Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Justin, Oakland]

Phil K-
Have you tried the Fairweather All road bars?
-J

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[RBW] Re: 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

[iamkeith]

Interesting. I'll play devil's advocate:  for $12 I'd try it, personally.  
Heck, I'd buy 2 for the shipping cost.  I could see potential for problems, but 
not consequential ones.

If it breaks, you're in your low gear and therefore going slow anyway.  Use 
your middle ring to limp home.

The chain might ride up on the bolt head if it protrudes much beyond the face 
of the ring,  but would that really cause problems?  Maybe you'd feel it in 
your cadence, but not as much as, say an oval ring.   ( though even biopace 
used a round granny ring...).  I can't think what it would hurt mechanically, 
unless it caused the chain to wear slightly faster.

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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

That turquoise is pretty sweet though. I saw one at RBW a couple years ago - 
Bike Snob book day, I think - with blue chainring bolts and it was so cool! 
Hey, remember when Clem was supposed to be rattle-canned urban bike??

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[ctifusion]

Alex,

That's it. I'd break the bank for that bar.

Brynnar
Indy

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[ctifusion]

Everyone stop posting to this stupid thread and we all win. 

Brynnar
Radical f**king lefty
Indy

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[lambbo]

Patrick Moore - are you saying H.L. Mencken is a positive force?  Surely 
there are intelligent writers who weren't racist and anti-Semitic.  

I whole-heartedly support Grant putting his opinion our there (not just 
because I agree with it).  At the same time, this whole thread has got me 
bummed out - I hate to say it but it's been a sad kind of wake-up call to 
realize that there are Trump supporters who appreciate what I 
appreciate...my little bubble of bicycles has been popped!  

I guess you take a bunch of (mostly) older (mostly) men, (some) with $20K 
worth of recreational machines, (all) who spend a lot of time on the 
internet, and you're bound to get some old-school and far-out opinions.   

I still prefer to see this forum the other way (which it also is):  take a 
bunch of people enthusiastic about a functionality, aesthetics, and 
bicycles, and exercise, smart people, some L.O.T.R. fans, put them together 
and get some really pleasing, overly in-depth reviews of really 
un-neccesary outdoor fabrics, and lovely long discussions about bikes that 
Grant won't be designing but which he 'could' :)  It makes me happy.  

Still happy to read all these things every evening.

-
A



On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 9:52:30 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Joe: I like you, but your rhetoric is bumbling and more passionate than 
> intelligent, and that is true of much of what has been posted on this 
> subject. I disassociated myself from one of Richard's comments earlier, 
> because it was posted as reply to something I had posted, but I will 
> support his later attempts to bring context and clarification to his 
> assertions.
>
> Note this: I do not necessarily agree with his context and clarifications 
> -- I might indeed disagree with them; I just haven't researched the issue 
> sufficiently, and therefore I wisely keep my mouth shut on the matter. But 
> I do support his attempt to bring quality of discourse to a thread that has 
> been lamentably heavy on passion and weak on intelligence. 
>
> That is how Hitler got elected -- repeat, elected. Demagoguery succeeds by 
> making use of unintelligent high emotion. 
>
> The stupidity level of this thread is getting dangerously high. I prefer 
> H. l. Mencken.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> I like the part where Richard acted shocked that I said Trump was 
>> abducting children, then supported the policy of abducting children. The 
>> art of doublespeak is strong with this one. Who btw is now talking on a Riv 
>> forum after renouncing Rivendells. 
>>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

I can tolerate some religious people.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[John A. Bennett]

Thank you, Rich,

I developed the film at home, but scanned the negative to make a JPG.

Been taking a darkroom class at the local JC, but we're on a break, so no 
printing again til next week.

Looking at old enlargers on Craigslist. Inch by inch.

Thanks, again. 

John in Portland, Ore. 



 



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>
> Nice tones John. Did you make the print? I’m impressed you’re developing 
> your own film. It brings back good memories.
>
> I appreciate a well made b&w print. Back in the day I used 35mm PlusX, 
> TriX, PanatomicX. Also 4x5 and 8x10 SuperXX sheet film. It was a passion.
>
> Best regards,
> Rich 
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:50 AM, John A. Bennett  > wrote:
>
> Hey, guys. I hate to hijack the thread, but I've been shooting a lot of 
> film lately. Any other film shooters here?
>
> Last weekend was my first time using Ilford's Delta 400. The camera store 
> was out of HP5. Developed a roll from Saturday in my basement last night. 
> Seems like finer grain than HP5. Maybe more like Kodak's TMax? 
>
> I'm attaching one shot chosen at random. Thoughts?
>
> John in Portland, Ore.
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 6:59:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I don't give a damn what anybody thinks of my "bumbling rhetoric". You're 
>> either on the right side of abducting children or evil. Your choice. 
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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[ian m]

I'll never forgive Riv for not offering this color in the first Clem run. I 
had considered painting the two bikes I had prior to my Clem "banana slug 
yellow", then I jumped on the Clem pre-order as I had longed for a Riv but 
could never afford one before Clem arrived. It looked too nice to consider 
repainting, plus that turquoise is a great shade. But then they bring out 
basically the exact color I wanted in the same frame?!?! It's enough to 
drive you mad


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>
> The mid-to-later-life crisis continues! I've headed this butternut Clem H 
> direction a few times, and always seem to end up somewhere else. Recently 
> Riv had a couple 52cm frames on the Specials page, and I almost jumped then 
> but no. Then Alex Wirth from Yellow Haus posted some Riv completes he has 
> in stock, and I started ruminating about this model being discontinued soon 
> and..well..enjoy! 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/UPMcxsi2fDJcB1dg9
>
> Joe "ah geez, I better try to sell more stuff" Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] OT - What I did on my Summer vacation

[MartyG]

Like many of us I suspect, we have projects we have every intention of 
completing, if only we had a couple uninterrupted days. That's rare for me, 
but I managed to sandwich two together this week and built these despite 
the 100 degree weather. Fun project, and very comfortable. Norm Abram 
design. Clear Western Red Cedar. Classic, light and strong - just like a 
Rivendell! I'll find time to ride (and mow the lawn) later in the week. 



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[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

[iamkeith]

That looks great.   I love it!  I misinterpeted patrick's comment, and thought 
you'd put d__k brakes on, and was glad to see you hadn't. 

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[RBW] Re: 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

[Kieran J]

Or a 94/58.

KJ


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>
>
> I'd pass. If I really needed lower gearing I'd get a 104/64 mtb triple 
> which can go down to 22t, though I've seen some 20t. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Clayton.sf]

brakeless fixed gears on city streets!

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

[Jim M.]

Looks very sharp! Nice job. 

I had a raw Bombadil, which I really liked. The finish deteriorated over 
about 8 years. I was tempted to have the clear coat redone, but when the 
frame needed repairing I went ahead and had it painted by D&D. I'm supposed 
to get it back this week.

jim m
walnut creek, ca

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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks Ash! Just back from a ride and I have a new Clem note, same as my old 
Clem L note: This thing really picks up momentum and holds it. I'm an ebike guy 
and know well the sensation of easing off the pedals and the bike kinda just 
keeps going..this does that. No idea why and my Cheviot doesn't duplicate it. 
Hey Grant, where'd you hide the motor?? ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

[Tony DeFilippo]

I've always liked the raw steel finished, glad you found one that worked for 
you!  And I live the ghost of the original decals.

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[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

[Carla Waugh]

It’s a beautiful work of art! Happy trails!

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[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

[Brett Callahan]

This is unreal Marc. It looks absolutely stunning. 
Brett

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 2:44:58 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
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> Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw finish:
> https://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2018/07/definishing-hunq.html
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Brewster Fong]

No way!  If you really want a "religious war" then it's got to be 
*clinchers versus tubulars?!*  

Good Luck!

Brewster

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 2:01:32 PM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Helmets next?
>
> rod
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 4:51:49 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Friction shifting sucks! Ok it doesn't really suck, but my old man ears 
>> can't hear when I'm between shifts anymore. Clickety clack!
>
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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Ash]

Congrats Joe!

That tan saddle looks surprisingly cool on butternut frame!!


On Friday, 29 June 2018 17:04:53 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The mid-to-later-life crisis continues! I've headed this butternut Clem H 
> direction a few times, and always seem to end up somewhere else. Recently 
> Riv had a couple 52cm frames on the Specials page, and I almost jumped then 
> but no. Then Alex Wirth from Yellow Haus posted some Riv completes he has 
> in stock, and I started ruminating about this model being discontinued soon 
> and..well..enjoy! 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/UPMcxsi2fDJcB1dg9
>
> Joe "ah geez, I better try to sell more stuff" Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Definishing the Hunq

[Nick Ybarra]

Simply beautiful!

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> Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw finish:
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[RBW] Definishing the Hunq

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great post, Marc! I personally celebrate that the Hunqapillar doesn’t have dick 
brakes. Sardonic grin. Fascinating with the diamond finish, and I’m equally 
fascinated by how similar our Hunqapillars now appear. May you have many more 
miles and trips together, whatever you look like.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Definishing the Hunq

[Marc Irwin]

Here's a link to a blogpost about making a raw 
finish:https://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/2018/07/definishing-hunq.html

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[R Shannon]

Nice tones John. Did you make the print? I’m impressed you’re developing your 
own film. It brings back good memories.

I appreciate a well made b&w print. Back in the day I used 35mm PlusX, TriX, 
PanatomicX. Also 4x5 and 8x10 SuperXX sheet film. It was a passion.

Best regards,
Rich 




Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:50 AM, John A. Bennett  wrote:
> 
> Hey, guys. I hate to hijack the thread, but I've been shooting a lot of film 
> lately. Any other film shooters here?
> 
> Last weekend was my first time using Ilford's Delta 400. The camera store was 
> out of HP5. Developed a roll from Saturday in my basement last night. Seems 
> like finer grain than HP5. Maybe more like Kodak's TMax? 
> 
> I'm attaching one shot chosen at random. Thoughts?
> 
> John in Portland, Ore.
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 6:59:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I don't give a damn what anybody thinks of my "bumbling rhetoric". You're 
>> either on the right side of abducting children or evil. Your choice.
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Kieran J]

Ooh ooh ooh, can we do vegetarians vs. flesh-eaters next? Puuuhlease? That 
one's my super-fav! :-S

KJ


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>
> As a group made up of individuals, can we all just agree to let this 
> thread die? If you just HAVE to post one more time I guess that’s ok but 
> please (pretty, pretty please) just once more. And bonus points if you can 
> make it as non-divisive as possible. 
>
> I’ll start. 
>
> Chris 

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[RBW] Re: 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

[Garth]

I'd pass. If I really needed lower gearing I'd get a 104/64 mtb triple 
which can go down to 22t, though I've seen some 20t.  Or, just ride on with 
what you got, if you come to stop, so what ? Walk a bit 'till you continue 
. 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Rod Holland]

Helmets next?

rod

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 4:51:49 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Friction shifting sucks! Ok it doesn't really suck, but my old man ears 
> can't hear when I'm between shifts anymore. Clickety clack!

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Friction shifting sucks! Ok it doesn't really suck, but my old man ears can't 
hear when I'm between shifts anymore. Clickety clack!

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[David Hallerman]

I truly believe that most bike people prefer, when gazing at their 
bike(s), they prefer to gaze more on the bike's right side than its left 
side.



On 7/3/18 4:31 PM, Justin, Oakland wrote:

Uh. I like steel bikes.

Controversially yours and somewhat confused how we got here,
Justin, thread starter

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As a group made up of individuals, can we all just agree to let
this thread die? If you just HAVE to post one more time I guess
that’s ok but please (pretty, pretty please) just once more. And
bonus points if you can make it as non-divisive as possible.

I’ll start.

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[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

[Garth]

   Ahahahahahaahahahah !  


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[RBW] 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

J, I have no experience with 23t or that company, but I suspect there is a 
reason for the bike industry standard of 24, namely safety for a part that 
magnifies the torque going into the system. Those bolt holes look mightly close 
to the tooth valleys. I personally wouldn’t be inclined (pun intended) to trust 
it in the steep climbing scenarios inherant to using it.

With abandon,
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[RBW] 23-tooth 74bcd chainring

[jandrews]

I noticed these chainrings on eBay that are offered in 23T for 74bcd.
They are made in Italy ...black aluminum and sold from Ukraine.  hmm.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-PMP-MTB-chainrings-BCD-74/112721389226?hash=item1a3eb7e6aa%3Am%3AmGhPiHpLDR4-s93PwpBr80Q&var=413184847378
Does anyone have any thoughts about these?
I'd like to drop my smallest ring by one tooth.  I don't see any 74bcd 
rings smaller than 24T.  Has anyone here seen 23T granny rings in this bolt 
circe diameter?
thanks
J

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Justin, Oakland]

Uh. I like steel bikes.

Controversially yours and somewhat confused how we got here,
Justin, thread starter

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> As a group made up of individuals, can we all just agree to let this 
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> please (pretty, pretty please) just once more. And bonus points if you can 
> make it as non-divisive as possible. 
>
> I’ll start. 
>
> Chris 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

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As a group made up of individuals, can we all just agree to let this thread 
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(pretty, pretty please) just once more. And bonus points if you can make it as 
non-divisive as possible. 

I’ll start. 

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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Not a direct response to your question but I have biked with my Golden on a 
leash that I held onto while biking. The only bike I feel comfortable doing 
this with is my Brompton. With the lower step over and just kind of more open 
bike, it just felt safer should he try to do something other than trot along 
beside me

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Steve mentioned a moderator stepping in. Doesn’t seem like that is going to 
happen. Since there has only been polite discussion with no name calling in 
this thread..,

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

My disagreement is with government abduction of children. Period. Bringing 
abortion into what was a dead discussion until some asshole revived it is 
severely out of line. 

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[RBW] Riv sighting in Arlington, Massachusetts

[Rod Holland]

Saw a guy on a light green, double top tube Riv (previous generation Sam, 
I'm guessing, but I wasn't close enough to read the decals), transiting 
Arlington Center between two segments of Minuteman Bikeway. Pretty bike!

The thermometer in my car said 97.

rod

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What do we want this group to be? Grant laments having to edit himself too 
much, yet that is exactly what those here who disagree with “lefties” are often 
asked to silently do.

I’m not sure the “lefties,” as Grant self-described, realize how much of the 
lefty echo chamber gets unwittingly expressed in various ways on this group nor 
do they realize the choice it presents with folks who disagree. In part this is 
because they think such conclusions are commonplace across they country and in 
human thought and understanding. Sometimes (as evidenced in this thread), this 
is paired with the judgement that anyone who disagrees (or expresses nuanced 
agreement) is backward, inhuman, primative, ignorant, or worse. I generally let 
them slide. To suggest I’ve finally turned a conversation to what I want to 
talk about is incorrect. Over the years, various references to the code 
languague of the left have been used (both by Grant in writings and by others 
on this group), such as “women’s reproductive rights,” or “free to love 
whomever they choose,” or other positions that inherantly go against my 
understanding of human dignity. once understood what they stand for.

The above is one of the reasons I “went there.” If not everyone can agree with 
science that a human egg fertalized by a human sperm is both human and alive 
and thus logically has human rights, including to life, we need to absolutly 
stick to bike talk. So while I grasp the desire to not have to self edit, by 
having the echo chamber sneak in as it has more recently, means anyone who 
disagrees either has to be silent, or speak up, or leave. Is that what this 
group wants? I am happy to leave if so. However, I am a Catholic deacon and I 
will not longer remain silent in the face of the echo chamber. Also, for the 
record, I have many moral issues with many of our presidents. If you want to 
understand my politics, Catholic Social Teaching is your best bet. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Grant Petersen]

I second the let's not let this one become one of those ones (and of
course, Just Riding)...
I don't want "Grant's Blahg" to become the thing that people read to get
riled, but I also don't want to have to edit myself too much. I'm a lefty,
and that won't always come across strongly because most of the time it'll
still be about bikes.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Uhh, let's not do abortion here, kids. It's not even remotely related to
> the Blahg topic, and it's time to go ride our bikes. JUST RIDE.
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[RBW] Test, please ignore

[James Warren]

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[RBW] Re: FS: 29er/700C wheelset - xt hubs, mavic rims, 36h, silver. And new Maxxis Ikons

[adam leibow]

sold

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 12:45:02 PM UTC-7, adam leibow wrote:
>
> Hello! As the title states, I'm selling a Rivvy 29er/700c wheelset. I 
> bought it used and it has lived on my Hunqapillar and Sam Hillborne. 
>
> *spec's are as follows:*
> - 622mm BSD (700c or 29er)
> - XT HB-M760 hubs - quick release, 100F, 135R OLD spacing
> - Mavic A719 Rims (very similar profile & width as Atlas or Synergy on 
> Riv-standard wheelsets)
> - 36h front and rear
> - DT straight gauge spokes. 
>
> I think that's it, am I forgetting anything? The rear bearings *are *a 
> little notchy and slow when you spin them with your fingers, but not really 
> noticeable when riding. Front bearings spin great. 
>
> I also have a set of 29er Maxxis IKON 2.4"ers in black sidewall. they are 
> the 120tpi tubeless ready version (nice). They have under 10 soft dirt 
> miles on them and are virtually brand new except some dirt. 
>
> Price for wheels alone = $120, price for wheels & tires = $200. Local 
> pickup in SF (either Soma or Ocean Beach). Otherwise, please add actual 
> shipping if you need them shipped. 
>
> Please text me (3IO) nine sixz three - sizx nien 59. If you direct email 
> me i won't see it. 
>
> Thanks!!!
> Adam
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Ryan M.]

I like a little extra grain in a lot of street and festival shots but find 
HP5 a bit flat; I think Delta 400 helps with that. Frankly, I'm more of a 
TriX guy myself. 

I've been shooting a ton of Portra 400 out of a few Pentax K2 cameras 
lately. 

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 9:50:03 AM UTC-5, John A. Bennett wrote:

> Hey, guys. I hate to hijack the thread, but I've been shooting a lot of 
> film lately. Any other film shooters here?
>
> Last weekend was my first time using Ilford's Delta 400. The camera store 
> was out of HP5. Developed a roll from Saturday in my basement last night. 
> Seems like finer grain than HP5. Maybe more like Kodak's TMax? 
>
> I'm attaching one shot chosen at random. Thoughts?
>
> John in Portland, Ore.
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 6:59:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I don't give a damn what anybody thinks of my "bumbling rhetoric". You're 
>> either on the right side of abducting children or evil. Your choice. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Justin, Oakland]

Wow. 

I guess I’d rather know than not know but wow. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

The evidence is only apparent to you. Nice work shifting the topic to 
something you DO want to talk about, after decrying the off-topic-ness of 
the on-topic discussion. 

To reiterate my own thoughts: Hey, thanks Grant, for speaking up for 
decency and morality. It is unconscionable for us as a moral and empathetic 
people to have a policy to purposely separate kids from their parents in 
order to terrify other people into staying away, or supposedly pressure 
politicians to enact policy changes.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 11:51:57 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Protecting the human rights of invisible and powerless people is a huge 
> challenge and oddly threatens a lot of people, as evidenced throughout this 
> thread.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Ryan Merrill]

Man, would you quit trolling this thread and don’t speak for the American 
people. 

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Protecting the human rights of invisible and powerless people is a huge 
challenge and oddly threatens a lot of people, as evidenced throughout this 
thread.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

This thing was done June 24th, which was shortly after the stupid insane policy 
was rescinded. But troll. 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Steve Palincsar]

It is long past time for the moderator to have stepped in, in my opinion.


On 07/03/2018 02:02 PM, sameness wrote:
Dear all, please please please don't let /this/ forum become one of 
/those/ forums.


Jeff Hagedorn
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Uhh, let's not do abortion here, kids. It's not even remotely related to the 
Blahg topic, and it's time to go ride our bikes. JUST RIDE. 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

So "abortion?" Consider supporting women's health services and reproductive 
education worldwide.
Seems like scope creep on this thread, and I feel the backhanded shot was 
unnecessary. Furthermore, many many many people are very exercised about 
this issue. 


Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 11:14:06 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Philip asked, “Do you have examples of Americans in general being PRO 
> removing some other kinds of children by force from their mothers?” 
>
> Sadly, plenty of examples. Millions per year, worldwide. The people in 
> support of this practice do not yet recognize them as human, so no human 
> rights. It too is legal and evil. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Philip asked, “Do you have examples of Americans in general being PRO removing 
some other kinds of children by force from their mothers?”

Sadly, plenty of examples. Millions per year, worldwide. The people in support 
of this practice do not yet recognize them as human, so no human rights. It too 
is legal and evil. 

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[Glen]

I used a walky dog with my last dog and she loved it. A 15 to 20 minute run 
at about 10mph every morning kept her very happy (i.e. less destructive) 
and forced me to get in some saddle time before work. She was a 65 pound 
very active shepherd mix who wanted greet any other dog she saw so I had to 
keep alert to any distractions. When I saw another dog it was interval time 
as she wanted to run and see the other dog and I had to make the run more 
interesting for her. As we passed the other dog she would try to run 
perpendicular to the bike's path so be prepared to counter lean against the 
pull.

It did do some cosmetic damage to the downtube sticker so I ended up 
wrapping the tube with handlebar tape. You will want to use a harness that 
allows the leash to attach between the dog's shoulder blades. 

One other caution is you need to get out early in the day as the road gets 
hot and paws don't take to heat. 

I will train my next dog to use it, Molly loved it so much and got so 
excited when she saw me grabbing the bike and wand.





On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 1:28:10 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Would prefer a device that has a removable "wand" with a small bracket 
> that can bolt to the seat or chain stay, so that the wand can be removed.
>
> Has anyone used this? Will it clamp to a fattish seat or chain stay?
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-Paracord/dp/B003OYIAW4?tag=tdt01-20
>
> Of course, they don't bother to tell you the largest and smallest 
> diameters that the clamp will fit.
>
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Well, not quite "on" nor quite "Riv", but "beside" and "Hon Solo" which 
>> was a Dahon fixed model with an official build nod to Rivendell.
>>
>> I seem to recall this being discussed before, but I can't find the 
>> thread. Is there a safe and effective or usable (2 "must" qualities) device 
>> that attaches to your bike, to which you can attach a leash so that the dog 
>> is held a safe distance from the bike?
>>
>> The device can attach either to frame (tho' the HS doesn't have the 
>> diamond design) or to a rear rack.
>>
>> I've seen such things advertised, but I'd like to get others' real world 
>> experience with whatever such device they may have used.
>>
>> What have you used, and how did it work?
>>
>> The photo shows the HS before I attached the folder-specific rack.
>>
>> Riv content, from interview with Dahon's Product Dev Mgr:
>>
>> ... the selection of retro components (Brooks,
>> Sugino, Nitto Moustache, Suzue) are inspired by one of my mentors
>> Grant Petersen of Rivendell. It all just came together perfectly.
>>
>> -- 
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>> Other professional writing services.
>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>> *
>> ***
>> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> Other professional writing services.
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[sameness]

Dear all, please please please don't let *this* forum become one of *those* 
forums.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Grins and bollocks. Which would be the name of my first album if I made an 
album. 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dave, I think the criticism that I failed to acknowledge something in anything 
I wrote could always be asserted and defended, if not particularly helpful. 
Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Dogs on Rivs -- leash "wand"?

[WETH]

Patrick,
I sent you a private email, but I will elaborate here.  I own the Wally-dog 
device in your Amazon link.  I used it half a dozen times for a strong 70 lbs 
Labrador.  It worked well and as advertised.  It kept him from getting under 
wheel.  Some training is needed in getting your dog to “heel” and “stop” 
especially big dogs.  In the end, my dog was too strong physically and stubborn 
for me to safely use it with him.  For a smaller, better trained canine, it 
would work well.  I clamped it to my seatpost with no problem.
Thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Jock Dewey]

Great discussion and plenty of good info. 

I'll add this FWIW: I spent two delightful years working for Richard 
Schwinn in Waterford, WI, early 2000s. As far as data points go, he's got 
quite a few of 'em to be sure. When asked about rusty frames, he responds 
that he has *never* seen a steel frame rust from the inside out. That's 
plenty good for me...yet I continue to Boeshield mine. Go figure, ha!

BEST REGARDS / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:53:27 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I agree, Ron. I've actually done a bit of metalworking in my day. I would 
> say, though, that with reasonable care, and excluding environments that 
> continually expose bicycles to dampness and or salty water/humid air, most 
> bicycles will not rot out from the inside, at least not for several 
> lifetimes. If I am doing a complete rebuild, and the bike is outside, and I 
> have a can of Boeshield in my hand, I'm not averse to squeezing off a few 
> shots into the bowels of a Reynolds 531. But not a top priority for me.
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:53:42 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>
>> The point of corrosion inhibition is stop the process where it's at.  You 
>> don't know the history of every frame you buy, but if you use this type of 
>> product inside the frame and store it indoors, it will last.  
>> If it's actively corroding and you expose it to a continued humid 
>> environment, it's going to keep corroding until something breaks.  
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue Saddlesack - Medium - $185 shipped

[Belopsky]

Still got this.

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[RBW] Re: Spencers Bespoke Breeks?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

No way! What if I break me shoulder by getting me breeks caught in me brakes! 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[David Hallerman]

This administraion is breaking laws about asylum, and damaging lives in 
their breaking of laws.


I'm saying that when the government breaks laws that apply to it, that 
causes grave problems in all of our society -- citizens, immigrants, 
asylum seekers, and the children, grandchildren and other decendants of 
earlier immigrants.


And Patrick, I probably am not trying to convince you of anything. But 
your writing about a "sacrosanct building block of society" and a 
nation's rights fails to acknowlege this official law-breaking.



On 7/3/18 12:15 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Dave, I’m confused by your response, which sounds like you disagree with me and 
are trying to convince me of something. My primary point was how broken the 
immigration system and border enforcement are. If I am reading you correctly, 
we agree the immigration system and border are very broken and in grave need of 
being repairs so they uphold human dignity.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It actually does look more like TMax than HP5. :)

Eamon

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 7:50:03 AM UTC-7, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> Hey, guys. I hate to hijack the thread, but I've been shooting a lot of 
> film lately. Any other film shooters here?
>
> Last weekend was my first time using Ilford's Delta 400. The camera store 
> was out of HP5. Developed a roll from Saturday in my basement last night. 
> Seems like finer grain than HP5. Maybe more like Kodak's TMax? 
>
> I'm attaching one shot chosen at random. Thoughts?
>
> John in Portland, Ore.
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 6:59:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I don't give a damn what anybody thinks of my "bumbling rhetoric". You're 
>> either on the right side of abducting children or evil. Your choice. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[David Hallerman]

Way too much grain.

And certain parts of the picture are severely under-developed.


On 7/3/18 10:50 AM, John A. Bennett wrote:
Hey, guys. I hate to hijack the thread, but I've been shooting a lot 
of film lately. Any other film shooters here?


Last weekend was my first time using Ilford's Delta 400. The camera 
store was out of HP5. Developed a roll from Saturday in my basement 
last night. Seems like finer grain than HP5. Maybe more like Kodak's 
TMax?


I'm attaching one shot chosen at random. Thoughts?

John in Portland, Ore.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 6:59:16 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

I don't give a damn what anybody thinks of my "bumbling rhetoric".
You're either on the right side of abducting children or evil.
Your choice. 


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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dave, I’m confused by your response, which sounds like you disagree with me and 
are trying to convince me of something. My primary point was how broken the 
immigration system and border enforcement are. If I am reading you correctly, 
we agree the immigration system and border are very broken and in grave need of 
being repairs so they uphold human dignity.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John A. Bennett wins the day! Oh, also..."whatever you did not do to the least 
of these, you did not do for me." If I were a righteous person and supported 
the Racist in Chief, I might be looking over my shoulder.

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

Whatever could you mean? 
Do you have examples of Joe, or the people on this list, or Americans in 
general being PRO removing some other kinds of children by force from their 
mothers? 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 8:55:09 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Joe said: “You don't take children from mothers and put them in camps.” 
>
> Agreed. If only we so passionately defended the rights of all children to 
> not be removed by force from their mothers. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[David Hallerman]

However, a nation does NOT have the right to break its own laws by 
eliminating many of the immigration-check-in places before the border, 
where individuals and families and families coming to the United States 
of America for asylum are legally allowed to go. Federal law and 
international treaties mandate that the administration consider the 
requests of asylum applicants. It is perfectly legal to come to the 
United States without papers and request asylum. International law 
prohibits the US government from turning away people with legitimate 
humanitarian claims or from sending them back to countries where their 
lives are in danger.


Instead, without the pre-border checkpoints, these individuals and 
families are forced to present themselves to ask for asylum only by 
first crossing the border -- and then they're arrested.


This is a form of bait-and-switch. Think about it. Requesting asylum is 
legal, but the current forces in power have made the legal impossible by 
forcing the people to cross the border before making that request.


Logic and reason say that a "sacrosanct building block of society" is 
for the government to follow its own laws. This government does not, at 
least in this instance. This government, therefore, by breaking the law 
contributes to anarchy.


Dave, who hopes that he and you never have to ask for asylum anywhere or 
become a refugee but just imagine if you and your family had to request 
asylum and how would you want to be treated and please don't say that 
you and your family will NEVER EVER have to request asylum because you 
never ever know



On 7/3/18 10:58 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Joe, I love your passion, but I believe there is more challenge and nuance here 
than you realize and it seems at best disingenuious to put all blame on Trump 
(whatever else a person may think of him) when our immigration laws and border 
have been broken since at least the Reagan era (who granted a path to 
citizenship for illegal immigrants at the time as an attempt to make things 
right and prompt Congress to get its act together).

— Family is the sacrosanct building block of society and parents have 
fundimental rights that no one can take away and the State should alwasy strive 
to uphold these. Among these rights are the rights to be with and educate their 
children.
— A nation has a right and responsibility to have defined borders and control 
them.
— A nation has a right to define what the legal path to citizenship is and a 
responsibility to provide a legal path to citizenship. I believe we have done 
this poorly and I also believe it is on the Congresses of the last four decades 
that we have not upheld human dignity with just immigration laws.
— This in no way justifies it, but I believe children have been seperated from 
the adults accompanying them at the border in very specific circumstances under 
at least the last four presidents, possibly back to Clinton. Why? My take is it 
is an imperfect and bungled attempt to address the challenging situation of 
adults using children for their own benifit in various ways. I don’t know how 
frequent these circumstances are, or how many actualy families have been 
separated, but the fact that four presidents chose the same thing, and 
increased it in some cases, tells me there is something else, of a grave 
nature, going on.
— Trump took action to stop separation of families at the border via executive 
order, using it to attempt to get Congress to pass more just laws. He is 
attempting to get done what the previous four (+?) presidends could not — get 
Congress to address immigration and border issues (you can’t solve one without 
solving the other). So far Congress has balked, on both sides.
— Enflamed rhetoric is verbal violence. Violence in all forms always escalates 
and harms and never heals.
— Logic and reason have stopped being taught in schools for the most part and 
it shows. We are becoming a Facebook nation in how we communicate, with no 
better skills at dialogue, logic, and reason than happen on college dormroom 
door whiteboards.

With abandon,
Patrick



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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe said: “You don't take children from mothers and put them in camps.”

Agreed. If only we so passionately defended the rights of all children to not 
be removed by force from their mothers.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

Hitler wasn't elected, he was appointed. 


Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 6:52:30 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Joe: I like you, but your rhetoric is bumbling and more passionate than 
> intelligent, and that is true of much of what has been posted on this 
> subject. I disassociated myself from one of Richard's comments earlier, 
> because it was posted as reply to something I had posted, but I will 
> support his later attempts to bring context and clarification to his 
> assertions.
>
> Note this: I do not necessarily agree with his context and clarifications 
> -- I might indeed disagree with them; I just haven't researched the issue 
> sufficiently, and therefore I wisely keep my mouth shut on the matter. But 
> I do support his attempt to bring quality of discourse to a thread that has 
> been lamentably heavy on passion and weak on intelligence. 
>
> That is how Hitler got elected -- repeat, elected. Demagoguery succeeds by 
> making use of unintelligent high emotion. 
>
> The stupidity level of this thread is getting dangerously high. I prefer 
> H. l. Mencken.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> I like the part where Richard acted shocked that I said Trump was 
>> abducting children, then supported the policy of abducting children. The 
>> art of doublespeak is strong with this one. Who btw is now talking on a Riv 
>> forum after renouncing Rivendells. 
>>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

The trend with this topic is "golly abducting children is bad, but po president 
has to enforce the laws and whatnot so whaddyagonnado womp womp build the 
wall." It's crap. You don't take children from mothers and put them in camps. 
It's been done. 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

That's bollocks. The topic isn't immigration in general, it's the government 
abducting children and putting them in camps. That's what Grant discussed on 
the Blahg, that's what I'm discussing here. It's not what a civil, moral 
society does. It's evil. Have a nice day. 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Please accept my apologies, Joe. I realized my response singles you out and 
that was not my intention — my response is to the whole group, not just you.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe, I love your passion, but I believe there is more challenge and nuance here 
than you realize and it seems at best disingenuious to put all blame on Trump 
(whatever else a person may think of him) when our immigration laws and border 
have been broken since at least the Reagan era (who granted a path to 
citizenship for illegal immigrants at the time as an attempt to make things 
right and prompt Congress to get its act together).

— Family is the sacrosanct building block of society and parents have 
fundimental rights that no one can take away and the State should alwasy strive 
to uphold these. Among these rights are the rights to be with and educate their 
children.
— A nation has a right and responsibility to have defined borders and control 
them.
— A nation has a right to define what the legal path to citizenship is and a 
responsibility to provide a legal path to citizenship. I believe we have done 
this poorly and I also believe it is on the Congresses of the last four decades 
that we have not upheld human dignity with just immigration laws.
— This in no way justifies it, but I believe children have been seperated from 
the adults accompanying them at the border in very specific circumstances under 
at least the last four presidents, possibly back to Clinton. Why? My take is it 
is an imperfect and bungled attempt to address the challenging situation of 
adults using children for their own benifit in various ways. I don’t know how 
frequent these circumstances are, or how many actualy families have been 
separated, but the fact that four presidents chose the same thing, and 
increased it in some cases, tells me there is something else, of a grave 
nature, going on. 
— Trump took action to stop separation of families at the border via executive 
order, using it to attempt to get Congress to pass more just laws. He is 
attempting to get done what the previous four (+?) presidends could not — get 
Congress to address immigration and border issues (you can’t solve one without 
solving the other). So far Congress has balked, on both sides.
— Enflamed rhetoric is verbal violence. Violence in all forms always escalates 
and harms and never heals.
— Logic and reason have stopped being taught in schools for the most part and 
it shows. We are becoming a Facebook nation in how we communicate, with no 
better skills at dialogue, logic, and reason than happen on college dormroom 
door whiteboards.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Quickbeam/SimpleOne (or others?)

[Tully Lanter]

Interesting observation on the head tube, John. I wouldn't have caught
that.

I actually just purchased one from a list member, and should be up and
running in the near future. Ride pics and a new (old) bike day post to
follow, naturally...

Thanks!

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 6:30 AM John G.  wrote:

> Headtube looks pretty short for a 58cm Quickbeam. It appears to be
> measured center to top. I'm not sure what actual size that equates to.
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 8:38:57 AM UTC-4, Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>
>> There's a quickbeam, 58 cm, on Ebay right now:
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Quickbeam-58cm-Green-Single-Speed-Road-Bike-with-Dura-Ace-Nitto/27253803?hash=item3fa3ee76ab:g:QxcAAOSwSkxbOZNF
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

I don't give a damn what anybody thinks of my "bumbling rhetoric". You're 
either on the right side of abducting children or evil. Your choice. 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Patrick Moore]

Joe: I like you, but your rhetoric is bumbling and more passionate than
intelligent, and that is true of much of what has been posted on this
subject. I disassociated myself from one of Richard's comments earlier,
because it was posted as reply to something I had posted, but I will
support his later attempts to bring context and clarification to his
assertions.

Note this: I do not necessarily agree with his context and clarifications
-- I might indeed disagree with them; I just haven't researched the issue
sufficiently, and therefore I wisely keep my mouth shut on the matter. But
I do support his attempt to bring quality of discourse to a thread that has
been lamentably heavy on passion and weak on intelligence.

That is how Hitler got elected -- repeat, elected. Demagoguery succeeds by
making use of unintelligent high emotion.

The stupidity level of this thread is getting dangerously high. I prefer H.
l. Mencken.


On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I like the part where Richard acted shocked that I said Trump was
> abducting children, then supported the policy of abducting children. The
> art of doublespeak is strong with this one. Who btw is now talking on a Riv
> forum after renouncing Rivendells.
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[RBW] Re: FS - Ocean Air Cycles Docena

[S. Greco]

Bump

>
$220 shipped CONUS

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Rich, the Cheviot is s nice. I've put myself in the proverbial 'too many 
bikes, not enough cash' boat again, but I'm leaning towards keeping the Chev 
anyway. It's easy to say a bike is for sale when you haven't ridden it lately, 
but yesterday I rode it. So nice! 

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

I like the part where Richard acted shocked that I said Trump was abducting 
children, then supported the policy of abducting children. The art of 
doublespeak is strong with this one. Who btw is now talking on a Riv forum 
after renouncing Rivendells. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Quickbeam/SimpleOne (or others?)

[John G.]

Headtube looks pretty short for a 58cm Quickbeam. It appears to be measured 
center to top. I'm not sure what actual size that equates to.

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>
> There's a quickbeam, 58 cm, on Ebay right now: 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Quickbeam-58cm-Green-Single-Speed-Road-Bike-with-Dura-Ace-Nitto/27253803?hash=item3fa3ee76ab:g:QxcAAOSwSkxbOZNF
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Rod Holland]

I like it: a bicycle for Dad, a climbing structure for the kids...

rod

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:15:30 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> It'll be a first look at our three-top tube bike!
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>>
>> Will this be the mountain bike post?
>> Will this be the Rivendell with a suspension fork post?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 12:05:43 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>>
>>> The next BLAHG will be even more not-intentionally divisive, probably. 
>>> It will have more bike content in it. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Richard, thanks for answering.


Now everyone is crystal clear on your position.  It's horrifying.  

It's never ok to purposefully inflict trauma on young children.  Period.  There 
is no other discussion after that statement.




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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Richard]

Of course its not a good thing to separate children from their mothers, but 
it is sometimes necessary to temporarily do so, at least until DHS can 
figure out who these people are. Its not like they have documentation 
proving who they are.

Keep in mind we have cases of human traffickers using children, MS 13 
gangs, drug cartels, predatory coyotes using children. A porous border is a 
magnet to all kinds of criminality. 

I'm not anti-immigrant and neither are the American people. We support 
orderly, legal immigration like our federal laws require.

If you really want to end the humanitarian crisis at the border, support 
Trump's effort to secure the damn border. 

On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 7:49:22 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
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> This is very interesting to me. So Richard, here's a very simple and clear 
> question:
>
> Do you think it's okay, do you think it's good policy to separate children 
> from their mother?  Under Obama or nowif they are illegally crossing or 
> legally entering and seeking asylum?
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Quickbeam/SimpleOne (or others?)

[Tom Wyland]

There's a quickbeam, 58 cm, on Ebay right 
now: 
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[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

[Garth]

Ha Ha .. IS  is Indivisible . 

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[R Shannon]

Joe,

I have a bit of Cheviot envy too. Your description of the Chev stokes that 
feeling. But with three Rivs already in my bike room . . .

All the best,
Rich

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> Good point, Rich. I guess I'm comparing directly to the Cheviot and Crust, 
> both of which have itty-bitty tubes. In a world of downhillers and 
> fatbikes...not such a bruiser! ;-)
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

So Richard...I think that's a yes, right?

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Richard]

I just listened to the song by Tom Russell "Who gonna build your wall" that 
Grant mentioned on his latest Blag post. 

Pretty good song, but Russell misses the point. Its not the rich Republican 
fat cats who want the wall built, its the average working class joe who 
hasn't had a raise since the 1970's, in part because of cheap labor pouring 
over the southern border.

If rich Republicans wanted a wall, Bush 41 or 43 would have built it. Rich 
Republicans want open borders for the cheap labor. The Democrat Party wants 
open borders for the votes. They learned decades ago that immigrants block 
vote for them. I mean how cynical is that.

Anyway, someone at Rivendell really has kick-ass taste in music. Like the 
music by  Mulatu Astatke, Girl from Addis Ababa, that they use in one of 
their videos.
Blew my mind when I first heard that one. Its good they give attribution 
too. 

Have no fear Tom Russell, Trump is building the wall. The American people 
have been asking for a secure southern border for decades and we've been 
lied to by self-serving politicans of both parties for decades. Amnesty, 
after Amnesty, after Amnesty..











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> Trivisive.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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[RBW] Re: Spencers Bespoke Breeks?

[Belopsky]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/internet-bob/spencer$27s%7Csort:date/internet-bob/2eYdKuFr9fg/zWDr6J4NAgAJ

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

This is very interesting to me. So Richard, here's a very simple and clear 
question:

Do you think it's okay, do you think it's good policy to separate children from 
their mother?  Under Obama or nowif they are illegally crossing or legally 
entering and seeking asylum?



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[RBW] Re: Spencers Bespoke Breeks?

[Belopsky]

No experience but didn't we have this discussion over at iBob?

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[RBW] Re: Spencers Bespoke Breeks?

[Karl]

No experience, but they look amazing! Definitely bookmarking that one! Let 
us know if you end up with a pair!

Karl 
Nashville, TN

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:24:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Anyone have experience with Spencers Trousers’ bespoke breeks? 
> https://www.spencers-trousers.com/
>
> I have to say, I’ve asked a few questions by email so far and am impressed 
> with Nigel’s knowledge and solutions (particularly his plan to make breeks 
> for cycling AND floor-living, which require greater range of motion than 
> normal) while (hopefully) still fitting properly. As it is, with the 
> off-the-shelf, I have to size up, and belt down the waist, and that is 
> fussy and still moves a bit oddly. At roughly $200 delivered (tweed), not 
> bad, presuming they are made to last and fit and move well.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Richard]

Abducting children??? Are you out of your mind?

Trump officials are now abducting children 

Hey guys did you watch the Chris Wallace interview with Jeh Johnson, 
Obama's DHS Sec.?

He admits to separating families and keeping children alone in detainment 
cells. Yes, its true!

Wallace posted pictures taken in 2014 of children sitting alone in cells. 
Who was President in 2014? Good God, I think it was Obama! Yes, I know what 
the liars at Policifact wrote.

Jeh Johnson "I freely admit it was controversial. We believed it was 
necessary". Without a doubt the images and the reality, from 2014, just 
like 2018, are not pretty" Johnson said, "We expanded it, I freely admit it 
was controversial, we believed it was necessary"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/24/obama_dhs_sec_jeh_johnson_we_detained_children_it_was_necessary.html


So where was the outrage when Obama was doing it? 

Cricketsnot a blip in the radar back then. But Obama only did it 50% of 
the time and Trump has a zero tolerance policy! When does it become a 
"human rights violation" 50% of the time, 20% of the time?

Maybe Grant wrote a Blag about the horror of the Obama border 
policiessomehow I doubt it.

One more thing, Joe Bernard (if that is your real name), I'll post whenever 
I feel like it. If you don't like it, piss off.

Now, back to the Grant lovefest...:)






























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> "Hey, abducting children seems bad" didn't strike me as a particularly 
> divisive statement...

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