[RBW] Thought I'd share my Appaloosa

[Joe Bernard]

That's a beautiful bike, and I know that exact spot. You did quite a ride!

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Re: [RBW] Thought I'd share my Appaloosa

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nick:

I have the same racks on a Soma Saga. Yes, they’re overkill, but I also don’t 
have the heart to remove them. The front one basically holds the headlight in 
place, which is over-engineering to the Nth degree.

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> On Jul 8, 2018, at 8:27 PM, nick b  wrote:
> 
> After I got over my teenage fear of riding bikes and got back on one in my 
> early 20's I found Rivendell on the internet and lusted over an Atlantis.  
> About 10 years later I decided to just do it and I saved up and went for the 
> Appaloosa since the Atlantis was so much more.  Little did I know the 
> Atlantis would come out a few months later in a more affordable Taiwanese 
> version but to be honest I prefer this (that blue is heavenly).  It's pretty 
> much everything I hoped it would be.  Heavy, slow, comfortable, and beautiful 
> with my neck placed to look at the scenery instead of my bike computer and 
> the pavement directly in front of me (I have a bike for that...).  I took it 
> on a 3 day tour up in Marin and Sonoma this weekend and it performed 
> admirably.  I rode 215 miles from Fairfax to Santa Rosa (Russian River 
> Brewing!), over to Bodega Bay where I slept for the night and dropped my 
> gear.  The next day I rode unladen up to Cazadero and over King Ridge Road 
> and then down the dirt road in Kruse Rhododendron State Preserve and back 
> down the PCH to Bodega Bay.  The next day was down to Bolinas for lunch and 
> then over Fairfax-Bolinas Road (where I saw a dude descending on an Atlantis) 
> to my car.  The racks seem a bit overkill but every time I think about taking 
> one off it loses functionality for me which is why I put them on.  I built it 
> so that one day (and one day hopefully will) live on it.  Also riding though 
> that area which I visited as a kid but am unfamiliar with as an adult was a 
> treat.  Thought you all might like to see  it.  Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[tarik saleh]

Justin,

 someone beat you to the last linen ones.  
Will probably do another run later this year. Might be weirder though.

Thanks 

Tarik


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> On Jul 9, 2018, at 3:44 AM, Justin, Oakland  wrote:
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> I was responding to Tarik. Thanks.
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Relevate Feed Bag handlebar bag

[eflayer]

Relevate seems hard to beat:
http://bikepacker.com/revelate-designs-mountain-feedbag/

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 5:50:20 PM UTC-7, eflayer wrote:
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> wondering if one of our listeners might have one in the parts bin?
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[RBW] RE: FS: 56cm Rivendell Road - $875

[Patrick Shea]

Did YOU buy that tres bitchin Riv Road that Chris was selling?

If you are that person, I want to thank you from the bottom of my savings
account. I vacillated  between the Logical (buy it now, idiot) and the
Reasonable (my friend Logical is right), and waited one day too long. What
a great looking, and riding, machine you now own, YOU!


thank-YOU again,
Patrick Shea

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[RBW] WTB: Relevate Feed Bag handlebar bag

[Stephen W.]

Randi Jo Fab makes a Pocket Tender (feed bag)...one handed opening, cool 
colors. Plus her and her family are cool. 

https://www.randijofab.com/collections/bags/products/pocket-tender-aka-bartender-with-a-pocket?variant=4085073674269

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Relevate Feed Bag handlebar bag

[eflayer]

I just saw the Jandd one today and it looks pretty close...and more 
affordable. My intention is for an on-bike camera bag and I think the 
Relevate one-handed opening and closing feature may be the x factor for me.

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> wondering if one of our listeners might have one in the parts bin?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[Justin, Oakland]

I was responding to Tarik. Thanks.

Justin

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[RBW] WTB: Relevate Feed Bag handlebar bag

[Dave Grossman]

Have you or has anyone checked out the Jandd version of this?  They are pretty 
affordable.

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - HHH W&OD Overnighter and Beer Sampling Adventure

[Tom Wyland]

Thanks for the write-up and photos! I was just at the Green Lizard a few 
hours ago (it's my local bike shop). Yes, the W&OD is a great trail to have 
nearby. It was my primary commuting route for about 7 years, so I've seen 
it in all seasons, all weather. I haven't yet done the W&OD + C&O loop 
(about 100 miles) but I would like to some day schedules and weather align.

Tom

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[RBW] FS: Bosco Cockpit - $100 plus shipping

[jandrews]

First of all, sorry for the poor quality, low-light pics..they make the 
bars look grungier than they actually are. I can take better pics if you're 
interested.

   - Cro-mo Dullbrite Bosco 55cm handlebars
   - 10cm Tallux stem (25.4)
   - Shimano Mountain Brake levers
   - Meisha's Portugese Cork grips, *groved and punched for bar-end 
   shifters*
   - Dia-Compe Knobs on further down on the bar 
   - Blue Newbaums bar tape - twined off with hemp and one-coat amber 
   shellac
   - VO braided cable housing 

Three distinct hand-positions on this set up.

   1. Upright on the grips
   2. Hooked between thumb and index finger on the Dia Compe Knobs - Feels 
   somewhat similar to riding on the hoods of drop levers
   3. Aero position on the flat of the bar on either side of the stem clamp.


This is a big, wide set up..so I'm not sure about what shipping would be. 
 I'm in Upstate New York and in NYC often, so that would be the most 
ideal..but I can certainly box it and ship it.  Happy to discuss.
It's got some beusage but in great shape.

Thanks 
Jason


















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[RBW] WTB: Relevate Feed Bag handlebar bag

[eflayer]

wondering if one of our listeners might have one in the parts bin?

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Re: [RBW] Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[Jim Bronson]

Am I the only one who had to read the whole thread to figure out what we
were talking about?

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:57 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> No response from them for a couple days and I see no phone on the site so
> asking the Randi fans here:
>
> So I am 23" head size measurement on the money.
> Better to size up or size down since the bottom/top measurement of each is
> 23"?
> What is your experience?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[Lum Gim Fong]

I got the Large linen natural.
Whats the plaid look like?

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[RBW] WTB: 58 cm Bosco Bars

[Lum Gim Fong]

I have a 52 heat treated NITTO aluminum Bosco for sale. PM if interested.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[Jonathan D.]

I would probably go for a large 23-24. I do have an xl plaid wool if anyone has 
a large head and looking for one. I can send a pic. 

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Re: [RBW] Calling Deacon Patrick: question about crank length

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I know sand like you know snow, Patrick. Grin. So I’ve no idea how to answer 
your question. And snow dept varies depending on density and age and freeze 
thaw cycles, all of which can vary every foot or two on a trail. But my 20 mile 
staple ride in snow in winter is like a 40 mile ride in summer. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Calling Deacon Patrick: question about crank length

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. All this is grist for the mental mill. I realized after reading
your reply that my interest in comparing different crank lengths implies
the ability to use different gear ratios, so at least your reply cleared
that up. But with multiple sprockets, I think that certain lengths may be
better for certain types of riding; where lugging through sand is involved,
I suspect that longer to a point is better, at least for my mashing style
of riding. But this judgment is subject to change without notice.

Curious: how deep can sand be and still be rideable for you? I don't mean
short boggy patches, but extended surfaces. I can lug through 3" sand,
gearing down to the bottom on the big ring (46") for short distances, but
when extended distances are more than 2" deep I start looking for other
routes. This is very dry, very fine river silt that is heavy enough to
impede motion but fine enough that it gives no support at all.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:27 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Hey Patrick,
> Others have more years experience with fixed gear trail riding than I do,
> so you may want to widen your question to include them?
>
> Short answer: Ride whatchagot. It’ll learn ya whatchlike. I’ve gone middle
> (173), down from 175 SS. Too long by fixed recommendations, but my long
> legs do like the lever. I also like the easier spin of the 173 vs 175.
>
> Longer answer, here’s my experience so far:
>
> When I shifted to fixed I tried the 175s on there and did great, but had
> no reference to anything different. When I switched cranks to Silver 173s I
> noticed these differences: slight loss of leverage (a tooth or two?) but
> far easier faster spinning. I got a bit stronger and am very happy with
> both climbs and descents with my current gearing. My “staple” ride has
> 2,000 feet of climbing in ten miles (and the shocking 2000 feet descending
> back home, again over ten miles. Grin.). So not super steep, but not flat
> either. It includes 1/3 single track, 1/3 dirt road/MUP, and 1/3 asphalt.
> The trail part is the steepest and most rocky/rooty/technical part.
>
> If I went to 170, would I have fewer strikes. Clearly. Is it a measurable,
> material amount? No idea. I’d likely want to gear down slightly, but I’d
> spin more easily, so speed would likely remain about the same. For grins,
> I’ve wondered about 165 to test.
>
> Sand and snow ride fairly similarly, depending on condition/consistancy. I
> find overall technique is more important than anything (weight back to
> float the front wheel and give the rear extra traction.) That’s trickier
> when stomping, but easily learned. The biggest issue is building muscles to
> have both strength and endurance.
>
> Related, of course, is pedal choice. I am still playing with my pedals to
> find what I like for clearence and foot feel. Too wide, clearence issues.
> Too narrow, unhappy feet (less an issues with leather sole inserts). I
> currently am using MKS Sylvan Touring with toe clips/straps and really like
> them, but they are prone to more pedal strikes due to width and bottom half
> stack height. I’ll be testing out the MKS Urban next week.
>
> I’ve basically decided that pedal strikes (at slow speed, as required for
> rocky, rooty trails anyway) are a given with fixed gear trail riding (heck,
> they happened with a free wheel too — gotta move the pedals to climb unless
> your hoofin’ it with a freewheel too. Grin.). The biggest hits my pedals
> take are bikepacking during LCG. I only LCG if the trail is too steep or
> too rocky, and round here those two usually go togther. Pedals always
> turning, faster because of the lowest gear, more pedal strikes, and the
> bike weighs 75 pounds. I lift it for the strikes I see, if I can (not
> always possible on some terrain, it’s all I can do to keep the bike going
> up the trail).
>
> I’ve also decided MKS pedals are the best combination of value (quality
> and price), given that I destroyed bearings on my VP pedals within six
> months very consistantly (often 2-3 months). MKS take a beating and keep on
> spinning without complaint. I like that in a pedal. Grin.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[Patrick Moore]

https://www.randijofab.com/collections/caps/products/linen-cap?variant=44545128522

All the colors of the rainbow.

Those look nice. I'll have to keep Randi Jo in mind when my present stock
wears out; rotating so many, I get several years' use out of each.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Justin, Oakland 
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> I don’t see any linen ones sadly!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[Justin, Oakland]

I don’t see any linen ones sadly!

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[RBW] WTB: 58 cm Bosco Bars

[Jonathan D.]

I just tested out my wife's 55 Bosco Bars on my Joe. I think this is the way to 
go for me. I was curious if anyone had an extra pair of 58 Boscos they were 
looking to sell. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for cycling caps?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Thanks for the info.
Ranji Jo Linen, natural, large it is.


The wide brim and more normal look of the cap appeals to me.
Hopefully it will work out great.

Right now I only have an Ibex wool cap. It is fantastic in cold weather and 
heat so far.
But I think I will like the Ranjo Jo as it appears to look more like a 
normal hat.

I might get the Gingerbread rain hat next for winter to keep the head dry.

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[RBW] Calling Deacon Patrick: question about crank length

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Patrick,
Others have more years experience with fixed gear trail riding than I do, so 
you may want to widen your question to include them?

Short answer: Ride whatchagot. It’ll learn ya whatchlike. I’ve gone middle 
(173), down from 175 SS. Too long by fixed recommendations, but my long legs do 
like the lever. I also like the easier spin of the 173 vs 175. 

Longer answer, here’s my experience so far:

When I shifted to fixed I tried the 175s on there and did great, but had no 
reference to anything different. When I switched cranks to Silver 173s I 
noticed these differences: slight loss of leverage (a tooth or two?) but far 
easier faster spinning. I got a bit stronger and am very happy with both climbs 
and descents with my current gearing. My “staple” ride has 2,000 feet of 
climbing in ten miles (and the shocking 2000 feet descending back home, again 
over ten miles. Grin.). So not super steep, but not flat either. It includes 
1/3 single track, 1/3 dirt road/MUP, and 1/3 asphalt. The trail part is the 
steepest and most rocky/rooty/technical part.

If I went to 170, would I have fewer strikes. Clearly. Is it a measurable, 
material amount? No idea. I’d likely want to gear down slightly, but I’d spin 
more easily, so speed would likely remain about the same. For grins, I’ve 
wondered about 165 to test.

Sand and snow ride fairly similarly, depending on condition/consistancy. I find 
overall technique is more important than anything (weight back to float the 
front wheel and give the rear extra traction.) That’s trickier when stomping, 
but easily learned. The biggest issue is building muscles to have both strength 
and endurance.

Related, of course, is pedal choice. I am still playing with my pedals to find 
what I like for clearence and foot feel. Too wide, clearence issues. Too 
narrow, unhappy feet (less an issues with leather sole inserts). I currently am 
using MKS Sylvan Touring with toe clips/straps and really like them, but they 
are prone to more pedal strikes due to width and bottom half stack height. I’ll 
be testing out the MKS Urban next week.

I’ve basically decided that pedal strikes (at slow speed, as required for 
rocky, rooty trails anyway) are a given with fixed gear trail riding (heck, 
they happened with a free wheel too — gotta move the pedals to climb unless 
your hoofin’ it with a freewheel too. Grin.). The biggest hits my pedals take 
are bikepacking during LCG. I only LCG if the trail is too steep or too rocky, 
and round here those two usually go togther. Pedals always turning, faster 
because of the lowest gear, more pedal strikes, and the bike weighs 75 pounds. 
I lift it for the strikes I see, if I can (not always possible on some terrain, 
it’s all I can do to keep the bike going up the trail).

I’ve also decided MKS pedals are the best combination of value (quality and 
price), given that I destroyed bearings on my VP pedals within six months very 
consistantly (often 2-3 months). MKS take a beating and keep on spinning 
without complaint. I like that in a pedal. Grin.

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Re: [RBW] FS/FT: Bags, Camping, Clothes (sackville, musa, filson, jandd etc.)

[Patrick Moore]

Drew: I was tempted at $90, and that's a very good price for these in good
condition, but I have overspent my bike budget and ought to cut back. Also,
I don't want to insult you or offend you by a too lowball offer, but just
in case you are very eager to get rid of the Jandds: I can justify $75
shipped to my conscience, if they are not nen green or bright purple. I
will entirely understand if you decline.

Thanks, Patrick

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Drw  wrote:

> Updates and an invitation for offers.
>
> Jetboil  flash- new/never used. Some dust from sitting. Comes with
> everything you see. I never learned how to use these. 70$ shipped
>
> Hammock- small, lightweight hammock. Suspension system attached. I’ve
> slept in it a few times. Easy way to try out hammock camping without buying
> a whole system-15$ shipped
>
> Jandd mini mountain panniers- really love these, but they see very little
> use. Great small-medium size with expanding capabilities and decent looks.
> Great condition. Specs here-https://www.jandd.com/det
> ail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FMMP
> 90$ shipped
>
> Filson Mackinaw Cruiser- musa. forest green. 24oz wool. amazing coat, but
> too warm for southern california. 38 long. basically a medium. very very
> good condition. 190$ shipped. photos upon request.
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[RBW] FS/FT: Bags, Camping, Clothes (sackville, musa, filson, jandd etc.)

[Drw]

Updates and an invitation for offers. 

Jetboil  flash- new/never used. Some dust from sitting. Comes with everything 
you see. I never learned how to use these. 70$ shipped 

Hammock- small, lightweight hammock. Suspension system attached. I’ve slept in 
it a few times. Easy way to try out hammock camping without buying a whole 
system-15$ shipped 

Jandd mini mountain panniers- really love these, but they see very little use. 
Great small-medium size with expanding capabilities and decent looks. Great 
condition. Specs here-https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FMMP 
90$ shipped   

Filson Mackinaw Cruiser- musa. forest green. 24oz wool. amazing coat, but too 
warm for southern california. 38 long. basically a medium. very very good 
condition. 190$ shipped. photos upon request.

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis ~ 1999

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jim, that looks like the Many Things Cage/straps from King Cage: 
http://kingcage.com/index.php?products=yes

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Calling Deacon Patrick: question about crank length

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: You've gained a lot more fixed gear experience in dirt/rough/high
torque conditions than I have -- almost all my fixed riding has been on
pavement, apart from a brief trial with a fixed mountain bike some 10 years
ago.

Questions: What crank length do you favor?
Do you find that a longer crank makes high torque/low rpm climbing -- the
sort you'd get in your terrain -- easier than gearing down and pedaling
faster?
Did you switch from a shorter -- 170 -- crank to a longer one for off road
riding?

I ask because I have been noticing that, with the Matthews, I tend to ride
a tooth or even 2 bigger, and pedal slower, with its 175s than with the
170s I use on the other bikes.

Odd, it's harder to notice the difference when plowing through sand --
though the longer crank may indeed make this easier -- but I do notice it
at speed on pavement, when I will cruise easily on the flat, moderate to no
wind, in a 73" and even 77" gear, similar to the 76" gear I have on the
gofast, which is 12 lb lighter and has dainty little 175 gram tires as
opposed to fat 60 mm tires at 18 psi.

I'm beginning to wonder if 180s might be nice for the sort of sand plowing
I do a lot of.

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

Tell me about it!!  And where?  I had everything so organized but then have 
to move stuff around to get thru TSA.  Front panniers will be carry on so 
have to make sure nothing essential in there that TSA won't like.  I sort 
of knew where I wanted everything when riding but now I'll have to remember 
where it went for flying.

Bill

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 10:46:42 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Everything’s tidy and compact and ready to go! Now you just have the 
> challenge of “Did I really pack x and y? I KNOW I packed z. Didn’t I? Oh, 
> and I meant to take out q and r. Did I?” Sardonic grin. Then, at camp, the 
> explosion that happens and how much space all that compact stuff ends up 
> taking up. Grin. Have a fantastic ride! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Riv Odds/Ends/Accessories to Add to an Order.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 to Neubams bar tape and safety triangles. I’ve given out a few triangles to 
folks I see regularly walking the backroads of Woodland Park where there are no 
sidewalks. Especially in the dark of winter it is hard to see someone and her 
walker bundled in a black coat. Of course, I never see them use them after 
that, so maybe not the best idea. Plus, after about two years of brushing off 
the mud, they tarnish and are less visible by half.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Everything’s tidy and compact and ready to go! Now you just have the challenge 
of “Did I really pack x and y? I KNOW I packed z. Didn’t I? Oh, and I meant to 
take out q and r. Did I?” Sardonic grin. Then, at camp, the explosion that 
happens and how much space all that compact stuff ends up taking up. Grin. Have 
a fantastic ride!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: RBW Emails Being Tagged as Junk

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Aye, though with other emails as I interact with the group via web. “Mark as 
not junk” took care of it. I presume they tightened their algorithm.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: RBW Emails Being Tagged as Junk

[Virgil Staphbeard]

Yep, mine went to junk on gmail at first. I had to white list Riv so I 
would receive them. 

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 9:49:07 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I’ve recently noticed that Apple’s Mail apps (on computer and mobile 
> devices) has recently started sending many (most?) messages from this list 
> to a Junk folder. Ads about stuff for sale seem to be especially 
> affected—the original post goes to junk, but the replies to the list come 
> through. Other than that, there’s no readily apparent logic. Posts about 
> cool rides and interesting photos also get the spam treatment. 
>
> Has anybody else noticed this? 
>
> Eric N 
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[RBW] RBW Emails Being Tagged as Junk

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve recently noticed that Apple’s Mail apps (on computer and mobile devices) 
has recently started sending many (most?) messages from this list to a Junk 
folder. Ads about stuff for sale seem to be especially affected—the original 
post goes to junk, but the replies to the list come through. Other than that, 
there’s no readily apparent logic. Posts about cool rides and interesting 
photos also get the spam treatment.

Has anybody else noticed this?

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Brown Banana Sack

[Steve Butcher]

The Banana Sax has been spoken for.  

On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 8:39:04 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> By the way, this is the Rivendell Sackville Banana Sax which I'm offering 
> for sale.
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 7:31:34 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> I've decided to start thinning the bag collection, so here's your chance 
>> to get a basically new Brown Banana Sack.  I have mounted the bag on my 
>> Simpleone but only used it on one short ride and stored indoors.  It looks 
>> good as new.  There is a slight scuff on the blinky loop otherwise no 
>> marks, tears, or damage.  I want to get $85.00 (I knocked $5.00 off retail 
>> due to the little blinky loop scuff) plus shipping CONUS.   Please PM me 
>> with questions.
>>
>> Steve Butcher
>> Stockton, Missouri
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[tarik saleh]

I think it is better to size up with the stock sizes of Randi Jo caps if you 
are right on the limits.  Caps never seem to get larger with time.  They stay 
true to size trough careful hand washing or will shrink a tiny bit over time 
washing in the cold/wool/delicate cycle, or a fair bit if you accidentally dry 
them.  

I still have a couple  of wool and linen Randi Jo Fab made TSBC caps in stock 
at tariksaleh.com/tsbc click through to the web store.  Will include a decal 
and some pins if you mention RBW or ibob somewhere in the order.  

Thanks

Tarik

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> On Jul 8, 2018, at 1:51 AM, Justin, Oakland  wrote:
> 
> I wear a 7 1/2 in Fitted caps. Big head. The Riv special fit which is a L/XL 
> fits me like buttah. I want the same thing as my Grey wool one in linen or 
> chambray. 
> 
> -J
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