[RBW] Re: Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Shawn Granton]

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 6:25:34 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> A reasonable beginner tent recommendation would be appreciated. 


The REI Passage 1 is a pretty decent one-person tent. It retails for $140 
and comes in at about 4 lbs. I used one for a couple years.  -Shawn







 

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[RBW] Re: New bike day. 56cm 650B Atlantis

[Pancake]

Agreed, great ride and attention to fun and functional details. Looking forward 
to some ride reports and pics. What a handsome bike!

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[RBW] Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[cam starnes]

agreed. my 1x sam, also in indiana, is also set up with the shifter cable 
crossing to the left of the headtube. never liked the look of the big 
non-crossed loops from the cockpit for some reason. 

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[RBW] Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have owned 2 NOS Betty Foy frames that were sold before being ridden for the 
two beautiful women in my family.  My wife said she was giving up riding 12 
years ago when our children transitioned into drivers training and   a faster 
means of freedom.  fortunately she did a 180 and wanted me to get her a new 
bike.  I found a NOS Betty but she was right on the border of sizes.  After 
accumulating 650B wheels and everything needed for a spectacular build she 
asked me to sell it so us non drinking non gambling souls could take a trip to 
VEGAS with her sister and husband.Next I called RBW and they found a last 
60 or 62cm hidden in their glittering cave somewhere.  This was to be a HS 
graduation gift for my daughter to take to college where she planned to play 
NAIA volleyball.   After 2 years of rehabbing knee injuries the large BF was 
passed along to a list member who reached out to me regarding the bike for her 
tall significant other.  Unfortunately my daughter needed a rare knee surgery 
only performed by several doctors in the world and was limited to swimming, 
golf, and biking for the balance of her upon graduation from college at 21.  I 
purchased a large Clementine withdyno hub and light and gave it to her for 
graduation and refused to take it back.  We have ridden together many times in 
her new city about an hr away from my wife and I.  It is something wonderful to 
explore the historic and cultural areas surrounding her residence as a young 
homeowner in Beer City USA Grand Rapids MI.  Unfortunately her new husband who 
is perfect in so many ways has a complete dislike of riding bikes.  The silver 
lining is I still get regular rides with my adult daughter

Long story short;  why do I not ever see these great bikes for sale.  The 
Cheviot is a masterful minor upgrade it am shocked more Betty riders have not 
made an upgrade:  is it the brilliant color and paint job, a loyal connection 
between rider and bike, or the perception that the longer chain stays are not 
enough of a change to make the switch?

Just curious.
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] 31.8 Quill Stems

[Mike K.]

FWIW, I’m using the Origin8 quill stem and love it. But I did consider the 
threadless stem with the adapter. Went with the 31.8 quill because of price, 
but the stem+adapter combo is still in the table if I think I need more height. 

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[RBW] Re: Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Philip, a begenning tent recommendation is somewhat like someone asking for a 
begenning bike recommendation. Sardonic grin.

First, borrow one from someone if you can. You’ll learn a lot about what you 
like and don’t like and why. Of course the risk is you break it you buy it and 
you may not want it.

If you just want protection from dew/frost and light rain, a tarp is all you 
need. Go uber elite with the tarp and add a trekking pole to one corner and 
three stakes to the others and it’ll do well even in a moderate downpoor. Cheep 
and light, but also airy (problimatic in colder weather) and buggy (both 
crawlies and airborn). This is likely the least expensive way to go for a test 
tent system and any quality ripstop medium weight nylon tarp will work from 
your local surplus store. Or just bring the fly from you big tent. Grin.

Hammock camping is well worth trying, but set ups vary and if the temp drops 
below 40 you need insulative layers under/outside the hammock. Not all sites 
allow hammocks or have the trees they require, but they are wonderful in treed, 
sloped areas that are uncampable by tent.

Tents: Until you know you are wanting to do this often in varying conditions 
regardless of weather forecast, you will learn a lot with a Walmart equivilant 
or el-cheepo Campmore or REI bargain 1-2 person tent. Avoid the ultralight 
tents untill you know you want to spend a lot for a tent that any real weather 
will shred around you when it matters. No need to buy a pricy tent yet. Most 
work just as well/poorly as the el-cheepos.

Once you know you are dumb enough to go camping regardless of the weather and 
since you are biking a 3.5 pound tent that sets up easily (you pitch the fly 
and the tent is already pitched inside. Brilliant.) and dry inside even if you 
packed it wet and stands up to any weather, any season, any continent, buy a 
Hilliberg Akto. Need shade on a hot day? Push the inner tent to the side and 
you have a covered and breezy porch. A bit like my raingear quest leading to 
the ultimate answer in ventile, I tried way too many tents before I caved and 
tried Hilleberg the Tentmaker and on the first trip wished I’d bought the right 
tent from the start.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Philip Williamson]

I’m kicking off the new year by trying some bike camping. 
I’ll either schlep the heavy tent I got for the Riv Jamboree, or invest in a 
bike-campable one. A reasonable beginner tent recommendation would be 
appreciated. I have the tent and pad, flip-flops and towel. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[WETH]

Stephen,
So glad you are riding the heck out of that great bike.  You have it looking 
great!
For others, I bought Stephen’s 650b 56cm Hunq this summer after he sized up to 
a 58cm.  I thought it only right when it was time to release the 60cm Cheviot 
to give him the chance to buy it.  In addition to wonderful bikes, Riv has 
introduced this group and its members into my life.  What great gifts.  
All the best,
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Eric Daume]

These pictures make me miss my Cheviot. It’s a surprisingly lively ride,
and as a tall guy, I love that huge head tube.

Don’t miss the brakes, though. V brakes and discs point out the flexy
weakness in those long reach brakes. Does Riv still have spare canti forks?
Hmm.

Eric

On Thursday, January 17, 2019, ian m  wrote:

> I've never really been a fan of wood fenders on a bike, something about it
> just rubs me the wrong way. But I gotta say the Family Truckster comparison
> really won me over and I'm a big fan of this Chev
>
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 10:49:56 PM UTC-5, Stephen W. wrote:
>>
>> Howdy y'all,
>> So I went ahead and got my hands on a 60cm Cheviot, picked it up from
>> a group member,Erl, (believe he goes by WETH...Thanks Erl!). I had my eye
>> on the brown-green-bronze sheep bike since stumbling across Rivendell a few
>> years ago but didn't pull the trigger back when the bronze moss was offered
>> because a Hunqapillar was calling my name a little bit louder. I like green
>> bikes; don't judge. 😉 To me, the Cheviut exudes "Hippie-grandpa-coolness".
>> I had heard that the ride was comparable to floating on a cloud while
>> wearing a Snuggie and eating cotton candy; now I don't know about that but
>> this sucker is smooth as all get out...smooth and comfy and responsive and
>> quick and cushy and awesome. That's my unbiased opinion of the Rivendell
>> Cheviot. Mic drop. ✌
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Stephen
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[RBW] Re: Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[Pancake]

Should work now, oops:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-2zBoYVScBApm9PO7Ym0_BgB8bg6CKxZ

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[Ed Carolipio]

Hey Pancake, I got curious about your setup and clicked the link but that 
folder is private. Just checking if you meant to do that. (If so, I'll send 
a separate request for permission to view.)

Thanks again for sharing.

--Ed C.

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 5:00:17 PM UTC-8, Pancake wrote:
>
> Didn’t cross the cables, here’s the final result (switched from Boscos to 
> Dirt Drop bars): 
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-2zBoYVScBApm9PO7Ym0_BgB8bg6CKxZ 
>
> This was my first time using twine and it was really just practice; I’ll 
> swap to Newbaum’s tape after I confirm that the levers are where I like. 
>

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[RBW] Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[Pancake]

Didn’t cross the cables, here’s the final result (switched from Boscos to Dirt 
Drop bars):

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-2zBoYVScBApm9PO7Ym0_BgB8bg6CKxZ

This was my first time using twine and it was really just practice; I’ll swap 
to Newbaum’s tape after I confirm that the levers are where I like. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Self-diagnosed Riv addicts (some) since 1994.

[Ed Fausto]

Not yet, seems its more likely to be 26 with the upcoming Gus. :-)

> On 17 Jan 2019, at 1:00 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> Oops - 25 bikes - does that cross the line into hoarding?
> 
>> On Friday, January 11, 2019 at 3:04:16 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>> 10 Rivendells plus Rivendell Custom on order. 23 bikes total. Just me.
>> 
>> Laing
>> Cocoa, FL
>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[Adam in Indiana]

I've got my Sam set up as a 1x, and I still routed the shifter (11sp bar-end) 
to the left side of the downtube, then crossed it over to the proper channel 
under the bottom bracket en route to the derailer.  It just makes for a more 
natural cable routing, I feel...and helps with paint rub.



On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 10:05:28 AM UTC-5, Pancake wrote:
> Is this summary correct?:
> 
> Standard routing is not to cross the cables. Keeps them short.
> 
> But crossing them is an acceptable alternative that increases housing length 
> a little, while possible avoiding some frame rub. May require tinkering under 
> the downtube where the cables cross back for certain frames. 
> 
> Thanks for the fast replies. I’ll finish up my handlebars today. Loads of 
> rain so no test ride likely, but it’ll be very nice to have the bike back in 
> operating order! First bar-end, dropbar assembly for me. I’ll start with 
> regular cork tape while testing out where I like the bars/levers, then 
> Newbaum’s and clear shellac by April. 
> 
> Thanks again,
> Abe

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[RBW] Re: Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Reed Kennedy]

Also in +1! Willow and I are planning to make this our first tandem
campout! Quite stoked. (See what I did there?)


Reed

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:26 PM  wrote:

> BUMP! Who's getting ready for some early season bike camping action?
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 8:45:36 AM UTC-8, irvin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It's time for the 4th Annual Super Bowl Campout Weekend (RECAP: 2016
>> , 2017
>> , 2018
>> )
>>
>> Grabbed the Spring Lake Group Campsite
>>  in
>> Santa Rosa this year.
>>
>>
>>- Let's meet at Larkspur Ferry Terminal at 10am on *Saturday February
>>2nd, 2019*
>>
>>- Here are your options:
>>
>>- Meet me at 8am at the Golden Gate Bridge and we'll bike 13 miles to
>>   the Larkspur Ferry Terminal to meet with everyone
>>
>>   - or you can drive and park at Larkspur Ferry Terminal
>>   
>>
>>   - East Bay peepz can take a bus from El Cerrito BART to San Rafael
>>   
>> 
>>  and
>>   then bike over to Larkspur Ferry Terminal
>>
>>   - From Larkspur, we'll ride to Santa Rosa:
>>   https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29100475
>>
>>
>>- North Bay peepz can take the SMART train to downtown Santa Rosa
>>
>>
>>- Or you can just drive to Spring Lake Regional Group Campsite (let
>>me know, since there's only 10 parking passes)
>>
>>
>>- How many people can fit at the campsite? A LOT
>> (actually 75, so please
>>RSVP via e-mail or Facebook Event
>>)
>>
>>- Bring $5 - $10 cash for the campsite >Youtube Clip> 
>>
>>
>> If there's rain in forecast (week prior) = possible postponement,
>> otherwise, cya there!
>>
>>
>> - Irving
>> SF, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Irving]

BUMP! Who's getting ready for some early season bike camping action?

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 8:46:40 AM UTC-8, Irving wrote:
>
> It's time for the 4th Annual Super Bowl Campout Weekend (RECAP: 2016 
> , 2017 
> , 2018 
> )  
>
> Grabbed the Spring Lake Group Campsite 
>  in 
> Santa Rosa this year.
>
>
>- Let's meet at Larkspur Ferry Terminal at 10am on *Saturday February 
>2nd, 2019*
>
>- Here are your options:
>
>- Meet me at 8am at the Golden Gate Bridge and we'll bike 13 miles to 
>   the Larkspur Ferry Terminal to meet with everyone 
>   
>   - or you can drive and park at Larkspur Ferry Terminal 
>   
>   
>   - East Bay peepz can take a bus from El Cerrito BART to San Rafael 
>   
> 
>  and 
>   then bike over to Larkspur Ferry Terminal
>   
>   - From Larkspur, we'll ride to Santa Rosa: 
>   https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29100475  
>   
>
>- North Bay peepz can take the SMART train to downtown Santa Rosa 
>
>
>- Or you can just drive to Spring Lake Regional Group Campsite (let me 
>know, since there's only 10 parking passes)  
>
>
>- How many people can fit at the campsite? A LOT 
> (actually 75, so please 
>RSVP via e-mail or Facebook Event 
>)
>
>- Bring $5 - $10 cash for the campsite Clip>    
>
>
> If there's rain in forecast (week prior) = possible postponement, 
> otherwise, cya there!
>
>
> - Irving
> SF, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Well, I’m excited FOR you. The Cheviot would be just the thing, I think, but 
I’ve got a Betty so no good excuse - I will live vicariously through you folks! 
Such a beautiful, useful bike; it looks romantic and nostalgic but still a 
tough little steed. I hope you ride the wheels off it and report back here. Why 
everyone doesn’t own a Rivendell mixte, I’ll never know. So happy for you.
Leah

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[RBW] Re: Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[ian m]

I've never really been a fan of wood fenders on a bike, something about it 
just rubs me the wrong way. But I gotta say the Family Truckster comparison 
really won me over and I'm a big fan of this Chev

On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 10:49:56 PM UTC-5, Stephen W. wrote:
>
> Howdy y'all, 
> So I went ahead and got my hands on a 60cm Cheviot, picked it up from 
> a group member,Erl, (believe he goes by WETH...Thanks Erl!). I had my eye 
> on the brown-green-bronze sheep bike since stumbling across Rivendell a few 
> years ago but didn't pull the trigger back when the bronze moss was offered 
> because a Hunqapillar was calling my name a little bit louder. I like green 
> bikes; don't judge. 😉 To me, the Cheviut exudes "Hippie-grandpa-coolness". 
> I had heard that the ride was comparable to floating on a cloud while 
> wearing a Snuggie and eating cotton candy; now I don't know about that but 
> this sucker is smooth as all get out...smooth and comfy and responsive and 
> quick and cushy and awesome. That's my unbiased opinion of the Rivendell 
> Cheviot. Mic drop. ✌ 
>
> Best, 
>
> Stephen 

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[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[cclivesay]

I’m starting to feel like Bart Simpson in the episode when he doesn’t have a 
pocket knife - “I just saved this man’s life, and it’s all thanks to my trusty 
Cheviot”

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[RBW] Re: How to select a Brooks saddle

[John Phillips]

   Has anyone measured the width & length of their Cambium C19? Brooks says 
all versions of the C19 are 275mm long & 184mm wide.

I was about to order the All Weather Carved C19 after reading some people 
found carved version to be a bit more comfortable, but I wasn't sure if my 
sit bones would fit between the rivets.  Then I remembered I had one of the 
older original C19's sitting somewhere in the closet. So I dug it out, sat 
on it and tested where my sit bones were, then I measured the distance 
between the rivets, the overall width and overall length. 

My C19 is 176mm wide and 270mm long, not the 184mm wide and 275mm long 
listed on the Brooks England website.

So, could anyone tell me what the actual dimensions of the new All Weather 
version of the C19 actually are?

Maybe I'm just cranky today, and this doesn't amount to a hill of beans, 
but if the All Weather C19's are even less wide, I'd like to know before I 
order one.

Thanks much,
John

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen on Shell Ridge

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I undersand, Phil. I’m talking spreading them out over years. Grin. But, if it 
is truly a buy one to do it all, that’d be the Atlantis. The AHH and Boots are 
nearly on opposite sides of the spectrum, with Boots pushing the spectrum 
farther into the hillybike than the Hunqapillar or Bomba.

I own a Quickbeam (somewhat equivilant to an AHH on the spectrum) and Hunqabeam 
(Hunqapillar converted to Quickbeam dropouts to also be fixed). QB’s fantastic 
for all terrains, though it is underbiking on singletrack and very underbiking 
on technical singletrack. For me, it doesn’t take a touring load with enough 
stability I’m comfortable (but I’m uber picky about that), and I wouldn’t take 
it bikepacking. Hunqa’s brilliant for everything very similar to the Atlantis 
in that respect, though on the stouter side and great for bikepacking, though 
bikepacking technical singletrack (like the Colorado Trail) is underbiking. If 
I had to choose one, it’d be the Hunqa, as it does everything including 
bikepacking.

And that’s my dilemma with Boots. Can I justify it? Hunqabeam is 90% there in 
terms of what a custom bikepacking bike would be for me, the Boots near 100%. 
Can I justify the expense with a family of six and an aging septic sized for 
two, just for greater ground clearence, fatter tires, and longer chainstays? 
The decision point is approaching! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen on Shell Ridge

[phil k]

When one has finite amount of $ its hard to justify both. Especially if one 
wants to buy complete from Riv.

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Phil said: “Torn betwen the GBW & the AHH.” 
>
> Not hard to justify both, let alone either. No decision to be made, except 
> perhaps which one to buy first. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Bikepacking 27.5+ v. 29+

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Next question for those with fattish tire experience: differences in rollover 
and gearing/effort for 27.5 and 29 in the 2.8” width.

Context, if it’s not immediately obvious: Boots. I fit either the large (27.5) 
or xl (29). Application is bikepacking and daily riding, 1/3 each on average 
paved, dirt, singletrack. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen on Shell Ridge

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Phil said: “Torn betwen the GBW & the AHH.”

Not hard to justify both, let alone either. No decision to be made, except 
perhaps which one to buy first. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Cheviut? More like Chevi-awesome. Amiright?

[lambbo]

Welcome to the chlub!   In my experience, you'll only start loving it more.  
Perfect bike. 

The sparkly green in incredible, an all-time great, tho the new Dark Sage gives 
it a run for its money!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[Pancake]

Is this summary correct?:

Standard routing is not to cross the cables. Keeps them short.

But crossing them is an acceptable alternative that increases housing length a 
little, while possible avoiding some frame rub. May require tinkering under the 
downtube where the cables cross back for certain frames. 

Thanks for the fast replies. I’ll finish up my handlebars today. Loads of rain 
so no test ride likely, but it’ll be very nice to have the bike back in 
operating order! First bar-end, dropbar assembly for me. I’ll start with 
regular cork tape while testing out where I like the bars/levers, then 
Newbaum’s and clear shellac by April. 

Thanks again,
Abe

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen on Shell Ridge

[phil k]

Thanks for these pics Olivier. Now I'm seriously considering one of these. 
Torn betwen the GBW & the AHH.

-Phil

On Tuesday, January 15, 2019 at 10:24:12 PM UTC-5, Olivier Chételat wrote:
>
> Friends of the finest steel bikes,
> I was lucky enough to get my hands on a prototypical Gus Boots Willsen 
> last Saturday and took it for a short ride to Shell Ridge on the flanc of 
> Mt Diablo.
>
> This specimen was the large. A perfect fit (89.5 PBH). I tried the small 
> one and felt cramped. The medium and XL were surprisingly almost as comfy, 
> yet the large is the one that makes me feel at home. The ride, on the easy 
> trail upon which I traveled, was as smooth as smooth can be and I'll 
> attribute that to the generous 2.8" tires and confidence inspiring 
> geometry. Summarized, GBW feels as good as any other model  but with the 
> biggest, cushiest, pillowy-est tires I've tried on a Rivendell bike. Very 
> good.
>
>
> Here are a few pictures of the machine in its natural habitat: 
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskMbBJc6
>
> Happy (almost) New Year!
>
> Olivier in SF
>
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Re: [RBW] Waterford Series 22

[Dave Grossman]

Those stack and reach numbers look great.  Sounds like a great all day 
rider.


On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 3:04:32 PM UTC-6, Randall Rupp wrote:
>
> That's the diagram from the original frame owner, I run it now with a 
> saddle height of 74cm (83 PBH) and bars are even.
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 3:57 PM Randall Rupp  > wrote:
>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2014-11-25 at 5.14.28 PM.png]
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:00 PM Max S > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lovely bike. Any more geometry details?.. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne dropbar, bar-ends: Cross shifter housings then cables?

[hugh flynn]

I don't remember when I first learned about the cross in front/recross
under the downtube method but yeah, if you are looking for ways to minimize
paint rub, it's a  good option.

As noted below, under tube bottle mounts can get in the way, but that
varies by bike. On one frame, I had to add spacers under the cage to keep
the cables from hitting it, but that was a simple fix. You definitely want
to make sure there's nothing hitting/obstructing the cables. Other than
that, never had an issue with it.

Hugh "criss-cross" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:31 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I've done that on bikes with drops and bar-ends when possible, to protect
> the frame. It is not conventional practice, but neither right nor wrong.
> Did it on my A. H. Hilsen and indexing seemed a little problematic with
> socket head water bottle bolts in the down tube, underside braze-ons. The
> shifting wires rubbed them.
>
> I've replaced them with domed, button heads. The problem would likely
> return with anything I mounted on the underside of the down tube.
>
> Note that mine is a Toyo and the MIT bikes appear to have their down tube
> cable stops much closer to 6:00 on the tube rather than 3:00 and 9:00. That
> could work better.
>
> If I revert to the usual cabling convention I'll put transparent
> helicopter tape on the lower part of the head tube where rubbing would
> occur.
>
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley
> (Need to go look at my AHH braze-ons to check positioning!)
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 11:14:00 PM UTC-8, Pancake wrote:
>>
>> Looks like the prebuilt Hillborne with dropbar and bar-end sfifters has
>> the cable housings cross in front of the headtube, then the cables cross
>> again under the downtube. But my assumption was not to cross them at all.
>> Right shift cable stays on the right, same for left.
>>
>> Is one way right or is it a form vs. function sort of thing? My only
>> guess is it may avoid rubbing the headtube?
>>
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