[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Joe Bernard]

Just guessing cuz you didn't ask me and it's not my bike - but why would 
that stop me opening my big mouth and trying to sound like a smart guy who 
knows stuff?? - I think a 55cm bike with 700C wheels needs the taller rack 
to clear that big tire and a fender. A fat-tired 700C wheel is REALLY big. 



On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:40:47 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I'm curious the issue - is the top deck hitting the fender, or the seat 
> stay struts too short, or are they hitting the rear brake? Just trying to 
> understand the options, as that's a real bummer 

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Robert Hakim]

Wow, that route looks spectacular! It seems like you caught it on a 
spectacular day as well! 

Does that area get much snowfall or can you ride there year round?

Cheers!
Robert
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:15:04 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Now that's a Rivbike in its proper environment. Nice work, Jason! 👍
>
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
>> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
>> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
>> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
>> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
>> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
>> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
>> region. 
>>
>> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
>> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>>
>> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
>> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
>> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
>> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
>> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>>
>> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
>> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
>> into the valley and away from the city. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>>
>> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
>> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
>> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
>> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
>> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>>
>> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
>> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
>> without full-coverage fenders! 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>>
>> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
>> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
>> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>>
>> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
>> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
>> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
>> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
>> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>>
>> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>>
>> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
>> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
>> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>>
>> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
>> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
>> lichen covered trees. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>>
>> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
>> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
>> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
>> the rest of the evening! 
>>
>> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Jason Fuller]

I'm curious the issue - is the top deck hitting the fender, or the seat 
stay struts too short, or are they hitting the rear brake? Just trying to 
understand the options, as that's a real bummer 

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Joe Bernard]

Now that's a Rivbike in its proper environment. Nice work, Jason! 👍


On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:50:58 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, and 
> today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town here 
> in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of trails 
> on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or hiking 
> trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only extended 
> stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as well as the 
> only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this region. 
>
> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>
> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>
> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and hard 
> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>
> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>
> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to a 
> marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
> into the valley and away from the city. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>
> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and far 
> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>
> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>
> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most people 
> are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't imagine life 
> without full-coverage fenders! 
>
> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>
> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was only 
> about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to the 
> west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm now. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>
> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and it's 
> the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail that 
> winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with information on 
> local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite wonderous, 
> considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>
> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>
> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>
> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>
> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with the 
> beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the moss and 
> lichen covered trees. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>
> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
> the rest of the evening! 
>
> Thanks for following along with my ride report / coming to my TED Talk! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Mark Roland]

The shop didn't do that; Leah forgot to tell them she wanted the shifters 
Riv-ersed.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:58:35 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
Too bad about the shifters but I can see a shop doing that.  Probably the 
first time anyone has ever requested that. 

>
> dougP
>
>
>
>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Ray Varella]

Patrick et al,
   Comparing the early wooly warm vest with this current one, the early 
model is a flat weave where the new one is ribbed. 
Because of the ribbing it is thicker. If you were to stretch it to the 
point of being flat, it would be about the same. 

I can’t say whether it would fit your needs for wind. I think of Nordic 
fishing sweaters when I thing of preventing icy wind. 
Anything dense enough to ward off the wind might cause you to overheat. 
I used to carry a few sheets of newspaper to put under my sweater for 
chilly descents. 
I have an old Santini jersey with a nylon liner in the chest, it works as 
well as newspaper. 

Ray

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 6:36:02 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. I'll be interested to hear if anyone finds them good for cold, 
> windy rides over other layers.
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:21 PM Alex Wirth <482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick!
>>
>> Hmmm, I'm not too sure because I don't have any perspective from the 
>> original Wooly Warmjust this most recent series.  That and so far I 
>> only wear them casually
>>
>> Looking forward to receiving mine, looks like it arrives on Monday!
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Alex: Does this sweater have rear pockets? I'd guess not, otherwise 
>>> they'd show them.
>>>
>>> Also -- long shot question -- is the gauge as thick as the original 
>>> Wooly Warm version from years ago, and is the weave tighter? The WW was 
>>> heavyweight, but had a rather loose weave or knit. It was a very nice outer 
>>> layer over a merino base and perhaps an Ibex wool middle layer, but let too 
>>> much wind through on blustery days.
>>>
>>> I'm tempted, but I expect that the weight and weave are not warm enough 
>>> for my uses (again, outer layer, down to mid 20s over several other layers).
>>>
>>> I sometimes wish I hadn't sold my Wooly Warm, but there are similar 
>>> sweaters out there that are thicker and tighter in weave that still breathe 
>>> but block wind better.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:35 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>>> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater 
 available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available


 https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan

 This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, 
 vest and now cardigan).

 Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome 
 garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.

 Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business 
 Saturday" AKA every day.

 Have a great weekend everyone!

 Alex in Rochester, NY

 (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)

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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Brian Campbell]

That. Is. A . Beautiful. Bicycle. 

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:28:26 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I have low photo standards; as long as the file is big and the photo was 
> taken in bright sunlight, it's probably better than mine. Wait until you've 
> got the bike set up properly, then post some big daytime files.
>
> Ditto ride impressions: let's have your 100 mile and 500 mile reports. The 
> contrast with the Clem is interesting. One day, weigh both and let us know 
> the difference. (FWIW, my bikes weight, ascending: 18, 26 (28 with *aluminum 
> shell* AM hub!!), 29.5, and 31, but last 3 with bags and kit small or 
> large, first without saddle wedge.)
>
> Rack: Tubus makes these; I don't know if they will solve your problem, but 
> perhaps they might work until you find a rack that fits properly.
>
> https://www.campfirecycling.com/product/tubus-extension-adapter-p-1030.html
>
> BTW, Campfire had stock and was prompt for questions and shipping when I 
> dealt with them a few months ago.
>
> Patrick "must trick out my Monocog to make it competitively pretty" Moore
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 2:21 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
> Patrick wants more details about the ride and high res photos. To which I 
>> say: Oh bother. I don’t know how to do high-res photos, and I’ve only got 
>> like 23 miles on the bike, so my impressions aren’t worth much yet. The 
>> bike is just easy. This may be because I’ve built the quads (a gift from 
>> the long, heavy Clementine) to handle these massive hills for 3,000 miles. 
>> In comparison, the Platypus is no work, it’s almost too easy. But, maybe 
>> that changes when I add the rear rack and the Randi Jo Bartender bag. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[dougP]

Rivendell has struts available.  

dougP

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 6:11:37 PM UTC-8 Abcyclehank wrote:

> I have one but let me make sure I have extra struts long enough so you can 
> get it back far enough.  I will check tomorrow.  Was busy helping my son 
> move across Michigan all day.  Feeling extra old and tired.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 7:47:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I saved the medium Big Back Rack from my Betty Foy but alas, the 700c 
>> wheels on the Platypus don’t allow for it. I need the large. 
>>
>> Would anyone like to sell a large Nitto Big Back Rack (and yes, I’m 
>> holding out for that exact rack) that is in very good condition?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Flat bar with some back-sweep

[dougP]

Patrick:

Here's a good compilation of bars with lots of dimensions:

https://whatbars.com/

Lets you overlay bars for comparison.

dougP

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 6:55:17 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'm still sorting the Monocog's cockpit. The stem is now 9 cm and 17* up, 
> from 11 cm and 10*, and the bar is now a reasonable 56 cm, but I'd like a 
> bar with a bit more sweepback, but no or very little rise, and short, 
> short, short -- 56 is about right.
>
> Rivendell used to sell an "Arc" bar, flat, curved, not too wide. Does 
> anyone remember that?
>
> Soma sells this one, which is out of stock but looks pretty likely, flat 
> and 57 cm:
>
> https://www.hubjub.co.uk/soma-noahs-arc-bar-4241-p.asp
>
> Are there others of the sort out there? 
>
> Are there other design options to give me similar results? 
>
> And are there any of either in black with a 31.8 mm clamp area?
>
> I know I can swap my stem, but if a 31.8 clamp exists, I'd save a few $$.
>
> Photos show current bar for comparison. First has the original stem, 
> inverted:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> Second shows it now:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> This high, with more sweepback might be just right.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Meet Analog: Shop tour and interviews for an off the grid Riv Dealer

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. The WTB Rangers are making me wish for a drop-bar'd fat-tired bike.
Must think of other things  (or maybe remove fenders and put Rangers on
the Matthews ...).

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:40 PM James / Analog Cycles <
analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The tape is an unreleased (maybe one day!) wool bar tape we are working on.
> The bike is a Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, which is a roadfat bike made for 26
> x 4 tires on 65mm wide rims, or 27.5 x 3.5 or 29 x 3 tires.  Quill stem,
> mostly lugged, made to order by Alex Meade in Mass, painted by Hot Tubes.
> No custom geo, but it does have custom paint included.   Tough enough for
> loaded touring, but mainly geared toward overnights or long rides where the
> road is bad, or really muddy, or loose.  83mm wide BB so the Q factor is
> not nearly as bad as a standard fat bike.  Go wide and go low!  You could
> run these tires around 7 psi when not in the snow, 5 or less in the snow.
>
> -James
>
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 2:10:44 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Interesting video.
>>
>> What bar tape is this? https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y?t=15
>>
>> And, after the nice Atlantis, what make and model is the drop-barred,
>> down-tube-shiftered (!) fat bike?
>>
>> After riding 70 mm wide, 30 1/2" tall WTB Rangers, the 61 mm, 29.3/5"
>> tall Big Ones seem skinny and hard. I'd like to try 80 mm.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:21 AM James / Analog Cycles <
>> analog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We finally put a video together that gives some flavor of the shop, what
>>> we do, what it's like to walk into Analog Cycles.
>>>
>>> Here's the final cut, a good way to kill 3 minutes.  You'll spot lots of
>>> Riv bits in the vid, as well as Tanglefoot stuff, Fifth Season stuff, and
>>> loads of steel frames.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> james / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas /
>>> Discord Components
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Re: [RBW] Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I'll be interested to hear if anyone finds them good for cold,
windy rides over other layers.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:21 PM Alex Wirth <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick!
>
> Hmmm, I'm not too sure because I don't have any perspective from the
> original Wooly Warmjust this most recent series.  That and so far I
> only wear them casually
>
> Looking forward to receiving mine, looks like it arrives on Monday!
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Alex: Does this sweater have rear pockets? I'd guess not, otherwise
>> they'd show them.
>>
>> Also -- long shot question -- is the gauge as thick as the original Wooly
>> Warm version from years ago, and is the weave tighter? The WW was
>> heavyweight, but had a rather loose weave or knit. It was a very nice outer
>> layer over a merino base and perhaps an Ibex wool middle layer, but let too
>> much wind through on blustery days.
>>
>> I'm tempted, but I expect that the weight and weave are not warm enough
>> for my uses (again, outer layer, down to mid 20s over several other layers).
>>
>> I sometimes wish I hadn't sold my Wooly Warm, but there are similar
>> sweaters out there that are thicker and tighter in weave that still breathe
>> but block wind better.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:35 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
>> 4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater
>>> available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan
>>>
>>> This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck,
>>> vest and now cardigan).
>>>
>>> Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome
>>> garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.
>>>
>>> Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday"
>>> AKA every day.
>>>
>>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>>
>>> Alex in Rochester, NY
>>>
>>> (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

I have low photo standards; as long as the file is big and the photo was
taken in bright sunlight, it's probably better than mine. Wait until you've
got the bike set up properly, then post some big daytime files.

Ditto ride impressions: let's have your 100 mile and 500 mile reports. The
contrast with the Clem is interesting. One day, weigh both and let us know
the difference. (FWIW, my bikes weight, ascending: 18, 26 (28 with *aluminum
shell* AM hub!!), 29.5, and 31, but last 3 with bags and kit small or
large, first without saddle wedge.)

Rack: Tubus makes these; I don't know if they will solve your problem, but
perhaps they might work until you find a rack that fits properly.

https://www.campfirecycling.com/product/tubus-extension-adapter-p-1030.html

BTW, Campfire had stock and was prompt for questions and shipping when I
dealt with them a few months ago.

Patrick "must trick out my Monocog to make it competitively pretty" Moore

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 2:21 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> ...
> Patrick wants more details about the ride and high res photos. To which I
> say: Oh bother. I don’t know how to do high-res photos, and I’ve only got
> like 23 miles on the bike, so my impressions aren’t worth much yet. The
> bike is just easy. This may be because I’ve built the quads (a gift from
> the long, heavy Clementine) to handle these massive hills for 3,000 miles.
> In comparison, the Platypus is no work, it’s almost too easy. But, maybe
> that changes when I add the rear rack and the Randi Jo Bartender bag.
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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have one but let me make sure I have extra struts long enough so you can 
get it back far enough.  I will check tomorrow.  Was busy helping my son 
move across Michigan all day.  Feeling extra old and tired.

Ryan


On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 7:47:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I saved the medium Big Back Rack from my Betty Foy but alas, the 700c 
> wheels on the Platypus don’t allow for it. I need the large. 
>
> Would anyone like to sell a large Nitto Big Back Rack (and yes, I’m 
> holding out for that exact rack) that is in very good condition?
>
> Thanks,
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[dougP]

Leah:

That came out spectacularly!  Glad to hear it rides a nicely as it looks.  
Couple of thoughts from your post:  1.  Forget about ever getting it to a 
point where there's nothing to change.  We are always tinkering / improving 
/ learning.  My Atlantis will turn 18 in a few months & it's been thru many 
iterations as I age & my needs change.  That's one of the many beauties of 
a Rivendell.  They are so adaptable they age with you.  2.  There is an 
alternate solution to your rack problem if you can't find a large, with 
everything in short supply.  There exist (finding them may be another 
story) short little extenders, perhaps an inch long, that elevate the rack 
from the lower mounts.  I scored a rack like yours for a pittance, then 
found out it wouldn't fit on a 58 cm Atlantis with 45 mm tires.  Oh so 
close.  A buddy had a couple of these little extender things in his tool 
box.  Problem solved.  If you hit a wall & want to give that a try, let me 
know & I'll see if I've still got them.  I think that was 3 racks ago.  :)

Too bad about the shifters but I can see a shop doing that.  Probably the 
first time anyone has ever requested that. 

dougP


On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:14:32 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 6B8356C6-6B0A-4D84-8E77-DC9653BE0FB5.jpeg]What a day. The shop 
> called with an assortment of issues they are having in getting the polished 
> look they imagined. Thankfully, none of those things will keep the bike in 
> the shop. I picked it up today! There it was, amongst the full suspension 
> mountain bikes and the bros who were working on them. But I did not need to 
> feel sheepish - those guys raved about my unfortunately named Platypus. “We 
> all watched when it got taken out of the box,” Adam said, “And we were so 
> impressed.” I think for folks who never do dyno or rendering, they did a 
> nice job. I broke them in with my Clem’s dyno this summer, and they 
> remembered. I am glad the most intense parts of building my bikes are over 
> for them; I know they put a lot of time into these jobs and there was a 
> learning curve for them. 
>
> Their issues were these:
> 1. Too much dyno wire. It is looped and tucked away by the kickstand plate 
> for now, but one guy is comfortable cutting/soldering the wire and could do 
> it in the future, by appointment.
>
> 2. The mechanic mashed the “head tube collar” (did I say it right?) with 
> his rather old wrench and has ordered a new one to replace it, free of 
> charge.
>
> 3. My NItto Big Rear Rack, size medium will NOT fit on this bike. I’ll 
> call Rivendell and ask about the large. Such a shame; that was one of the 
> parts I saved from my Betty Foy.
>  
> My issues are these:
> 1. My teal and rose anodized valve stems and caps are in transit from 
> Analog, so I will need the shop to install them when they arrive. (My tires 
> are tubeless, so the tape will be disturbed. I’m not attempting that 
> myself!)
>
> 2. I forgot to explain about the Microshift thumbies. The shop set them up 
> right and I wanted them set up wrong. If you don’t know what I mean, 
> Rivendell switches the Microshift thumbies around for a completely 
> ergonomic experience. I’d have never known about it but Lovely Bicycle 
> discovered it on her black Clementine. So, I got home, noticed they are all 
> wrong and therefore cannot set up my bars yet. No mirror, bell, iPhone 
> mount, NOTHING. A real handicap.
>
> 3. There is an intermittent rattle coming from somewhere near the front 
> wheel. I dread explaining it to them but I can’t live with it, so I hope 
> they find it.
>
> I bought the frame and parts from Rivendell and the wheelset, fenders, 
> dyno lighting and pedals from Analog. Everyone did a lovely job. The build 
> from Rivendell was pretty standard. I stayed with my favorite aluminum 
> Bosco bars and got white Ergon grips for them. Analog did a lot of fun 
> things with color for the bike; we decided on teal and rose for my 
> raspberry frame. For wheels, we initially chose Velocity Quill rims with 
> rose anodizing. Unfortunately, Velocity was so backordered that my 
> September order would not arrive until middle of December. So, I went with 
> polished silver. That took a big piece of our rose out of the frame, which 
> was unfortunate. We still incorporated it in our Edelux light, bottle cage 
> bolts and caps for the valve stems. We anodized the Spank Oozy pedals in 
> teal (and don’t those wide pedals look like Platypus feet?), as well as the 
> headset spacers. Spoke nipples and valve stems. We kept the hubs silver and 
> I even splurged for the SON dyno hub. I ordered a Spurcycle bell, a custom 
> color Randi Jo bag (not here yet) and a grey grid Banana Sax. I think that 
> about covers it!
>
> I took the bike for an 11 mile ride tonight, up and down Killer Hill. This 
> bicycle is a completely different animal (ha! Platypus puns!). It’s nothing 
> like my Clementine, even though it has the same 52 Bosco

[RBW] WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I saved the medium Big Back Rack from my Betty Foy but alas, the 700c 
wheels on the Platypus don’t allow for it. I need the large. 

Would anyone like to sell a large Nitto Big Back Rack (and yes, I’m holding 
out for that exact rack) that is in very good condition?

Thanks,
Leah

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Re: [RBW] LF - WTB 10 cm Technomic Deluxe or Tallux stem

[Mike Godwin]

Hi folks

Got a stem coming in the mail soon, thank you for the replies.

Mike SLO CA

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:40:46 AM UTC-8 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I have several stems in that range, I agree that sizing can be weird 
> depending on how you measure so I have included some pictures. Let me know 
> if anything interests you. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Nov 27, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
> Looking to buy a 10 cm stem.  I am using a 9 cm, it measures 9.5 cm 
> center to center. So does that make it a 9 cm or a 10 cm?  If a 9 cm, then 
> a 10 cm actually measures 10.5 cm center to center. Anyhow, I need a stem a 
> silly centimeter longer.  
>
>
> I have a 9 cm (9.5 cm actual) Technomic non-deluxe can trade also. 
> spoke...@gmail.com 
>
> Mike SLO CA
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[RBW] Re: Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[velomann]

Lovely, and I'm sure the evolution will be fun and rewarding.

3 comments:
 - Regarding tnose curious about the shifters on the inside as opposed to 
outside. Be aware that IF you go this route for the first time, you lose 
indexing. You need friction shifters, or at least the capability to switch 
to friction mode. If you want indexing (I like the option personally) you 
either need to keep the shifters topside, or set up your bike so that the 
rear shifts on the left and the front on the right, which most of us are 
probably unwilling to do. Also, I'm a huge fan of Microshift thumbies which 
have basically made the Paul Thumbie/Shimano bar-end cobo obsolete. 
Microshift thumbies can switch to friction. Sunrace thumbies do NOT have a 
friction mode, at least the 9-speed ones I've used, and the action is not 
as crisp and precise as the Microshift thumbies. 

 - You do NOT need to solder your shortened dyno wires. Go to an auto part 
store and get some of the insulated wire connectors they use for stereos 
and other low voltage installations. As long as you can strip the ends of 
the wires and crimp the connectors, that's all you need. And yes, get some 
heat-shrink tubing to seal the job once you have your wires trimmed and 
hooked back up.

Finally, when I was specing my custom Bantam  earlier this year (which has 
internal wiring for the rear light) I really wanted that SON rear light on 
my fender. But I always run a saddlebag. Always. And on this bike the SON 
sat high enough on the fender I was worried the bag would block it - also 
why I didn't go with a seatpost mounted rear light like many randos use. On 
the Platypus it looks like the longer wheelbase makes that a non-issue. My 
guess is you could run a fairly large saddlebag without blocking the light. 
I went with this Spanninga https://spanninga.com/product/pixeo/ which 
doesn't look as cool as the SON light but sits much lower on the fender.

Mike M



On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:14:32 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 6B8356C6-6B0A-4D84-8E77-DC9653BE0FB5.jpeg]What a day. The shop 
> called with an assortment of issues they are having in getting the polished 
> look they imagined. Thankfully, none of those things will keep the bike in 
> the shop. I picked it up today! There it was, amongst the full suspension 
> mountain bikes and the bros who were working on them. But I did not need to 
> feel sheepish - those guys raved about my unfortunately named Platypus. “We 
> all watched when it got taken out of the box,” Adam said, “And we were so 
> impressed.” I think for folks who never do dyno or rendering, they did a 
> nice job. I broke them in with my Clem’s dyno this summer, and they 
> remembered. I am glad the most intense parts of building my bikes are over 
> for them; I know they put a lot of time into these jobs and there was a 
> learning curve for them. 
>
> Their issues were these:
> 1. Too much dyno wire. It is looped and tucked away by the kickstand plate 
> for now, but one guy is comfortable cutting/soldering the wire and could do 
> it in the future, by appointment.
>
> 2. The mechanic mashed the “head tube collar” (did I say it right?) with 
> his rather old wrench and has ordered a new one to replace it, free of 
> charge.
>
> 3. My NItto Big Rear Rack, size medium will NOT fit on this bike. I’ll 
> call Rivendell and ask about the large. Such a shame; that was one of the 
> parts I saved from my Betty Foy.
>  
> My issues are these:
> 1. My teal and rose anodized valve stems and caps are in transit from 
> Analog, so I will need the shop to install them when they arrive. (My tires 
> are tubeless, so the tape will be disturbed. I’m not attempting that 
> myself!)
>
> 2. I forgot to explain about the Microshift thumbies. The shop set them up 
> right and I wanted them set up wrong. If you don’t know what I mean, 
> Rivendell switches the Microshift thumbies around for a completely 
> ergonomic experience. I’d have never known about it but Lovely Bicycle 
> discovered it on her black Clementine. So, I got home, noticed they are all 
> wrong and therefore cannot set up my bars yet. No mirror, bell, iPhone 
> mount, NOTHING. A real handicap.
>
> 3. There is an intermittent rattle coming from somewhere near the front 
> wheel. I dread explaining it to them but I can’t live with it, so I hope 
> they find it.
>
> I bought the frame and parts from Rivendell and the wheelset, fenders, 
> dyno lighting and pedals from Analog. Everyone did a lovely job. The build 
> from Rivendell was pretty standard. I stayed with my favorite aluminum 
> Bosco bars and got white Ergon grips for them. Analog did a lot of fun 
> things with color for the bike; we decided on teal and rose for my 
> raspberry frame. For wheels, we initially chose Velocity Quill rims with 
> rose anodizing. Unfortunately, Velocity was so backordered that my 
> September order would not arrive until middle of December. So, I went with 
> polished s

Re: [RBW] Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Alex Wirth]

Hi Patrick!

Hmmm, I'm not too sure because I don't have any perspective from the
original Wooly Warmjust this most recent series.  That and so far I
only wear them casually

Looking forward to receiving mine, looks like it arrives on Monday!

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Alex: Does this sweater have rear pockets? I'd guess not, otherwise they'd
> show them.
>
> Also -- long shot question -- is the gauge as thick as the original Wooly
> Warm version from years ago, and is the weave tighter? The WW was
> heavyweight, but had a rather loose weave or knit. It was a very nice outer
> layer over a merino base and perhaps an Ibex wool middle layer, but let too
> much wind through on blustery days.
>
> I'm tempted, but I expect that the weight and weave are not warm enough
> for my uses (again, outer layer, down to mid 20s over several other layers).
>
> I sometimes wish I hadn't sold my Wooly Warm, but there are similar
> sweaters out there that are thicker and tighter in weave that still breathe
> but block wind better.
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:35 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
> 4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater
>> available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan
>>
>> This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, vest
>> and now cardigan).
>>
>> Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome
>> garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.
>>
>> Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday"
>> AKA every day.
>>
>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>
>> Alex in Rochester, NY
>>
>> (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)
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[RBW] Re: Meet Analog: Shop tour and interviews for an off the grid Riv Dealer

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Highly enjoyable and really well-done. One thing that wasn’t emphasized in 
the video but that deserves praise is Analog’s color artistry. They can get 
their hands on colors you never dreamed parts could come in. It really 
makes a bike special, and for the type of bikes they do - long-lasting 
adventure machines customers will enjoy for years - these details mean a 
LOT. I’ve had their work on both of my bikes and I appreciate those details 
every day. With the metallic blue Clem, they were able to go pretty funky, 
and they did. They rainbow’d my spoke nipples, anodized my valve stems and 
caps in bright colors, chose brightly-colored,polished,  mismatched hubs 
(one red, one burnt orange) and dyno lights in complementary colors to 
those hubs. I notice those details every single day, and I love them.

You do good work, James and Candice!
Leah

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:21:47 AM UTC-8 James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:

> We finally put a video together that gives some flavor of the shop, what 
> we do, what it's like to walk into Analog Cycles.  
>
> Here's the final cut, a good way to kill 3 minutes.  You'll spot lots of 
> Riv bits in the vid, as well as Tanglefoot stuff, Fifth Season stuff, and 
> loads of steel frames.  
>
> https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y
>
> Enjoy!
>
> james / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / Discord 
> Components
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Re: [RBW] Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Eamon Nordquist]

Okay, I just received mine. I am between 5’11” and 6’, 140lbs, and normally 
wear a medium. I don’t like baggy clothes, but per Riv’s recommendation 
(and picture of Will wearing one), I sized up to a large. The fit is 
perfect for wearing on a bike. The ribs keep it fitted, but the sleeves and 
back are plenty long for not riding up when on the bike (even with drop 
bars). I love it!
Eamon
Seattle 
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:37:49 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Alex: Does this sweater have rear pockets? I'd guess not, otherwise they'd 
> show them.
>
> Also -- long shot question -- is the gauge as thick as the original Wooly 
> Warm version from years ago, and is the weave tighter? The WW was 
> heavyweight, but had a rather loose weave or knit. It was a very nice outer 
> layer over a merino base and perhaps an Ibex wool middle layer, but let too 
> much wind through on blustery days.
>
> I'm tempted, but I expect that the weight and weave are not warm enough 
> for my uses (again, outer layer, down to mid 20s over several other layers).
>
> I sometimes wish I hadn't sold my Wooly Warm, but there are similar 
> sweaters out there that are thicker and tighter in weave that still breathe 
> but block wind better.
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:35 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater 
>> available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan
>>
>> This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, vest 
>> and now cardigan).
>>
>> Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome 
>> garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.
>>
>> Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday" 
>> AKA every day.
>>
>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>
>> Alex in Rochester, NY
>>
>> (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)
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Re: [RBW] Meet Analog: Shop tour and interviews for an off the grid Riv Dealer

[Joe Bernard]

That Tanglefoot is sweet. I know it's sacrilege but I'd put a mid-drive kit 
on it for the bombest rad ebike, ever! 



On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:40:49 PM UTC-8 James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:

> The tape is an unreleased (maybe one day!) wool bar tape we are working on.
> The bike is a Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, which is a roadfat bike made for 26 
> x 4 tires on 65mm wide rims, or 27.5 x 3.5 or 29 x 3 tires.  Quill stem, 
> mostly lugged, made to order by Alex Meade in Mass, painted by Hot Tubes.  
> No custom geo, but it does have custom paint included.   Tough enough for 
> loaded touring, but mainly geared toward overnights or long rides where the 
> road is bad, or really muddy, or loose.  83mm wide BB so the Q factor is 
> not nearly as bad as a standard fat bike.  Go wide and go low!  You could 
> run these tires around 7 psi when not in the snow, 5 or less in the snow.
>
> -James
>
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 2:10:44 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Interesting video.
>>
>> What bar tape is this? https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y?t=15
>>
>> And, after the nice Atlantis, what make and model is the drop-barred, 
>> down-tube-shiftered (!) fat bike?
>>
>> After riding 70 mm wide, 30 1/2" tall WTB Rangers, the 61 mm, 29.3/5" 
>> tall Big Ones seem skinny and hard. I'd like to try 80 mm.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:21 AM James / Analog Cycles <
>> analog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We finally put a video together that gives some flavor of the shop, what 
>>> we do, what it's like to walk into Analog Cycles.  
>>>
>>> Here's the final cut, a good way to kill 3 minutes.  You'll spot lots of 
>>> Riv bits in the vid, as well as Tanglefoot stuff, Fifth Season stuff, and 
>>> loads of steel frames.  
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> james / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / 
>>> Discord Components
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Re: [RBW] Meet Analog: Shop tour and interviews for an off the grid Riv Dealer

[James / Analog Cycles]

The tape is an unreleased (maybe one day!) wool bar tape we are working on.
The bike is a Tanglefoot Bull Thistle, which is a roadfat bike made for 26 
x 4 tires on 65mm wide rims, or 27.5 x 3.5 or 29 x 3 tires.  Quill stem, 
mostly lugged, made to order by Alex Meade in Mass, painted by Hot Tubes.  
No custom geo, but it does have custom paint included.   Tough enough for 
loaded touring, but mainly geared toward overnights or long rides where the 
road is bad, or really muddy, or loose.  83mm wide BB so the Q factor is 
not nearly as bad as a standard fat bike.  Go wide and go low!  You could 
run these tires around 7 psi when not in the snow, 5 or less in the snow.

-James


On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 2:10:44 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Interesting video.
>
> What bar tape is this? https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y?t=15
>
> And, after the nice Atlantis, what make and model is the drop-barred, 
> down-tube-shiftered (!) fat bike?
>
> After riding 70 mm wide, 30 1/2" tall WTB Rangers, the 61 mm, 29.3/5" tall 
> Big Ones seem skinny and hard. I'd like to try 80 mm.
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:21 AM James / Analog Cycles  
> wrote:
>
>> We finally put a video together that gives some flavor of the shop, what 
>> we do, what it's like to walk into Analog Cycles.  
>>
>> Here's the final cut, a good way to kill 3 minutes.  You'll spot lots of 
>> Riv bits in the vid, as well as Tanglefoot stuff, Fifth Season stuff, and 
>> loads of steel frames.  
>>
>> https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> james / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / Discord 
>> Components
>>
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

Please allow me to take the opposing view on the rims, forthwith and 
heretofore, with background:

When I was planning the build on my custom with gray/red paint I was sure I 
wanted red hubs, too. As soon as I saw the frame live in color I realized 
there was already enough POP in the paint and adding two more big dollops 
of red would overwhelm it. That's how I feel about Leah's bike now that 
I've seen it all built up and on the road. There's SO MUCH happening with 
all that raspberry metallic in the frame; plus the teal and rose bits here 
and there; I think the rose on those big hoops would have messed up the 
balance. I love the polished SON hub and rims, I think it's utterly perfect 
just like that. 

Joe "in this reporter's opinion" Bernard 

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:20:57 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It's shaping up nicely. Please post some high-resolution photos when it's 
> all done (I'm sure you will!) You'll get it sorted, don't worry. I'm sorry 
> you couldn't get the rose rims; I think that would have set off the frame 
> very nicely.
>
> FWIW, I've often spliced my lighting wires simply by twisting ends and 
> covering with heat-shrink tubing; it looks fine. I've not yet learned how 
> to solder wire. But if you can get someone to solder the ends, I daresay 
> this will look even better.
>
> And congratulations on the mileage!
>

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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

I just found one more thing to add to my shopping list. Thanks.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:31 PM James / Analog Cycles <
analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That light is a Schmidt fender tail light.  They're designed to be mounted
> higher than normal.  Very robust, well sealed light.  Dynamo powered.
> -james / analog cycles
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 3:24:50 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> *And,* one more question: What top-of-rear-fender light is that? Is it a
>> dynamo light or battery? I might be interested in one that mounts
>> top-center of fender; I dislike rear-of-fender lights because I'm always
>> backing them into walls.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:22 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and after you've put on a few more miles, tell us in endless,
>>> excruciating detail (I'm serious) how the ride of the Platypus differs from
>>> that of the Clementine and of the Betty (I forget what the Betty Foy is;
>>> mixte?)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 It's shaping up nicely. Please post some high-resolution photos when
 it's all done (I'm sure you will!) You'll get it sorted, don't worry. I'm
 sorry you couldn't get the rose rims; I think that would have set off the
 frame very nicely.

 FWIW, I've often spliced my lighting wires simply by twisting ends and
 covering with heat-shrink tubing; it looks fine. I've not yet learned how
 to solder wire. But if you can get someone to solder the ends, I daresay
 this will look even better.

 And congratulations on the mileage!

>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Patrick Moore]

Alex: Does this sweater have rear pockets? I'd guess not, otherwise they'd
show them.

Also -- long shot question -- is the gauge as thick as the original Wooly
Warm version from years ago, and is the weave tighter? The WW was
heavyweight, but had a rather loose weave or knit. It was a very nice outer
layer over a merino base and perhaps an Ibex wool middle layer, but let too
much wind through on blustery days.

I'm tempted, but I expect that the weight and weave are not warm enough for
my uses (again, outer layer, down to mid 20s over several other layers).

I sometimes wish I hadn't sold my Wooly Warm, but there are similar
sweaters out there that are thicker and tighter in weave that still breathe
but block wind better.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:35 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
4824...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater
> available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan
>
> This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, vest
> and now cardigan).
>
> Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome
> garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.
>
> Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday"
> AKA every day.
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Alex in Rochester, NY
>
> (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)
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[RBW] Re: Meet Analog: Shop tour and interviews for an off the grid Riv Dealer

[James / Analog Cycles]

You're welcome, David.

-James

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 1:44:51 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> Thanks for posting this, James.
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:21:47 AM UTC-8 James / Analog Cycles 
> wrote:
>
>> We finally put a video together that gives some flavor of the shop, what 
>> we do, what it's like to walk into Analog Cycles.  
>>
>> Here's the final cut, a good way to kill 3 minutes.  You'll spot lots of 
>> Riv bits in the vid, as well as Tanglefoot stuff, Fifth Season stuff, and 
>> loads of steel frames.  
>>
>> https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> james / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / Discord 
>> Components
>>
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[James / Analog Cycles]

That light is a Schmidt fender tail light.  They're designed to be mounted 
higher than normal.  Very robust, well sealed light.  Dynamo powered.
-james / analog cycles

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 3:24:50 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> *And,* one more question: What top-of-rear-fender light is that? Is it a 
> dynamo light or battery? I might be interested in one that mounts 
> top-center of fender; I dislike rear-of-fender lights because I'm always 
> backing them into walls.
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:22 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Oh, and after you've put on a few more miles, tell us in endless, 
>> excruciating detail (I'm serious) how the ride of the Platypus differs from 
>> that of the Clementine and of the Betty (I forget what the Betty Foy is; 
>> mixte?)
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> It's shaping up nicely. Please post some high-resolution photos when 
>>> it's all done (I'm sure you will!) You'll get it sorted, don't worry. I'm 
>>> sorry you couldn't get the rose rims; I think that would have set off the 
>>> frame very nicely.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I've often spliced my lighting wires simply by twisting ends and 
>>> covering with heat-shrink tubing; it looks fine. I've not yet learned how 
>>> to solder wire. But if you can get someone to solder the ends, I daresay 
>>> this will look even better.
>>>
>>> And congratulations on the mileage!
>>>
>>
>>
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>> ---
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

*And,* one more question: What top-of-rear-fender light is that? Is it a
dynamo light or battery? I might be interested in one that mounts
top-center of fender; I dislike rear-of-fender lights because I'm always
backing them into walls.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:22 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Oh, and after you've put on a few more miles, tell us in endless,
> excruciating detail (I'm serious) how the ride of the Platypus differs from
> that of the Clementine and of the Betty (I forget what the Betty Foy is;
> mixte?)
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> It's shaping up nicely. Please post some high-resolution photos when it's
>> all done (I'm sure you will!) You'll get it sorted, don't worry. I'm sorry
>> you couldn't get the rose rims; I think that would have set off the frame
>> very nicely.
>>
>> FWIW, I've often spliced my lighting wires simply by twisting ends and
>> covering with heat-shrink tubing; it looks fine. I've not yet learned how
>> to solder wire. But if you can get someone to solder the ends, I daresay
>> this will look even better.
>>
>> And congratulations on the mileage!
>>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and after you've put on a few more miles, tell us in endless,
excruciating detail (I'm serious) how the ride of the Platypus differs from
that of the Clementine and of the Betty (I forget what the Betty Foy is;
mixte?)

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 1:20 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> It's shaping up nicely. Please post some high-resolution photos when it's
> all done (I'm sure you will!) You'll get it sorted, don't worry. I'm sorry
> you couldn't get the rose rims; I think that would have set off the frame
> very nicely.
>
> FWIW, I've often spliced my lighting wires simply by twisting ends and
> covering with heat-shrink tubing; it looks fine. I've not yet learned how
> to solder wire. But if you can get someone to solder the ends, I daresay
> this will look even better.
>
> And congratulations on the mileage!
>


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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

It's shaping up nicely. Please post some high-resolution photos when it's
all done (I'm sure you will!) You'll get it sorted, don't worry. I'm sorry
you couldn't get the rose rims; I think that would have set off the frame
very nicely.

FWIW, I've often spliced my lighting wires simply by twisting ends and
covering with heat-shrink tubing; it looks fine. I've not yet learned how
to solder wire. But if you can get someone to solder the ends, I daresay
this will look even better.

And congratulations on the mileage!

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[RBW] Re: Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

"May they be dark!"

...yet bright! For one thing I know: that though I was blind, now I see.

Joe "wanted to say something profound and eloquent, too!" Bernard

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 1:46:28 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> Just fantastic Leah. I've particularly appreciated your move to the dark 
> side and generator powered lamps, it lets you be your own light. Your 
> riding and writing always projected that, now your night riding brings it 
> home. 
>
> Enjoy those next 150 miles. May they be dark!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:14:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 6B8356C6-6B0A-4D84-8E77-DC9653BE0FB5.jpeg]What a day. The shop 
>> called with an assortment of issues they are having in getting the polished 
>> look they imagined. Thankfully, none of those things will keep the bike in 
>> the shop. I picked it up today! There it was, amongst the full suspension 
>> mountain bikes and the bros who were working on them. But I did not need to 
>> feel sheepish - those guys raved about my unfortunately named Platypus. “We 
>> all watched when it got taken out of the box,” Adam said, “And we were so 
>> impressed.” I think for folks who never do dyno or rendering, they did a 
>> nice job. I broke them in with my Clem’s dyno this summer, and they 
>> remembered. I am glad the most intense parts of building my bikes are over 
>> for them; I know they put a lot of time into these jobs and there was a 
>> learning curve for them. 
>>
>> Their issues were these:
>> 1. Too much dyno wire. It is looped and tucked away by the kickstand 
>> plate for now, but one guy is comfortable cutting/soldering the wire and 
>> could do it in the future, by appointment.
>>
>> 2. The mechanic mashed the “head tube collar” (did I say it right?) with 
>> his rather old wrench and has ordered a new one to replace it, free of 
>> charge.
>>
>> 3. My NItto Big Rear Rack, size medium will NOT fit on this bike. I’ll 
>> call Rivendell and ask about the large. Such a shame; that was one of the 
>> parts I saved from my Betty Foy.
>>  
>> My issues are these:
>> 1. My teal and rose anodized valve stems and caps are in transit from 
>> Analog, so I will need the shop to install them when they arrive. (My tires 
>> are tubeless, so the tape will be disturbed. I’m not attempting that 
>> myself!)
>>
>> 2. I forgot to explain about the Microshift thumbies. The shop set them 
>> up right and I wanted them set up wrong. If you don’t know what I mean, 
>> Rivendell switches the Microshift thumbies around for a completely 
>> ergonomic experience. I’d have never known about it but Lovely Bicycle 
>> discovered it on her black Clementine. So, I got home, noticed they are all 
>> wrong and therefore cannot set up my bars yet. No mirror, bell, iPhone 
>> mount, NOTHING. A real handicap.
>>
>> 3. There is an intermittent rattle coming from somewhere near the front 
>> wheel. I dread explaining it to them but I can’t live with it, so I hope 
>> they find it.
>>
>> I bought the frame and parts from Rivendell and the wheelset, fenders, 
>> dyno lighting and pedals from Analog. Everyone did a lovely job. The build 
>> from Rivendell was pretty standard. I stayed with my favorite aluminum 
>> Bosco bars and got white Ergon grips for them. Analog did a lot of fun 
>> things with color for the bike; we decided on teal and rose for my 
>> raspberry frame. For wheels, we initially chose Velocity Quill rims with 
>> rose anodizing. Unfortunately, Velocity was so backordered that my 
>> September order would not arrive until middle of December. So, I went with 
>> polished silver. That took a big piece of our rose out of the frame, which 
>> was unfortunate. We still incorporated it in our Edelux light, bottle cage 
>> bolts and caps for the valve stems. We anodized the Spank Oozy pedals in 
>> teal (and don’t those wide pedals look like Platypus feet?), as well as the 
>> headset spacers. Spoke nipples and valve stems. We kept the hubs silver and 
>> I even splurged for the SON dyno hub. I ordered a Spurcycle bell, a custom 
>> color Randi Jo bag (not here yet) and a grey grid Banana Sax. I think that 
>> about covers it!
>>
>> I took the bike for an 11 mile ride tonight, up and down Killer Hill. 
>> This bicycle is a completely different animal (ha! Platypus puns!). It’s 
>> nothing like my Clementine, even though it has the same 52 Bosco bars and 
>> Ergon grips. Mounting a Platypus is like climbing into your SUV when you’ve 
>> been used to your minivan. Those 700c wheels sit you up nice and tall, and 
>> the bike is shorter in length than the Clementine, more compact. I find 
>> the Platypus to be agile; I never try a sharp turn on my Clem; it would be 
>> akin to trying to turn a long boat sharply. 
>>
>> After only 11 miles I can only offer my impressions, but I may not hold 
>> to them once I get more miles under my wheels.
>>
>> The Platypus is just easy. It climbs really nicely, acce

Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Eamon Nordquist]

I thought the MIT Homers use a 27.2 seatpost. I could be wrong - the 
description doesn’t say, as far as I can tell.
Eamon
Seattle  

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:30:35 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> And you could discuss that bike on the SOB* list!
>
> *Surly Owners Bunch
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:17:23 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>
>> I think I'll buy a Surly Bridge Club frameset and save myself $3400 vs a 
>> custom.
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:22:34 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> A custom would certainly do the trick. Mine was built to a spec similar 
>>> to if you put the toptube lower on an Appaloosa, and it uses a 27.2 post. 
>>> Solved! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:07:17 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 I think you mean get a section of 26.8 tubing. Yes, I suggested a 
 custom based on his favorite seat post. 



 On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:59:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> I would not recommend milling the inside of the seat tube. You'd be 
> weakening the structure of the frame and the milling would be difficult 
> and 
> more expense than it's worth.
>
> Instead, find a local fabricator and request the following:
>
> 1: Get a section of 27.2mm tubing and cut it to length (300mm or 
> thereabouts)
> 2: Cut the tube from the seatpost you want
> 3: TIG-weld the 27.2mm tubing to the base of your seatpost
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> Well, as I said above, I'm not an expert in suspension posts, so I 
> haven't seen the testing labeling one or another brand far superior, one 
> that many people love, and therefore rendering my point into a straw man. 
> In 50 years of riding, with clubs, for transportation, being involved in 
> many ways, I've never ridden with someone who purposely rode with a 
> suspension post. Caveat--I am not a mountain biker so don't have a lot of 
> experience in that world, though I understand there the whole bike is 
> usually suspended. The ones I've come across in the wild were on hybrids, 
> cheap mtbs, (now extinct ?) "comfort" bikes, and tandem stoker posts.
> I guess my point was more if you really want a certain Riv model, you 
> can probably find a way to get a seat post that will work for you. Maybe 
> you could get .2mm milled off the post and .2 reamed out of the seat 
> tube. 
> Or just be thankful the Hillborne takes a 27.2 and call it a blessed day.
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 1:58:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> We're basically just bickering at this point but I can't help 
>> myself... the suspension posts posted on eBay above are all awful 
>> compared 
>> to the market leading suspension posts from Cane Creek and the like. 
>> They're not even really the same thing from a functionality perspective. 
>> Linking to them is a total straw man. 
>>
>> Cane Creek's design has been around for 20+ years, and is a well 
>> proven, tunable, and serviceable technology. Lots and lots of people 
>> love 
>> them and I suspect that's what OP was hoping to use.
>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 09:52:58 UTC-8 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My bad, the Op did ask about suspension posts. Someone else asked 
>>> about dropper post. Still, it does make you wonder what Grant is 
>>> thinking 
>>> going to a 26.8mm seatpost on his frames?! 
>>>
>>> Good Luck!
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:53:01 AM UTC-8 Brewster Fong wrote:
>>>
 The question I have is are these "suspension" post that you refer 
 to the same a dropper post that he OP is seeking?!  The dropper post 
 is the 
 latest thing for gravel/mtbs as it allows you to adjust the saddle 
 height 
 with the press of a button. These posts aren't cheap a they start at 
 like 
 $200 and go up! I think Sram's wireless post is $800+

 Good Luck! 

 On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland 
 wrote:

> Here are a bunch of 26.8 suspension posts on eBay 
> 
>  right now. Should last a lifetime of Rivs!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 6:48:44 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. Tubing diameter and thickness generally dictates seat post 
>> size. In that sense, the sizing is part of its functionality. A 26.8 
>> seat 
>> post size is not exactly unusual, and before 27.2 became dominant, 
>> was 
>> fairly common. I have several bikes, other than my recent Rivs, that 
>> use 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Eamon Nordquist]

I went with their recommendation to size up one size, but am worried it 
will be too big. I don’t like baggy clothing, but they made it sound like 
ordering your normal size would be too small.
Hmmm...
Eamon
Seattle 

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> I'm 5' 10-",  165-170, got a medium in the vest and a large crewneck, both 
> fit well. It's a stretchy wool, I think you would be fine with a small, a 
> medium would be good too if you like a looser fit. 
>
> Too many sweaters to get the cardigan. I will wait for the henley next 
> year.
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:25:11 AM UTC-5 Addison wrote:
>
>> Anybody get a smaller size?...debating on what size to order at 5'6" and 
>> 145 lbs.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>>
>> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>>  
>>
>> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>>
>> Portfolio and Blog 
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:11 AM Mark Roland  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Yeah. Definitely Sweata Weatha. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:35:54 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
>>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
 In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater 
 available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available


 https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan

 This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, 
 vest and now cardigan).

 Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome 
 garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.

 Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business 
 Saturday" AKA every day.

 Have a great weekend everyone!

 Alex in Rochester, NY

 (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)

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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Mark Roland]

And you could discuss that bike on the SOB* list!

*Surly Owners Bunch

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:17:23 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> I think I'll buy a Surly Bridge Club frameset and save myself $3400 vs a 
> custom.
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:22:34 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> A custom would certainly do the trick. Mine was built to a spec similar 
>> to if you put the toptube lower on an Appaloosa, and it uses a 27.2 post. 
>> Solved! 
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:07:17 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> I think you mean get a section of 26.8 tubing. Yes, I suggested a custom 
>>> based on his favorite seat post. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:59:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 I would not recommend milling the inside of the seat tube. You'd be 
 weakening the structure of the frame and the milling would be difficult 
 and 
 more expense than it's worth.

 Instead, find a local fabricator and request the following:

 1: Get a section of 27.2mm tubing and cut it to length (300mm or 
 thereabouts)
 2: Cut the tube from the seatpost you want
 3: TIG-weld the 27.2mm tubing to the base of your seatpost



 On Nov 27, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:

 Well, as I said above, I'm not an expert in suspension posts, so I 
 haven't seen the testing labeling one or another brand far superior, one 
 that many people love, and therefore rendering my point into a straw man. 
 In 50 years of riding, with clubs, for transportation, being involved in 
 many ways, I've never ridden with someone who purposely rode with a 
 suspension post. Caveat--I am not a mountain biker so don't have a lot of 
 experience in that world, though I understand there the whole bike is 
 usually suspended. The ones I've come across in the wild were on hybrids, 
 cheap mtbs, (now extinct ?) "comfort" bikes, and tandem stoker posts.
 I guess my point was more if you really want a certain Riv model, you 
 can probably find a way to get a seat post that will work for you. Maybe 
 you could get .2mm milled off the post and .2 reamed out of the seat tube. 
 Or just be thankful the Hillborne takes a 27.2 and call it a blessed day.

 On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 1:58:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> We're basically just bickering at this point but I can't help 
> myself... the suspension posts posted on eBay above are all awful 
> compared 
> to the market leading suspension posts from Cane Creek and the like. 
> They're not even really the same thing from a functionality perspective. 
> Linking to them is a total straw man. 
>
> Cane Creek's design has been around for 20+ years, and is a well 
> proven, tunable, and serviceable technology. Lots and lots of people love 
> them and I suspect that's what OP was hoping to use.
> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 09:52:58 UTC-8 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My bad, the Op did ask about suspension posts. Someone else asked 
>> about dropper post. Still, it does make you wonder what Grant is 
>> thinking 
>> going to a 26.8mm seatpost on his frames?! 
>>
>> Good Luck!
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:53:01 AM UTC-8 Brewster Fong wrote:
>>
>>> The question I have is are these "suspension" post that you refer to 
>>> the same a dropper post that he OP is seeking?!  The dropper post is 
>>> the 
>>> latest thing for gravel/mtbs as it allows you to adjust the saddle 
>>> height 
>>> with the press of a button. These posts aren't cheap a they start at 
>>> like 
>>> $200 and go up! I think Sram's wireless post is $800+
>>>
>>> Good Luck! 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 Here are a bunch of 26.8 suspension posts on eBay 
 
  right now. Should last a lifetime of Rivs!



 On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 6:48:44 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland 
 wrote:

> Yes. Tubing diameter and thickness generally dictates seat post 
> size. In that sense, the sizing is part of its functionality. A 26.8 
> seat 
> post size is not exactly unusual, and before 27.2 became dominant, 
> was 
> fairly common. I have several bikes, other than my recent Rivs, that 
> use 
> this size. 
>
> If you want a cheap but good one, you can get a Kalloy Uno 
> 
> .
>
> If you want a middle range, you can get one from Dajia 
> Cycleworks(note most sizes currently out of stock).
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Mark Roland]

I'm 5' 10-",  165-170, got a medium in the vest and a large crewneck, both 
fit well. It's a stretchy wool, I think you would be fine with a small, a 
medium would be good too if you like a looser fit. 

Too many sweaters to get the cardigan. I will wait for the henley next year.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:25:11 AM UTC-5 Addison wrote:

> Anybody get a smaller size?...debating on what size to order at 5'6" and 
> 145 lbs.
>
> Regards,
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Portfolio and Blog 
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:11 AM Mark Roland  wrote:
>
>> Oh Yeah. Definitely Sweata Weatha. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:35:54 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>>> In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater 
>>> available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan
>>>
>>> This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, 
>>> vest and now cardigan).
>>>
>>> Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome 
>>> garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.
>>>
>>> Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday" 
>>> AKA every day.
>>>
>>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>>
>>> Alex in Rochester, NY
>>>
>>> (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Meet Analog: Shop tour and interviews for an off the grid Riv Dealer

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting video.

What bar tape is this? https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y?t=15

And, after the nice Atlantis, what make and model is the drop-barred,
down-tube-shiftered (!) fat bike?

After riding 70 mm wide, 30 1/2" tall WTB Rangers, the 61 mm, 29.3/5" tall
Big Ones seem skinny and hard. I'd like to try 80 mm.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:21 AM James / Analog Cycles <
analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We finally put a video together that gives some flavor of the shop, what
> we do, what it's like to walk into Analog Cycles.
>
> Here's the final cut, a good way to kill 3 minutes.  You'll spot lots of
> Riv bits in the vid, as well as Tanglefoot stuff, Fifth Season stuff, and
> loads of steel frames.
>
> https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y
>
> Enjoy!
>
> james / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / Discord
> Components
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Patrick Moore]

I wish I'd seen this earlier; more effective than the Buff (as remedy with
the Buff, I'll control my sneezing) and cheaper.

Might spot-glue or thread-tack a layer of cotton inside the Buff.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Surlyprof  wrote:

> I probably read the same article Philip did.  The synthetic gaiters and
> single-layer gaiters pose the problem that Philip mentioned (micro
> dispersing sneezes).  I did a little more research and everyone points to
> double layered cotton as the best protection.  That prompted a search for
> double layered, cotton gaiters for riding and I was thrilled to find that 
> Carhartt
> seemed to excel in this area
> .
> Not only is it 95% cotton (5% spandex) outside, it's double layer with 100%
> cotton on the inside.  It also has the added bonus of a filter pocket!  I
> bought two.  This didn't solve the fogging problem but we figured out a
> hack that helps.  You could buy something like this
> 
> but I don't think they'd stay on.  Instead, I've been adding wires to our
> face masks.  We bought a spool of 16 gauge stainless wire (for hanging
> picture frames) and cut lengths of it, dip the ends in epoxy (to create
> soft droplet-like ends).  We can then open a couple of stitches in the edge
> seam, slide a wire in and stitch both ends of the wire to keep in place.
> That has provided a bendable, machine-washable nose bridge at very little
> cost and a little DIY effort.  The only issue I have with the Carhartt
> gaiter is that it is one size fits all and, in Carhartt land, people are
> big.  The nose bridge helped snug it up and we washed an dried it to shrink
> it a little.  May still need to take it in a little.
>
> John
> Niles, CA
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:29:29 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I tried bandanas. Perhaps I'm just fussy, but I had a hard time keeping
>> them from slipping down.
>>
>> In the event, I ordered a Buff synthetic gaiter on the recommendation of
>> someone onlist. Buff has a bewildering plenty of colors and patterns, and I
>> fretted about choosing one that will go with all of my outfits. (And that
>> doesn't make me look fat.) But I decided, what the hell, let's get one that
>> doesn't go with anything, so ordered bright orange. (Well, it will go with
>> the bright orange bar tape on my Matthews Road Bike For Dirt.
>>
>> I read the CDC stricture against fleece, but didn't see them frowning and
>> shaking their fingers at synthetics knits like the Buffs.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 11:17 PM Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do the bandanna - Rivendell sells densely woven ones. I have some
>>> looser-woven Chinese ones from Etsy I try not to wear in grocery stores,
>>> but I feel okay wearing them to ride. Bandannas work great; easy up, easy
>>> down, but they do fog my glasses now that the weather is colder. Maybe I
>>> should switch to contacts for the winter.
>>> I bought a merino buff at the beginning of Teh Covidz, but it was too
>>> hot to wear, and I saw a study that showed they’ll actually micro-disperse
>>> a sneeze, instead of damping it. Oops.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 8:23:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Chris. Two new possibilities. I'll look at the Buff gaiter too.

 I actually bought a poor substitute gaiter at a hardware store for a
 few bucks, but it was so thin that it wouldn't stay up, and probably
 wouldn't keep my sneezes in anyway.

 On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:48 AM Christopher Cote <
 christophe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, on further inspection, I think she's just wearing a bandana
> or scarf. Fold into a triangle, wrap it around your face, over the nose,
> and tie it in the back. Not to tight, with the knot low, like where your
> neck meets your back, and it stays put pretty well in my experience.
>
> Chris
>
> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:27:42 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore
> wrote:
>
>> The video that David posted of Mz Cool stopping by Rivendell was
>> interesting for various reasons, but one in particular is her way of 
>> using
>> what looks to be a scarf as a COVID mask that can be kept sub-chin while
>> riding but quickly pulled up in public.
>>
>> Has anyone done this? Can he-er-she describe the scarf, how you put
>> it on, and how you ma

[RBW] Re: Meet Analog: Shop tour and interviews for an off the grid Riv Dealer

[David Person]

Thanks for posting this, James.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:21:47 AM UTC-8 James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:

> We finally put a video together that gives some flavor of the shop, what 
> we do, what it's like to walk into Analog Cycles.  
>
> Here's the final cut, a good way to kill 3 minutes.  You'll spot lots of 
> Riv bits in the vid, as well as Tanglefoot stuff, Fifth Season stuff, and 
> loads of steel frames.  
>
> https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y
>
> Enjoy!
>
> james / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / Discord 
> Components
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Surlyprof]

I probably read the same article Philip did.  The synthetic gaiters and 
single-layer gaiters pose the problem that Philip mentioned (micro 
dispersing sneezes).  I did a little more research and everyone points to 
double layered cotton as the best protection.  That prompted a search for 
double layered, cotton gaiters for riding and I was thrilled to find that 
Carhartt 
seemed to excel in this area 
.
  
Not only is it 95% cotton (5% spandex) outside, it's double layer with 100% 
cotton on the inside.  It also has the added bonus of a filter pocket!  I 
bought two.  This didn't solve the fogging problem but we figured out a 
hack that helps.  You could buy something like this 

 
but I don't think they'd stay on.  Instead, I've been adding wires to our 
face masks.  We bought a spool of 16 gauge stainless wire (for hanging 
picture frames) and cut lengths of it, dip the ends in epoxy (to create 
soft droplet-like ends).  We can then open a couple of stitches in the edge 
seam, slide a wire in and stitch both ends of the wire to keep in place.  
That has provided a bendable, machine-washable nose bridge at very little 
cost and a little DIY effort.  The only issue I have with the Carhartt 
gaiter is that it is one size fits all and, in Carhartt land, people are 
big.  The nose bridge helped snug it up and we washed an dried it to shrink 
it a little.  May still need to take it in a little.

John
Niles, CA

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:29:29 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I tried bandanas. Perhaps I'm just fussy, but I had a hard time keeping 
> them from slipping down. 
>
> In the event, I ordered a Buff synthetic gaiter on the recommendation of 
> someone onlist. Buff has a bewildering plenty of colors and patterns, and I 
> fretted about choosing one that will go with all of my outfits. (And that 
> doesn't make me look fat.) But I decided, what the hell, let's get one that 
> doesn't go with anything, so ordered bright orange. (Well, it will go with 
> the bright orange bar tape on my Matthews Road Bike For Dirt. 
>
> I read the CDC stricture against fleece, but didn't see them frowning and 
> shaking their fingers at synthetics knits like the Buffs.
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 11:17 PM Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
>
>> I do the bandanna - Rivendell sells densely woven ones. I have some 
>> looser-woven Chinese ones from Etsy I try not to wear in grocery stores, 
>> but I feel okay wearing them to ride. Bandannas work great; easy up, easy 
>> down, but they do fog my glasses now that the weather is colder. Maybe I 
>> should switch to contacts for the winter. 
>> I bought a merino buff at the beginning of Teh Covidz, but it was too hot 
>> to wear, and I saw a study that showed they’ll actually micro-disperse a 
>> sneeze, instead of damping it. Oops.
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 8:23:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Chris. Two new possibilities. I'll look at the Buff gaiter too.
>>>
>>> I actually bought a poor substitute gaiter at a hardware store for a few 
>>> bucks, but it was so thin that it wouldn't stay up, and probably wouldn't 
>>> keep my sneezes in anyway.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:48 AM Christopher Cote <
>>> christophe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Actually, on further inspection, I think she's just wearing a bandana 
 or scarf. Fold into a triangle, wrap it around your face, over the nose, 
 and tie it in the back. Not to tight, with the knot low, like where your 
 neck meets your back, and it stays put pretty well in my experience.

 Chris

 On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:27:42 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The video that David posted of Mz Cool stopping by Rivendell was 
> interesting for various reasons, but one in particular is her way of 
> using 
> what looks to be a scarf as a COVID mask that can be kept sub-chin while 
> riding but quickly pulled up in public.
>
> Has anyone done this? Can he-er-she describe the scarf, how you put it 
> on, and how you manipulate it?
>
> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=629
>
> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=698
>
> Anyway, her scarf is much more pleasant to look at than your average 
> mask; far less of a disfigurement.
>
> -- 
>
> ---

[RBW] Meet Analog: Shop tour and interviews for an off the grid Riv Dealer

[James / Analog Cycles]

We finally put a video together that gives some flavor of the shop, what we 
do, what it's like to walk into Analog Cycles.  

Here's the final cut, a good way to kill 3 minutes.  You'll spot lots of 
Riv bits in the vid, as well as Tanglefoot stuff, Fifth Season stuff, and 
loads of steel frames.  

https://youtu.be/MaruFJYwJ8Y

Enjoy!

james / Analog Cycles / Tanglefoot Cycles / Fifth Season Canvas / Discord 
Components

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Addison Wilhite]

Anybody get a smaller size?...debating on what size to order at 5'6" and
145 lbs.

Regards,

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Portfolio and Blog 


On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:11 AM Mark Roland 
wrote:

> Oh Yeah. Definitely Sweata Weatha. 
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:35:54 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner,
> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
>> In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater
>> available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan
>>
>> This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, vest
>> and now cardigan).
>>
>> Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome
>> garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.
>>
>> Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday"
>> AKA every day.
>>
>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>
>> Alex in Rochester, NY
>>
>> (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Mark Roland]

Oh Yeah. Definitely Sweata Weatha. 

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:35:54 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

> In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater 
> available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan
>
> This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, vest 
> and now cardigan).
>
> Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome 
> garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.
>
> Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday" 
> AKA every day.
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Alex in Rochester, NY
>
> (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)
>

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[RBW] Re: Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[Mark Roland]

No pusillanimous platitudes for this Platypus. Perfectly  patently 
pulchritudinous! 

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:14:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 6B8356C6-6B0A-4D84-8E77-DC9653BE0FB5.jpeg]What a day. The shop 
> called with an assortment of issues they are having in getting the polished 
> look they imagined. Thankfully, none of those things will keep the bike in 
> the shop. I picked it up today! There it was, amongst the full suspension 
> mountain bikes and the bros who were working on them. But I did not need to 
> feel sheepish - those guys raved about my unfortunately named Platypus. “We 
> all watched when it got taken out of the box,” Adam said, “And we were so 
> impressed.” I think for folks who never do dyno or rendering, they did a 
> nice job. I broke them in with my Clem’s dyno this summer, and they 
> remembered. I am glad the most intense parts of building my bikes are over 
> for them; I know they put a lot of time into these jobs and there was a 
> learning curve for them. 
>
> Their issues were these:
> 1. Too much dyno wire. It is looped and tucked away by the kickstand plate 
> for now, but one guy is comfortable cutting/soldering the wire and could do 
> it in the future, by appointment.
>
> 2. The mechanic mashed the “head tube collar” (did I say it right?) with 
> his rather old wrench and has ordered a new one to replace it, free of 
> charge.
>
> 3. My NItto Big Rear Rack, size medium will NOT fit on this bike. I’ll 
> call Rivendell and ask about the large. Such a shame; that was one of the 
> parts I saved from my Betty Foy.
>  
> My issues are these:
> 1. My teal and rose anodized valve stems and caps are in transit from 
> Analog, so I will need the shop to install them when they arrive. (My tires 
> are tubeless, so the tape will be disturbed. I’m not attempting that 
> myself!)
>
> 2. I forgot to explain about the Microshift thumbies. The shop set them up 
> right and I wanted them set up wrong. If you don’t know what I mean, 
> Rivendell switches the Microshift thumbies around for a completely 
> ergonomic experience. I’d have never known about it but Lovely Bicycle 
> discovered it on her black Clementine. So, I got home, noticed they are all 
> wrong and therefore cannot set up my bars yet. No mirror, bell, iPhone 
> mount, NOTHING. A real handicap.
>
> 3. There is an intermittent rattle coming from somewhere near the front 
> wheel. I dread explaining it to them but I can’t live with it, so I hope 
> they find it.
>
> I bought the frame and parts from Rivendell and the wheelset, fenders, 
> dyno lighting and pedals from Analog. Everyone did a lovely job. The build 
> from Rivendell was pretty standard. I stayed with my favorite aluminum 
> Bosco bars and got white Ergon grips for them. Analog did a lot of fun 
> things with color for the bike; we decided on teal and rose for my 
> raspberry frame. For wheels, we initially chose Velocity Quill rims with 
> rose anodizing. Unfortunately, Velocity was so backordered that my 
> September order would not arrive until middle of December. So, I went with 
> polished silver. That took a big piece of our rose out of the frame, which 
> was unfortunate. We still incorporated it in our Edelux light, bottle cage 
> bolts and caps for the valve stems. We anodized the Spank Oozy pedals in 
> teal (and don’t those wide pedals look like Platypus feet?), as well as the 
> headset spacers. Spoke nipples and valve stems. We kept the hubs silver and 
> I even splurged for the SON dyno hub. I ordered a Spurcycle bell, a custom 
> color Randi Jo bag (not here yet) and a grey grid Banana Sax. I think that 
> about covers it!
>
> I took the bike for an 11 mile ride tonight, up and down Killer Hill. This 
> bicycle is a completely different animal (ha! Platypus puns!). It’s nothing 
> like my Clementine, even though it has the same 52 Bosco bars and Ergon 
> grips. Mounting a Platypus is like climbing into your SUV when you’ve been 
> used to your minivan. Those 700c wheels sit you up nice and tall, and the 
> bike is shorter in length than the Clementine, more compact. I find the 
> Platypus to be agile; I never try a sharp turn on my Clem; it would be akin 
> to trying to turn a long boat sharply. 
>
> After only 11 miles I can only offer my impressions, but I may not hold to 
> them once I get more miles under my wheels.
>
> The Platypus is just easy. It climbs really nicely, accelerates easily and 
> is just the fanciest darn bike I’ve ever seen. But it isn’t a doily. You’ll 
> be amused to know the first thing I did was kick the top tube with my boot 
> heel in the parking lot. (The mark rubbed off.) After riding nearly 3,000 
> miles on a step through this year, that mixte tube is going to take getting 
> used to. My husband said the bike is really fancy; the prettiest details 
> he’s ever seen. But it’s not a retro show bike - it’s a bike that looks 
> like it is actually going to be ridden. 
>
> I have 

[RBW] Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater 
available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan

This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, vest 
and now cardigan).

Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome 
garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.

Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday" 
AKA every day.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Alex in Rochester, NY

(Essential sweater weather is here ❄)

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[RBW] XL Gus--possibly up for sale

[a spen]

Hi Folks,
I'm sending out a "feeler" to see the level of interest in a new, blue, 
never built up, XL Gus Boots.  
New, and ships in the original box.  

The Story: After obtaining this one, the opportunity for another Riv that 
I'd been pining for arose so I"m  trying to gauge interest in this one.  
 
Price would be in the range of $1700 shipped for F/F/HS

So, to be clear, I'm trying to decide between my (nothing less than 
wonderful) Riv-options, and this will help me to that end.

Please shoot me a message if interested and let's explore our options

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Bike Radar discovers the S24O

[ascpgh]

I guess this'd be useful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcZv4mLHqdI

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh


On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 5:14:14 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I get email feeds from this British cycling "news" source. I thought it 
> was fun to see them take a friend who was quite a newbie to non-pavement on 
> their trip. 
>
> Their ride and the self sufficiency seemed to ooze the newness of the 
> activity that I recall folks feeling when Grant first named the Sub 24 hour 
> overnight bike ride in the Rivendell Reader. They'd been doing those for a 
> while before the name,  it just took some thought to realize how odd it 
> seemed to those outside their circle. I mean it was the early '90s and road 
> was road (crit bikes, tri bikes, 700x23 was a fat training tire) and 
> mountain was getting all huffed up on suspension. Carrying things on a bike 
> to camp implied "touring" and you needed front and rear panniers on your 
> RB-T to carry all of the special items for bike camping. 
>
> These three didn't necessarily see their trip as a stepping stone to 
> longer self sufficient trips using little more gear than they had this 
> time. They never even mentioned the Rough Stuff Fellowship (UK, 1955-).
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>

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[RBW] Bike Radar discovers the S24O

[ascpgh]

I get email feeds from this British cycling "news" source. I thought it was 
fun to see them take a friend who was quite a newbie to non-pavement on 
their trip. 

Their ride and the self sufficiency seemed to ooze the newness of the 
activity that I recall folks feeling when Grant first named the Sub 24 hour 
overnight bike ride in the Rivendell Reader. They'd been doing those for a 
while before the name,  it just took some thought to realize how odd it 
seemed to those outside their circle. I mean it was the early '90s and road 
was road (crit bikes, tri bikes, 700x23 was a fat training tire) and 
mountain was getting all huffed up on suspension. Carrying things on a bike 
to camp implied "touring" and you needed front and rear panniers on your 
RB-T to carry all of the special items for bike camping. 

These three didn't necessarily see their trip as a stepping stone to longer 
self sufficient trips using little more gear than they had this time. They 
never even mentioned the Rough Stuff Fellowship (UK, 1955-).

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[ascpgh]

Just fantastic Leah. I've particularly appreciated your move to the dark 
side and generator powered lamps, it lets you be your own light. Your 
riding and writing always projected that, now your night riding brings it 
home. 

Enjoy those next 150 miles. May they be dark!

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:14:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 6B8356C6-6B0A-4D84-8E77-DC9653BE0FB5.jpeg]What a day. The shop 
> called with an assortment of issues they are having in getting the polished 
> look they imagined. Thankfully, none of those things will keep the bike in 
> the shop. I picked it up today! There it was, amongst the full suspension 
> mountain bikes and the bros who were working on them. But I did not need to 
> feel sheepish - those guys raved about my unfortunately named Platypus. “We 
> all watched when it got taken out of the box,” Adam said, “And we were so 
> impressed.” I think for folks who never do dyno or rendering, they did a 
> nice job. I broke them in with my Clem’s dyno this summer, and they 
> remembered. I am glad the most intense parts of building my bikes are over 
> for them; I know they put a lot of time into these jobs and there was a 
> learning curve for them. 
>
> Their issues were these:
> 1. Too much dyno wire. It is looped and tucked away by the kickstand plate 
> for now, but one guy is comfortable cutting/soldering the wire and could do 
> it in the future, by appointment.
>
> 2. The mechanic mashed the “head tube collar” (did I say it right?) with 
> his rather old wrench and has ordered a new one to replace it, free of 
> charge.
>
> 3. My NItto Big Rear Rack, size medium will NOT fit on this bike. I’ll 
> call Rivendell and ask about the large. Such a shame; that was one of the 
> parts I saved from my Betty Foy.
>  
> My issues are these:
> 1. My teal and rose anodized valve stems and caps are in transit from 
> Analog, so I will need the shop to install them when they arrive. (My tires 
> are tubeless, so the tape will be disturbed. I’m not attempting that 
> myself!)
>
> 2. I forgot to explain about the Microshift thumbies. The shop set them up 
> right and I wanted them set up wrong. If you don’t know what I mean, 
> Rivendell switches the Microshift thumbies around for a completely 
> ergonomic experience. I’d have never known about it but Lovely Bicycle 
> discovered it on her black Clementine. So, I got home, noticed they are all 
> wrong and therefore cannot set up my bars yet. No mirror, bell, iPhone 
> mount, NOTHING. A real handicap.
>
> 3. There is an intermittent rattle coming from somewhere near the front 
> wheel. I dread explaining it to them but I can’t live with it, so I hope 
> they find it.
>
> I bought the frame and parts from Rivendell and the wheelset, fenders, 
> dyno lighting and pedals from Analog. Everyone did a lovely job. The build 
> from Rivendell was pretty standard. I stayed with my favorite aluminum 
> Bosco bars and got white Ergon grips for them. Analog did a lot of fun 
> things with color for the bike; we decided on teal and rose for my 
> raspberry frame. For wheels, we initially chose Velocity Quill rims with 
> rose anodizing. Unfortunately, Velocity was so backordered that my 
> September order would not arrive until middle of December. So, I went with 
> polished silver. That took a big piece of our rose out of the frame, which 
> was unfortunate. We still incorporated it in our Edelux light, bottle cage 
> bolts and caps for the valve stems. We anodized the Spank Oozy pedals in 
> teal (and don’t those wide pedals look like Platypus feet?), as well as the 
> headset spacers. Spoke nipples and valve stems. We kept the hubs silver and 
> I even splurged for the SON dyno hub. I ordered a Spurcycle bell, a custom 
> color Randi Jo bag (not here yet) and a grey grid Banana Sax. I think that 
> about covers it!
>
> I took the bike for an 11 mile ride tonight, up and down Killer Hill. This 
> bicycle is a completely different animal (ha! Platypus puns!). It’s nothing 
> like my Clementine, even though it has the same 52 Bosco bars and Ergon 
> grips. Mounting a Platypus is like climbing into your SUV when you’ve been 
> used to your minivan. Those 700c wheels sit you up nice and tall, and the 
> bike is shorter in length than the Clementine, more compact. I find the 
> Platypus to be agile; I never try a sharp turn on my Clem; it would be akin 
> to trying to turn a long boat sharply. 
>
> After only 11 miles I can only offer my impressions, but I may not hold to 
> them once I get more miles under my wheels.
>
> The Platypus is just easy. It climbs really nicely, accelerates easily and 
> is just the fanciest darn bike I’ve ever seen. But it isn’t a doily. You’ll 
> be amused to know the first thing I did was kick the top tube with my boot 
> heel in the parking lot. (The mark rubbed off.) After riding nearly 3,000 
> miles on a step through this year, that mixte tube is going to take