Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Brand New Nitto RM-3 Drop Bars

[Brian Carbajal]

Hey Philip,

let me know if you want to pick it up. As you know, they're great bars. just 
gotta divert these funds to break even on this canceled build i was working on 


thanks 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s a good bar and a good price.
> I’m tempted, but trying not to hoard or swoop on the good deals.
> There are two of them in my bike setup survey here: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CMno5xNBI60/?igshid=uz3s7r4nde5g, but the OG WTB 
> bar is exactly the same, and the the Midge bar is very similar. 
> 
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 1:08:27 PM UTC-7 bria...@gmail.com wrote:
>> $78 shipped OBO. CONUS only. 
>> 
>> Payment via Paypal friends and family (or add the fee).
>> 
>> Pic: https://imgur.com/3RfKs6p
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[RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Joe Bernard]

I'm pushing 59 and I understood it as a cute mom/son story from a good 
storyteller. Geez man. 


On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 9:15:12 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Wait. So you attempted to race someone who wasn’t racing, and then failed, 
> because your kid couldn’t be bothered, but also because you weren’t strong 
> enough to bring it off? Kudos to the kid, but I’m pretty sure “the roadie” 
> didn’t even register the the drama. 
>
> Philip
> Maybe I’m too old for this testosterone bullshit in Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:41:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear (he’s 
>> 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of Killer 
>> Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and not the 
>> road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the carbon, the 
>> kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I looked 
>> at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>>
>> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>>
>> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
>> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
>> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock Clem 
>> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s out 
>> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate Killer 
>> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
>> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>>
>> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell to 
>> alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone else 
>> to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, so it 
>> doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle dings and 
>> an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher speed 
>> than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time worried 
>> ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too fast. We have 
>> 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and breathing hard.
>>
>> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow down 
>> even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus up 
>> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
>> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>>
>> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
>> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of 
>> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
>> Peterson sandwich. 
>>
>> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. I 
>> can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of the 
>> Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>>
>> And I make it.
>>
>> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
>> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, 
>> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
>> smile at him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his 
>> eyes but he does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. He 
>> is sheepish about being bested after such a strong start but he also 
>> doesn’t berate me for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I 
>> upheld the family honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he 
>> couldn’t do it, he knew I was gonna have to. 
>>
>> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can 
>> smoke roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>>
>> Leah 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Maybe go back and read it again, Philip. I beat the roadie...and my kid. 
And it was a funny story.

I guess it fell flat with you, but age has nothing to do with it.
Leah

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 9:15:12 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Wait. So you attempted to race someone who wasn’t racing, and then failed, 
> because your kid couldn’t be bothered, but also because you weren’t strong 
> enough to bring it off? Kudos to the kid, but I’m pretty sure “the roadie” 
> didn’t even register the the drama. 
>
> Philip
> Maybe I’m too old for this testosterone bullshit in Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:41:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear (he’s 
>> 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of Killer 
>> Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and not the 
>> road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the carbon, the 
>> kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I looked 
>> at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>>
>> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>>
>> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
>> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
>> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock Clem 
>> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s out 
>> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate Killer 
>> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
>> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>>
>> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell to 
>> alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone else 
>> to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, so it 
>> doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle dings and 
>> an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher speed 
>> than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time worried 
>> ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too fast. We have 
>> 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and breathing hard.
>>
>> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow down 
>> even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus up 
>> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
>> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>>
>> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
>> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of 
>> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
>> Peterson sandwich. 
>>
>> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. I 
>> can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of the 
>> Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>>
>> And I make it.
>>
>> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
>> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, 
>> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
>> smile at him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his 
>> eyes but he does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. He 
>> is sheepish about being bested after such a strong start but he also 
>> doesn’t berate me for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I 
>> upheld the family honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he 
>> couldn’t do it, he knew I was gonna have to. 
>>
>> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can 
>> smoke roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>>
>> Leah 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Philip Williamson]

Wait. So you attempted to race someone who wasn’t racing, and then failed, 
because your kid couldn’t be bothered, but also because you weren’t strong 
enough to bring it off? Kudos to the kid, but I’m pretty sure “the roadie” 
didn’t even register the the drama. 

Philip
Maybe I’m too old for this testosterone bullshit in Santa Rosa, CA



On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:41:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear (he’s 
> 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of Killer 
> Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and not the 
> road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the carbon, the 
> kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I looked 
> at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>
> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>
> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock Clem 
> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s out 
> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate Killer 
> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>
> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell to 
> alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone else 
> to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, so it 
> doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle dings and 
> an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher speed 
> than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time worried 
> ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too fast. We have 
> 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and breathing hard.
>
> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow down 
> even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus up 
> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>
> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of 
> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
> Peterson sandwich. 
>
> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. I 
> can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of the 
> Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>
> And I make it.
>
> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, 
> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
> smile at him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his 
> eyes but he does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. He 
> is sheepish about being bested after such a strong start but he also 
> doesn’t berate me for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I 
> upheld the family honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he 
> couldn’t do it, he knew I was gonna have to. 
>
> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can smoke 
> roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>
> Leah 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brand New Nitto RM-3 Drop Bars

[Philip Williamson]

That’s a good bar and a good price.
I’m tempted, but trying not to hoard or swoop on the good deals.
There are two of them in my bike setup survey here: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMno5xNBI60/?igshid=uz3s7r4nde5g, but the OG 
WTB bar is exactly the same, and the the Midge bar is very similar. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 1:08:27 PM UTC-7 bria...@gmail.com wrote:

> $78 shipped OBO. CONUS only. 
>
> Payment via Paypal friends and family (or add the fee).
>
> Pic: https://imgur.com/3RfKs6p
>

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[RBW] Re: What's your favorite painting of a Bombadil?

[Chris L]

British racing green and cream.  

[image: Green bomba.jpg]

On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 7:27:47 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> So, many of you are probably aware of the Bombadil that lives within my 
> realm of belongings thanks to Joe having taken it in and then releasing it 
> back into the wild. I, as many of you, love the clearcoat-over-raw finish 
> that it has.  I'm 50% sure I want to keep it this way, even though it 
> provides sub-optimal corrosion protection, and just touch up problem areas 
> as they arise. 
>
> But I'm also 50% sure I want to strip it back down to a frame, have it 
> restored and frame-saver'd, and professionally painted. Timeline on this 
> wouldn't be immediate - probably next year, or the year after that, but I 
> like to plan ahead. To my chagrin in this group I would not be sending it 
> to Joe Bell because I'm in Canada and it would be like $400 in shipping 
> alone, plus I'm local to Chris Dekerf who has a very capable paint studio 
> that does lots of impressive custom work (all of Chromag's locally made 
> frames, for instance).  
>
> I absolutely would be doing a proper two-color paintjob with all the lug 
> detailing that a MUSA Rivendell has, and I want the color selection to look 
> like a natural choice for the Bombadil - it doesn't have to be a Rivendell 
> colour, but I want it to look like it could easily have been in 2009.  I 
> also wouldn't do this unless I can get the proper decals to apply after, 
> though Riv never responds to my emails so I'll probably need to give them a 
> call on this. 
>
> I am gravitating towards greens and greys at the moment.  Ideas include: 
> - Classic Hunq green 
> - Vaughn's custom green (bit more of a sage quality) 
> - Bomba / Hunq dark grey, but without the red paneling - maybe the cream 
> white??
> - I don't know this is hard! 
>
> Leah made me aware that Taiwan does not use consistent paint coding as 
> North America, so while I love the idea of the new Platypus blue-silver 
> (actually green-blue), it's probably not possible.  
>
> My knowledge of what colors the Bombadil came in is limited by what google 
> tells me because I did not know of this bike when it was new. There are 
> surely period-correct Rivendell colors I haven't considered, but many of 
> you were there and lived through it - and I'd love your ideas!  
>
> [image: Bomby.JPG]
>
> Many thanks, 
> Jason in Vancouver BC 
>   
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Hugh Smitham]

The one that makes you happiest.

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:

> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
> " 
>
> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
> could be? 
>
> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
> had. 
>
> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
> two?
>
> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>

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Re: [RBW] R

[masmojo]

Sorry, I meant to comment a while back, but I can only comment on my 
computer since Google "updated" on my phone
I don't think the title of the video is particularly misleading (Youtube 
only gives you so much space). 
Regular's would know that two of Russ's bikes are A Riv. and a Bombora. 
That being the case I am sure he got asked nearly daily which he liked 
better and a video probably seemed like the appropriate response
While it may be true they are different bikes in execution, they are 
similar in purpose.
The Bombora isn't low trail, but it has a real stable ride that any 
Rivendell owner would feel right at home on. While it's not the same as a 
Sam, that's probably the Rivendell it is most similar to.
People who like Riv's might be drawn (as I was) to Crust because they 
incorporate those elements that Grant doesn't Thru Axles, Threadless steer 
tubes, Disc brakes, Etc.
Crust's are definitely a riff on the Rivendell esthetic, but they go on 
beyond that. the Evasion and the Scapegoat are clear examples. The Evasion 
is easily The single most versatile bike I've ever owned!  it can be built 
up in so many different guises, with a variety of wheel diameter and/or 
widths.  It will outlast virtually every other bike I own.
I find that Russ's video's are typically not too informative to me 
personally, because he and I tend to buy/ride the same bikes, but I like to 
hear if his experience is similar to mine.
He got a Polyvalent about the same time I did.
He got his Sam after I'd been riding an Atlantis for some time
He Got a Bombora after I'd been riding one.
I think he mentioned having a Rawland at one time(?) and I still have one. 
(which IS Low trail)  For a Semi-flat bar bike I prefer the lower trail and 
my Drakkar is the best I've ever ridden at carrying a front load. The two 
main issues that knocked the Rawland out as a "Rivendell substitute" for me 
is the substantial toe overlap and difficulty attaching a rear fender on a 
bike with rear facing horizontal Dropouts. I've had mine 10 years and it's 
fun to ride. 
The one area I really enjoy the Disc braked crusts is that they are so 
versatile.  I have 3 Crusts and 2 of them have more than one wheel set. The 
Bombora has a set with semi-slicks and another with knobbies. the Scapegoat 
has a 27.5" X 3" set and the recently built 29" set.




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[RBW] FS: Brand New Nitto RM-3 Drop Bars

[Brian Carbajal]

$78 shipped OBO. CONUS only. 

Payment via Paypal friends and family (or add the fee).

Pic: https://imgur.com/3RfKs6p

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[RBW] Re: What's your favorite painting of a Bombadil?

[Jim M.]

Most of the prototypes that I saw were clearcoat, but Grant's proto was 
blue. You can see it on Cyclofiend's Bombadil 
page: http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html

My proto was clearcoat but metal will corrode under clearcoat, and so I 
eventually got it repainted as posted above.

There is also a Flickr Bombadil group which offers a rainbow of possible 
colors: https://www.flickr.com/groups/bombadil/

The bike was introduced in Riv Reader 41, but I don't have a copy of that. 
The prototype was shown in RR39. I don't remember the color of the first 
production Bombadils, but at some point they were offered with the buyer's 
choice of powdercoat color, or wet paint for a $200 upcharge (circa 2010).

jim m
walnut creek, ca

On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 8:57:32 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:

> I'm kinda partial to mine, painted by Rick at D I just need some blue 
> suede cycling sneakers.
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
> [image: blue bomba.jpg]
>
> On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 8:05:33 PM UTC-7 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Good luck making a tough decision on covering up that eye-catching raw 
>> finish.  I struggled with a similar decision in the opposite direction with 
>> my Proto-Bombadil.  It was (and still is) creamsicle orange, though it was 
>> reportedly raw when new.  It came to me with a well-worn and nicked up but 
>> still very professionally done orange/cream paint job.  As I have a strong 
>> bias towards leaving frames looking "vintage" when the paint still 
>> adequately protects the metal, I decided to stay with the orange cream and 
>> just touch it up extensively with a fairly close Tangerine Orange Pearl 
>> color from Subaru that I probably read about here somewhere.  But I did get 
>> a replacement decal set from Riv just in case plans change and I decide to 
>> take it back to raw.
>>
>> [image: Protovelo1.jpg]
>>
>> On a different frame, a "real" Bombadil that I got here from Jamison B 
>> last year, it has the original orange/cream paint job, but the orange is 
>> not of the creamsicle variety.  Instead, it is (according to Jamison, who 
>> was the original owner) an Imron color called persimmon.  I'm currently 
>> building that frame up and will be touching up the nicks eventually, though 
>> with a slightly different shade of orange than the other one.  I was able 
>> to order replacement top-mount decals for the Bombadil last October from 
>> Spencer at Rivendell.
>>
>> I will look forward to seeing "action" pics of your (eventual) new paint 
>> job, which I suspect will involve streams, bridges, and trees dripping with 
>> moss if your previous postings are any guide.  
>>
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>>
>>
>> Willet M.
>> Carbondale, CO
>>
>> On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 6:27:47 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> So, many of you are probably aware of the Bombadil that lives within my 
>>> realm of belongings thanks to Joe having taken it in and then releasing it 
>>> back into the wild. I, as many of you, love the clearcoat-over-raw finish 
>>> that it has.  I'm 50% sure I want to keep it this way, even though it 
>>> provides sub-optimal corrosion protection, and just touch up problem areas 
>>> as they arise. 
>>>
>>> But I'm also 50% sure I want to strip it back down to a frame, have it 
>>> restored and frame-saver'd, and professionally painted. Timeline on this 
>>> wouldn't be immediate - probably next year, or the year after that, but I 
>>> like to plan ahead. To my chagrin in this group I would not be sending it 
>>> to Joe Bell because I'm in Canada and it would be like $400 in shipping 
>>> alone, plus I'm local to Chris Dekerf who has a very capable paint studio 
>>> that does lots of impressive custom work (all of Chromag's locally made 
>>> frames, for instance).  
>>>
>>> I absolutely would be doing a proper two-color paintjob with all the lug 
>>> detailing that a MUSA Rivendell has, and I want the color selection to look 
>>> like a natural choice for the Bombadil - it doesn't have to be a Rivendell 
>>> colour, but I want it to look like it could easily have been in 2009.  I 
>>> also wouldn't do this unless I can get the proper decals to apply after, 
>>> though Riv never responds to my emails so I'll probably need to give them a 
>>> call on this. 
>>>
>>> I am gravitating towards greens and greys at the moment.  Ideas include: 
>>> - Classic Hunq green 
>>> - Vaughn's custom green (bit more of a sage quality) 
>>> - Bomba / Hunq dark grey, but without the red paneling - maybe the cream 
>>> white??
>>> - I don't know this is hard! 
>>>
>>> Leah made me aware that Taiwan does not use consistent paint coding as 
>>> North America, so while I love the idea of the new Platypus blue-silver 
>>> (actually green-blue), it's probably not possible.  
>>>
>>> My knowledge of what colors the Bombadil came in is limited by what 
>>> google tells me because I did not know of this bike when it was new. There 
>>> are surely period-correct Rivendell colors I haven't considered, but