[RBW] Re: Come ride a Riv in Charlotte, NC

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I would LOVE to go for a Pamela Murray ride. The question is: Could I keep 
up with her?!?

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 1:58:34 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> My sister and family lived in Highland Creek for 10ish years and it was 
> lovely!  My nephew now lives in Monroe and I'm hoping one day to visit and 
> see his babies.  Perhaps you and I can get together and go for a ride!
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 1:54:37 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Thanks to John De Lisle Crofts for letting me know my postcard is in 
>> Grant's lastest blog post.  If anyone wants to ride a Betty or Cheviot, 
>> please come to Charlotte, NC.  I have a 47 and 50 Betty and a 55 and 60 
>> Cheviot.  All set up a little different.  Come try out some bags, pedals, 
>> bars, etc.  or just come ride.  I also teach Cycling Savvy monthly.  You 
>> can take the course while you're here.  Or come borrow a bike and do a 
>> S24O.  You can borrow everything to see how you like it.  Our nearest local 
>> campground is 26 miles out.  I usually have a Warm Showers room but due to 
>> COVID don't like anyone in the house but you can camp in the backyard or 
>> screened in back porch.  Here's a better picture.  I was rushed getting my 
>> cards out so I didn't choose the best picture.   
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Studded Tire Experience, help

[Christopher Cote]

I am very fortunate, my bike stable runneth over. There was sort of a 
moment of "post peak fat bike" a few years ago when it was easy to pick 
them up.

Chris


On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 3:47:48 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Chris you are a lucky duck if you own two fat bikes! 
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 11:35:22 AM UTC-5 Christopher Cote wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> I have a Surly Wednesday and an Ice Cream Truck. The ICT sees 99% of the 
>> winter miles. The added float of the wider rims and tires is irreplaceable, 
>> IMHO. I just built up a second set of wheels for it this year, so now I 
>> have the stock wheels with 100mm rims and Vee Snowshoe 2XL (5.05" actual 
>> width!) for soft conditions, and the new wheels with 80mm rims and Terrene 
>> Johnny 5 studded tires for hardpack and/or icy conditions.
>>
>> Fat bikes are in very short supply right now, so if you want to buy one, 
>> you'll have to take what you can get. I would suggest avoiding anything 
>> with QR axles though, as through axles are pretty much standard now. Also, 
>> don't fall into the 27.5x3.8" trap. Get a bike with true 26x4.6-5" 
>> wheels/tires.
>>
>> You mentioned late season transition. I'm sorry that I have to tell you 
>> about mud season. Typically, the trails go from snow to mud in a very short 
>> time in the spring, and it's off limits until things dry out.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 11:18:42 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link!  I actually just moved here from Brooklyn.  Riding 
>>> around the city on snowy days was one of my favorite things to do.  Just 
>>> unfortunate the city saw so little snow the last couple of years.  And yes, 
>>> I agree with you on the green of the ICT -- I love it.  I had originally 
>>> thought it would be the smart choice, but after reading a bunch of reviews 
>>> and commentaries, decided that the less aggressive Wednesday would be 
>>> better.  A lot of people also feel the q-factor is just too extreme.
>>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> I'm on the coast a bit north of you in Camden, and ride primarily on the 
>>> local trails here -- in Camden State Park, Snow Bowl, etc.  I really 
>>> appreciated hearing your advice -- it's seeming like the consensus says a 
>>> fatbike is the way to go if I'm going to be able to continue riding trails 
>>> in the snow(whether packed or groomed or unpacked.)  Glad I'm figuring this 
>>> out now as the 29 x 2.6" studded tires would be a $400 investment.  Not at 
>>> all worth it to me if it's only going to be fun using them during the early 
>>> and late season transitions.  H.  What kind of fatbike do you ride?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-5 Christopher Cote wrote:
>>>
 Hi  David. Maine native and avid fat bike and winter cycling enthusiast 
 here. You didn't say which part of the state you are in. This makes a 
 difference, north or south, coastal or mountains, the weather and snow 
 conditions are quite different. I'm guessing, since you're asking about 
 riding on icy, packed trails, that like me, you are in the southern part 
 of 
 the state. My observation of the last several years is that you typically 
 would get a few days a year at most where skinny (meaning not fat bike 
 tires, less than 3.8" actual width) studded tires are usable. The current 
 conditions here contradict that, but if there's nothing else to know about 
 Maine winter trail conditions, know that they're variable and change 
 rapidly. Looking at the long range forecast, if you buy some skinny studs 
 now, you might get a week or more use out of them, at least. This is 
 unusual.

 Something to note is that many local trail groups have bought snow 
 groomers in the past few years, and they put a lot of time and money into 
 grooming the trails. Please, please, do not ride skinny tires on groomed 
 trails. If you slice ruts into them, no one will be happy. There's a 
 growing community of fat bike riders and more and more opportunities to 
 ride in the winter. My 2 cents is if you want to really enjoy trail riding 
 here in the winter, get a fat bike. One that can fit 26x5" tires is best, 
 as that will give you the most opportunity to ride in the widest range of 
 conditions.

 Chris


 On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 9:48:58 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I recently moved to Maine, and would really like to keep riding trails 
> even in these snowy, icy conditions.  So, I'm hoping for some advice.  I 
> initially thought a fat bike might be in order, but after diving deep 
> into 
> Surly Wednesday research, I've decided that it's just not for me -- I'd 
> much rather ski, or even snowshoe, if there's a significant amount of 
> new, 
> unpacked snow.  What I'm mostly 

[RBW] WTB: Paul touring cantis

[Eric Marth]

If anyone has a set of Paul touring cantis for two wheels that they'd be 
willing to part with please hit me up! 

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[RBW] Re: Come ride a Riv in Charlotte, NC

[Roberta]

My sister and family lived in Highland Creek for 10ish years and it was 
lovely!  My nephew now lives in Monroe and I'm hoping one day to visit and 
see his babies.  Perhaps you and I can get together and go for a ride!
Roberta

On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 1:54:37 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Thanks to John De Lisle Crofts for letting me know my postcard is in 
> Grant's lastest blog post.  If anyone wants to ride a Betty or Cheviot, 
> please come to Charlotte, NC.  I have a 47 and 50 Betty and a 55 and 60 
> Cheviot.  All set up a little different.  Come try out some bags, pedals, 
> bars, etc.  or just come ride.  I also teach Cycling Savvy monthly.  You 
> can take the course while you're here.  Or come borrow a bike and do a 
> S24O.  You can borrow everything to see how you like it.  Our nearest local 
> campground is 26 miles out.  I usually have a Warm Showers room but due to 
> COVID don't like anyone in the house but you can camp in the backyard or 
> screened in back porch.  Here's a better picture.  I was rushed getting my 
> cards out so I didn't choose the best picture.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Roberta]

I'm looking forward to getting my Platty in the mermaid blue, and Analog 
cycles will be building it up for me.  I haven't gotten to any of the 
specifics, but seeing all the colorful, personalized bikes on the board, 
especially from Leah and Mark, I'm going to move away a little from the 
classic looks that I like so much into more fun colors.   

We can buy many already packaged anodized parts, for just a few dollars 
more than the standard silver versions.  So, I'll be getting some color in 
the spoke nipples and cap, perhaps chain ring bolts, headset spacer, 
headlight.  If you saw the Riv story on Instagram a few weeks ago of the 
blue EduluxII light on the blue Homer, that was mine (a local Riv-loving 
but not Riv dealer, Keystone Bikes installed that), and the blue vs silver 
was just $15.   I love the look!

I have a black saddle and pedals and the white and black grips that BBDD 
has.  I'll be getting silver rack, fenders, and a kickstand, because all of 
those make the bike so darn practical, along with its mixte style.  I'll 
probably be selling my beloved Joe Appaloosa, because I don't need three 
bikes.

Roberta

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 11:28:16 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yes, you must build your Platybee in solidarity with Platypus owners 
> country-wide. I think we need a new thread when the Platypuses land, and it 
> should be titled, Platypuses on Parade.
>
> Yes, you are king of the Hillibikes. And your collection is comprised of 
> the most colorful and fun bicycles. They have no rivals! 
>
> I hope we get a newsletter from Rivendell soon that gives us a date for 
> the Platypus pre-order. I think those bikes are going to disappear within a 
> couple hours of launch.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 4, 2021, at 2:59 AM, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I never get tired of looking at this bicycle. I wish I was one of the 
> folks gathering parts parts for an upcoming Platypus build (those would be 
> your platyparts, of course) but 2021 will be the year I finish the existing 
> build experiments in my queue and start to make some brutal downsizing 
> decisions, and the Platypus would just not be unredundant enough to justify 
> itself in the lineup. Plus I'm tapped after three Hillibikes coming on line 
> in 2020, which were funded in part from an influx of unexpected bike slush 
> fund cash.
>
> Having announced that lofty goal, one of the frames in my to do list is a 
> Schwinn Le Tour mixte. This will be my 5th such project with this model. I 
> picked up a complete 1977 Le Tour II in Violet over the Thanksgiving 
> holiday as my Platybee (a bike that wants to be a Platypus). It is 
> currently stripped down and waiting for me to see what is in the parts box. 
> I just recently came into possession of a nice Mavic/Campy wheel set for 
> it; going from 27" to 700c on these allows for 35mm tires to fit, though 
> this sounds darn skinny these days. Maybe out of solidarity I will start 
> the build when the Platypus frames arrive. I look forward to seeing the new 
> bikes take shape (with just a tinge of jealousy in my soul).
>
> 
>
> 
>
> On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 6:32:59 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 4AFE365B-C68C-46F4-A214-CAF3AF3A5949.jpeg]It’s going to be your 
>> turn! It’s finally 2021 and January is the month of the mixte, or so the 
>> Riv site says. I’m really excited to see everyone’s new bikes and how each 
>> one is set up. Did anyone get a Platypus voucher for a Christmas present? 
>> Or maybe no excuse was necessary - you’re just getting it. What do you have 
>> in mind for your new bike? Commuter? Adventure bike? Rambler? Errands? 
>>
>> You’re in for such a treat. The bike is light, fun, gorgeous, and very 
>> capable. I can’t wait to hear your news and see your photos. If you’re on 
>> Instagram, Rivendell has an official hashtag for us to use: #rbwplatypus. 
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Found Wheel in Seattle

[Rich Lesnik]

I just got a call from a fellow who found a Deore XT/Dyad 700/36 wheel with 
the Hands on Wheels sticker. Just lying on the sidewalk. If anyone in the 
Seattle Area (found in the Magnolia neighborhood) lost a bike or wheel like 
that, let me know and I'll give you his number. Nice guy, used to work at 
Ocean Cyclery in SF.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[J Schwartz]

Medium shirt is sold
thanks everyone 

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 3:27:53 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

>
> Pit-to-Pit : 22"
> across shoulder along yoke: 16"
> sleeve: 24"
> I've had some interest but no sale yetthere are a couple people 
> potentially in line however
>

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[RBW] Re: Studded Tire Experience, help

[Michael Morrissey]

Chris you are a lucky duck if you own two fat bikes! 

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 11:35:22 AM UTC-5 Christopher Cote wrote:

> David,
>
> I have a Surly Wednesday and an Ice Cream Truck. The ICT sees 99% of the 
> winter miles. The added float of the wider rims and tires is irreplaceable, 
> IMHO. I just built up a second set of wheels for it this year, so now I 
> have the stock wheels with 100mm rims and Vee Snowshoe 2XL (5.05" actual 
> width!) for soft conditions, and the new wheels with 80mm rims and Terrene 
> Johnny 5 studded tires for hardpack and/or icy conditions.
>
> Fat bikes are in very short supply right now, so if you want to buy one, 
> you'll have to take what you can get. I would suggest avoiding anything 
> with QR axles though, as through axles are pretty much standard now. Also, 
> don't fall into the 27.5x3.8" trap. Get a bike with true 26x4.6-5" 
> wheels/tires.
>
> You mentioned late season transition. I'm sorry that I have to tell you 
> about mud season. Typically, the trails go from snow to mud in a very short 
> time in the spring, and it's off limits until things dry out.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 11:18:42 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Thanks for the link!  I actually just moved here from Brooklyn.  Riding 
>> around the city on snowy days was one of my favorite things to do.  Just 
>> unfortunate the city saw so little snow the last couple of years.  And yes, 
>> I agree with you on the green of the ICT -- I love it.  I had originally 
>> thought it would be the smart choice, but after reading a bunch of reviews 
>> and commentaries, decided that the less aggressive Wednesday would be 
>> better.  A lot of people also feel the q-factor is just too extreme.
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I'm on the coast a bit north of you in Camden, and ride primarily on the 
>> local trails here -- in Camden State Park, Snow Bowl, etc.  I really 
>> appreciated hearing your advice -- it's seeming like the consensus says a 
>> fatbike is the way to go if I'm going to be able to continue riding trails 
>> in the snow(whether packed or groomed or unpacked.)  Glad I'm figuring this 
>> out now as the 29 x 2.6" studded tires would be a $400 investment.  Not at 
>> all worth it to me if it's only going to be fun using them during the early 
>> and late season transitions.  H.  What kind of fatbike do you ride?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-5 Christopher Cote wrote:
>>
>>> Hi  David. Maine native and avid fat bike and winter cycling enthusiast 
>>> here. You didn't say which part of the state you are in. This makes a 
>>> difference, north or south, coastal or mountains, the weather and snow 
>>> conditions are quite different. I'm guessing, since you're asking about 
>>> riding on icy, packed trails, that like me, you are in the southern part of 
>>> the state. My observation of the last several years is that you typically 
>>> would get a few days a year at most where skinny (meaning not fat bike 
>>> tires, less than 3.8" actual width) studded tires are usable. The current 
>>> conditions here contradict that, but if there's nothing else to know about 
>>> Maine winter trail conditions, know that they're variable and change 
>>> rapidly. Looking at the long range forecast, if you buy some skinny studs 
>>> now, you might get a week or more use out of them, at least. This is 
>>> unusual.
>>>
>>> Something to note is that many local trail groups have bought snow 
>>> groomers in the past few years, and they put a lot of time and money into 
>>> grooming the trails. Please, please, do not ride skinny tires on groomed 
>>> trails. If you slice ruts into them, no one will be happy. There's a 
>>> growing community of fat bike riders and more and more opportunities to 
>>> ride in the winter. My 2 cents is if you want to really enjoy trail riding 
>>> here in the winter, get a fat bike. One that can fit 26x5" tires is best, 
>>> as that will give you the most opportunity to ride in the widest range of 
>>> conditions.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 9:48:58 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I recently moved to Maine, and would really like to keep riding trails 
 even in these snowy, icy conditions.  So, I'm hoping for some advice.  I 
 initially thought a fat bike might be in order, but after diving deep into 
 Surly Wednesday research, I've decided that it's just not for me -- I'd 
 much rather ski, or even snowshoe, if there's a significant amount of new, 
 unpacked snow.  What I'm mostly interested in riding is our local, hilly, 
 graveled trails that are fully snow covered and that see a lot of foot 
 traffic even in winter(walkers, skiers, snowshoers, fat bike riders, even 
 some snowmobiles.)  So here are my questions to those of you who have 
 experience with winter trail riding...

 1) I can fit a 2.6 tire on 

Re: [RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[J Schwartz]

Pit-to-Pit : 22"
across shoulder along yoke: 16"
sleeve: 24"
I've had some interest but no sale yetthere are a couple people 
potentially in line however

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[RBW] Re: Studded Tire Experience, help

[Dave Grossman]

I've had two sets of Nokians, one 26" and one 700c that I've ridden over 
the years with good results.  This year I just decide to go fat front on my 
Jones when its lousy out and its been so fun!

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote:

> Here in Michigan I have been using 50mm  Marathons, but my riding is a 
> combination of streets and paved trails.  The trails are usually packed 
> rutted and icy and generally fun to ride for a change of pace.  I suppose a 
> more aggressive tread would be needed for snowy gravel.
>
> Marc
>
> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 9:48:58 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I recently moved to Maine, and would really like to keep riding trails 
>> even in these snowy, icy conditions.  So, I'm hoping for some advice.  I 
>> initially thought a fat bike might be in order, but after diving deep into 
>> Surly Wednesday research, I've decided that it's just not for me -- I'd 
>> much rather ski, or even snowshoe, if there's a significant amount of new, 
>> unpacked snow.  What I'm mostly interested in riding is our local, hilly, 
>> graveled trails that are fully snow covered and that see a lot of foot 
>> traffic even in winter(walkers, skiers, snowshoers, fat bike riders, even 
>> some snowmobiles.)  So here are my questions to those of you who have 
>> experience with winter trail riding...
>>
>> 1) I can fit a 2.6 tire on my Susie.  Is this fat enough to ride snowy, 
>> icy, chewed up, packed trails?  I'm sure it's possible, but is fun?  I know 
>> a fat bike would give better float, and roll over everything more, but 
>> would my plus sized 29er tires handle it ok? Would it float enough and roll 
>> over enough to make investing in a set of VERY expensive 2.6 studded tires 
>> be worth it?  Or will it just be mostly a slog?
>>
>> 2) Regarding studded tires...I've used 40mm wide Nokian Hakkas for 
>> wintertime commuting in the city, but am going to need something wider, 
>> something designed for trail riding.  The two best options as far as I can 
>> see are the Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pros and the 45North Wrathchilds.  The 
>> Schwalbes only come in a 2.25" width, the 45Norths in a 2.6".  Obviously, 
>> wider sounds better, but there are some mitigating factors... 
>>
>> On the one hand, the 45Norths are considerably more expensive than the 
>> Schwalbes.  They have less studs, and they seem to be prone to exceptional 
>> stud loss and have garnered a number of negative reviews.  There are two 
>> versions of them, though.  One, a 60TPi version with "regular" sized studs; 
>> two, a 120TPI version with "XL" sized studs.  They are similar in price. 
>>  From what I can gather, the 120/XL version seems to be the version that 
>> sees the most stud loss and is the one almost all of the online negative 
>> reviews reference.  Does anyone have any experience with either of these 
>> versions?  Is my assumption that the 60TPI loses less studs correct?  What 
>> do you think of this tire generally?  Is it wide enough for packed, snowy 
>> trails?
>>
>> On the other hand, the Schwalbe Ice Spikers are much less expensive. 
>>  They have considerably more studs.  Their current version seem to have far 
>> few negative reviews.  But they are .35" narrower -- that's 9mm! I would 
>> think that this 9mm would make a huge difference in performance in the 
>> conditions I'm looking to use them in, but maybe it won't?  Maybe 2.25 and 
>> 2.6 tires will be comparable? Maybe the greater stud count and better 
>> reviews and lower cost outweighs the extra width of the 45North?  What  do 
>> you think?
>>
>> Thanks for whatever advice you might have.  Oh, and in case it makes a 
>> difference --  I'll be running them with tubes and will not need to ride 
>> these tires on pavement before getting to the trailhead(it's right outside 
>> my door, practically!)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[Harth Huffman]

Hi JS, I'm interested.  Would you be willing to take chest and sleeve 
measurements?

Thanks,
Harth

On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-8 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings All
> Similarly I purchased a Medium and have washed and dried it *thrice* 
> (without wearing it beyond trying it on)
> It's still too big and not in my comfort zone.
> If anyone would like an unworn but washed and dried Medium , I'd be happy 
> to sell for 90% of what I paid including shipping 
> So $30.
> best
> JS
>
> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 3:56:21 PM UTC-5 Jay P wrote:
>
>> I bought the size L shirt from Berkeleyan but it is, alas, after a 
>> wash/dry cycle too small.  These do indeed shrink a lot.   It's now on the 
>> edge between M and L but as I like things a little roomy I know that I'm 
>> not going to wear this.   If you are interested in buying ($20) and picking 
>> up at my home in Berkeley, please be in touch !
>>
>> Jay P.
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:14:41 AM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> Shorts also claimed, but for anyone curious, they are exactly 18 inches 
>>> across the top, laying flat. So 36 circumference, in size 36! The cuffs are 
>>> 11.5 inches across, flat, and are 20.5 inches below the waist, along the 
>>> sides.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 5:28:27 PM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>>
 The shirt has been claimed AND taken off my front porch! The shorts are 
 still here... if I drop a lot of weight, they might fit. But not for a 
 while. I'm glad to take measurements of the actual waist circumference, if 
 needed.

 - Andrew



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[RBW] Re: Good pedals for both SPD clip-in and street shoe riding?

[Harth Huffman]

I used a pair of Shimanos until they died, but I never liked them - the 
surface was too slippery when not clipped in.  Replaced them with Xpedo 
Duos, which I love:

https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/city/trvs-duo/



On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 1:36:21 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Monocog gets ridden on bosque singletrack and sandy acequia roads, 
> where I prefer to be clipped in, but also gets used to drag the dog on his 
> 2-mile run, where flat pedals would be convenient.
>
> I've used the standard Shimano M324 and A530 several times, and don't 
> really like either -- they're neither fish nor fowl, and I want a pedal 
> that is *both* fish* and* fowl.
>
> Is there any such thing as a pedal that feels like a flat pedal when you 
> are wearing boat shoes or walking shoes, and that works well with cleats 
> when in your Shimano SPD shoes? 
>
> I would not be surprised if the answer is a resounding and echoing "OF 
> COURSE NOT!!". Perhaps the solution is one of the remade beartrap pedals 
> with XL MKS clips and long straps, but the question is worth asking.
>
> Thanks.
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Studded Tire Experience, help

[Marc Irwin]

Here in Michigan I have been using 50mm  Marathons, but my riding is a 
combination of streets and paved trails.  The trails are usually packed 
rutted and icy and generally fun to ride for a change of pace.  I suppose a 
more aggressive tread would be needed for snowy gravel.

Marc

On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 9:48:58 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I recently moved to Maine, and would really like to keep riding trails 
> even in these snowy, icy conditions.  So, I'm hoping for some advice.  I 
> initially thought a fat bike might be in order, but after diving deep into 
> Surly Wednesday research, I've decided that it's just not for me -- I'd 
> much rather ski, or even snowshoe, if there's a significant amount of new, 
> unpacked snow.  What I'm mostly interested in riding is our local, hilly, 
> graveled trails that are fully snow covered and that see a lot of foot 
> traffic even in winter(walkers, skiers, snowshoers, fat bike riders, even 
> some snowmobiles.)  So here are my questions to those of you who have 
> experience with winter trail riding...
>
> 1) I can fit a 2.6 tire on my Susie.  Is this fat enough to ride snowy, 
> icy, chewed up, packed trails?  I'm sure it's possible, but is fun?  I know 
> a fat bike would give better float, and roll over everything more, but 
> would my plus sized 29er tires handle it ok? Would it float enough and roll 
> over enough to make investing in a set of VERY expensive 2.6 studded tires 
> be worth it?  Or will it just be mostly a slog?
>
> 2) Regarding studded tires...I've used 40mm wide Nokian Hakkas for 
> wintertime commuting in the city, but am going to need something wider, 
> something designed for trail riding.  The two best options as far as I can 
> see are the Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pros and the 45North Wrathchilds.  The 
> Schwalbes only come in a 2.25" width, the 45Norths in a 2.6".  Obviously, 
> wider sounds better, but there are some mitigating factors... 
>
> On the one hand, the 45Norths are considerably more expensive than the 
> Schwalbes.  They have less studs, and they seem to be prone to exceptional 
> stud loss and have garnered a number of negative reviews.  There are two 
> versions of them, though.  One, a 60TPi version with "regular" sized studs; 
> two, a 120TPI version with "XL" sized studs.  They are similar in price. 
>  From what I can gather, the 120/XL version seems to be the version that 
> sees the most stud loss and is the one almost all of the online negative 
> reviews reference.  Does anyone have any experience with either of these 
> versions?  Is my assumption that the 60TPI loses less studs correct?  What 
> do you think of this tire generally?  Is it wide enough for packed, snowy 
> trails?
>
> On the other hand, the Schwalbe Ice Spikers are much less expensive.  They 
> have considerably more studs.  Their current version seem to have far few 
> negative reviews.  But they are .35" narrower -- that's 9mm! I would think 
> that this 9mm would make a huge difference in performance in the conditions 
> I'm looking to use them in, but maybe it won't?  Maybe 2.25 and 2.6 tires 
> will be comparable? Maybe the greater stud count and better reviews and 
> lower cost outweighs the extra width of the 45North?  What  do you think?
>
> Thanks for whatever advice you might have.  Oh, and in case it makes a 
> difference --  I'll be running them with tubes and will not need to ride 
> these tires on pavement before getting to the trailhead(it's right outside 
> my door, practically!)
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Studded Tire Experience, help

[Christopher Cote]

David,

I have a Surly Wednesday and an Ice Cream Truck. The ICT sees 99% of the 
winter miles. The added float of the wider rims and tires is irreplaceable, 
IMHO. I just built up a second set of wheels for it this year, so now I 
have the stock wheels with 100mm rims and Vee Snowshoe 2XL (5.05" actual 
width!) for soft conditions, and the new wheels with 80mm rims and Terrene 
Johnny 5 studded tires for hardpack and/or icy conditions.

Fat bikes are in very short supply right now, so if you want to buy one, 
you'll have to take what you can get. I would suggest avoiding anything 
with QR axles though, as through axles are pretty much standard now. Also, 
don't fall into the 27.5x3.8" trap. Get a bike with true 26x4.6-5" 
wheels/tires.

You mentioned late season transition. I'm sorry that I have to tell you 
about mud season. Typically, the trails go from snow to mud in a very short 
time in the spring, and it's off limits until things dry out.

Chris


On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 11:18:42 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for the link!  I actually just moved here from Brooklyn.  Riding 
> around the city on snowy days was one of my favorite things to do.  Just 
> unfortunate the city saw so little snow the last couple of years.  And yes, 
> I agree with you on the green of the ICT -- I love it.  I had originally 
> thought it would be the smart choice, but after reading a bunch of reviews 
> and commentaries, decided that the less aggressive Wednesday would be 
> better.  A lot of people also feel the q-factor is just too extreme.
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I'm on the coast a bit north of you in Camden, and ride primarily on the 
> local trails here -- in Camden State Park, Snow Bowl, etc.  I really 
> appreciated hearing your advice -- it's seeming like the consensus says a 
> fatbike is the way to go if I'm going to be able to continue riding trails 
> in the snow(whether packed or groomed or unpacked.)  Glad I'm figuring this 
> out now as the 29 x 2.6" studded tires would be a $400 investment.  Not at 
> all worth it to me if it's only going to be fun using them during the early 
> and late season transitions.  H.  What kind of fatbike do you ride?
>
> Best,
>
> David
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-5 Christopher Cote wrote:
>
>> Hi  David. Maine native and avid fat bike and winter cycling enthusiast 
>> here. You didn't say which part of the state you are in. This makes a 
>> difference, north or south, coastal or mountains, the weather and snow 
>> conditions are quite different. I'm guessing, since you're asking about 
>> riding on icy, packed trails, that like me, you are in the southern part of 
>> the state. My observation of the last several years is that you typically 
>> would get a few days a year at most where skinny (meaning not fat bike 
>> tires, less than 3.8" actual width) studded tires are usable. The current 
>> conditions here contradict that, but if there's nothing else to know about 
>> Maine winter trail conditions, know that they're variable and change 
>> rapidly. Looking at the long range forecast, if you buy some skinny studs 
>> now, you might get a week or more use out of them, at least. This is 
>> unusual.
>>
>> Something to note is that many local trail groups have bought snow 
>> groomers in the past few years, and they put a lot of time and money into 
>> grooming the trails. Please, please, do not ride skinny tires on groomed 
>> trails. If you slice ruts into them, no one will be happy. There's a 
>> growing community of fat bike riders and more and more opportunities to 
>> ride in the winter. My 2 cents is if you want to really enjoy trail riding 
>> here in the winter, get a fat bike. One that can fit 26x5" tires is best, 
>> as that will give you the most opportunity to ride in the widest range of 
>> conditions.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 9:48:58 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I recently moved to Maine, and would really like to keep riding trails 
>>> even in these snowy, icy conditions.  So, I'm hoping for some advice.  I 
>>> initially thought a fat bike might be in order, but after diving deep into 
>>> Surly Wednesday research, I've decided that it's just not for me -- I'd 
>>> much rather ski, or even snowshoe, if there's a significant amount of new, 
>>> unpacked snow.  What I'm mostly interested in riding is our local, hilly, 
>>> graveled trails that are fully snow covered and that see a lot of foot 
>>> traffic even in winter(walkers, skiers, snowshoers, fat bike riders, even 
>>> some snowmobiles.)  So here are my questions to those of you who have 
>>> experience with winter trail riding...
>>>
>>> 1) I can fit a 2.6 tire on my Susie.  Is this fat enough to ride snowy, 
>>> icy, chewed up, packed trails?  I'm sure it's possible, but is fun?  I know 
>>> a fat bike would give better float, and roll over everything more, but 
>>> would my plus sized 29er tires 

[RBW] Re: Studded Tire Experience, help

[David Wadstrup]

Hi Michael,

Thanks for the link!  I actually just moved here from Brooklyn.  Riding 
around the city on snowy days was one of my favorite things to do.  Just 
unfortunate the city saw so little snow the last couple of years.  And yes, 
I agree with you on the green of the ICT -- I love it.  I had originally 
thought it would be the smart choice, but after reading a bunch of reviews 
and commentaries, decided that the less aggressive Wednesday would be 
better.  A lot of people also feel the q-factor is just too extreme.

Hi Chris,

I'm on the coast a bit north of you in Camden, and ride primarily on the 
local trails here -- in Camden State Park, Snow Bowl, etc.  I really 
appreciated hearing your advice -- it's seeming like the consensus says a 
fatbike is the way to go if I'm going to be able to continue riding trails 
in the snow(whether packed or groomed or unpacked.)  Glad I'm figuring this 
out now as the 29 x 2.6" studded tires would be a $400 investment.  Not at 
all worth it to me if it's only going to be fun using them during the early 
and late season transitions.  H.  What kind of fatbike do you ride?

Best,

David

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-5 Christopher Cote wrote:

> Hi  David. Maine native and avid fat bike and winter cycling enthusiast 
> here. You didn't say which part of the state you are in. This makes a 
> difference, north or south, coastal or mountains, the weather and snow 
> conditions are quite different. I'm guessing, since you're asking about 
> riding on icy, packed trails, that like me, you are in the southern part of 
> the state. My observation of the last several years is that you typically 
> would get a few days a year at most where skinny (meaning not fat bike 
> tires, less than 3.8" actual width) studded tires are usable. The current 
> conditions here contradict that, but if there's nothing else to know about 
> Maine winter trail conditions, know that they're variable and change 
> rapidly. Looking at the long range forecast, if you buy some skinny studs 
> now, you might get a week or more use out of them, at least. This is 
> unusual.
>
> Something to note is that many local trail groups have bought snow 
> groomers in the past few years, and they put a lot of time and money into 
> grooming the trails. Please, please, do not ride skinny tires on groomed 
> trails. If you slice ruts into them, no one will be happy. There's a 
> growing community of fat bike riders and more and more opportunities to 
> ride in the winter. My 2 cents is if you want to really enjoy trail riding 
> here in the winter, get a fat bike. One that can fit 26x5" tires is best, 
> as that will give you the most opportunity to ride in the widest range of 
> conditions.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 9:48:58 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I recently moved to Maine, and would really like to keep riding trails 
>> even in these snowy, icy conditions.  So, I'm hoping for some advice.  I 
>> initially thought a fat bike might be in order, but after diving deep into 
>> Surly Wednesday research, I've decided that it's just not for me -- I'd 
>> much rather ski, or even snowshoe, if there's a significant amount of new, 
>> unpacked snow.  What I'm mostly interested in riding is our local, hilly, 
>> graveled trails that are fully snow covered and that see a lot of foot 
>> traffic even in winter(walkers, skiers, snowshoers, fat bike riders, even 
>> some snowmobiles.)  So here are my questions to those of you who have 
>> experience with winter trail riding...
>>
>> 1) I can fit a 2.6 tire on my Susie.  Is this fat enough to ride snowy, 
>> icy, chewed up, packed trails?  I'm sure it's possible, but is fun?  I know 
>> a fat bike would give better float, and roll over everything more, but 
>> would my plus sized 29er tires handle it ok? Would it float enough and roll 
>> over enough to make investing in a set of VERY expensive 2.6 studded tires 
>> be worth it?  Or will it just be mostly a slog?
>>
>> 2) Regarding studded tires...I've used 40mm wide Nokian Hakkas for 
>> wintertime commuting in the city, but am going to need something wider, 
>> something designed for trail riding.  The two best options as far as I can 
>> see are the Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pros and the 45North Wrathchilds.  The 
>> Schwalbes only come in a 2.25" width, the 45Norths in a 2.6".  Obviously, 
>> wider sounds better, but there are some mitigating factors... 
>>
>> On the one hand, the 45Norths are considerably more expensive than the 
>> Schwalbes.  They have less studs, and they seem to be prone to exceptional 
>> stud loss and have garnered a number of negative reviews.  There are two 
>> versions of them, though.  One, a 60TPi version with "regular" sized studs; 
>> two, a 120TPI version with "XL" sized studs.  They are similar in price. 
>>  From what I can gather, the 120/XL version seems to be the version that 
>> sees the most stud loss and is the one 

[RBW] Re: Studded Tire Experience, help

[Christopher Cote]

Hi  David. Maine native and avid fat bike and winter cycling enthusiast 
here. You didn't say which part of the state you are in. This makes a 
difference, north or south, coastal or mountains, the weather and snow 
conditions are quite different. I'm guessing, since you're asking about 
riding on icy, packed trails, that like me, you are in the southern part of 
the state. My observation of the last several years is that you typically 
would get a few days a year at most where skinny (meaning not fat bike 
tires, less than 3.8" actual width) studded tires are usable. The current 
conditions here contradict that, but if there's nothing else to know about 
Maine winter trail conditions, know that they're variable and change 
rapidly. Looking at the long range forecast, if you buy some skinny studs 
now, you might get a week or more use out of them, at least. This is 
unusual.

Something to note is that many local trail groups have bought snow groomers 
in the past few years, and they put a lot of time and money into grooming 
the trails. Please, please, do not ride skinny tires on groomed trails. If 
you slice ruts into them, no one will be happy. There's a growing community 
of fat bike riders and more and more opportunities to ride in the winter. 
My 2 cents is if you want to really enjoy trail riding here in the winter, 
get a fat bike. One that can fit 26x5" tires is best, as that will give you 
the most opportunity to ride in the widest range of conditions.

Chris


On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 9:48:58 AM UTC-5 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I recently moved to Maine, and would really like to keep riding trails 
> even in these snowy, icy conditions.  So, I'm hoping for some advice.  I 
> initially thought a fat bike might be in order, but after diving deep into 
> Surly Wednesday research, I've decided that it's just not for me -- I'd 
> much rather ski, or even snowshoe, if there's a significant amount of new, 
> unpacked snow.  What I'm mostly interested in riding is our local, hilly, 
> graveled trails that are fully snow covered and that see a lot of foot 
> traffic even in winter(walkers, skiers, snowshoers, fat bike riders, even 
> some snowmobiles.)  So here are my questions to those of you who have 
> experience with winter trail riding...
>
> 1) I can fit a 2.6 tire on my Susie.  Is this fat enough to ride snowy, 
> icy, chewed up, packed trails?  I'm sure it's possible, but is fun?  I know 
> a fat bike would give better float, and roll over everything more, but 
> would my plus sized 29er tires handle it ok? Would it float enough and roll 
> over enough to make investing in a set of VERY expensive 2.6 studded tires 
> be worth it?  Or will it just be mostly a slog?
>
> 2) Regarding studded tires...I've used 40mm wide Nokian Hakkas for 
> wintertime commuting in the city, but am going to need something wider, 
> something designed for trail riding.  The two best options as far as I can 
> see are the Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pros and the 45North Wrathchilds.  The 
> Schwalbes only come in a 2.25" width, the 45Norths in a 2.6".  Obviously, 
> wider sounds better, but there are some mitigating factors... 
>
> On the one hand, the 45Norths are considerably more expensive than the 
> Schwalbes.  They have less studs, and they seem to be prone to exceptional 
> stud loss and have garnered a number of negative reviews.  There are two 
> versions of them, though.  One, a 60TPi version with "regular" sized studs; 
> two, a 120TPI version with "XL" sized studs.  They are similar in price. 
>  From what I can gather, the 120/XL version seems to be the version that 
> sees the most stud loss and is the one almost all of the online negative 
> reviews reference.  Does anyone have any experience with either of these 
> versions?  Is my assumption that the 60TPI loses less studs correct?  What 
> do you think of this tire generally?  Is it wide enough for packed, snowy 
> trails?
>
> On the other hand, the Schwalbe Ice Spikers are much less expensive.  They 
> have considerably more studs.  Their current version seem to have far few 
> negative reviews.  But they are .35" narrower -- that's 9mm! I would think 
> that this 9mm would make a huge difference in performance in the conditions 
> I'm looking to use them in, but maybe it won't?  Maybe 2.25 and 2.6 tires 
> will be comparable? Maybe the greater stud count and better reviews and 
> lower cost outweighs the extra width of the 45North?  What  do you think?
>
> Thanks for whatever advice you might have.  Oh, and in case it makes a 
> difference --  I'll be running them with tubes and will not need to ride 
> these tires on pavement before getting to the trailhead(it's right outside 
> my door, practically!)
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>

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