Re: [RBW] Model/Size Recommendations for PBH 82ish -- In between sizes

[jamison brosseau]

I ride a 59 Clem l and have an 89 PBH.  The seatpost looks fine.  I think a 52 
Clem would be perfect for you if your PBH is 82.  The amount of seat post 
showing would be fine.  I really think a 59 would be too big for you.

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Re: [RBW] Off Topic: Questions about MacBook Pro, external monitor, heat, and screen burn-in

[Peter White]

Curiously, my Mac Pro, the little grey cylinder version, recently started
acting up. Both video and audio get choppy. Only fix is to reboot. I did
find two bits of software that have helped. "Macs Fan Control" monitors
internal temperatures and adjusts the fan speed. "DriveDX" monitors drive
temperatures and spits out a report of drive condition. I still get the
problem but instead of having to reboot daily it's now every three days or
so. I did a partial strip down and cleaning of the computer two weeks ago,
clearing out a lot of dust. Next weekend I'll do a more thorough strip down
and cleaning.

I suspect that unless the computer is kept in one of those "clean rooms"
they make computer chips in, you're going to get dust inside, and that dust
is going to prevent adequate cooling of the system.

Peter White

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 5:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks, Peter. Several possibly related matters:
>
> I do more or less sophisticated word processing with multiple windows and
> documents, and often have multiple search windows open in addition. Laptop
> sits on hard desk surface with cables to power, peripherals. 2014 high-end
> Macbook Pro, latest OS and Office  4K 42" gaming screen, old Laserjet, plug
> in or blue tooth keyboard, and wireless mouse, with auto backup drive, in
> case these details are useful.
>
> 1. My 2014 MacBook Pro has been shutting down more frequently -- 1,
> possibly 2 times/week perhaps instead of never -- recently, mid-use, when I
> have several windows open, usually multiple Google screens but sometimes
> with multiple Word screens. I often -- not nec always -- hear the fan
> running fast; and IIRC, this happens when the computer is asleep -- either
> timed out or after I close the lid. No other problems with the computer
> (well, except the occasional but separate/independent mid-use shutdown of
> my big 4K external monitor).
>
> 2. From Google, some people say that running a MBPro with lid closed (I
> often just use the big monitor) can cause the computer to heat up unduly;
> and heat of course can make the laptop shut down.
>
> 3. I can simply keep the laptop lid open, but then others on Google talk
> of screen burn in.
>
> So, questions:
>
> 1. Shutdown: Heat, or some other culprit? I read of resetting the SMC but
> from fan noise I wonder if it's a heating problem.
>
> 2. Will running the MacBook with lid closed cause it to heat up materially
> more than with lid open?
>
> 3. Is the LED (I think that's the type) screen really susceptible to "burn
> in"?
>
> 4. If so, is there a way to turn off laptop screen without turning off
> external monitor? (I've looked and not found one.)
>
> 5. I have been keeping the MacBook running 24/7 on mains power, plugged in
> to peripherals, just setting it to Sleep after 10 minutes of inactivity. Is
> this bad? Suggestions for better?
>
> Many thanks for your help!
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 2:17 PM Peter White  wrote:
>
>> I've been struggling with computers for 30 years. How can I help?
>>
>> PJW
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 3:49 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you are interested, please contact me off list. Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Riv content: Use MacBook Pro to post to RBW list.
>>>
>>> (Have Googled; still questions.)
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
>>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>>> ---
>>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
>>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
>>> Other professional writing services
>>> Expensive! But good.
>>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
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[RBW] Re: Off Topic: Questions about MacBook Pro, external monitor, heat, and screen burn-in

[REC (Roberta)]

I don't know about macs, just PCs. I use my laptop PC similarly and had 
similar issues.  Notes are from my head, not looking directly at my 
machine. 

I propped up the entire machine, at least an inch, on all four corners, on 
a hard surface, with nothing around it that would impede airflow.  The more 
airfow, the better.  Clean, or get cleaned, the insides.  I'd bet this is 
the issue, since you recently got a new pooch.  On my PC, I got into the 
display setup area and chose presentation option.  Then in the power mode, 
I changed the internal monitor to never display and for the hard drive to 
never go off.  If you don't have that, how about turning the screen 
brightness down as low as possible and open the lid as little as possible.  

I'll be in town tomorrow and can stop by the Apple store and ask them.  The 
geniuses there are usually very knowledgeable .

Roberta 

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 6:43:49 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> A) Super OT
>
> B) On late-2013 production MacBook Pros, the vents are on the underside
>
> C) Prop up the back end of the laptop up with something that lifts it at 
> least 1/4" higher, away from the vents
>
> D) If you have pets you have dirty fans; bring it to a service center if 
> you plan on keeping it running for the next year or two (or 10, since this 
> is iBOB)
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Waterford Homer

[Reid Echols]

Sold, folks. Another Riv headed up north. 

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Re: [RBW] Off Topic: Questions about MacBook Pro, external monitor, heat, and screen burn-in

[Bill Schairer]

I am not an expert but here are my thoughts:
1.  You are kind of pushing the computer beyond its expected life, especially 
the hard drive
2.  My sister recently was having issues with her Mac laptop and had the 
battery replaced, which seemed to address her problems.  I have no idea whether 
an aging battery can affect performance even when the computer is plugged in.
3.  I was having similar issues with my aging iMac.  Rather than buy a new 
computer, I took it in, had it cleaned, replaced the hard drive with a solid 
state drive and doubled the memory.  It was about half the cost of new computer 
and I figured if I got another 2 or 3 years out of it it would be worth the 
cost.  It was like a brand new computer when I got it back.  I think I am right 
about at that 2 or 3 year mark and it is starting to act up again.  I’ll 
continue to push it for a while yet but am recognizing the moment of truth is 
not too far off.
4.  The latest and greatest OS and software are designed around the latest and 
greatest hardware.  Even if they can be run with the older hardware, 
performance will probably suffer.  This is based strictly upon experience and 
not any technical knowledge.
5.  For whatever it is worth, Word was and is the software that is most 
problematic for me and I am not a heavy Word user.  Everytime I open it up, I 
regret it wishing I had opened the document on my ipad instead.  The guys who 
serviced my Mac (authorized service rep) told me that Word is an 
extraordinarily heavy app.  It is complete overkill for me but sounds like a 
necessity for you.  Seems that could be deciding factor between service or new.

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report, Brothers in CA

[lambbo]

Doug, those sound like some excellent trips - next time!  Biking the 1 to 
Big Sur, which is such beautiful drive, would be at the top of my list.  

I didn't get out to Walnut Creek as it was a 4 day turnaround with 3 days 
on the bike, but I've been before and it's everything I'd hoped it would 
be.  I really want to ride the Gus tho and was hoping I could then.   But, 
on the other hand, I was just out on the very very muddy trails around 
Prospect Park yesterday (some mud had thawed in the sunlight, others frozen 
in deep ridges fun to navigate) and I was on my Cheviot with Compass 
Stielacooms...it was SO fun.  My point being, I have enough Gus in my 
Cheviot to get me around. 



On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 5:45:47 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Glad you had such a wonderful trip.  Now it sounds like you're hooked.  
> What you rode, while excellent, gives you a taste of the riding available 
> in that area.  One of my all time favorite rides is Crescent City to San 
> Francisco.  Takes roughly a week, depending on individual taste in pacing, 
> and features plenty of jaw dropping views.  San Francisco to San Luis 
> Obispo via the Big Sur Coast is an extremely close second.  Both of those 
> require some camping.  
>
> While you were in the bay area, did you get to RBWHQ in Walnut Creek?  
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 7:40:02 PM UTC-8, lambbo wrote:
>>
>> For years now I've been ogling the photos shared here of rides in the SF 
>> area, and thinking about how I could make my way out there with a Rivendell 
>> to do some climbing and have ocean views and not freeze to death...an 
>> escape from Brooklyn was necessary.  
>> In early December I asked the group for suggestions on a 3 day loop from 
>> SF heading north... I was finally planning a trip out to see my brother and 
>> have a little adventure.  
>> There were lots of options, and we took a bit from a number of routes the 
>> list shared; we started by taking the ferry to Vallejo and continuing up to 
>> St.Helena, then heading up and over to Tomales, and finally back to SF 
>> along rt. 1.
>>
>> A week before the ride I went around to some local bike shops and 
>> eventually, at 718 Cycles, found a bike box to pack my Roadini into for the 
>> flight. I've never done this, but I'm an artist and have packed a lot of 
>> artwork, so I approached it like that...foam and zip-ties all around.  I 
>> also watched a Rinko video by Jan Heine, which was really useful.   I have 
>> the MKS Rinko pedal system on my Roadini, which made packing and setting 
>> back up that much easier (being able to pop the pedals off without a wrench 
>> is also great for saving space in the hallway to our apartment).  Alaskan 
>> Air took it as a checked bag for no extra fee! When I arrived, I pulled the 
>> bike out of the box, put the bars, wheels, and seat back on, popped on my 
>> pedals, and was off in under 10 minutes! 
>>
>> My brother is in better shape than I am, and rides a delightfully light 
>> weight Cad12 aluminum road machine, so I knew we would need to plan the 
>> trip with days short enough that I could handle the climbing, and that he 
>> could stay comfortable his plastic saddle. I only have a small saddlesac 
>> for my Roadini, and my bro has a small RoadRunner bag, so we decided not to 
>> camp.  Short credit card tour; there are definitely folks who have ridden 
>> this exact route, about 150 miles, in one day. But we wanted to have fun 
>> and hang out, which we did!
>>
>> 1 
>> We started with 48 easy, relatively flat, miles on day one, keeping a 
>> comfortable 16 mph average and just enjoying the beautiful warmth and new 
>> surroundings as we cruised up the not-so pretty Nappy-Vallejo Highway for 
>> some less comfortable but still beautiful miles (lots of traffic, none of 
>> it cyclists) before getting onto the Silverado Trail, which really was 
>> incredible.  Less traffic and many little side roads to explore, most 
>> leading to spectacular vineyards.  We stayed on this route until 
>> 'Zinfendel', essentially the outskirts of St Helena, where we had our 
>> little B&B.  After chatting with the groundskeeper for a while, who gave us 
>> a bottle of the owner's wine, we ditched our bikes and went into town, and 
>> had one of the best pasta dishes I've ever had anywhere in the world 
>> (Spaghetti with a parmesan-broth sauce over meatballs) and some stellar 
>> wine.  I understand now why people go to Napa. 
>>
>> 2 
>> The next day it was raining, but we were prepared with rain-kit.  I 
>> should point out that I'm a wool-sweater, cotton t-shirt kind of rider, I 
>> don't usually go for 'kit', but my brother is into it and, partly in 
>> excitement about this trip, got me a Rapha winter jacket, and I got myself 
>> a Rapha rain jacket (both on 60% off), and combined with my Rapha bib 
>> shorts which I always wear on long rides, I was really 

Re: [RBW] NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Elton Pope-Lance]

 Hi Jeremy,

That sounds like fun.  I am coming in from FL to attend the show and see my son 
(who lives on I St.) and attend the show.  If I can manage to get to your place 
on Saturday morning, I shall be there.  Otherwise, come by the Rivet booth and 
say hi.  I’ll be there much, but not all, of the show helping my friend Deb 
Banks.

Elton Pope-Lance
Vero Beach, FL



> On Feb 19, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> NAHBS is once again in my town this year (Sacramento) so I thought I'd host a 
> little get together for people on the iBOB and Rivendell Owner's Bunch lists. 
> Like Rob Perks did in 2016, I'm doing it as a morning coffee time on Saturday 
> morning, which is when I figure most people will be attending the show. The 
> details: 
> 
> What: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Coffee Get-Together and Garage Sale
> When: Saturday, March 16 9-10:30 a.m. 
> Where: My garage and driveway, in the Land Park neighborhood of Sacramento, 
> 1.8 miles from the Convention Center where NAHBS is being held. In the 
> interests of not posting my home address online, if you are interested in 
> coming, please RSVP to me and I will send you my address directly. 
> 
> As the title says, in keeping with the Marie Kondo craze and the interest of 
> downsizing my parts collection, I'm hosting it at my place and will be 
> throwing a garage sale at the same time. Basically anything that's not 
> already on a complete bike will be up for grabs at what I hope are 
> "everything must go" prices. It's an eclectic collection but includes various 
> flared drop bars, a 7spd Nexus wheel/shifter, a few bags from Riv and VO, 
> Time ATAC pedals, some SKS fenders, etc. 
> 
> I'll have a couple of boxes of hot coffee from local roasters Temple Coffee 
> and maybe some donuts and/or pastries as well. Feel free to bring some treats 
> to share, or if you want to show off your coffee outside setup feel free to 
> brew up on the driveway. If there's interest as things are winding down, I 
> can lead a "scenic route" ride of 45 mins - 1 hour starting from my place and 
> ending at the convention center for the show.  
> 
> Hope to see you there!
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[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Waterford Homer

[Dave Grossman]

Gone to Ryan's Tall Bike Emporium!


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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[ascpgh]

Important difference here, a GPS is direct satellite navigation. Any smartphone 
app is triangulation beteween cellular provider towers which are line of sight. 

Cell phone based navigation is great if you are in such fortunate locations to 
be with service bars enough to keep that connection. GPS is more robust when 
you leave the areas of cell tower coverage, be that by distance into sparse 
population areas, away from interstates or into terrain so up and down that 
cell service “shadows” break coverage. 

Know that GPS is somewhat line of sight as well, they are susceptible to signal 
degradation by heavy overhead foliage (springtime when leaves are pulpy and 
growing fast or wet from recent dew, rain) and atmospheric phenomenon between 
you on the ground and the satellites. The scene in Lone Survivor when Lt. Mike 
Murphy leaves cover to go out on an open rock area to make the satellite phone 
call for help demonstrated the same problem. These signal degradations always 
seem to coincide with the moments you usually have the greatest need for 
navigation or location advice. 

If you really want to maintain navigational awareness you may have to keep 
cellular or GPS based device information backed up with real map. Reporters 
here represent each of these ways to navigate, Patrick says he uses several 
(for contingency) which I practice myself. Many places I ride haven’t enough 
cellular coverage to provide continuous information. Don’t put your eggs in one 
basket as the consequences increase. Missing a turn in your own town is one 
thing but losing your way when circumstances have become more critical is 
another. 

I navigate the GAP trail by cyclometer using a crude set of mileage cues and 
related locations I tape to my water bottle. I am continuously aware of where I 
am along my travels, even in the dark zones to both cellular service and 
satellite by obscured overhead radio visibility. The trail is an unmistakable 
linear feature across a map(s). At those incremental trailheads or landmarks I 
can find support needs or services from a map or by phone as coverage usually 
exists at those locations. I don’t need to be running either my phone or a GPS 
for my continuous location that way. It even shows on Google maps so I don’t 
need much more complexity or paid services for accurate location 
identification. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Andy, iPhones (and I believe most smartphones now?) have had satelite GPS 
that works great even where there is no mobile signal for quite a few years 
now. As with all GPS, it works best with clear view of the sky, as it also uses 
triangulation to get greater precision, so canyons, dense forest, deep valleys, 
and other geographies can monkey with it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Drw]

Thanks for all of this. It sounds like the Wahoo also needs maps downloaded 
ahead of time, or via a synced smartphone.  Is that accurate?  I think i'll 
probably do the gaia free trial and see if i like it. My phone is 
constantly telling me i have no storage left, so im a little worried about 
downloads. As far as paper maps go, i understand their necessity, but im 
really looking for something that can tell me if a 5 mile ride down a steep 
hill is gonna end in a dead end that ill have to hike the bike out of, or 
if its gonna lead me to something cool/another trail/etc. 

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

DRW said: “im really looking for something that can tell me if a 5 mile ride 
down a steep hill is gonna end in a dead end that ill have to hike the bike out 
of, or if its gonna lead me to something cool/another trail/etc.”

This entirely depends on the accuracy of the map, be in paper or digital. Both 
have equally been incomplete or flat out wrong for me ... which leads to extra 
adventure! Grin. So, digital isn’t a magic answer, and navigation and exploring 
is always going to be interesting ... otherwise it wouldn’t be exploring! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Adam, That Hillborne is perfect! Bikes like this are exactly what brought 
me to Rivendell. 

Here's one of my favorite pics featuring 3 Rivendells. A ride we took out 
and around Chatfield res a few years ago. A.H.H. - Atlantis - Hillborne 

(26" looks so small!)



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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Maps are already in the Wahoo Elemnt. You can download *routes* via WiFi or 
using your phone, but the maps are already there. 

The maps also cover huge areas—all of North America is one map, for instance. 
More info here:

https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000217964-How-do-I-Update-Maps-on-the-ELEMNT-BOLT-

--Eric Norris
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> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Drw  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all of this. It sounds like the Wahoo also needs maps downloaded 
> ahead of time, or via a synced smartphone.  Is that accurate?  I think i'll 
> probably do the gaia free trial and see if i like it. My phone is constantly 
> telling me i have no storage left, so im a little worried about downloads. As 
> far as paper maps go, i understand their necessity, but im really looking for 
> something that can tell me if a 5 mile ride down a steep hill is gonna end in 
> a dead end that ill have to hike the bike out of, or if its gonna lead me to 
> something cool/another trail/etc. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Jon Dukeman]

Hansome gents they were too. And the bikes were turning heads also.
We should do it again as soon as this arttic blast subsides

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 11:44 AM 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Adam, That Hillborne is perfect! Bikes like this are exactly what brought
> me to Rivendell.
>
> Here's one of my favorite pics featuring 3 Rivendells. A ride we took out
> and around Chatfield res a few years ago. A.H.H. - Atlantis - Hillborne
>
> (26" looks so small!)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

P.S. Just checked, and my Elemnt already has maps of North American and Europe 
installed. If I wanted to go to South America, I would need to remove one of 
those and install a new map. But for 100% of the cycling I plan to do in the 
next few years, I’m covered.

--Eric Norris
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> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:44 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maps are already in the Wahoo Elemnt. You can download *routes* via WiFi or 
> using your phone, but the maps are already there. 
> 
> The maps also cover huge areas—all of North America is one map, for instance. 
> More info here:
> 
> https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000217964-How-do-I-Update-Maps-on-the-ELEMNT-BOLT-
>  
> 
> 
> --Eric Norris
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>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Drw  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for all of this. It sounds like the Wahoo also needs maps downloaded 
>> ahead of time, or via a synced smartphone.  Is that accurate?  I think i'll 
>> probably do the gaia free trial and see if i like it. My phone is constantly 
>> telling me i have no storage left, so im a little worried about downloads. 
>> As far as paper maps go, i understand their necessity, but im really looking 
>> for something that can tell me if a 5 mile ride down a steep hill is gonna 
>> end in a dead end that ill have to hike the bike out of, or if its gonna 
>> lead me to something cool/another trail/etc. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Kevin Mulcahy]

I have an Element. I think it's a *great *bike GPS computer, but navigation 
off piste is not it's strong point, at all. If you're planning your route 
ahead of time (with ridewithGPS), it'll be perfect. But if you're trying to 
wayfind in a remote location, you're going to be SOL. There's no topo info, 
you can't pan/scan in the device, you can't add new routes without a 
companion phone with internet access. In short, improvisation on mtb trails 
or off pavement is hard. The Element displays some, but not all mtb/hiking 
trails. 

When I'm on riding in a remote area, I use the Element in conjunction with 
a companion map app on my phone where I can download maps ahead of time, 
like google maps, MotionX GPS, or Avenza. These apps will place your 
location on your choice of style of map. Having both devices is really 
important if you need to improvise. 

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[RBW] Is Riv Open Today?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Is the store open today? Can’t find hours on the web site.

--Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Totally agree with the mapping issues, although I ride exclusively on roads and 
well-defined off-street bike paths.

However, requiring a smartphone for mapping could be viewed as a feature, not a 
bug. Yes, I have to stop and haul out my phone to map a route to a new 
destination, but in my experience it’s much easier than using the menus in a 
Garmin.

Downside is that you can’t edit the route—ask to find such-and-such a location, 
and it will find what it thinks is the best route. Input that route and divert 
from it, and the Elemnt won’t adjust to keep you heading toward the 
destination. 

--Eric Norris
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> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Kevin Mulcahy  wrote:
> 
> I have an Element. I think it's a great bike GPS computer, but navigation off 
> piste is not it's strong point, at all. If you're planning your route ahead 
> of time (with ridewithGPS), it'll be perfect. But if you're trying to wayfind 
> in a remote location, you're going to be SOL. There's no topo info, you can't 
> pan/scan in the device, you can't add new routes without a companion phone 
> with internet access. In short, improvisation on mtb trails or off pavement 
> is hard. The Element displays some, but not all mtb/hiking trails. 
> 
> When I'm on riding in a remote area, I use the Element in conjunction with a 
> companion map app on my phone where I can download maps ahead of time, like 
> google maps, MotionX GPS, or Avenza. These apps will place your location on 
> your choice of style of map. Having both devices is really important if you 
> need to improvise. 
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[RBW] Is Riv Open Today?

[Justin, Oakland]

They are there usually. It’s not so much a store as a show room with a register 
and a kitchen. 

Call perhaps?

-J

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Ed Carolipio]

My experience with a dedicated GPS (Garmin 810, Garmin GPSMAP 62) for 
biking is they're great for recording your ride and for finding out where 
you are, but are poor in terms of dynamic routing and way finding, even 
with screens and stored map info. (The 810 assumes I'm a car, and routes me 
as one...) I'd always augment the GPS with "something else" like Google 
Maps or ridewithgps.com as other people have noted. I especially like 
Deacon's approach with paper/weatherproof maps for trailblazing in the 
wilderness, which I'd couple with paper, sharpie, and a handlebar clip to 
create route sheets on the fly for trail markers and turnoffs. In the city, 
I take the time to stop and use a smartphone to do the routing, and 
sometimes use Google Streetview to check if a route is too sketchy for a 
bike or if there are pedestrian shortcuts available since, as I said, all 
that dynamic routing software assumes I'm a car.

For the kind of riding you're planning to do, I'd recommend a Garmin 
handheld used for hiking like the eTrex 20 (for something elegant) or the 
GPSMAP 64 (for something that's absolutely bulletproof) coupled with a RAM 
mount (https://www.rammount.com/). (H/T Vikapproved - 
https://vikapproved.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/garmin-etrex-20-review/) These 
can work as bike computers with the mount, and are useful on a hike as 
well. Both have displays that give you a rough idea of where you are 
relative to trails so you can find your "solved" location on a larger paper 
map.

A note on digital maps: I'm not familiar with Wahoo, but stock maps on 
Garmin's hikers are normally low resolution. Map resolution isn't so 
important for road maps but extremely so for topography maps. (In the city, 
most navigation algorithms assume you're going to be on a road.) Garmin 
does have higher resolution maps 
(https://www.garmin.com/en-US/maps/outdoor) for a price beyond the unit - 
kinda cheesy but people recommend to budget for both the unit and the topo 
map of the region you're interested in when shopping. If the extra cost of 
topo maps is an issue, there are open source topo maps available for 
download onto the Garmins - see https://www.gpsfiledepot.com/ - but that 
requires a bit of work and experimentation to get up and running. For road 
maps on the 810, I use an OpenStreetsMap - http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ 
- of my region.

On uploading your rides, for Garmin they have a free site called "Garmin 
Connect" which can be linked to other sites 
(https://connect.garmin.com/en-US/) to record and analyze your rides. I 
upload the rides from my 810 to my Garmin Connect account, then the Garmin 
Connect pushes those out to my Strava and ridewithgps.com accounts 
automagically. The upload can be done via a USB cable on the computer and a 
web browser; alternatively, for models with Bluetooth, that can be done by 
syncing through an app on a smartphone which happens automatically when the 
unit connects to the phone and the phone has a connection to the internet.

--Ed C.

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 6:38:42 PM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>
> I know nothing about garmin things or other things that do mapping for 
> hiking/biking, though I’m moderately tech savvy in other areas of my life. 
> I’m finding myself very overwhelmed by online information 
> I’m looking for something that can: 
>
> -show a map on a screen but not need internet 
> -locate current actual location 
> -show trails as well as paved roads 
> -show elevation 
> -be no larger than a smartphone 
> -be charged via usb 
>
> It would also be cool if it could sync to something in a way that could 
>
> -provide directions in either step by step or linear format. 
> -link to an online history of rides and routes 
>
> Any direction of where to look and what to look at would be appreciated. 

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[RBW] Is Riv Open Today?

[Joe Bernard]

Scroll down for hours. This page needs to be easier to find. 

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/visit-rivendell-bicycle-works

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[RBW] Re: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Jeremy Till]

Hi Neil, 

I hadn't considered inviting others to bring their wares, and my 
garage/driveway space is pretty limited so I don't think I'd be able to do 
it properly, sorry. Would still love you to have you come by!

Thanks,

Jeremy

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 8:44:15 PM UTC-8, Neil Doran wrote:
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> Are you inviting listers to bring their wares to sell/trade? 

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Re: [RBW] NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Reed Kennedy]

Sounds great Jeremy! Some buddies and I are gathering for NAHBS and would
love to come by. Thanks fro hosting!


Reed

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 2:25 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:

> NAHBS is once again in my town this year (Sacramento) so I thought I'd
> host a little get together for people on the iBOB and Rivendell Owner's
> Bunch lists. Like Rob Perks did in 2016, I'm doing it as a morning coffee
> time on Saturday morning, which is when I figure most people will be
> attending the show. The details:
>
> What: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Coffee Get-Together and Garage Sale
> When: Saturday, March 16 9-10:30 a.m.
> Where: My garage and driveway, in the Land Park neighborhood of
> Sacramento, 1.8 miles from the Convention Center where NAHBS is being held.
> In the interests of not posting my home address online, if you are
> interested in coming, please RSVP to me and I will send you my address
> directly.
>
> As the title says, in keeping with the Marie Kondo craze and the interest
> of downsizing my parts collection, I'm hosting it at my place and will be
> throwing a garage sale at the same time. Basically anything that's not
> already on a complete bike will be up for grabs at what I hope are
> "everything must go" prices. It's an eclectic collection but includes
> various flared drop bars, a 7spd Nexus wheel/shifter, a few bags from Riv
> and VO, Time ATAC pedals, some SKS fenders, etc.
>
> I'll have a couple of boxes of hot coffee from local roasters Temple
> Coffee and maybe some donuts and/or pastries as well. Feel free to bring
> some treats to share, or if you want to show off your coffee outside setup
> feel free to brew up on the driveway. If there's interest as things are
> winding down, I can lead a "scenic route" ride of 45 mins - 1 hour starting
> from my place and ending at the convention center for the show.
>
> Hope to see you there!
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[RBW] WTB: Atlantis 50cm, Appaloosa 51, or Cheviot 50/55

[Friend]

I am looking to buy a complete in one of these models.  I am in Virginia. 
 There is an Appaloosa in my area for $1,600 so I am hoping to get cheaper 
than that.

Sincerely,
Your Friend

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