[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Joe Bernard]

Which - to be clear - is my response to the premise of the thread which is 
the premise of the Path Less Pedaled thing. I'm not objecting to the thread 
being a thread. 

Joe "let me say this about that" Bernard

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't think a Riv vs. anything low trail really counts as a comparison, 
> it's two very different approaches to what is considered the "right" way 
> for a bicycle to handle. But my bias is extreme, I bought a Crust Lightning 
> Bolt (disc) and hoo boy did I learn the expensive way that I do *not *like 
> low trail. Rivs ride the way I need my bikes to ride. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>> " 
>>
>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
>> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>> could be? 
>>
>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
>> had. 
>>
>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
>> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
>> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
>> two?
>>
>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Joe Bernard]

I don't think a Riv vs. anything low trail really counts as a comparison, 
it's two very different approaches to what is considered the "right" way 
for a bicycle to handle. But my bias is extreme, I bought a Crust Lightning 
Bolt (disc) and hoo boy did I learn the expensive way that I do *not *like 
low trail. Rivs ride the way I need my bikes to ride. 

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:

> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
> " 
>
> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
> could be? 
>
> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
> had. 
>
> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
> two?
>
> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Ben Miller]

Well, I guess this thread has gone entirely OT.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:

> Richard Thompson is of the best I’ve seen. And a great songwriter. Right 
> now I’m leaning towards Robert Fripp but it’s hard to argue against 
> Thompson. 
>
> As far as bikes go, for me old Riv > Crust while Crust > new Riv. I can’t 
> really get into a lot of the newer frames Riv has put out but I love the 
> older models. I’m a Riv retrogrouch I guess.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
> Actually its Richard Thompson
>
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:17:49 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be 
>> really neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like this, 
>> and it would be cool to see more of them.  I tried to publicly connect 
>> Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to spark a MIT run of their Rambler frameset 
>> but it didn't work haha. 
>>
>> I imagine that collaborative frame being fairly sporty tubing but tons of 
>> tire clearance, and pretty long in the TT for upright bars or zero-reach 
>> drop setups 
>>
>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 20:03:14 UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Collin A]

I think that was my old Clem. I got away with using a knurled 26.8 seatpost 
(riv performed it without charge and payed for shipping too!). Other option 
is using a 27.0 seatpost, but I think options for that are even more 
limited.

I.e. don't worry about it too much. There are solutions if you end up with 
the 2017 run of Clems if that is all that is out there right now.

Collin, Increasing Surface Area, in Sacramento

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:46:09 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ray, are you using the stock post that comes with those frames? I 
> encountered this issue on several MIT Rivs with the 26.8 post that passed 
> through my hands and solved the problem every time with a Nitto post. Those 
> unbranded posts seem to actually have been 26.7. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:19:52 PM UTC-8 Ray wrote:
>
>> Just want to chime in and say that if you do go with the Mustard Clem H, 
>> I think you should know that generation of Clem had an issue with the 
>> seatpost lug not clamping well. Maybe they got it sorted out with later 
>> stock, but my mustard clem h that I bought from someone on the group here 
>> recently had this issue and it was a real pain. Seatpost would just 
>> constantly slip. 
>>
>> Writing this out now, I feel like they surely couldn't still be selling 
>> frames with this issue, but I  wanted to call it out just in case.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 5:22:30 PM UTC-6 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>>> Whoa, nice. Quite the premium for mustard, but may go this route if 
>>> nothing better pops up. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:07:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>

 https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frame-set-h-style-mustard.html


 Sent from my iPad

 On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:

 In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
 mustard.


 Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.

 On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Brett,
>
> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a 
> mustard H and orange L in that batch. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON 
> wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>>
>> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
>> produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make 
>> this 
>> in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file 
>>> this. ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my 
>>> list. 
>>> L
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
 whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me 
 stealing 
 her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Leah Peterson Takes A Stand

[Joe Bernard]

I've had one derailleur bike ever in my life get that right every time and 
that's my Riv Custom. All those 💸💸💸 pays for perfectly aligned dropouts. 
I like it! 😁



On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 5:29:56 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Watched that also; well done.  Reminds me that I rarely get the wheel in 
> perfectly straight & the brake nearly always drags.  I drop it out of the 
> work stand & re-set the quick release when the rear wheel has weight on 
> it.  The wheel only has to be a tiny bit off at the drop out & that makes 
> the rim way out of position.
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:55:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>>
>> I saw the video Leah posted of her wheel removal and reinstall - which 
>> she nailed first try - and man oh man this reminds me how much of a bugger 
>> that job is no matter how many times I've done it. I didn't nail it first 
>> try all those years ago! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Good for you, Leah!  I serviced my first headset and bottom bracket last 
>>> fall.  It felt good.
>>> I have a fender-mounted taillight but always wound the wire under the 
>>> bottom bracket, out the non-driveside chainstay and out the fender 
>>> support.  Aesthetics aside, I never understood the under-fender approach.  
>>> It seems like it it would leave the wire open to damage by rocks or ice 
>>> chunks getting kicked up under the fender.  I guess that's not too 
>>> different from under-bottom bracket damage potential.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:00:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Tomorrow I am doing a new thing because Leah Peterson Took A Stand and 
 now has no excuses. 

 The crappy electrical tape the LBS used to tape my dyno wire under my 
 fender is (predictably) falling off...again. I need to remove the rear 
 wheel, which I have never ever done - and clean the fender (I’m thinking 
 with alcohol) and then try to secure the wire until the good tape arrives 
 from Analog. I’m afraid that this will all go south on me and I will have 
 a 
 unicycle. 

 I’m going to watch like 15 YouTubes tonight. Wish me luck. 

 Darn this new stand,
 Leah 

 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:54:26 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> I like my Bike Hand stand but it's my first so no point of reference 
> with other stands. I agree it is a pain to work on a bike on the ground. 
> The Bike Hand isn't great at rotating the position of the bike but it 
> holds 
> a heavy bike well.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Ok, that got your attention. 
>>
>> I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had 
>> it with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to 
>> put 
>> sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
>> Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage 
>> tonight. 
>> I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the awkwardness 
>> of 
>> working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. I’m taking a 
>> stand against not having a stand.
>>
>> I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and 
>> also $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 
>>
>> I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that 
>> takes up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. 
>> (Not 
>> the frame.)
>>
>> You’re the best!
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Tim Baldwin]

Well after seeing all these great builds, I decided to pull the trigger on 
a Susie frame this week. It was down to a blue 51 and an orange 53 since I 
could fit either one. I went with the orange seeing as I have the blue 
(well blue-green) covered with an Atlantis. Excited to build this bike up!

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 12:06:07 PM UTC-6 Ashwath Akirekadu 
wrote:

> Mark,
>
> As for seat post, I picked up a NOS Shimano black one on eBay.Thanks 
> to Analog, I even got a powder coated black Mark's rack.  Haven't had a 
> chance to mount it yet.  Will post pictures once that's attached.   I 
> replaced the Bosco with Nitto B604AAF Promenade black from Soma.  So, other 
> than the front derailleur, there's no noticeable chrome part.   There 
> doesn't seem to be any good FDs in black color out there.
>
> Ash
>
> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 09:44:03 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Great looking build, Ash. What black seat post are you planning to use? 
>> All black components but keeping the brown saddle would look pretty awesome.
>>
>> The swoop top tube is actually a big plus for me. In addition to being 
>> functional, that graceful line complements the fillet-brazed construction. 
>> It give the bicycles a distinctive character.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[rltilley]

Richard Thompson is of the best I’ve seen. And a great songwriter. Right now 
I’m leaning towards Robert Fripp but it’s hard to argue against Thompson. 

As far as bikes go, for me old Riv > Crust while Crust > new Riv. I can’t 
really get into a lot of the newer frames Riv has put out but I love the older 
models. I’m a Riv retrogrouch I guess.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
> 
> Actually its Richard Thompson
> 
> Mike SLO CA
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:17:49 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be really 
>> neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like this, and it 
>> would be cool to see more of them.  I tried to publicly connect Ocean Air 
>> Cycles and Rivendell to spark a MIT run of their Rambler frameset but it 
>> didn't work haha. 
>> 
>> I imagine that collaborative frame being fairly sporty tubing but tons of 
>> tire clearance, and pretty long in the TT for upright bars or zero-reach 
>> drop setups 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 20:03:14 UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: VO 650b Voyager rims

[Hugh Smitham]

Yes.

But I'm impatient. I bought a custom wheel set from prowheelbuilder.com :)

Hugh

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 5:32 PM David Person  wrote:

> You're looking for 32 hole, right Hugh?
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 11:18:46 AM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Looking for above said rims for my Atlantis build? Maybe you have them
>> hanging around with no plans to build them up. Shoot me a DM
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Hugh
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[RBW] Re: VO 650b Voyager rims

[David Person]

You're looking for 32 hole, right Hugh?

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 11:18:46 AM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Looking for above said rims for my Atlantis build? Maybe you have them 
> hanging around with no plans to build them up. Shoot me a DM
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Leah Peterson Takes A Stand

[dougP]

Watched that also; well done.  Reminds me that I rarely get the wheel in 
perfectly straight & the brake nearly always drags.  I drop it out of the 
work stand & re-set the quick release when the rear wheel has weight on 
it.  The wheel only has to be a tiny bit off at the drop out & that makes 
the rim way out of position.

dougP

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:55:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> I saw the video Leah posted of her wheel removal and reinstall - which she 
> nailed first try - and man oh man this reminds me how much of a bugger that 
> job is no matter how many times I've done it. I didn't nail it first try 
> all those years ago! 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Good for you, Leah!  I serviced my first headset and bottom bracket last 
>> fall.  It felt good.
>> I have a fender-mounted taillight but always wound the wire under the 
>> bottom bracket, out the non-driveside chainstay and out the fender 
>> support.  Aesthetics aside, I never understood the under-fender approach.  
>> It seems like it it would leave the wire open to damage by rocks or ice 
>> chunks getting kicked up under the fender.  I guess that's not too 
>> different from under-bottom bracket damage potential.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:00:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Tomorrow I am doing a new thing because Leah Peterson Took A Stand and 
>>> now has no excuses. 
>>>
>>> The crappy electrical tape the LBS used to tape my dyno wire under my 
>>> fender is (predictably) falling off...again. I need to remove the rear 
>>> wheel, which I have never ever done - and clean the fender (I’m thinking 
>>> with alcohol) and then try to secure the wire until the good tape arrives 
>>> from Analog. I’m afraid that this will all go south on me and I will have a 
>>> unicycle. 
>>>
>>> I’m going to watch like 15 YouTubes tonight. Wish me luck. 
>>>
>>> Darn this new stand,
>>> Leah 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:54:26 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I like my Bike Hand stand but it's my first so no point of reference 
 with other stands. I agree it is a pain to work on a bike on the ground. 
 The Bike Hand isn't great at rotating the position of the bike but it 
 holds 
 a heavy bike well.
 Doug

 On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Ok, that got your attention. 
>
> I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had 
> it with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to put 
> sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
> Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage 
> tonight. 
> I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the awkwardness of 
> working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. I’m taking a 
> stand against not having a stand.
>
> I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and 
> also $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 
>
> I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that 
> takes up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. 
> (Not 
> the frame.)
>
> You’re the best!
> Leah
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Leah Takes a Stand

[Doug H.]

I never enjoy removing the rear wheel on a geared bike, the derailleur just 
doesn't play well for me. On my single speed it's easy peazy!
Doug 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 7:55:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> I saw the video Leah posted of her wheel removal and reinstall - which she 
> nailed first try - and man oh man this reminds me how much of a bugger that 
> job is no matter how many times I've done it. I didn't nail it first try 
> all those years ago! 
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Good for you, Leah!  I serviced my first headset and bottom bracket last 
>> fall.  It felt good.
>> I have a fender-mounted taillight but always wound the wire under the 
>> bottom bracket, out the non-driveside chainstay and out the fender 
>> support.  Aesthetics aside, I never understood the under-fender approach.  
>> It seems like it it would leave the wire open to damage by rocks or ice 
>> chunks getting kicked up under the fender.  I guess that's not too 
>> different from under-bottom bracket damage potential.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:00:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Tomorrow I am doing a new thing because Leah Peterson Took A Stand and 
>>> now has no excuses. 
>>>
>>> The crappy electrical tape the LBS used to tape my dyno wire under my 
>>> fender is (predictably) falling off...again. I need to remove the rear 
>>> wheel, which I have never ever done - and clean the fender (I’m thinking 
>>> with alcohol) and then try to secure the wire until the good tape arrives 
>>> from Analog. I’m afraid that this will all go south on me and I will have a 
>>> unicycle. 
>>>
>>> I’m going to watch like 15 YouTubes tonight. Wish me luck. 
>>>
>>> Darn this new stand,
>>> Leah 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:54:26 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I like my Bike Hand stand but it's my first so no point of reference 
 with other stands. I agree it is a pain to work on a bike on the ground. 
 The Bike Hand isn't great at rotating the position of the bike but it 
 holds 
 a heavy bike well.
 Doug

 On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Ok, that got your attention. 
>
> I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had 
> it with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to put 
> sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
> Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage 
> tonight. 
> I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the awkwardness of 
> working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. I’m taking a 
> stand against not having a stand.
>
> I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and 
> also $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 
>
> I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that 
> takes up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. 
> (Not 
> the frame.)
>
> You’re the best!
> Leah
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[George Rosselle]

I feel compelled to throw Tony McPhee into the running, but Jeff Beck is 
still my all time favorite. 
On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 5:52:07 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Please; Allan Holdsworth. Who, curiously, was a lifelong road cyclist and 
> a bike repairman in the early stages of his musical career.
>
> http://www.bikeblognyc.com/2017/04/second-passion-of-allan-holdsworth/
>
> Peter "a former guitar repairman" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Actually its Richard Thompson
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:17:49 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be 
>>> really neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like this, 
>>> and it would be cool to see more of them.  I tried to publicly connect 
>>> Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to spark a MIT run of their Rambler frameset 
>>> but it didn't work haha. 
>>>
>>> I imagine that collaborative frame being fairly sporty tubing but tons 
>>> of tire clearance, and pretty long in the TT for upright bars or zero-reach 
>>> drop setups 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 20:03:14 UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>

 I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
 stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
 collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
 the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Leah Peterson Takes A Stand

[Joe Bernard]

I saw the video Leah posted of her wheel removal and reinstall - which she 
nailed first try - and man oh man this reminds me how much of a bugger that 
job is no matter how many times I've done it. I didn't nail it first try 
all those years ago! 

Joe Bernard
On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Good for you, Leah!  I serviced my first headset and bottom bracket last 
> fall.  It felt good.
> I have a fender-mounted taillight but always wound the wire under the 
> bottom bracket, out the non-driveside chainstay and out the fender 
> support.  Aesthetics aside, I never understood the under-fender approach.  
> It seems like it it would leave the wire open to damage by rocks or ice 
> chunks getting kicked up under the fender.  I guess that's not too 
> different from under-bottom bracket damage potential.  
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:00:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Tomorrow I am doing a new thing because Leah Peterson Took A Stand and 
>> now has no excuses. 
>>
>> The crappy electrical tape the LBS used to tape my dyno wire under my 
>> fender is (predictably) falling off...again. I need to remove the rear 
>> wheel, which I have never ever done - and clean the fender (I’m thinking 
>> with alcohol) and then try to secure the wire until the good tape arrives 
>> from Analog. I’m afraid that this will all go south on me and I will have a 
>> unicycle. 
>>
>> I’m going to watch like 15 YouTubes tonight. Wish me luck. 
>>
>> Darn this new stand,
>> Leah 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:54:26 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I like my Bike Hand stand but it's my first so no point of reference 
>>> with other stands. I agree it is a pain to work on a bike on the ground. 
>>> The Bike Hand isn't great at rotating the position of the bike but it holds 
>>> a heavy bike well.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Ok, that got your attention. 

 I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had 
 it with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to put 
 sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
 Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage 
 tonight. 
 I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the awkwardness of 
 working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. I’m taking a 
 stand against not having a stand.

 I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and 
 also $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 

 I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that 
 takes up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. 
 (Not 
 the frame.)

 You’re the best!
 Leah




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[RBW] Re: mounting sunrace shifter on stem

[Tim Baldwin]

I don't ride drops but I'm a fan of the stem mounted front shifter. I have 
a thumb shifter on the right and a bell where the left shifter would go. I 
use the bell more than the front shifter. Joe, the bar end mirror is a 
great idea for the left side. Gotta have a mirror. 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:36:53 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> To me it makes sense on a drop bar if you want to get rid of one leg-poker 
> and a long loop of cable from a shifter you hardly use. It also frees up 
> that spot on the bat for a small mirror, I never ride without one. Move 
> that shifter outta your way! 
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:15:14 AM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the response! Yes, must have been a Will email.
>>
>> I'm building up a Sam, with drop bars. I know I'll almost never shift to 
>> the small derailer as the chainrings are 38 and 24. I was trying to figure 
>> out if there's a benefit to the stem mounted front-derailer shifter and 
>> drop bars. I suppose the primary benefit is freeing up handlebar space on 
>> say, an albatross bar. I wonder if it makes sense to go this route with 
>> drop bars? Any thoughts? The novelty alone appeals to me, but novelty is 
>> not enough if it's otherwise pointless.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Freakin' typos. *It'll be a slog to look for. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 12:13:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Jim, I'm pretty sure that was in the weekly Riv email Will writes, it 
 was on a Will bike. It'll be a slot to look for because the shifter trick 
 probably isn't in the title, but you might find it by searching the 
 Rivbike 
 address in your email. 

 Or just try it! I have one of those SunRace shifters on my Susie and it 
 looks like it would slide right on the quill stem, easy peasy. 

 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:24:36 AM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if someone can direct me to a link. I don't know 
> if I read it on the Blahg, or the Blug, but it discussed mounting the 
> Sunrace left shifter on the stem to shift the front derailer. If anyone 
> knows where it is and could direct me, many thanks.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Joe Bernard]

Ray, are you using the stock post that comes with those frames? I 
encountered this issue on several MIT Rivs with the 26.8 post that passed 
through my hands and solved the problem every time with a Nitto post. Those 
unbranded posts seem to actually have been 26.7. 



On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:19:52 PM UTC-8 Ray wrote:

> Just want to chime in and say that if you do go with the Mustard Clem H, I 
> think you should know that generation of Clem had an issue with the 
> seatpost lug not clamping well. Maybe they got it sorted out with later 
> stock, but my mustard clem h that I bought from someone on the group here 
> recently had this issue and it was a real pain. Seatpost would just 
> constantly slip. 
>
> Writing this out now, I feel like they surely couldn't still be selling 
> frames with this issue, but I  wanted to call it out just in case.
>
> Ray
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 5:22:30 PM UTC-6 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
>> Whoa, nice. Quite the premium for mustard, but may go this route if 
>> nothing better pops up. Thanks!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:07:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frame-set-h-style-mustard.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
>>>
>>> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
>>> 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
>>> mustard.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Brett,

 No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a 
 mustard H and orange L in that batch. 

 On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON 
 wrote:

> Leah
>
> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>
> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
> produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
> in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>
>> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file 
>> this. ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
>> L
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
>>> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me 
>>> stealing 
>>> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Ray]

Just want to chime in and say that if you do go with the Mustard Clem H, I 
think you should know that generation of Clem had an issue with the 
seatpost lug not clamping well. Maybe they got it sorted out with later 
stock, but my mustard clem h that I bought from someone on the group here 
recently had this issue and it was a real pain. Seatpost would just 
constantly slip. 

Writing this out now, I feel like they surely couldn't still be selling 
frames with this issue, but I  wanted to call it out just in case.

Ray

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 5:22:30 PM UTC-6 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:

> Whoa, nice. Quite the premium for mustard, but may go this route if 
> nothing better pops up. Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:07:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>
>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frame-set-h-style-mustard.html
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
>>
>> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
>> 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
>> mustard.
>>
>>
>> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Brett,
>>>
>>> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard 
>>> H and orange L in that batch. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>>
 Leah

 It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.

 By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
 produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
 in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?

 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

>
> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file 
> this. ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
> L
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
>> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
>> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me 
>> stealing 
>> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah that's a chunk of change, plus whatever shipping would be. For that 
kinda money you could order an L from Riv (when they're back) and have 
their local guy paint it any dang color you want. 


On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 3:00:41 PM UTC-8 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, they have rbw blue appaloosas in stock too! 
> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-joe-appaloosa-frame-set-blue-22996.html
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Well that's about par for the course with me. I'm wrong and I should know 
>> this because YOU are the one who told me about Grant's mustard L. Pro tip, 
>> Riv Listers: Listen to Leah, don't listen to me! 
>>
>> Joe know-nothing-at-all Bernard
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:05:15 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Brett, there WERE mustard Clem L’s - Grant had one at one point and a 
>>> customer convinced him to sell it. But they are rare as hen’s teeth. NOW, 
>>> the mustard Clem H - there is one in 59 cm for sale on Blue Lug’s website! 
>>> But after having the mixte, you’ll miss it. I hope you can find a Clem L or 
>>> Rosco mixte.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
>>>
>>> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
>>> 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
>>> mustard.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Brett,

 No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a 
 mustard H and orange L in that batch. 

 On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON 
 wrote:

> Leah
>
> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>
> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
> produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
> in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>
>> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file 
>> this. ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
>> L
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
>>> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me 
>>> stealing 
>>> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[BRETT ROBINSON]

Whoa, nice. Quite the premium for mustard, but may go this route if nothing 
better pops up. Thanks!

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:07:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

>
> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frame-set-h-style-mustard.html
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
>
> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
> 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
> mustard.
>
>
> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Brett,
>>
>> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard 
>> H and orange L in that batch. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>>>
>>> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
>>> produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
>>> in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>

 Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file this. 
 ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
 L
 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:

> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me stealing 
> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Mike Packard]

Wow, they have rbw blue appaloosas in stock too! 
https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-joe-appaloosa-frame-set-blue-22996.html

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:16:39 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well that's about par for the course with me. I'm wrong and I should know 
> this because YOU are the one who told me about Grant's mustard L. Pro tip, 
> Riv Listers: Listen to Leah, don't listen to me! 
>
> Joe know-nothing-at-all Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:05:15 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Brett, there WERE mustard Clem L’s - Grant had one at one point and a 
>> customer convinced him to sell it. But they are rare as hen’s teeth. NOW, 
>> the mustard Clem H - there is one in 59 cm for sale on Blue Lug’s website! 
>> But after having the mixte, you’ll miss it. I hope you can find a Clem L or 
>> Rosco mixte.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
>>
>> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
>> 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
>> mustard.
>>
>>
>> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Brett,
>>>
>>> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard 
>>> H and orange L in that batch. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>>
 Leah

 It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.

 By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
 produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
 in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?

 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

>
> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file 
> this. ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
> L
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
>> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
>> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me 
>> stealing 
>> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
>
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[RBW] Re: Trade (or FS) Rivendell Cheviot Sweater Medium for a Large

[Michael Ullmer]

My medium sweater is off to a new home, if anyone has a large be in touch!

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 8:48:04 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Bumping this, anyone have a large sweater for trade (or sale)? Or want to 
> pick up this medium? 
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 8:22:18 PM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I picked up a medium Cheviot Sweater from a fellow lister (David Lipsky) 
>> and it's just a bit too tight for my tastes. Does anyone have a large 
>> they'd be willing to trade for my medium? Mine looks to be in perfect shape 
>> and sounds like it was just tried on for fit only.
>>
>> I'd also be willing to sell it for what I paid for it ($95 shipped).
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike in Seattle
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Peter Adler]

Please; Allan Holdsworth. Who, curiously, was a lifelong road cyclist and a 
bike repairman in the early stages of his musical career.

http://www.bikeblognyc.com/2017/04/second-passion-of-allan-holdsworth/

Peter "a former guitar repairman" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 11:47:26 AM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Actually its Richard Thompson
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:17:49 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be 
>> really neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like this, 
>> and it would be cool to see more of them.  I tried to publicly connect 
>> Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to spark a MIT run of their Rambler frameset 
>> but it didn't work haha. 
>>
>> I imagine that collaborative frame being fairly sporty tubing but tons of 
>> tire clearance, and pretty long in the TT for upright bars or zero-reach 
>> drop setups 
>>
>> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 20:03:14 UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Build Ideas for New Sam H

[Erik]

These all look so good!  I think I'm starting to visualize the build.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Joe Bernard]

Well that's about par for the course with me. I'm wrong and I should know 
this because YOU are the one who told me about Grant's mustard L. Pro tip, 
Riv Listers: Listen to Leah, don't listen to me! 

Joe know-nothing-at-all Bernard

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:05:15 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Brett, there WERE mustard Clem L’s - Grant had one at one point and a 
> customer convinced him to sell it. But they are rare as hen’s teeth. NOW, 
> the mustard Clem H - there is one in 59 cm for sale on Blue Lug’s website! 
> But after having the mixte, you’ll miss it. I hope you can find a Clem L or 
> Rosco mixte.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
>
> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
> 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
> mustard.
>
>
> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Brett,
>>
>> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard 
>> H and orange L in that batch. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>>>
>>> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
>>> produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
>>> in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>

 Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file this. 
 ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
 L
 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:

> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me stealing 
> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Leah Peterson]

https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frame-set-h-style-mustard.html

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
> 
> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 59cm 
> Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in mustard.
> 
> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Brett,
>> 
>> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard H 
>> and orange L in that batch. 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>> Leah
>>> 
>>> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>>> 
>>> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv produced? 
>>> Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this in the H 
>>> version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>>> 
 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 
 Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file this. ♥️ 
 I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
 L
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? whatever 
> it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me stealing her 
> Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Leah Peterson]

Brett, there WERE mustard Clem L’s - Grant had one at one point and a customer 
convinced him to sell it. But they are rare as hen’s teeth. NOW, the mustard 
Clem H - there is one in 59 cm for sale on Blue Lug’s website! But after having 
the mixte, you’ll miss it. I hope you can find a Clem L or Rosco mixte.

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
> 
> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 59cm 
> Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in mustard.
> 
> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
> 
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Brett,
>> 
>> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard H 
>> and orange L in that batch. 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>> Leah
>>> 
>>> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>>> 
>>> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv produced? 
>>> Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this in the H 
>>> version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>>> 
 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 
 Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file this. ♥️ 
 I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
 L
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? whatever 
> it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me stealing her 
> Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
> 
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[RBW] 11 speed with Silver DT shifters works great!

[Andrew Turner]

I'm sure to most, this is a 'no duh' situation but throwing my hat in for 
the approval vote regardless. If there are any die-hard 9 speed friction 
fans out there like me, this might be of interest. 
Before I thought: 

A) the Silver DT shifters don't pull enough cable to fit 11 speed
B) I'd be spending the majority of the ride feathering the gears 

Wrong and wrong. It works shockingly well, perhaps even better than 8-9 
speeds perhaps because there's simply less room to mess it up. Now I 
probably wouldn't enjoy it as much with shifters that didn't utilize the 
ratcheting system since I can feel how the ratchet sorta auto-corrects the 
right engagement point when I'm changing gears but that's a topic of 
personal taste. 

My setup is an Ultegra 6800 long cage rear mech, 11 speed chain, 11-34 105 
cassette, and a Grand Cru 50.4 46-30 crankset.  

Obviously the downside of all this is cost but if anyone was building up 
something new and was 11 speed friction curious, give it a shot! 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[BRETT ROBINSON]

In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 59cm 
Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
mustard.

Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Brett,
>
> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard H 
> and orange L in that batch. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>>
>> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
>> produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
>> in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file this. 
>>> ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
>>> L
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>>
 Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
 whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me stealing 
 her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

"When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had taken 
the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not qualify 
as stealing 😂)."

I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!


On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>
> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
> love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, 
> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing 😂). She fell hard for 
> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her 
> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
> Rivs, so what a gift.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
>> No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they go 
>> live! I think they’ll be gone.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
>>> obsolete
>>>
>>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain running 
 a bit slow.

 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it will 
> be my retirement bike.
>
> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so they 
> can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of blue 
> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
> pair 
> of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then I 
> have Albatross.
>
> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
> time in Vermont.  
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
> built up bikes!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
>> you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
>>
>> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
>>
>>
>> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
>> they'll be up on the site early February.”
>>
>> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
>> available to order.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about 
>>> timing? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Ray Varella]

Is the rear spacing on the Platypus 135mm or 130mm?

Thank you 
Ray

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:46:12 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I live in Florida and have never seen a Rivendell in Florida that I didn't 
> own at one time. I gave my wife my Betty Foy and gave one of my sisters my 
> Roadini. 
> I never saw another Rivendell in Washington State when I worked there for 
> 28 months over 3 years a while back.
> The only other Rivendells that I have seen were in South Carolina in 2019 
> for the 25th anniversary ride and at Rivendell Headquarters a year or two 
> before that (while I was working in Washington State - I was close enough 
> to make the pilgrimage).
> I am not as successful at conversions as BBDD.
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:26:58 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
>> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
>> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>
>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
>> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
>> love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
>> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
>> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
>> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, 
>> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
>> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
>> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing 😂). She fell hard for 
>> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
>> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
>> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her 
>> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
>> Rivs, so what a gift.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
>>> No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they go 
>>> live! I think they’ll be gone.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
 obsolete

 Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
> running a bit slow.
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
>> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it 
>> will 
>> be my retirement bike.
>>
>> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
>> they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
>> blue 
>> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
>> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
>> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
>> pair 
>> of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then I 
>> have Albatross.
>>
>> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
>> time in Vermont.  
>>
>> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
>> built up bikes!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
>>> you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
>>>
>>> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
>>>
>>>
>>> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
>>> they'll be up on the site early February.”
>>>
>>> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
>>> available to order.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about 
 timing? 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Joe Bernard]

Brett,

No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard H 
and orange L in that batch. 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:

> Leah
>
> It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.
>
> By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
> produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
> in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file this. 
>> ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
>> L
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
>>> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me stealing 
>>> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[BRETT ROBINSON]

Leah

It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.

By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv produced? 
Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this in the H 
version, or are there L's floating around out there?

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

>
> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file this. ♥️ 
> I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
> L
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
>> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? whatever 
>> it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me stealing her Betty 
>> Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: large Riv All Rounder 26” wheels

[Steven Sweedler]

Apologies for the cross post, this is my annual appeal looking for my holy
grail. 60 cm square or close, will consider any and all, frame set
preferred. Steve
Tucson

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[RBW] Re: Build Ideas for New Sam H

[BobW]

The bars are  45cm  Nitto Grand Randonneur B135 .   Wider might be 
preferable though

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 12:16:38 PM UTC-5 Erik wrote:

> That looks great and is really close to what I have in my head, right down 
> to the Cane Creek levers.  I'm deciding between using the Cane Creek levers 
> with a new set of Deore V-brakes or justing running standard levers with a 
> short-pull brake like the Paul Mini Motos.  What handlebars are you using?
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

[Justin Kennedy]

Ha! It's pretty awesome/astounding how jalopy-ish some of the Riv staff
bikes look. Will might take the cake in that department with this orange
Chev  which
coicidentally has the same Racer-in-the-front, R559-in-the-rear set up.
That hacked off front fender is 😂

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 2:58 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Justin,
>
> For informational purposes only because everyone has already answered that
> Racers work front and rear: I asked Will about his front Racer once and he
> said it's there because he had a front one and felt like using it.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:34:03 AM UTC-8 Justin Kennedy
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently
>> considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying
>> mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in
>> order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it
>> between the pads.)
>>
>> I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this
>> Chev
>> 
>> but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow a
>> hanger placement for a center pull?
>>
>> Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 700c
>> x 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's running a
>> fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. Thoughts?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

[Joe Bernard]

Justin,

For informational purposes only because everyone has already answered that 
Racers work front and rear: I asked Will about his front Racer once and he 
said it's there because he had a front one and felt like using it. 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:34:03 AM UTC-8 Justin Kennedy 
(Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently 
> considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying 
> mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in 
> order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it 
> between the pads.)
>
> I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this Chev 
> 
>  
> but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow a 
> hanger placement for a center pull?  
>
> Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 700c x 
> 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's running a 
> fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. Thoughts?
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Mike Godwin]

Actually its Richard Thompson

Mike SLO CA

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:17:49 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be really 
> neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like this, and it 
> would be cool to see more of them.  I tried to publicly connect Ocean Air 
> Cycles and Rivendell to spark a MIT run of their Rambler frameset but it 
> didn't work haha. 
>
> I imagine that collaborative frame being fairly sporty tubing but tons of 
> tire clearance, and pretty long in the TT for upright bars or zero-reach 
> drop setups 
>
> On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 20:03:14 UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>>
>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>
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[RBW] Re: mounting sunrace shifter on stem

[Joe Bernard]

To me it makes sense on a drop bar if you want to get rid of one leg-poker 
and a long loop of cable from a shifter you hardly use. It also frees up 
that spot on the bat for a small mirror, I never ride without one. Move 
that shifter outta your way! 


On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:15:14 AM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:

> Thanks for the response! Yes, must have been a Will email.
>
> I'm building up a Sam, with drop bars. I know I'll almost never shift to 
> the small derailer as the chainrings are 38 and 24. I was trying to figure 
> out if there's a benefit to the stem mounted front-derailer shifter and 
> drop bars. I suppose the primary benefit is freeing up handlebar space on 
> say, an albatross bar. I wonder if it makes sense to go this route with 
> drop bars? Any thoughts? The novelty alone appeals to me, but novelty is 
> not enough if it's otherwise pointless.
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Freakin' typos. *It'll be a slog to look for. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 12:13:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Jim, I'm pretty sure that was in the weekly Riv email Will writes, it 
>>> was on a Will bike. It'll be a slot to look for because the shifter trick 
>>> probably isn't in the title, but you might find it by searching the Rivbike 
>>> address in your email. 
>>>
>>> Or just try it! I have one of those SunRace shifters on my Susie and it 
>>> looks like it would slide right on the quill stem, easy peasy. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:24:36 AM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:
>>>
 Hi, I was wondering if someone can direct me to a link. I don't know if 
 I read it on the Blahg, or the Blug, but it discussed mounting the Sunrace 
 left shifter on the stem to shift the front derailer. If anyone knows 
 where 
 it is and could direct me, many thanks.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Giro Trousers, Randi Jo Hats

[Michael Ullmer]

Hats are sold

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:09:16 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Cross post from i-Bob:
>
> Final purge through the clothing for now:
>
> 1) Giro Mobility Trousers Blue Size 32 - $40 shipped 
> --I had the bottom portion of the legs of these pants narrowed by a 
> professional tailor, so they're more of a slim fit through the whole leg. 
> These have a lot of great features, reflective accents on the inside, 
> gusseted crotch, zippered side pocket. They're in great shape, but now that 
> I'm no longer going into the office, I don't need these (I have two).
>
> 2) Randi Jo Fab Hats - Linen and Cotton (both size large) - $30 shipped 
> --I have far too many of Randi Jo's hats and these two get the least use. 
> The black linen one has only been worn a handful of times and the blue 
> cotton one slightly more. The blue cotton hat has the faintest sweat mark 
> on the front (doesn't show up in the picture), though you can't tell under 
> a bike helmet. $30 shipped for the pair.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/uf2apSSZRJf6yyF87
>
> Mike in Seattle
>

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[RBW] VO 650b Voyager rims

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi All,

Looking for above said rims for my Atlantis build? Maybe you have them 
hanging around with no plans to build them up. Shoot me a DM

Best Regards,

Hugh

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[RBW] Re: mounting sunrace shifter on stem

[David B]

And to add, the Sunrace thumb shifter can be mounted directly to the quill 
of the stem (I did this prior to the headset setup) - no need for a 
different shifter mount as quill stem and bar diameters are the same.

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if someone can direct me to a link. I don't know if I 
> read it on the Blahg, or the Blug, but it discussed mounting the Sunrace 
> left shifter on the stem to shift the front derailer. If anyone knows where 
> it is and could direct me, many thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Jason Fuller]

Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be really 
neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like this, and it 
would be cool to see more of them.  I tried to publicly connect Ocean Air 
Cycles and Rivendell to spark a MIT run of their Rambler frameset but it 
didn't work haha. 

I imagine that collaborative frame being fairly sporty tubing but tons of 
tire clearance, and pretty long in the TT for upright bars or zero-reach 
drop setups 

On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 20:03:14 UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:

>
> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>

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[RBW] Re: mounting sunrace shifter on stem

[David B]

Not exactly the question you asked, but if you have space in the headset 
area, the Riv thumb shifter can be mounted as a headset spacer, so not 
attached to the stem quill, but in the same general area. I did this so I 
can swap handlebar setups without changing shifters.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/
David

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if someone can direct me to a link. I don't know if I 
> read it on the Blahg, or the Blug, but it discussed mounting the Sunrace 
> left shifter on the stem to shift the front derailer. If anyone knows where 
> it is and could direct me, many thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Giro Trousers, Randi Jo Hats

[Michael Ullmer]

Cross post from i-Bob:

Final purge through the clothing for now:

1) Giro Mobility Trousers Blue Size 32 - $40 shipped 
--I had the bottom portion of the legs of these pants narrowed by a 
professional tailor, so they're more of a slim fit through the whole leg. 
These have a lot of great features, reflective accents on the inside, 
gusseted crotch, zippered side pocket. They're in great shape, but now that 
I'm no longer going into the office, I don't need these (I have two).

2) Randi Jo Fab Hats - Linen and Cotton (both size large) - $30 shipped 
--I have far too many of Randi Jo's hats and these two get the least use. 
The black linen one has only been worn a handful of times and the blue 
cotton one slightly more. The blue cotton hat has the faintest sweat mark 
on the front (doesn't show up in the picture), though you can't tell under 
a bike helmet. $30 shipped for the pair.

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/uf2apSSZRJf6yyF87

Mike in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Ben Miller]

Some interesting ideas here! 

Mark says: "Clapton, Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter 
Green)lol." Well, I can't think Clapton, Beck and Page without thinking 
about Supergroups. So maybe I am thinking too small here... What about a 
collaboration between Grant, Matt, and JP? Petersen, Whitehead, and 
Weigle???  Haha

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> OT on...
>
> English = from the country of England
> British = from the countries of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Island
>
> Growing up in post war Britain was drab, dreary & dark. While the US was 
> enjoying the greatest economic boom in history & the sun shone every day in 
> Southern California the British were still under rationing, plagued with 
> unemployment, industrial unrest & surrounded by the toll (both physical and 
> emotional) extracted by a total war. In other words, it was cold, dark, 
> gloomy, there were 2 channels on the TV, when the miners went on strike the 
> power went out and there was generally f*** all to do. So if you picked up 
> a musical instrument you had both the time & the inclination (get me the 
> hell out of here) to get really good at it!
>
> Combine all that time with latent talent and a ready supply of "exotic" 
> music brought back across the pond by merchant seaman and you had a 
> primordial stew just ready to produce winged flight. Then a lot of begating 
> started. It was a moment in time unlikely to ever repeat itself 
> unfortunately.
>
> Now check out Rory Gallagher (who was Irish actually), I'll start you off 
> here - 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlEfyMoR49M&ab_channel=thanasisSkrepMetalo
>
> Back to our regularly scheduled programming...
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-6 Daman Mohan Kumar 
> wrote:
>
>> Firstly, apologies for the off-topic comment. Every last one of those 
>> guitarists Mark mentioned are English (or British, this is one of those 
>> things I absolutely cannot wrap my head around no matter how many times I 
>> read about it).
>>
>> No further comments, though - I just found it incredibly interesting how 
>> that bunch of stellar musicians came out of the same region.
>>
>> Daman
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:33:43 PM UTC-8 Mark Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click 
>>> bate title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great 
>>> bikes, but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, 
>>> or my Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my 
>>> camera in my bag in front of me I take the low trail custom. I use the old 
>>> Masi if I just want to ride hard and fast. But most the time I just chill 
>>> on one of the Rivendell's that are still fast, fun, and plush.
>>> I found the idea as ridiculous as people arguing who's better, Clapton, 
>>> Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol.
>>> I'm sure I'll watch the video eventually, Russ does a great job and he's 
>>> level headed and fair. 
>>>
>>> Mark 
>>> Half Moon Bay area
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
 provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
 " 

 The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing 
 his Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
 could be? 

 I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
 know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
 it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
 Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
 aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing 
 the 
 Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
 saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust 
 bikes 
 had. 

 Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared 
 to Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most 
 thing's not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot 
 take 
 on the two?

 I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
 stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
 collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
 the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Mark,

As for seat post, I picked up a NOS Shimano black one on eBay.Thanks to 
Analog, I even got a powder coated black Mark's rack.  Haven't had a chance 
to mount it yet.  Will post pictures once that's attached.   I replaced the 
Bosco with Nitto B604AAF Promenade black from Soma.  So, other than the 
front derailleur, there's no noticeable chrome part.   There doesn't seem 
to be any good FDs in black color out there.

Ash

On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 09:44:03 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> Great looking build, Ash. What black seat post are you planning to use? 
> All black components but keeping the brown saddle would look pretty awesome.
>
> The swoop top tube is actually a big plus for me. In addition to being 
> functional, that graceful line complements the fillet-brazed construction. 
> It give the bicycles a distinctive character.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Very nice configuration there Jared.  The ergonomics looks quite perfect!



On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 at 10:58:57 UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Update on my Susie:
>
> Now running Selle Anatomica X1, Nitto/Riv FacePlater, and Riv Tosco bars.
>
> Keeping the black Nitto/Crust stem & Tumbleweed Persuader handlebars 
> together with other shifter/brake levers for easy swap-age.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jared
>
> [image: susielboltzz.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 9:44:03 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Great looking build, Ash. What black seat post are you planning to use? 
>> All black components but keeping the brown saddle would look pretty awesome.
>>
>> The swoop top tube is actually a big plus for me. In addition to being 
>> functional, that graceful line complements the fillet-brazed construction. 
>> It give the bicycles a distinctive character.
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:16:19 PM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Jared,
>>>
>>> Which is that black stem on your Susie?
>>>
>>> I wanted to completely 'black out' my Susie build.  I'm almost there.  I 
>>> do have a vintage dirt drop like black stem that I'm not too happy with.  
>>>
>>> Benjamin,
>>>
>>> I can write a page about my thoughts on Susie, compare and contrast its 
>>> ride with the other Riv's I've owned (which include 2 Appaloosas, 1 MIT 
>>> Atlantis and 1 Sam), but various posts in this thread cover Susie pretty 
>>> well.  In short, it's the most comfortable and versatile of any bike I've 
>>> owned.  It definitely does not fall into 'fast' category.  When I'm on this 
>>> bike, I'm so relaxed and enjoying, I basically do not want the ride to end! 
>>>  Hence the speed does not feel important.  Something about its geometry it 
>>> feels super stable.  Feels like it has some sort of 'self-driving' tech.  I 
>>> also get the feeling that the bike is very forgiving of rider distractions. 
>>>  There are instances where I'd be looking at either my phone or something 
>>> interesting along the path, I go over a rock or pot hole and go 'oops!', 
>>>  but bike is still moving along.  On other bikes I feel like I'd have 
>>> either crashed or would have had to scramble to regain balance.  I admit, 
>>> to me this bike is not my favorite in the looks department.  I'm not a fan 
>>> of the swoopy top tube from aesthetics standpoint. I do understand that 
>>> functionally this shape is better than the straight TT.  On occasions I do 
>>> need to make a fashion statement at the place I arrive, I take my shiny 
>>> Roadini.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ash in Sunnyvale, CA 
>>> On Friday, 29 January 2021 at 15:55:40 UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Here ya go Paul

 Still needs some tweaks and waiting on my saddle so I'm breaking in the 
 Brooks for my fiancee

 Jared in Santa Cruz

 [image: IMG_2971.JPG]
 [image: IMG_2970.JPG]
 [image: IMG_2972.JPG]


 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 7:29:36 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

>>>
>
> Good point. Which brings up the whole notion of weight limits. My 
> guess is, the Susie is stouter than a vast majority of production 
> bicycles 
> out there. How many of them come with weight limits?
>
 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:47:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
 "Susie still available"
>>
>> Right now the problem is Will's update on the max weight was only in 
>> a weekly email, it's not on the product page at rivbike.com. If I 
>> hadn't seen that email I wouldn't have picked up a used one here a month 
>> ago. They need to fix the page. 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 3:22:52 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
> I don't quite get it either, why they still have Susies. Especially 
>>> singe they upped the recommended weight another 50lbs, to 210. I've 
>>> said it 
>>> before, but I think the latest generation of Rivendells, led by the 
>>> Hillibike models, represent some seriously high level, A-game bicycle 
>>> design, arrived at through a lifetime of working with, thinking about, 
>>> and 
>>> riding bicycles. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>> Mark, that is one sweet Susie. Great colors and looks like a fun 
 ride. I wish Riv would sell out of the small Susies so I can stop 
 being 
 tempted. I've gotten down to just two bikes, an Atlantis and a Troll. 
 I've 
 barely ridden the Troll since getting the Atlantis. Most of my riding 
 is 
 pavement (including plenty of rough roads) but I look for dirt 
 whenever I 
 can. I could sell the Troll and replace with a Susie but I don't have 
 much 
 hilly bike territory here. And the wheels wouldn't transfer so that 
 would 
 be a pricey swap. I am surprised all the frames haven't been snatched 
 up. 
>

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Philip Barrett]

OT on...

English = from the country of England
British = from the countries of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Island

Growing up in post war Britain was drab, dreary & dark. While the US was 
enjoying the greatest economic boom in history & the sun shone every day in 
Southern California the British were still under rationing, plagued with 
unemployment, industrial unrest & surrounded by the toll (both physical and 
emotional) extracted by a total war. In other words, it was cold, dark, 
gloomy, there were 2 channels on the TV, when the miners went on strike the 
power went out and there was generally f*** all to do. So if you picked up 
a musical instrument you had both the time & the inclination (get me the 
hell out of here) to get really good at it!

Combine all that time with latent talent and a ready supply of "exotic" 
music brought back across the pond by merchant seaman and you had a 
primordial stew just ready to produce winged flight. Then a lot of begating 
started. It was a moment in time unlikely to ever repeat itself 
unfortunately.

Now check out Rory Gallagher (who was Irish actually), I'll start you off 
here 
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlEfyMoR49M&ab_channel=thanasisSkrepMetalo

Back to our regularly scheduled programming...

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-6 Daman Mohan Kumar 
wrote:

> Firstly, apologies for the off-topic comment. Every last one of those 
> guitarists Mark mentioned are English (or British, this is one of those 
> things I absolutely cannot wrap my head around no matter how many times I 
> read about it).
>
> No further comments, though - I just found it incredibly interesting how 
> that bunch of stellar musicians came out of the same region.
>
> Daman
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:33:43 PM UTC-8 Mark Schneider wrote:
>
>> I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate 
>> title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, 
>> but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, or my 
>> Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my camera 
>> in my bag in front of me I take the low trail custom. I use the old Masi if 
>> I just want to ride hard and fast. But most the time I just chill on one of 
>> the Rivendell's that are still fast, fun, and plush.
>> I found the idea as ridiculous as people arguing who's better, Clapton, 
>> Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol.
>> I'm sure I'll watch the video eventually, Russ does a great job and he's 
>> level headed and fair. 
>>
>> Mark 
>> Half Moon Bay area
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>>> " 
>>>
>>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
>>> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>>> could be? 
>>>
>>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
>>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
>>> had. 
>>>
>>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
>>> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
>>> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
>>> two?
>>>
>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Build Ideas for New Sam H

[Erik]

That looks great and is really close to what I have in my head, right down 
to the Cane Creek levers.  I'm deciding between using the Cane Creek levers 
with a new set of Deore V-brakes or justing running standard levers with a 
short-pull brake like the Paul Mini Motos.  What handlebars are you using?

>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Build Ideas for New Sam H

[Erik]

That's a lovely build.  The patina on your saddle is perfection.  Are those 
Tektro brake levers?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Daman Mohan Kumar]

Firstly, apologies for the off-topic comment. Every last one of those 
guitarists Mark mentioned are English (or British, this is one of those 
things I absolutely cannot wrap my head around no matter how many times I 
read about it).

No further comments, though - I just found it incredibly interesting how 
that bunch of stellar musicians came out of the same region.

Daman

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:33:43 PM UTC-8 Mark Schneider wrote:

> I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate 
> title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, 
> but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, or my 
> Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my camera 
> in my bag in front of me I take the low trail custom. I use the old Masi if 
> I just want to ride hard and fast. But most the time I just chill on one of 
> the Rivendell's that are still fast, fun, and plush.
> I found the idea as ridiculous as people arguing who's better, Clapton, 
> Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol.
> I'm sure I'll watch the video eventually, Russ does a great job and he's 
> level headed and fair. 
>
> Mark 
> Half Moon Bay area
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>> " 
>>
>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
>> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>> could be? 
>>
>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
>> had. 
>>
>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
>> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
>> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
>> two?
>>
>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: mounting sunrace shifter on stem

[Jim S.]

Thanks for the response! Yes, must have been a Will email.

I'm building up a Sam, with drop bars. I know I'll almost never shift to 
the small derailer as the chainrings are 38 and 24. I was trying to figure 
out if there's a benefit to the stem mounted front-derailer shifter and 
drop bars. I suppose the primary benefit is freeing up handlebar space on 
say, an albatross bar. I wonder if it makes sense to go this route with 
drop bars? Any thoughts? The novelty alone appeals to me, but novelty is 
not enough if it's otherwise pointless.

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Freakin' typos. *It'll be a slog to look for. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 12:13:41 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Jim, I'm pretty sure that was in the weekly Riv email Will writes, it was 
>> on a Will bike. It'll be a slot to look for because the shifter trick 
>> probably isn't in the title, but you might find it by searching the Rivbike 
>> address in your email. 
>>
>> Or just try it! I have one of those SunRace shifters on my Susie and it 
>> looks like it would slide right on the quill stem, easy peasy. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:24:36 AM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I was wondering if someone can direct me to a link. I don't know if 
>>> I read it on the Blahg, or the Blug, but it discussed mounting the Sunrace 
>>> left shifter on the stem to shift the front derailer. If anyone knows where 
>>> it is and could direct me, many thanks.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB: Small Atlantis

[Keith Weaver]

Hello,
I thought I'd just throw this out and see if anyone has a small Atlantis
frame or complete bike that they're interested in selling. My PBH is 78.5
cm, so I'd be looking for a 47 cm current design, maybe a bit larger for an
older version (unless I don't understand the sizing of the older versions).

I have a Surly Disc Trucker, but the beauty of the Atlantis is calling to
me to replace the Surly and maybe have a touring bike I enjoy using more
when it doesn't have a full load on it.

I could also be interested in other similar Riv models that would be a good
replacement for the Trucker, if someone has something else that may fit the
bill. Say, an Appaloosa, or a Hillborne.

I'm up for shipping a bike to me in Reno, or I could drive a ways to pick
it up, if that influences the deal.

Thanks,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

[Justin Kennedy]

Thanks Olivier. Is that an Origin8 housing/cable stop similar to this?
https://www.rivbike.com/products/clamp-on-cable-stops

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 12:09 PM Olivier Chételat  wrote:

> Hello Justin,
> a year ago exactly I went through the exercise of doing just that; from
> R559's to Paul Racer. The stopping power is much improved, incredible
> actually. Mushiness no more and they feel like cantilever brakes. Attached
> you'll see a few images that show the clearance in the front. I was running
> 55mm Big Bens. It's a bit too tight and went back to 50mm Supremes that
> actually measure 47mm on my rims. It will absolutely fit 50mm tires but I
> doubt you'd be able to sandwich a fender in there as well.
> I hope it helps.
> Have a sunny day,
>
> Oli
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 8:29:37 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Ive seen this done with other Cheviots as well.  You can put that cable
>> stop much closer to the seat tube, though.  I guess with the guides on the
>> bottom of the top tube you'll need to put on a dia-comp housing holder or
>> something similar to run it along the top.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:07:22 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Jeff. Right after I posted this, I found this old pic from Adam
>>> 
>>> who had Racers on front and rear and I can see here where the clamp-on
>>> cable stop could work for the rear. (Adam seems to have pretty wide tires
>>> on this too, maybe 50's.) I guess the earlier Cheviots had housing stops on
>>> the top side of the diaga-tube rather than the bottom.
>>>
>>> Thinking I'll give this a shot.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:50 AM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Oh and I ran Schwalbe Road Cruisers which (I think we're x44) and my
 recollection was that they had to be taken down a bit for removal, but
 clearance was way fine when riding.  This is a sketchier recollection, I
 should add.

 On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:47:58 AM UTC-5 Je Mar wrote:

> Hi Justin,
>
> I ran Paul Racer's on my Chev (thanks, Jon Dukeman of CO!) for awhile
> before I picked up some R559s.  Riv sells a little clamp-on cable stop 
> (tho
> i don't see it on the site now) that can be mounted down near the pump peg
> (if I recall correctly) to accept the housing to work with Racers.  I'm
> only a hack-plus wrench and I was able to do it, so I imagine the more
> gifted among us would have no probs.
>
> Good luck,
> Jeff in Arlington, VA
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently
>> considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying
>> mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in
>> order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it
>> between the pads.)
>>
>> I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on
>> this Chev
>> 
>> but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't 
>> allow a
>> hanger placement for a center pull?
>>
>> Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for
>> 700c x 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's
>> running a fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room.
>> Thoughts?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Ben Mihovk]

I have an Atlantis and I am very interested in Crust. I just think they're 
cool as all get out. If someone gave enough money to go buy a new Crust 
Bombora and build it up, I'd probably just go look for a Rambouillet in my 
size :) 

Everything that Russ says about the differences in the Riv make me think 
that Crust isn't for me. I like "chill, supple, laid back." Even if I want 
to go find a lighter frame to try drops and faster riding, I'd still 
prioritize the things that Riv does that other's aren't (rim brakes, quill 
stem, geometry that accommodates upright posture, etc...). 

Love Russ and his videos. I look forward to his video updates almost as 
much as I do blahgs. 

Ben
On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Actually it's Rory Gallagher.
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 10:33:43 PM UTC-6 Mark Schneider wrote:
>
>> I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate 
>> title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, 
>> but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, or my 
>> Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my camera 
>> in my bag in front of me I take the low trail custom. I use the old Masi if 
>> I just want to ride hard and fast. But most the time I just chill on one of 
>> the Rivendell's that are still fast, fun, and plush.
>> I found the idea as ridiculous as people arguing who's better, Clapton, 
>> Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol.
>> I'm sure I'll watch the video eventually, Russ does a great job and he's 
>> level headed and fair. 
>>
>> Mark 
>> Half Moon Bay area
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>>> " 
>>>
>>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
>>> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>>> could be? 
>>>
>>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
>>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
>>> had. 
>>>
>>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
>>> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
>>> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
>>> two?
>>>
>>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Trade (or FS) Rivendell Cheviot Sweater Medium for a Large

[Michael Ullmer]

Bumping this, anyone have a large sweater for trade (or sale)? Or want to 
pick up this medium? 

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 8:22:18 PM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I picked up a medium Cheviot Sweater from a fellow lister (David Lipsky) 
> and it's just a bit too tight for my tastes. Does anyone have a large 
> they'd be willing to trade for my medium? Mine looks to be in perfect shape 
> and sounds like it was just tried on for fit only.
>
> I'd also be willing to sell it for what I paid for it ($95 shipped).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike in Seattle
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: More wool/baselayers for sale

[Michael Ullmer]

All sold, thanks!

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> All that remains is the Pendleton, price drop on that one to $40 shipped 
> CONUS
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 8:23:45 PM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> The Ibex (2) and Filson (3) are both spoken for. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 1:49:34 PM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Cross Post from the i-Bob list:
>>>
>>> The closet purge continues. I'll be posting some Randi Jo hats for sale 
>>> soon as well.
>>>
>>> 1) Pendleton Trail Fitted Wool Shirt Mens Medium - $50 shipped CONUS
>>> --This is the more fitted version of Pendleton's classic shirt. I had it 
>>> shortened by a professional tailor to make it fit well without having to 
>>> tuck it in (often these shirts are too long and look odd when not tucked 
>>> in). This one is quite thick and warm, and has a nice brown fabric along 
>>> the neckline to help eliminate the scratchiness. The elbow pads are showing 
>>> some wear, but other than that, it's in great shape. I'm only getting rid 
>>> of it because I just got a Kitsbow Icon and reach for that one every time.
>>>
>>> 2) Ibex 1/4 Zip Merino Baselayer Mens Medium - $40 shipped CONUS
>>> --I've got too many of these type of baselayers and this one just 
>>> doesn't end up being worn often enough. Also has thumb loops! No 
>>> holes/snags, great condition.
>>>
>>> 3) Filson Mens Medium Wool Button Up - $30 shipped CONUS
>>> --This one is just too boxy of a cut for me with slightly bigger sleeves 
>>> than I'm comfortable with.
>>>
>>> 4) Patagonia Capilene 3 3/4 Length Tights Mens Medium - $25 shipped CONUS
>>> --I simply have too many leggings and in the 10+ years I've owned these 
>>> they've only been worn a handful of times. I bought them with the idea that 
>>> I'd wear them with knickers, but I never got a pair of knickers I actually 
>>> liked so these just sat most of the time. Again, great condition.
>>>
>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fVdoMjaYB6rPMECQ6
>>>
>>> Mike in Seattle
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

[Tom Wyland]

Ive seen this done with other Cheviots as well.  You can put that cable 
stop much closer to the seat tube, though.  I guess with the guides on the 
bottom of the top tube you'll need to put on a dia-comp housing holder or 
something similar to run it along the top.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:07:22 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Thanks, Jeff. Right after I posted this, I found this old pic from Adam 
> 
>  
> who had Racers on front and rear and I can see here where the clamp-on 
> cable stop could work for the rear. (Adam seems to have pretty wide tires 
> on this too, maybe 50's.) I guess the earlier Cheviots had housing stops on 
> the top side of the diaga-tube rather than the bottom.
>
> Thinking I'll give this a shot. 
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:50 AM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh and I ran Schwalbe Road Cruisers which (I think we're x44) and my 
>> recollection was that they had to be taken down a bit for removal, but 
>> clearance was way fine when riding.  This is a sketchier recollection, I 
>> should add.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:47:58 AM UTC-5 Je Mar wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Justin,
>>>
>>> I ran Paul Racer's on my Chev (thanks, Jon Dukeman of CO!) for awhile 
>>> before I picked up some R559s.  Riv sells a little clamp-on cable stop (tho 
>>> i don't see it on the site now) that can be mounted down near the pump peg 
>>> (if I recall correctly) to accept the housing to work with Racers.  I'm 
>>> only a hack-plus wrench and I was able to do it, so I imagine the more 
>>> gifted among us would have no probs.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Jeff in Arlington, VA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>
 I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently 
 considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying 
 mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in 
 order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it 
 between the pads.)

 I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this 
 Chev 
 
  
 but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow 
 a 
 hanger placement for a center pull?  

 Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 
 700c x 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's 
 running a fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. 
 Thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

[Justin Kennedy]

Thanks, Jeff. Right after I posted this, I found this old pic from Adam

who had Racers on front and rear and I can see here where the clamp-on
cable stop could work for the rear. (Adam seems to have pretty wide tires
on this too, maybe 50's.) I guess the earlier Cheviots had housing stops on
the top side of the diaga-tube rather than the bottom.

Thinking I'll give this a shot.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:50 AM 'Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oh and I ran Schwalbe Road Cruisers which (I think we're x44) and my
> recollection was that they had to be taken down a bit for removal, but
> clearance was way fine when riding.  This is a sketchier recollection, I
> should add.
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:47:58 AM UTC-5 Je Mar wrote:
>
>> Hi Justin,
>>
>> I ran Paul Racer's on my Chev (thanks, Jon Dukeman of CO!) for awhile
>> before I picked up some R559s.  Riv sells a little clamp-on cable stop (tho
>> i don't see it on the site now) that can be mounted down near the pump peg
>> (if I recall correctly) to accept the housing to work with Racers.  I'm
>> only a hack-plus wrench and I was able to do it, so I imagine the more
>> gifted among us would have no probs.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Jeff in Arlington, VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy
>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>
>>> I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently
>>> considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying
>>> mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in
>>> order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it
>>> between the pads.)
>>>
>>> I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this
>>> Chev
>>> 
>>> but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow a
>>> hanger placement for a center pull?
>>>
>>> Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 700c
>>> x 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's running a
>>> fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. Thoughts?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

['Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh and I ran Schwalbe Road Cruisers which (I think we're x44) and my 
recollection was that they had to be taken down a bit for removal, but 
clearance was way fine when riding.  This is a sketchier recollection, I 
should add.

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:47:58 AM UTC-5 Je Mar wrote:

> Hi Justin,
>
> I ran Paul Racer's on my Chev (thanks, Jon Dukeman of CO!) for awhile 
> before I picked up some R559s.  Riv sells a little clamp-on cable stop (tho 
> i don't see it on the site now) that can be mounted down near the pump peg 
> (if I recall correctly) to accept the housing to work with Racers.  I'm 
> only a hack-plus wrench and I was able to do it, so I imagine the more 
> gifted among us would have no probs.
>
> Good luck,
> Jeff in Arlington, VA
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently 
>> considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying 
>> mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in 
>> order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it 
>> between the pads.)
>>
>> I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this 
>> Chev 
>> 
>>  
>> but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow a 
>> hanger placement for a center pull?  
>>
>> Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 700c 
>> x 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's running a 
>> fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. Thoughts?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Leah Peterson Takes A Stand

[Tom Wyland]

Good for you, Leah!  I serviced my first headset and bottom bracket last 
fall.  It felt good.
I have a fender-mounted taillight but always wound the wire under the 
bottom bracket, out the non-driveside chainstay and out the fender 
support.  Aesthetics aside, I never understood the under-fender approach.  
It seems like it it would leave the wire open to damage by rocks or ice 
chunks getting kicked up under the fender.  I guess that's not too 
different from under-bottom bracket damage potential.  

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:00:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Tomorrow I am doing a new thing because Leah Peterson Took A Stand and now 
> has no excuses. 
>
> The crappy electrical tape the LBS used to tape my dyno wire under my 
> fender is (predictably) falling off...again. I need to remove the rear 
> wheel, which I have never ever done - and clean the fender (I’m thinking 
> with alcohol) and then try to secure the wire until the good tape arrives 
> from Analog. I’m afraid that this will all go south on me and I will have a 
> unicycle. 
>
> I’m going to watch like 15 YouTubes tonight. Wish me luck. 
>
> Darn this new stand,
> Leah 
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:54:26 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I like my Bike Hand stand but it's my first so no point of reference with 
>> other stands. I agree it is a pain to work on a bike on the ground. The 
>> Bike Hand isn't great at rotating the position of the bike but it holds a 
>> heavy bike well.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, that got your attention. 
>>>
>>> I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had it 
>>> with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to put 
>>> sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
>>> Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage tonight. 
>>> I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the awkwardness of 
>>> working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. I’m taking a 
>>> stand against not having a stand.
>>>
>>> I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and 
>>> also $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 
>>>
>>> I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that 
>>> takes up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. (Not 
>>> the frame.)
>>>
>>> You’re the best!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

['Je Mar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Justin,

I ran Paul Racer's on my Chev (thanks, Jon Dukeman of CO!) for awhile 
before I picked up some R559s.  Riv sells a little clamp-on cable stop (tho 
i don't see it on the site now) that can be mounted down near the pump peg 
(if I recall correctly) to accept the housing to work with Racers.  I'm 
only a hack-plus wrench and I was able to do it, so I imagine the more 
gifted among us would have no probs.

Good luck,
Jeff in Arlington, VA

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:34:03 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
(Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently 
> considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying 
> mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in 
> order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it 
> between the pads.)
>
> I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this Chev 
> 
>  
> but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow a 
> hanger placement for a center pull?  
>
> Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 700c x 
> 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's running a 
> fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. Thoughts?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[lconley]

I live in Florida and have never seen a Rivendell in Florida that I didn't 
own at one time. I gave my wife my Betty Foy and gave one of my sisters my 
Roadini. 
I never saw another Rivendell in Washington State when I worked there for 
28 months over 3 years a while back.
The only other Rivendells that I have seen were in South Carolina in 2019 
for the 25th anniversary ride and at Rivendell Headquarters a year or two 
before that (while I was working in Washington State - I was close enough 
to make the pilgrimage).
I am not as successful at conversions as BBDD.

Laing

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 9:26:58 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>
> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
> love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, 
> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing 😂). She fell hard for 
> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her 
> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
> Rivs, so what a gift.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
>> No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they go 
>> live! I think they’ll be gone.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
>>> obsolete
>>>
>>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain running 
 a bit slow.

 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it will 
> be my retirement bike.
>
> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so they 
> can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of blue 
> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
> pair 
> of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then I 
> have Albatross.
>
> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
> time in Vermont.  
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
> built up bikes!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
>> you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
>>
>> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
>>
>>
>> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
>> they'll be up on the site early February.”
>>
>> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
>> available to order.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about 
>>> timing? 
>>
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[RBW] Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently 
considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying 
mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in 
order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it 
between the pads.)

I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this Chev 

 
but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow a 
hanger placement for a center pull?  

Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 700c x 
50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's running a 
fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. Thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Ray]

I saw on instagram that Blue Lug got a shipment of Platypi in within the 
last few days. Excited to see what they do with them as well as all of you.

Ray

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 8:26:58 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>
> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
> love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, 
> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing 😂). She fell hard for 
> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her 
> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
> Rivs, so what a gift.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
>> No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they go 
>> live! I think they’ll be gone.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
>>> obsolete
>>>
>>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain running 
 a bit slow.

 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it will 
> be my retirement bike.
>
> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so they 
> can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of blue 
> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
> pair 
> of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then I 
> have Albatross.
>
> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
> time in Vermont.  
>
> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
> built up bikes!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
>> you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
>>
>> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
>>
>>
>> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
>> they'll be up on the site early February.”
>>
>> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
>> available to order.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about 
>>> timing? 
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
grammar in that sentence, woah...) 

Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, really. 
When 
my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in love with a light 
sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door neighbors just happen to be 
bike people, but they don’t presently own bikes. They are about my parents’ 
age, early 60s and they once rode coast to coast, a trip they remember 
fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, and Linda tried it out and 
loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she 
had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does 
not qualify as stealing 😂). She fell hard for that little Chev, and as a 
result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s the first time she’s been 
excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting the blue. What a thrill it 
will be to show up this summer and pose with her for pics of our Platys. I 
know so few people in my “real life” who have Rivs, so what a gift.
https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from Will. 
> No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when they go 
> live! I think they’ll be gone.
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
>> obsolete
>>
>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain running 
>>> a bit slow.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
 Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it will 
 be my retirement bike.

 I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so they 
 can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of blue 
 wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
 spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
 train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a pair 
 of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then I 
 have Albatross.

 If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
 time in Vermont.  

 I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
 built up bikes!

 Roberta

 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
> you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:
>
> From Will’s email on the 19 December:
>
>
> “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
> they'll be up on the site early February.”
>
> I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
> available to order.
>
> On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard about 
>> timing? 
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Philip Barrett]

Actually it's Rory Gallagher.

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 10:33:43 PM UTC-6 Mark Schneider wrote:

> I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate 
> title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, 
> but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, or my 
> Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my camera 
> in my bag in front of me I take the low trail custom. I use the old Masi if 
> I just want to ride hard and fast. But most the time I just chill on one of 
> the Rivendell's that are still fast, fun, and plush.
> I found the idea as ridiculous as people arguing who's better, Clapton, 
> Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol.
> I'm sure I'll watch the video eventually, Russ does a great job and he's 
> level headed and fair. 
>
> Mark 
> Half Moon Bay area
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>> " 
>>
>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
>> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>> could be? 
>>
>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
>> had. 
>>
>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
>> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
>> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
>> two?
>>
>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Ryan M.]

I always enjoy Russ' videos and this one was also worth the watch. I've 
never ridden a Crust Bombora and can't compare it to my Rivs, so it's nice 
to get a comparison by someone who owns both. 

I've always liked the way my Rivs ride, and I've been through a few of 
them. 

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 10:03:14 PM UTC-6 Ben Miller wrote:

> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
> " 
>
> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
> could be? 
>
> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
> had. 
>
> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
> two?
>
> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Fullylugged]

Several frame makers over the years have copied (or tried to) the Rivendell 
design DNA. V-O, New Albion, Handsome and Rawland come to mind before the 
more recent Crust.  I rode someone's Norvindian and was surprise how UNLIKE 
my Riv it actually rode. I built a New Albion for a cousin and liked it 
(especially at its price point) but also, easy to tell the difference in 
ride.  Riv has evolved significantly since its beginning. A Long Low or 
Road does not ride anywhere near the same as a current long stay, slack 
angle, fat tire Joe Appa, Clem or even a Hillborne. I think, as Riv often 
says in their own ad copy, all their bikes still "have that Rivendell 
feel." I tend to agree with that.

As to which is "better," taste is always in the sense of the taster. I lean 
towards Rivendell and still recommend them to other riders looking for 
comfortable, useful bikes that are also rolling works of art.

Bruce 

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 10:33:43 PM UTC-6 Mark Schneider wrote:

> I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate 
> title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, 
> but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, or my 
> Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my camera 
> in my bag in front of me I take the low trail custom. I use the old Masi if 
> I just want to ride hard and fast. But most the time I just chill on one of 
> the Rivendell's that are still fast, fun, and plush.
> I found the idea as ridiculous as people arguing who's better, Clapton, 
> Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol.
> I'm sure I'll watch the video eventually, Russ does a great job and he's 
> level headed and fair. 
>
> Mark 
> Half Moon Bay area
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>> " 
>>
>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
>> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>> could be? 
>>
>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
>> had. 
>>
>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
>> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
>> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
>> two?
>>
>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>
>

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