[RBW] BB splines slight small?

[Joe Bernard]

I found a problem on my A/R I've never seen before. I'm trying to remove its 
cartridge BB with what look like the normal 20-spline pattern on Shimano, 
Tange, etc. bottom bracket cups. But two tools I've tried are slightly too big 
in diameter to slide into the splines. Do I need a different tool? 

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[RBW] Tires for Clementine

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I have a 2015 Clementine with the original Kenda tires. I have heard those 
aren’t nice tires and I’m starting to suspect the rumors are true. “Boggy” 
someone once said, and that makes sense to me. 

At any rate, something worse is happening. Every day I come home from the 
school commute and notice black speckles all over my legs, and more on my left 
leg than right. The dots are not like grease - they LOOK like grease but wipe 
off like dust. I took a video of this but think it might be weird to post leg 
videos. At any rate, I suspected the stuff was coming from the chain. Joe 
Bernard told me to get a chain cleaner and get at it, which I did, and now my 
chain is clean but I still have the problem. Roberta asked about my tires. Are 
they flaking off? They don’t appear to be, but I don’t know.

Whatever the problem, doesn’t this seem like a good excuse to get new tires? 

I would love your input here. I want them to be the same fatness (there’s a 
technical term!) that I have now, because I LOVE them and because they fit with 
my fenders. I need puncture resistance. I have a healthy fear of flats and zero 
skills to fix them. I’m telling you I live dangerously. That is all! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[rpeters . vetpath]

That’s a great little video Alex!
 I always knew clawhammer banjo and Rivs would go together like peanut butter 
and jelly...

The pictures sent/posted are all so beautiful and capture the event so well!

Chris and I still are talking about what a lovely time we had on the ride : 
looking forward to the next one - hopefully the banjo and fiddle (and the 
Tolkien Atlantis) will come along again too!

Rachel
Arlington MA


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2019, at 7:14 PM, Bob Ehrenbeck  wrote:
> 
> Love it, Alex -- and the soundtrack is perfect!
> 
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ 
> 
>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 11:48:13 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>> I made my first video with some clips from the ridemusic is courtesy of 
>> Joel Boyer—fellow list member Atlantis captain and excellent human being. 
>> 
>> I had an absolute blast everyone! 
>> 
>> Enjoy ❤️ 
>> 
>> Alex in Rochester 
>> 
>> https://vimeo.com/362335744
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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Love it, Alex -- and the soundtrack is perfect!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 11:48:13 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> I made my first video with some clips from the ridemusic is courtesy 
> of Joel Boyer—fellow list member Atlantis captain and excellent human 
> being. 
>
> I had an absolute blast everyone! 
>
> Enjoy ❤️ 
>
> Alex in Rochester 
>
> https://vimeo.com/362335744

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Clayton.sf]

Been riding 165s on my ss mtb for years and always felt like I had enough 
leverage. 

It is only a ~6% difference in length going from 175 to 165. My breakfast 
likely matters more for leverage.

Nice wide bars on the other hand did feel like an improvement.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've recently been experimenting with 165, 155, 152 and 145 cranks (80-ish 
> PBH). I can't vouch for dirt riding or climbing long monster paved hills, 
> but I detect no leverage difference in general town riding. I rock less on 
> the saddle and it saves my knees, I think shorter is better. 

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Clayton.sf]

Been riding 165s on my SS mtb for years and never felt like I was lacking 
leverage either. It is "only" a ~6% difference in length after all. My 
breakfast likely matters more.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've recently been experimenting with 165, 155, 152 and 145 cranks (80-ish 
> PBH). I can't vouch for dirt riding or climbing long monster paved hills, 
> but I detect no leverage difference in general town riding. I rock less on 
> the saddle and it saves my knees, I think shorter is better. 

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Joe Bernard]

I've recently been experimenting with 165, 155, 152 and 145 cranks (80-ish 
PBH). I can't vouch for dirt riding or climbing long monster paved hills, but I 
detect no leverage difference in general town riding. I rock less on the saddle 
and it saves my knees, I think shorter is better. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem L, orange, w upgrades $1200, size 52

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Who won?!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem L, orange, w upgrades $1200, size 52

[Ado]

Thanks everybody for the interest ,
Sale Pending

Ado



n Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 5:59:41 PM UTC-7, Ado wrote:
> I have a 52 Clem L, orange, 1st batch that I bought for my wife. She have 
> rarely use it cause she have knee problem. Mileage less than 100 miles.
> Original parts except the upgrades below:
> Upgraded with:
> Schwalbe 60 mm G-One, almost new
> Albatross (?) bar
> Rivendell front rack
> Selle Anatomica leather saddle (bought used)
> New Kickstand
> No dent, never crashed
> Some paint chips, mostly on threaded bosses
> I will include the original handlebar and tires.
> Prefer local pick up but willing to ship at buyers expense.
> 
> Ado
> San Jose, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .

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[RBW] WoolyWarm jersey/sweater has been claimed [Cool weather clothing: WoolyWarm outer jersey; lined wool knickers]

[Patrick Moore]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 11:06 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. Original issue WoolyWarm heavy wool sweater, 4-button, 3" crew neck,
> 27.5" bottom of collar to bottom of hem, 22" pit-to-pit.
>
> I guess it's a sort of heathery olive? I'm somewhat color blind and took
> it for brown/gray until someone pointed out the green; not sure how
> dominant the green shade is.
>
> Pretty much as new. I bought it used, wore it regularly for a few winters,
> but it has been hanging in the closet with very little use during the past
> several winters.
>
> No holes, tears, wear apparent to the eye.
>
> $75 shipped Priority CONUS.
>
> 2. Lined wool knickers. Home-altered by pro-level seamstress (me Mum; and
> I'm serious about "pro level") from pair of high-quality, middleweight-wool
> dress pants, lined waist to hem with heavier wool scavenged from another
> pair of higher-end dress pants.
>
> The pockets and waistband lining are stout polycotton, not cheap synthetic.
>
> Charcoal with what my color-dull eyes see as a faint purple stripe, but
> the stripe is very discrete.
>
> Note 3 tightly and strategically placed rear-center belt loops.
>
> Well used, but as with good materials generally, the only sign of wear is
> a bit of shininess in the crotch; the material does feel very slightly
> thinner there, but only very slightly. They'd last me years yet to come.
>
> 34" waist; 21" inseam, 12" from crotch seam to top of waistband -- these
> fit like good dress pants, and I find that perfect for cycling with drop
> bars.
>
> I'm selling these because I plan to have a pair of long pants altered for
> cycling; otherwise they'd be worn again this winter.
>
> $45 shipped Priority CONUS.
>
>
>
> --
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Clayton.sf]

Regarding crank length - I prefer them 165-170. Tried 175 but liked them 
less. Some of it may be what I am used to, although I have zero issues 
switching back and forth from 165 to 170.  I am 6' tall and of average 
proportion. 

Unlike Rivendell, I feel like crank length is a matter of personal 
preference rather than rider height although rider height is likely a good 
starting point. Riding terrain, riding style, and bike matters more than 
rider height IMO. Shorter will always give more relative ground clearance.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA








On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 11:06:16 AM UTC-7, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, and this is the discussion I was looking for.
>
> What I ended up with is the FD-3030 road derailleur when an outer 
> chainring of 46 teeth and up is installed, and an FD-M611 when an outer 
> chainring of 44 teeth or less is installed.  This was more because the 
> geometry of my 51 Homer got the road cage close to the chainstay with a 
> small outer ring.  I mentioned the Riv chainline because it was a “learning 
> experience”.
>
> The reason I went all the way back to the M590 crankset was because it 
> came in enough variations so I could mix and match chainrings.  I’ve never 
> had a 650b bike, and it may take some wearing into shape.  But I have 
> noticed that some 3x9-speed Shimano Deore quality parts are getting rare in 
> the US - like the FD-M591 or the M590 crank.  Also, the “Trekking” sets I 
> mentioned only seem to be available in the EU.
>
> So I broadened the topic to 10-speed.  There is now a raft of 10-speed 
> Hollowtech equipment, so I wondered who was using what.  Longer cranks seem 
> to be getting popular, along with smaller outer chainrings and 2-speed 
> front ends.
> I’ve noticed that as Shimano goes the industry tends to follow, so I want 
> to hear folks’ opinions.
>

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[aeroperf]

Thanks, and this is the discussion I was looking for.

What I ended up with is the FD-3030 road derailleur when an outer chainring 
of 46 teeth and up is installed, and an FD-M611 when an outer chainring of 
44 teeth or less is installed.  This was more because the geometry of my 51 
Homer got the road cage close to the chainstay with a small outer ring.  I 
mentioned the Riv chainline because it was a “learning experience”.

The reason I went all the way back to the M590 crankset was because it came 
in enough variations so I could mix and match chainrings.  I’ve never had a 
650b bike, and it may take some wearing into shape.  But I have noticed 
that some 3x9-speed Shimano Deore quality parts are getting rare in the US 
- like the FD-M591 or the M590 crank.  Also, the “Trekking” sets I 
mentioned only seem to be available in the EU.

So I broadened the topic to 10-speed.  There is now a raft of 10-speed 
Hollowtech equipment, so I wondered who was using what.  Longer cranks seem 
to be getting popular, along with smaller outer chainrings and 2-speed 
front ends.
I’ve noticed that as Shimano goes the industry tends to follow, so I want 
to hear folks’ opinions.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Garth]

  
  I forgive you Steve ... 




On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:
>
>
> On 9/25/19 12:28 PM, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
>   All I can say about front dérailleurs is that I've found that double 
> FD's work on triple cranks much better than triple FD's. 
>
>
> Not universally true*,* I've recently put a Tiagra FD4603F triple on my 
> Weigle, which has a 24/34/46 Herse crank (10 spd SRAM PG1070 12-32 
> cassette).  This particular derailleur seems to be made for gearing just 
> like mine and works amazingly well, better than any of the doubles I've 
> tried.  Previously I had a Tiagra double which worked until the LBS messed 
> with it, and then simply wouldn't work properly any more no matter how they 
> adjusted or bent it, and before that a Campagnolo double that wouldn't 
> shift to the small ring at all and only reluctantly shifted between large 
> and middle.  It's simply bloody amazing how well it works.
>
> Or, use the 10 spd Tiagra FD4603F and be amazed.
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Patrick Moore]

This is an anecdote, if not a prescription.

I made an early Dura Ace 74XX fd work on a Brontrager hollow-pipe triple by
cutting off the little lever stop that limited outward throw. Serendipity
arranged that the new, far greater throw corresponded exactly with the
outer ring limit of the Bontrager crankset.

I now use the DA sans stop on a wide range Logic double, where careful
shifting (easy, in fact) and an large bash guard in the outer ring position
have so far kept the chain from overshooting.

I too like road fds for triples, though I have to say that the last MTB
triple, a 9-speed-era LX, shifted as well as anything else I've used.

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[RBW] Re: Cool weather clothing: WoolyWarm outer jersey; lined wool knickers

[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to add about the knickers: The legs were cut straight across and
hemmed, and velcro straps added (again, pro-level work). The ends of the
legs are not tapered or gusseted.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 11:06 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. Original issue WoolyWarm heavy wool sweater, 4-button, 3" crew neck,
> 27.5" bottom of collar to bottom of hem, 22" pit-to-pit.
>
> I guess it's a sort of heathery olive? I'm somewhat color blind and took
> it for brown/gray until someone pointed out the green; not sure how
> dominant the green shade is.
>
> Pretty much as new. I bought it used, wore it regularly for a few winters,
> but it has been hanging in the closet with very little use during the past
> several winters.
>
> No holes, tears, wear apparent to the eye.
>
> $75 shipped Priority CONUS.
>
> 2. Lined wool knickers. Home-altered by pro-level seamstress (me Mum; and
> I'm serious about "pro level") from pair of high-quality, middleweight-wool
> dress pants, lined waist to hem with heavier wool scavenged from another
> pair of higher-end dress pants.
>
> The pockets and waistband lining are stout polycotton, not cheap synthetic.
>
> Charcoal with what my color-dull eyes see as a faint purple stripe, but
> the stripe is very discrete.
>
> Note 3 tightly and strategically placed rear-center belt loops.
>
> Well used, but as with good materials generally, the only sign of wear is
> a bit of shininess in the crotch; the material does feel very slightly
> thinner there, but only very slightly. They'd last me years yet to come.
>
> 34" waist; 21" inseam, 12" from crotch seam to top of waistband -- these
> fit like good dress pants, and I find that perfect for cycling with drop
> bars.
>
> I'm selling these because I plan to have a pair of long pants altered for
> cycling; otherwise they'd be worn again this winter.
>
> $45 shipped Priority CONUS.
>
>
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Steve Palincsar]

On 9/25/19 12:28 PM, Garth wrote:



  All I can say about front dérailleurs is that I've found that double 
FD's work on triple cranks much better than triple FD's.



Not universally true.  I've recently put a Tiagra FD4603F triple on my 
Weigle, which has a 24/34/46 Herse crank (10 spd SRAM PG1070 12-32 
cassette).  This particular derailleur seems to be made for gearing just 
like mine and works amazingly well, better than any of the doubles I've 
tried.  Previously I had a Tiagra double which worked until the LBS 
messed with it, and then simply wouldn't work properly any more no 
matter how they adjusted or bent it, and before that a Campagnolo double 
that wouldn't shift to the small ring at all and only reluctantly 
shifted between large and middle.  It's simply bloody amazing how well 
it works.



  My Bombadil, which I ride the same as I would any road bike, for 
example, with a Andel 24/36/46 crank, chainline about 46 or so a 
9-speed Shimano Tiagra 4400 double FD shifts swiftly and precise, it's 
simply excellent in every way !  I previously had used a 80's Deore 
MT60, which was slow and not so precise. *Triple cranks with rings in 
the 24-50 teeth range don't need triple FD's, assuming friction 
shifting.* The 4400 FD I'm using could easily handle a wider chainline 
also, as would most any road FD, at least from 9-10 speed and below.


So use a road FD , and you'll grin from ear to ear !



Or, use the 10 spd Tiagra FD4603F and be amazed.

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[RBW] Re: Hollowtech Homer

[Garth]

  All I can say about front dérailleurs is that I've found that double FD's 
work on triple cranks much better than triple FD's.   My Bombadil, which I 
ride the same as I would any road bike, for example, with a Andel 24/36/46 
crank, chainline about 46 or so a 9-speed Shimano Tiagra 4400 double FD 
shifts swiftly and precise, it's simply excellent in every way !  I 
previously had used a 80's Deore MT60, which was slow and not so precise. 
*Triple 
cranks with rings in the 24-50 teeth range don't need triple FD's, assuming 
friction shifting.* The 4400 FD I'm using could easily handle a wider 
chainline also, as would most any road FD, at least from 9-10 speed and 
below. 

So use a road FD , and you'll grin from ear to ear ! 

As for frames, a frame is a frame is a frame . period.  Adorn it with 
whatever you want, call it whatever you want .a road bike, mtb, gravel 
bike, yo' mamas bike, whatever bike  it's still the same frame as it 
ever is . Smile and ride with Joy with it all !!!

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[RBW] Re: Build + Small Ride Report: Testing out my new Hillborne!

[Robert Hakim]

Hi Nathan! 

Sharp looking rig you have there! That color is a great one for the sam! 

That path looks like an idyllic setting for a ride! You've certainly got me 
daydreaming about misty forest mornings now! 

Enjoy the bike! 



Happy Riding, 
Robert, 
SLC, UT

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I made my first video with some clips from the ridemusic is courtesy of 
Joel Boyer—fellow list member Atlantis captain and excellent human being.

I had an absolute blast everyone!

Enjoy ❤️ 

Alex in Rochester

https://vimeo.com/362335744

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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan, I was just thinking that thought yesterday. A few months ago I had sold 
my MIT Atlantis frame and it was looking - for health reasons - like that 
Rivbikes chapter was closing. Then stuff happened and I saw that mid-stepover 
custom on Riv's site and plopped my deposit down..now this! 

It's going to be cool after all these years to have two lugged Rivs with 
"Rivendell" on the downtube (never had that before), and they're kinda bookends 
on RBW's 25th Anniversary. 

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[RBW] Re: Build + Small Ride Report: Testing out my new Hillborne!

[Nathan F]

Thanks all! So far I've been loving it and plan on riding it for a long 
long time. Maybe not in its current drop-bar configuration, but in *some* 
configuration. I built up a Cheviot in the same color for my partner with 
albatross bars, and man are they comfy. I'm hoping to put a pair on in the 
future.

Cleaning it up in the shop afterwards was fun. I basically brought part 
some of the forest home with me!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem L, orange, w upgrades $1200, size 52

[Andrew Huston]

I also pm’d

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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe,
I think this is the bees knees and an amazing score.  Funny how bikes come in 
sets like waves.  Unless that is something you and I just have in common with 
our ocean like brains searching for the perfect ride.  Looking forward to see 
the New Custom coming down the pipe for you.  Someday soon I could see myself 
with only 2 multi-geared Rivs.  I will always have my Quickbeam and the 
Hubbuhubbuh though.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan 

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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Addison! I've always admired your A/R, it's gorgeous. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yep Mark -- perfectly stated and well understood. And yet, we fawn all over 
the simple Grant appointed 26" wide clearance level top tube model when it 
shows up. It feels like an ethos thing to me. I realize that the Atlantis 
got the nod for it ... but clearly, the All Rounder (and even the Hunq) 
still tug at the heart strings around here. 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:34:51 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> More than half the Riv lineup consists of all-rounders in various 
> configurations, including the Atlantis in 26" for many years. I would say 
> these bikes represent the design evolution of the all-rounder as 
> interpreted by G. Petersen.
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 7:37 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I've never understood why the All-Rounder doesn't have a permanent place 
>> in the line up. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:32:36 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack, 
>>> and before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet 
>>> carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops 
>>> anymore. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't 
>>> match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm 
>>> Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe 
>>> this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Novato CA.  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder

[Addison Wilhite]

Indeed...I stopped by Riv a few years ago and test rode a Hunqapillar.
Loved it but realized I was pretty much riding my Allrounder which I've
written about extensively and posted here.  Of all of the early riv models
it strikes me as the most quintessentially Rivendell.  Nice find Joe!

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html


And the most recent configuration:
http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-new-rivendell-configuration-and.html


Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 5:34 AM Mark Roland 
wrote:

> More than half the Riv lineup consists of all-rounders in various
> configurations, including the Atlantis in 26" for many years. I would say
> these bikes represent the design evolution of the all-rounder as
> interpreted by G. Petersen.
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 7:37 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never understood why the All-Rounder doesn't have a permanent place
>> in the line up.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:32:36 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack,
>>> and before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet
>>> carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't
>>> match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm
>>> Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe
>>> this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv?
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Novato CA.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder

[Mark Roland]

More than half the Riv lineup consists of all-rounders in various
configurations, including the Atlantis in 26" for many years. I would say
these bikes represent the design evolution of the all-rounder as
interpreted by G. Petersen.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 7:37 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I've never understood why the All-Rounder doesn't have a permanent place
> in the line up.
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:32:36 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack,
>> and before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet
>> carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops
>> anymore.
>>
>> I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't
>> match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm
>> Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe
>> this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv?
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Novato CA.
>>
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[RBW] Re: All Rounder

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've never understood why the All-Rounder doesn't have a permanent place in 
the line up. 

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:32:36 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack, and 
> before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet 
> carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops 
> anymore. 
>
> I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't 
> match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm 
> Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe 
> this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv? 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem L, orange, w upgrades $1200, size 52

[Mark Roland]

Hi Ado, PM sent, but I sometimes have trouble with the google interface for 
that. 

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:59:41 PM UTC-4, Ado wrote:
>
> I have a 52 Clem L, orange, 1st batch that I bought for my wife. She have 
> rarely use it cause she have knee problem. Mileage less than 100 miles.
> Original parts except the upgrades below:
> Upgraded with:
> Schwalbe 60 mm G-One, almost new
> Albatross (?) bar
> Rivendell front rack
> Selle Anatomica leather saddle (bought used)
> New Kickstand
> No dent, never crashed
> Some paint chips, mostly on threaded bosses
> I will include the original handlebar and tires.
> Prefer local pick up but willing to ship at buyers expense.
>
> Ado
> San Jose, CA
>
>
> .
>
>

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Re: [RBW] All Rounder

[Mark Roland]

Ah, but will they survive Joe's late teens 'lectrification? Could become a 
thing, juiced Rivs!;^)

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 11:55:47 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yes, that was the idea. Grant banged the drum quite loud about the death 
> of the basic steel sport tourer, which was all but gone by the time Bstone 
> bailed and Riv started. It's a minor miracle they survived the 
> Lance-ification of street bicycles in the late-'90s/early-'00s, but here we 
> are. 

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Mark Roland]

Now that I think of it, I am certain the editor will be receiving angry 
letters denouncing the magazine for publishing cartoon people on bicycles 
without helmets. (I'm not kidding or being facetious in the slightest). 
Note the riding gear is civvies. I suspect that may be an Olympus OM-1n the 
guy is using to take the photo

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 12:40:34 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Definitely kudos to Alex and Spencer, also Ben for being a driving force 
> and the patch guy.
>
> Check out the New Yorker cover for this week:
>
> [image: New Yorker cover.PNG]
>
> [image: Riv Atlantic side bunch.jpg]
>
>
> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 9:08:53 PM UTC-4, Ben Obrien wrote:
>>
>> and seriously, many many thanks to Alex and Spencer for the logistics and 
>> navigating. there were a lot of people i wished could have made it, but we 
>> had such a great group. 
>>
>> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 8:52:51 PM UTC-4, Ben Obrien wrote:
>>>
>>> wow, what an amazing time! it was great to meet all of you! i'm glad the 
>>> location was a hit. here are a few photos: 
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=13Q7J96lIPBjr2K1L9VF0C37CJd7uC3Ue
>>>
>>> got some more here, i didn't take that many... 
>>> https://www.instagram.com/fakemountains/
>>>
>>> sorry for such a late start, i underestimated getting up there from the 
>>> campground and especially with a single speed bike (2 even!)... i guess for 
>>> next time i'd say pack a lunch for sure. didn't realize there weren't any 
>>> options in the park itself. and i would definitely want to have a next 
>>> time. thanks for making it so much fun, all of you! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 11:05:39 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:

 Yes indeed, the Atlantis with the Tolkien quotes on the bars was 
 discussed, along with you yourself, all in a lovely context of good 
 storytellers!

 On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 12:49:51 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:
>
> I have been waiting for these posts! I have been living vicariously 
> through dear, sweet Roberta, who has been funneling pictures and texts 
> and 
> emails to me so I can be included from exile here in Vegas (and I see Kai 
> has been starting rumors about me - definitely not true, but I do aspire 
> to 
> rise to them ! 😂). 
>
> You guys look great, your bikes look lovely and it’s true that it 
> looks more like a reunion than a meet. Riv people are the nicest people. 
> Did anyone get to ask Rachel about her rad daughter with the 
> Tolkien-themed 
> Atlantis? I’ve often wondered how that pair is getting along;  I’m sure 
> they’ve  had many adventures by now. 
>
> Don’t be shy about posting your tales and photos here - we love them! 
> So glad you all had a wonderful time!



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[RBW] Hollowtech Homer

[Fullylugged]

You might also consider the Shimano CX-50 or 70. Cyclocross doubles, they are 
hollow tech, and bridge road and MTB, and come in 170 and 175 arm lengths. Nice 
and smooth too. I built a bike up for a cousin with the CX-50 and was surprised 
at how nice it is.

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