you are 10 miles from the Oakland
Hills--Redwood Regional Park.  Go to the Skyline gate and take a hike along
the rim trail, or hike down into the Redwoods on the French Trail.  There
will be some elevation gain, but wonderful hiking and beautiful redwoods.
That is in my neck of the woods.  You are welcome to borrow a bike from me
(I ride a 54 cm, but also have a smaller mixte Cheviot) and ride along
Skyline Blvd to Grizzly Peak Blvd, where there are amazing views of the
bay.

I know you said that you won't be biking, but hard for me to not recommend
it :).

Toshi in Oakland

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