[RBW] Re: Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59cm

[Joe Bernard]

The build is great, I said so when I was the one to alert the list to this 
bike. I'm smack talking that the price keeps rising. 



On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:20:11 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> I think it's a shame how comfortable folks are on this forum about smack 
> talking someone else's build. That's a cool looking bike and I hope someone 
> will enjoy it. 
>
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 11:45:54 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> For sale and appreciating daily! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 5:31:42 AM UTC-8 i wrote:
>>
>>> It looks nice! For sale?
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7247895131.html
>>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-5 EricP wrote:
>>>
 Very nice build. This kind of build reminds me of why Grant, et.al, 
 look at the Clem as the modern version of the old Stumpjumpers and other 
 early west coast style mountain bikes with the long chainstays. 

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:49:53 PM UTC-6 Jordan Dean wrote:

> [image: LapRoeQVSVWHA9Pgb3PWiA.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Berthoud vs. Brooks Saddlebag mounts

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/19/20 10:04 PM, Alex K wrote:
Considering a Gilles Berthoud saddle, as I've found that I really like 
a custom cutout on a Brooks B17 that I have.  I now have amassed a 
small collection of saddlebags and I'm wondering if the mounting loops 
on the back of the Berthoud Aspin saddle are spaced similarly to the 
ones on my Brooks B17 Ti.  Mostly concerned about my Sackville BagBoy 
and the Happisack.  I've grown pretty accustomed to riding with a 
saddlebag and it would be nice if the ones I have are easily mountable 
on my new saddle.  Any thoughts on Berthoud vs. Brooks are welcome.



Yes, the bag loops on a Berthoud Aspin/Aravis are spaced about the same 
distance apart as those on a B.17 and fit the straps on a Carradice 
about as well.  The slots are rather different than B.17 loops and you 
have to slide the straps in a bit differently (they're more like long 
tunnels than flat pieces of metal with holes in them) but they work just 
fine.



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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59cm

[Lucky]

I think it's a shame how comfortable folks are on this forum about smack 
talking someone else's build. That's a cool looking bike and I hope someone 
will enjoy it. 

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 11:45:54 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> For sale and appreciating daily! 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 5:31:42 AM UTC-8 i wrote:
>
>> It looks nice! For sale?
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7247895131.html
>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-5 EricP wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice build. This kind of build reminds me of why Grant, et.al, 
>>> look at the Clem as the modern version of the old Stumpjumpers and other 
>>> early west coast style mountain bikes with the long chainstays. 
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:49:53 PM UTC-6 Jordan Dean wrote:
>>>
 [image: LapRoeQVSVWHA9Pgb3PWiA.jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Berthoud vs. Brooks Saddlebag mounts

[Alex K]

Considering a Gilles Berthoud saddle, as I've found that I really like a 
custom cutout on a Brooks B17 that I have.  I now have amassed a small 
collection of saddlebags and I'm wondering if the mounting loops on the 
back of the Berthoud Aspin saddle are spaced similarly to the ones on my 
Brooks B17 Ti.  Mostly concerned about my Sackville BagBoy and the 
Happisack.  I've grown pretty accustomed to riding with a saddlebag and it 
would be nice if the ones I have are easily mountable on my new saddle.  
Any thoughts on Berthoud vs. Brooks are welcome.
Thanks 

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[RBW] Re: Wanted to Buy: Downtube Shifter Clamp / Adapter

[Evan E.]

Hi George. Thank you! I’ll send you a private message. 

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 4:40:31 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> It's probably not exactly what you're looking for, but I have Suntour DT 
> shifters w/ clamp that can be yours just for the asking.  I'll even ship on 
> my expense - I just want to clear out my inventory.  Let me know if you're 
> interested.
>
> [image: DSCN0951.JPG]
>
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-6 Evan E. wrote:
>
>> I’m looking for a downtube shifter clamp to which I can attach some 
>> Rivendell Silver downtube shifters (the shifters that Rivendell offered 
>> about seven years ago, based on the old Suntour Sprint micro-ratcheting 
>> shifters, if I recall). If you have one such clamp , 28.6, silver, that 
>> you’re willing to sell, please let me know. Thanks. And happy holidays!
>>
>> Evan Elliot in San Francisco
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Winter Tire Recs

[Michael Morrissey]

I have a pair of 26” studded schwalbes winter marathons I could sell you. I 
moved to Manhattan since Covid hit and I just walk to work instead of 
biking now, so I’m not rocking the studded tires this season. Studded tires 
are awesome. 

If not, I recommend some other type of Schwalbe tires. 

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 8:44:41 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pros, because January through April's gonna see more 
> snow than ever!, probably won't melt until July in Northern Jersey, maybe 
> August. 
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:46:15 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I put a pair of Snoqualmie Pass tires on my BMC monster cross this spring 
>> and rode the hell out of them all summer, but as it gets colder and my 
>> riding is increasingly restricted to commuting, I find myself using the 
>> bike less and less. Objectively, I've had one puncture in about 1000 miles, 
>> which is a lot better than the ostensibly tougher Pasela Protites I had on 
>> the bike before. But I still don't find the Herse tires especially 
>> confidence-inspiring in winter conditions, especially when I can't see the 
>> road surface that well. I have some Riv gift credit forthcoming and I'm 
>> thinking about getting some Shikoro's or Cazadero's in the 42mm size to put 
>> on until brevet season gets going again in the spring. Those of you who've 
>> used these Soma tires--is it worth swapping? Or should I trust in the 
>> Herse's until experience shows otherwise? 
>>
>> Brady in Fort Lee, NJ 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - 61 cm Bleriot

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Folks
The Bleriot has a new owner. Thank you

Mike SLO CA

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:41:04 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
> 61 cm Bleriot, $1400.  Pickup or arranged pick up from San Luis Obispo 
> would be great, but can ship, buyer pays shipping.  Got this bike from 
> fellow ibob, then ended up with two bikes in rapid succession cuz I could 
> not pass them up. This is a really cool bike, but I want to keep the same 
> wheel/tire size in the quiver and N-1 will achieve my downsize goal. 
>
> "they" say it is here, but I don't see it yet. 
>
> https://slo.craigslist.org/bik/d/san-luis-obispo-rivendell-bleriot/7240847717.html
>  
>
> Mike SLO CA  spokenhubmg at gmail.com
>

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[RBW] Re: Winter Tire Recs

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pros, because January through April's gonna see more 
snow than ever!, probably won't melt until July in Northern Jersey, maybe 
August. 
-Kai

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:46:15 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:

> I put a pair of Snoqualmie Pass tires on my BMC monster cross this spring 
> and rode the hell out of them all summer, but as it gets colder and my 
> riding is increasingly restricted to commuting, I find myself using the 
> bike less and less. Objectively, I've had one puncture in about 1000 miles, 
> which is a lot better than the ostensibly tougher Pasela Protites I had on 
> the bike before. But I still don't find the Herse tires especially 
> confidence-inspiring in winter conditions, especially when I can't see the 
> road surface that well. I have some Riv gift credit forthcoming and I'm 
> thinking about getting some Shikoro's or Cazadero's in the 42mm size to put 
> on until brevet season gets going again in the spring. Those of you who've 
> used these Soma tires--is it worth swapping? Or should I trust in the 
> Herse's until experience shows otherwise? 
>
> Brady in Fort Lee, NJ 
>

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[RBW] Winter Tire Recs

[Brady Smith]

I put a pair of Snoqualmie Pass tires on my BMC monster cross this spring 
and rode the hell out of them all summer, but as it gets colder and my 
riding is increasingly restricted to commuting, I find myself using the 
bike less and less. Objectively, I've had one puncture in about 1000 miles, 
which is a lot better than the ostensibly tougher Pasela Protites I had on 
the bike before. But I still don't find the Herse tires especially 
confidence-inspiring in winter conditions, especially when I can't see the 
road surface that well. I have some Riv gift credit forthcoming and I'm 
thinking about getting some Shikoro's or Cazadero's in the 42mm size to put 
on until brevet season gets going again in the spring. Those of you who've 
used these Soma tires--is it worth swapping? Or should I trust in the 
Herse's until experience shows otherwise? 

Brady in Fort Lee, NJ 

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My Paul Mini Motos for Your Paul Cantis

[Collin A]

Well, that was quick...

No more Pauls, but I am still looking for those TRP levers and a silver 
shifter bar end pod...

Cheers,
Collin, Operation Warp *Speedier*, in Sacramento

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 1:46:42 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Currently trying a cockpit switch, that turned into a brake switch, but 
> the minimotos aren't giving me enough clearance with the current tire and 
> fender setup I like. SO, I have a set of pretty much unused mini-motos in 
> silver lying in my parts box, taunting me, and threatening to make me buy 
> another bike to put them on...
>
> I am looking for a set of Paul Touring/Neo Retro cantis, ideally silver. 
> If you also have some spare cable hangers I'll grab those as well :). 
> Depending on condition, we can haggle/negotiate, but that'll be for later.
>
> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SWnGPZgUjZ5AUwzX6
>
> I'm also looking for some TRP RRL levers and one silver bar end shifter 
> pod, if anyone is holding.
>
> Hope everyone is staying safe,
> Collin in Sacramento
>

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[RBW] Re: Wanted to Buy: Downtube Shifter Clamp / Adapter

[Evan E.]

Yep! I may end up buying the whole SunRace unit for less than the cost of a 
clamp alone. But for the next few weeks at least, I'll hope for a 
clamp alone -- used and old. Thanks!

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 12:30:05 PM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:

> Universal Cycles has the Sun race entire unit for $10.  Problem Solvers 
> has a clamp for $40.
>
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-6 Evan E. wrote:
>
>> I’m looking for a downtube shifter clamp to which I can attach some 
>> Rivendell Silver downtube shifters (the shifters that Rivendell offered 
>> about seven years ago, based on the old Suntour Sprint micro-ratcheting 
>> shifters, if I recall). If you have one such clamp , 28.6, silver, that 
>> you’re willing to sell, please let me know. Thanks. And happy holidays!
>>
>> Evan Elliot in San Francisco
>>
>

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[RBW] WTT: My Paul Mini Motos for Your Paul Cantis

[Collin A]

Hi Folks,

Currently trying a cockpit switch, that turned into a brake switch, but the 
minimotos aren't giving me enough clearance with the current tire and 
fender setup I like. SO, I have a set of pretty much unused mini-motos in 
silver lying in my parts box, taunting me, and threatening to make me buy 
another bike to put them on...

I am looking for a set of Paul Touring/Neo Retro cantis, ideally silver. If 
you also have some spare cable hangers I'll grab those as well :). 
Depending on condition, we can haggle/negotiate, but that'll be for later.

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SWnGPZgUjZ5AUwzX6

I'm also looking for some TRP RRL levers and one silver bar end shifter 
pod, if anyone is holding.

Hope everyone is staying safe,
Collin in Sacramento

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[RBW] Re: Wanted to Buy: Downtube Shifter Clamp / Adapter

[Fullylugged]

Universal Cycles has the Sun race entire unit for $10.  Problem Solvers has 
a clamp for $40.

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-6 Evan E. wrote:

> I’m looking for a downtube shifter clamp to which I can attach some 
> Rivendell Silver downtube shifters (the shifters that Rivendell offered 
> about seven years ago, based on the old Suntour Sprint micro-ratcheting 
> shifters, if I recall). If you have one such clamp , 28.6, silver, that 
> you’re willing to sell, please let me know. Thanks. And happy holidays!
>
> Evan Elliot in San Francisco
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59cm

[Joe Bernard]

For sale and appreciating daily! 



On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 5:31:42 AM UTC-8 i wrote:

> It looks nice! For sale?
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7247895131.html
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-5 EricP wrote:
>
>> Very nice build. This kind of build reminds me of why Grant, et.al, look 
>> at the Clem as the modern version of the old Stumpjumpers and other early 
>> west coast style mountain bikes with the long chainstays. 
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:49:53 PM UTC-6 Jordan Dean wrote:
>>
>>> [image: LapRoeQVSVWHA9Pgb3PWiA.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Wanted to Buy: Downtube Shifter Clamp / Adapter

[Evan E.]

I’m looking for a downtube shifter clamp to which I can attach some 
Rivendell Silver downtube shifters (the shifters that Rivendell offered 
about seven years ago, based on the old Suntour Sprint micro-ratcheting 
shifters, if I recall). If you have one such clamp , 28.6, silver, that 
you’re willing to sell, please let me know. Thanks. And happy holidays!

Evan Elliot in San Francisco

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Re: [RBW] Re: ROADUNO - a new singlespeed!

[Berkeleyan]

I'm sorry, it was my bad memory! The R were 45.3 mm across the tread and 
I needed more clearance.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclemoss/7531767556/in/datetaken-public/; 
title="P1030186">https://live.staticflickr.com/7106/7531767556_5a9dd3834f_k.jpg; 
width="2048" height="1370" alt="P1030186">

and I have a picture of their tight fit 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclemoss/7531752382/in/datetaken-public/; 
title="P1030193">https://live.staticflickr.com/8144/7531752382_6ec65a198e_k.jpg; 
width="2048" height="1370" alt="P1030193">

Andrew "losing my marbles" - Berkeley

On Thursday, December 17, 2020 at 8:08:14 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> I was puzzled by the 38mm R too. Mine are 700 x 43 and I thought that 
> was the only size in 700C?
>
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 11:05:04 PM UTC-5 Corwin wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> I admit I have an older [coleman green] Quickbeam. My 38mm Schwalbe 
>> Dureme Supremes fit with room to spare. My Rene Herse 38mm Barlow Pass 
>> tires fit with OODLES of room to spare. I have seen numerous posts and 
>> articles ascribing usage of 44mm tires on Quickbeams. Perhaps your Rock'n 
>> Roads are a little wider (only advertised width I have seen is 43/44mm). Or 
>> maybe my calipers need to be recalibrated.
>>
>> Anyway, I will stick with my Quickbeam.
>>
>> Namaste,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 5:58:54 PM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, after reading the obscure details on the R1, I stand corrected. 
>>> Despite the shocking shortcoming of its very limited PBH range, it has one 
>>> great advantage over the QB of yore, and THAT is support for wider tires. I 
>>> tried running Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Roads (38mm) on my Orange QB, and they 
>>> just only barely fit. Currently I roll on 38mm Ocean Air Soma C-Lines, 
>>> which fit just fine without fenders. But if the R1 will go well into the 
>>> mid-40's, yes, that is an improvement.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Philip Williamson]

Hi Philip, that Scottish bike life sounds ideal. I rode a rented mountain 
bike in the forest preserve near Loch Ard twenty-some years ago. Beautiful, 
steep, and sloppy riding, and I saw a team of horses pulling felled trees 
out of the forest!

I checked out that Kona, it’s pretty awesome. Fat tires and drop bars is 
where it’s at for me. I’m not a fan of the cables under the down tube, 
since they pick up gunk and trash, but if the bike is fenderable, that’s 
less of an issue. The dropper post is a nice thing to have, for sure. 

You might consider converting your MB-1 to fat light slick tires like the 
Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass (“RTP” for short) and drop bars like the On-One 
Midge. That would be a pretty fun bike for the riding you describe.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 9:30:37 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Actually I've ridden Big Bend & across the border into Baja & Nuevo Leon 
> many times! Mostly on dirt motorcycles but also some MTB stuff, I love the 
> desert too. I live full time on Dallas (my job is US based) & we're 
> commuting back & forward (well pre-COVID that was the plan at least) as we 
> build a house on Skye. Provided you can stand wind & rain, there's 
> tremendous riding in the Highlands & Islands all within easy reach, the 
> roads get busy with RVs & buses in the summer but the rest of the time it's 
> you & the wee ewes. Look on YouTube for cycling the Northwest 500, the 
> Hebridean Way (a short ferry ride from us) or the West Highland Way, 
> guarantee you'll be packing your bags!
>
> Since my goal is to ride to the trails, then ride the actual trails I'm 
> actually starting to think that I may need something a little more off-road 
> focused than the Rivendell's though? The Kona Sutra ULTD looks like an 
> interesting candidate with relaxed geometry & good 'ol steel bones. Of 
> course, nothing like the exquisite build or the great story of the Rivs...
>
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:08:20 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can't give you much help in answering your question -- my Rivendells 
>> have all been road bikes -- but I can say welcome to the group, and, please 
>> post more photos (and descriptions) of your Scottish riding environment. I 
>> myself live in the high-desert US Southwest, at the polar opposite, 
>> aesthetically and geographically, from your area, but my distant Celtic 
>> roots (Scots Irish on father's paternal side) feel a wave of nostalgia from 
>> such pictures as this one you posted.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:52:31 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson 
>> bike already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>> overnights.
>> >
>> > From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam 
>> Hillborne or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also 
>> recommended the Appaloosa.
>> >
>> > I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give. 
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Riv Bike Pics with Christmas Themed Background

[True Golden]

I wonder why this did not link to thread of same title from 10 days or so back.

Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[brendonoid]

And ignore my last post I was looking at the wrong tabs on my browser.


On Saturday, 19 December 2020 at 23:15:00 UTC+8 brendonoid wrote:

> The current (2020) 57cm appaloosa is also 10mm longer in the toptube than 
> the old (2017-2019) 58cm. This caught me offguard because they specifically 
> stated that all measurements were the same when they are not. Bike insights 
> is listing 61.5 TT when it is currently 62.5

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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[brendonoid]

The current (2020) 57cm appaloosa is also 10mm longer in the toptube than 
the old (2017-2019) 58cm. This caught me offguard because they specifically 
stated that all measurements were the same when they are not. Bike insights 
is listing 61.5 TT when it is currently 62.5

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59cm

[i]

It looks nice! For sale?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7247895131.html
On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-5 EricP wrote:

> Very nice build. This kind of build reminds me of why Grant, et.al, look 
> at the Clem as the modern version of the old Stumpjumpers and other early 
> west coast style mountain bikes with the long chainstays. 
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:49:53 PM UTC-6 Jordan Dean wrote:
>
>> [image: LapRoeQVSVWHA9Pgb3PWiA.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59cm

[EricP]

Very nice build. This kind of build reminds me of why Grant, et.al, look at 
the Clem as the modern version of the old Stumpjumpers and other early west 
coast style mountain bikes with the long chainstays. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:49:53 PM UTC-6 Jordan Dean wrote:

> [image: LapRoeQVSVWHA9Pgb3PWiA.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[James Valiensi]

Hi,
The RH instructions tell you to install the cranks dry. Which I did. This goes 
against my normal method. So, in the end I greased the spindle and bolt and 
tightened it all down. So, far so it has held up. 
My BB is a cheap Shimano. Perhaps the SKS BB has a better fit.

> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:54 PM, jack loudon  wrote:
> 
> Patrick: "Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, I 
> shall resolutely avoid buying one." 
> 
> There was a thread about RH cranks coming loose a few months back, and mine 
> are among a few that have had that issue. It happened more in the beginning 
> and decreased in frequency over time (mine are near 3 years old).  I got in 
> the habit of checking the tightness at least once a week.  I use socket hex 
> bolts instead of the supplied crank bolts, so carry a small hex key instead 
> of a big PB wrench.  I finally installed self-extractor caps over the bolts 
> (suggested by Mark Bulgier?) which act as locknuts and seem to have solved 
> the problem.   Like James, I've installed many cranksets in the past and the 
> bolts have always stayed tight.  I'm not sure what the problem is with these 
> cranks, but my guess is an imperfect fit with the BB spindle (mine is a Phil, 
> JIS taper).I still  like them but for $455 they shouldn't have any issues.
> 
> Jack - Seattle
> 
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:55:40 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
> I believe you. I wonder if your instance was a production outlier.
> 
> Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, I shall 
> resolutely avoid buying one.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:48 PM James Valiensi  > wrote:
> Patrick,
> I’ve mounted hundreds of tapered-square bottom brackets, only one came loose 
> and that was because I didn’t tighten it enough. 
> This one required much more tightening force than any other one I’ve dealt 
> with before (Campy, Shimano, TA, Sugino to mention a few I’ve worked on). 
> My RH crank came loose about 4 times, I started to carry a wrench after the 
> 2nd time. Finally, I figured I had nothing left to lose and put the breaker 
> bar to it. It’s been good for a few thousand miles since.
> 
> I’d love to have another on for my Joe Appaloosa. Maybe one day I’ll pony up 
> for another (pardon the pun). I would not recommend against it.  
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>> 
>> James's report on the RH crank surprised me, since I have thought that I 
>> might one day buy one. But this report of loosening does not make me 
>> confident.
>> 
>> Have others had the same experience with loosening?
>> 
>> Note: I am aware how hard it is to get a response from RH "customer 
>> service." My method to force things is to post an indignant message of 
>> complaint on the iBoblist, which seems somehow to chivvy the inert little 
>> gnomes of service into immediate, ingratiating action. Try it at home.
>> 
>> But back to RH cranks: do they loosen more than, say XD2s and Pro 5 Vises? I 
>> don't think I've had 1 crank out of scores if not hundreds come loose, 
>> except for very cheap Indian-made cottered ones that I probably installed 
>> with the wrong-sized cotter pin, and that was 50 years ago.
>> 
>> I certainly am not doubting James's experience, but I'd like to know others'.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Valiensi > > wrote:
>> Thanks for the kind words.
>> The Rene Herse crankset was on my list of most wanted parts for many years 
>> before I pulled the trigger.
>> It gave me a bunch of grief. It came loose several times. It wasn’t the 1st 
>> time I mounted a taper spindle crank set. I’ve done hundreds of times. The 
>> only time one came loose for me, was the very first time I did it. I 
>> couldn’t believe this one. I ended up using a breaker bar to tighten it down.
>> This was the end of my desire to send Jan Hein any more money. He has 
>> absolutely no customer service. No phone number listed, no responses to 
>> multiple emails, no help or support. He has all my contact info but refuses 
>> to give his out. He has nice parts, too bad they are not sold by better 
>> people.
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>> 
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Den John]

Ah, I was wonndering about that. Any idea how long those extensions
generally are? I'm wondering if I can get away without a riser stem.

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 03:13, Dave Johnston  wrote:

> I have found bikeinsights to be wrong on both Stack and Reach for
> Rivendell bikes. They don't take into account the head-tube extension built
> into Riv's lugs.
>
> -Dave J
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 8:53:13 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
>> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
>> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
>> 
>>
>> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Johnny,
>>>
>>> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from
>>> time to time on the iBOB group.
>>>
>>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm
>>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a
>>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry
>>> chart.
>>>
>>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>>>
>>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to
>>> know.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of
>>> these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most
>>> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU
>>> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>>>
>>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a
>>> bike from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Johnny in Belgium
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Re: [RBW] Stack & Reach for Joe Appaloosa & Atlantis

[Den John]

No worries, I already spent a good few hours fiddling with the various
models and options on there :-)

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 at 02:53, Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Whoops, sorry about that! Here are the frames you selected:
> White outline: 57 Appaloosa (2020)
> Black outline: 55 Atlantis (2019)
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e308654dcfe4e001737cc7d%2C5e1faf637f17da00170c6e27
> 
>
> Welcome to the list, Johnny!
>
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Den John  wrote:
>
> Thanks Matthew, that is incredibly helpful.
>
> Johnny
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2020 at 23:52, Matthew Williams <
> matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Johnny,
>>
>> Here's a site for comparing frames:
>>
>>
>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5b8578f548f3a30004789b07,5ad1288a9127aa0014fa1d9c=,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Den John  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My name is Johnny. I live in Belgium and I'm Riv Curious. I post from
>> time to time on the iBOB group.
>>
>> I've been obsessed with the idea of owning a Riv for a while. I'm
>> particularly interested in the Atlantis and Appaloosa.
>>
>> Could anyone tell me the stack & reach numbers for a 55cm Atlantis and a
>> 57cm Appaloosa (current models)? Riv doesn't list S on their geometry
>> chart.
>>
>> An image of the measurements I need is attached.
>>
>> I'd like to use wide drop bars, so stack & reach are quite important to
>> know.
>>
>> If anyone has any comments on the current long chainstay versions of
>> these bikes, I'd also be interested to hear. This seems to be the most
>> distinctive aspect, and the only way to get something like this in the EU
>> would be to go custom. I do have a bakfiets,
>> and the long wheelbase on that makes for a very nice ride.
>>
>> I suppose now is not really the best time to think about importing a bike
>> from the US to Europe, but never mind :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Johnny in Belgium
>>
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