Re: [RBW] Re: 2021 J'Appaloosa

[Jason Fuller]

Tim - I agree COMPLETELY, though from what I've learned from Leah, they use
a totally different paint coding scheme in Taiwan vs. North America, so I
can't get the code and would instead need to have the paint take a guess
and blend it up.  But heck, even a few shades either side of this would be
great.

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:02 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:

> Jason, seeing as you have another post about which color to paint the
> Bombadil, I think this is the one! I also don't need a Appaloosa (have an
> Atlantis) but I do really like this color.
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the Riv I most want is an Apppalsa (tears emojis) and this
>> color is so sweat. I also dig the mustard they did a few years back.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Looks a lot like the Platypus "blue silver" which is really more of a
>>> blue-green - and I LOVE it.  Really love it.  If I didn't have the Bombadil
>>> I'd be lining up for an Appa in this color.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 23 March 2021 at 04:18:28 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I noticed this morning that the Appaloosa page has been updated with a
 painted sample tube. Looks like a creamy sage. Wow!

 [image: Screen Shot 2021-03-23 at 7.17.23 AM.png]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Last call: Free for postage: 21"/533 mm mountain bike handlebar

[Patrick Moore]

Good suggestion. The route from my house to the Coop is rideable, too.

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 3:24 PM Matthew P 
wrote:

> Or the bike co-op? https://www.bikecoopnm.com/
> Everyone, don't forget about your local bike co-op.
> Feed them with parts and burritos :)
> -Matthew
> Bikes del Pueblo
> the bike co-op in San Diego, on Kumeyaay Land
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 9:50:20 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> If there are no takers, it goes into the recycling bin.
>>
>> You pay postage from 87120
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dave Moulton's blog worth a look today

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Another great intro to this topic is the 2016 documentary, “Hypernormalisation” 
by British filmmaker Adam Curtis. Easy to find on streaming services and worth 
a watch, as are all of his films.

--Eric N

> On Mar 24, 2021, at 2:16 PM, Scott G.  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think I have been hanging out in a different reality than Mr. Moulton.
> Great Grandad explained the the world had gone to hell once the Emperor Franz 
> Joseph died.
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 4:33:52 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>> Glad you brought those points up, Patrick.  There was a time in our nation 
>> when rewards were external.  Sure, people took pride in what they did, but 
>> they saw the reward in what earning a living did for their families.  Not 
>> any more.  Beginning with our Boomer generation (yep, I'm one of 'em, too) 
>> rewards began to become internalized - first it was something like "I feel 
>> rewarded (internally) when see what my teaching, etc. does for my students.  
>> Now it's gone down to the point where I feel good about who I think I am 
>> (and I'll leave it go at that).  Carl Trueman wrote a book that was 
>> published last year entitled, "The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: 
>> Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to the Sexual 
>> Revolution."  In it he does an excellent job of tracing the roots of how got 
>> to where we are as a culture from the 17th Century up to the late 20th and 
>> the impact that philosophers, poets, artists, and psychoanalysts had and how 
>> they finally culminated in what became known as deconstructionism.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:00:58 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> Good points. Moulton reminds me of Matthew Crawford's Shop Class as Soul 
>>> Craft where he argues that even the "base mechanical arts" (Crawford's 
>>> examples are electrician and motorcycle mechanic) incline the practitioner 
>>> to both moral and intellectual virtue (in the traditional sense; Crawford 
>>> is that rarest of birds, an Aristotelian who is not a Thomist) because they 
>>> force one regularly to submit to reality external to the ego. This would be 
>>> even more true for a creative craft, and both in contradiction to "digital" 
>>> and clerical trades, he says.
>>> 
>>> He repeats this general theme -- we need close and regular involvement with 
>>> external reality to thrive -- with a slightly different slant in his later 
>>> The World Beyond Your Head
>>> 
 On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:40 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:
 Dig it. I end up on his blog occasionally. He does have some good been 
 around the block a few times wisdom. I think Grant may have linked to 
 Dave's blog and that was how I ended up there.
 I was reading Lila by Robert Pirsig last night and got to a section 
 talking about celebrity. A zen master once told him, "If you get too 
 famous you will go straight to hell." The idea being that once you become 
 a celebrity you have two personalities diverging, the true self and the 
 image others have of you. This is true of all people to some extent but 
 gets magnified when your fame increases, thus making it more difficult to 
 get in touch with your true self. I don't have much desire to be famous 
 but I would like to be happy. These are good reminders that happiness is a 
 choice we make each day, not something that is given or owed to us.
 
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:57:55 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>> Thanks for posting.  Good read.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> I guess not too many on this list read a blog by a retired builder of 
>>> racing frames, but Moulton has a fund of basic wisdom in his very old 
>>> age. He's not a wise man, but he's a practical man who grew up in 
>>> harder times, worked at a real craft, and has mellowed in old age. FWIW.
>>> 
>>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Last call: Free for postage: 21"/533 mm mountain bike handlebar

[Matthew P]

Or the bike co-op? https://www.bikecoopnm.com/
Everyone, don't forget about your local bike co-op.
Feed them with parts and burritos :)
-Matthew
Bikes del Pueblo
the bike co-op in San Diego, on Kumeyaay Land

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 9:50:20 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> If there are no takers, it goes into the recycling bin.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dave Moulton's blog worth a look today

[Scott G.]

I think I have been hanging out in a different reality than Mr. Moulton.
Great Grandad explained the the world had gone to hell once the Emperor 
Franz Joseph died.


On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 4:33:52 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Glad you brought those points up, Patrick.  There was a time in our nation 
> when rewards were external.  Sure, people took pride in what they did, but 
> they saw the reward in what earning a living did for their families.  Not 
> any more.  Beginning with our Boomer generation (yep, I'm one of 'em, too) 
> rewards began to become internalized - first it was something like "I feel 
> rewarded (internally) when see what my teaching, etc. does for my students. 
>  Now it's gone down to the point where I feel good about who I think I am 
> (and I'll leave it go at that).  Carl Trueman wrote a book that was 
> published last year entitled, "The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: 
> Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to the Sexual 
> Revolution."  In it he does an excellent job of tracing the roots of how 
> got to where we are as a culture from the 17th Century up to the late 20th 
> and the impact that philosophers, poets, artists, and psychoanalysts had 
> and how they finally culminated in what became known as deconstructionism.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:00:58 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Good points. Moulton reminds me of Matthew Crawford's *Shop Class as 
>> Soul Craft* where he argues that even the "base mechanical arts" 
>> (Crawford's examples are electrician and motorcycle mechanic) incline the 
>> practitioner to both moral and intellectual virtue (in the traditional 
>> sense; Crawford is that rarest of birds, an Aristotelian who is not a 
>> Thomist) because they force one regularly to submit to reality external to 
>> the ego. This would be even more true for a creative craft, and both in 
>> contradiction to "digital" and clerical trades, he says.
>>
>> He repeats this general theme -- we need close and regular involvement 
>> with external reality to thrive -- with a slightly different slant in his 
>> later *The World Beyond Your Head*
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:40 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:
>>
>>> Dig it. I end up on his blog occasionally. He does have some good been 
>>> around the block a few times wisdom. I think Grant may have linked to 
>>> Dave's blog and that was how I ended up there.
>>> I was reading Lila by Robert Pirsig last night and got to a section 
>>> talking about celebrity. A zen master once told him, "If you get too famous 
>>> you will go straight to hell." The idea being that once you become a 
>>> celebrity you have two personalities diverging, the true self and the image 
>>> others have of you. This is true of all people to some extent but gets 
>>> magnified when your fame increases, thus making it more difficult to get in 
>>> touch with your true self. I don't have much desire to be famous but I 
>>> would like to be happy. These are good reminders that happiness is a choice 
>>> we make each day, not something that is given or owed to us.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:57:55 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for posting.  Good read.


 On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I guess not too many on this list read a blog by a retired builder of 
> racing frames, but Moulton has a fund of basic wisdom in his very old 
> age. 
> He's not a wise man, but he's a practical man who grew up in harder 
> times, 
> worked at a real craft, and has mellowed in old age. FWIW.
>
> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dave Moulton's blog worth a look today

[George Schick]

Glad you brought those points up, Patrick.  There was a time in our nation 
when rewards were external.  Sure, people took pride in what they did, but 
they saw the reward in what earning a living did for their families.  Not 
any more.  Beginning with our Boomer generation (yep, I'm one of 'em, too) 
rewards began to become internalized - first it was something like "I feel 
rewarded (internally) when see what my teaching, etc. does for my students. 
 Now it's gone down to the point where I feel good about who I think I am 
(and I'll leave it go at that).  Carl Trueman wrote a book that was 
published last year entitled, "The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self: 
Cultural Amnesia, Expressive Individualism, and the Road to the Sexual 
Revolution."  In it he does an excellent job of tracing the roots of how 
got to where we are as a culture from the 17th Century up to the late 20th 
and the impact that philosophers, poets, artists, and psychoanalysts had 
and how they finally culminated in what became known as deconstructionism.


On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:00:58 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good points. Moulton reminds me of Matthew Crawford's *Shop Class as Soul 
> Craft* where he argues that even the "base mechanical arts" (Crawford's 
> examples are electrician and motorcycle mechanic) incline the practitioner 
> to both moral and intellectual virtue (in the traditional sense; Crawford 
> is that rarest of birds, an Aristotelian who is not a Thomist) because they 
> force one regularly to submit to reality external to the ego. This would be 
> even more true for a creative craft, and both in contradiction to "digital" 
> and clerical trades, he says.
>
> He repeats this general theme -- we need close and regular involvement 
> with external reality to thrive -- with a slightly different slant in his 
> later *The World Beyond Your Head*
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:40 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:
>
>> Dig it. I end up on his blog occasionally. He does have some good been 
>> around the block a few times wisdom. I think Grant may have linked to 
>> Dave's blog and that was how I ended up there.
>> I was reading Lila by Robert Pirsig last night and got to a section 
>> talking about celebrity. A zen master once told him, "If you get too famous 
>> you will go straight to hell." The idea being that once you become a 
>> celebrity you have two personalities diverging, the true self and the image 
>> others have of you. This is true of all people to some extent but gets 
>> magnified when your fame increases, thus making it more difficult to get in 
>> touch with your true self. I don't have much desire to be famous but I 
>> would like to be happy. These are good reminders that happiness is a choice 
>> we make each day, not something that is given or owed to us.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:57:55 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for posting.  Good read.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I guess not too many on this list read a blog by a retired builder of 
 racing frames, but Moulton has a fund of basic wisdom in his very old age. 
 He's not a wise man, but he's a practical man who grew up in harder times, 
 worked at a real craft, and has mellowed in old age. FWIW.

 http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dave Moulton's blog worth a look today

[RichS]

Patrick,

Good reminder to look at Dave Moulton's blog. I appreciate his early years 
in England; quite a challenging start in life. As he says in yesterday's 
blog: *Remember when you were 5,6 or 7? The thoughts you had, was that not 
the same person that does the thinking now?  *He comes by it honestly.

Best,
Rich in ATL


On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:00:58 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Good points. Moulton reminds me of Matthew Crawford's *Shop Class as Soul 
> Craft* where he argues that even the "base mechanical arts" (Crawford's 
> examples are electrician and motorcycle mechanic) incline the practitioner 
> to both moral and intellectual virtue (in the traditional sense; Crawford 
> is that rarest of birds, an Aristotelian who is not a Thomist) because they 
> force one regularly to submit to reality external to the ego. This would be 
> even more true for a creative craft, and both in contradiction to "digital" 
> and clerical trades, he says.
>
> He repeats this general theme -- we need close and regular involvement 
> with external reality to thrive -- with a slightly different slant in his 
> later *The World Beyond Your Head*
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:40 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:
>
>> Dig it. I end up on his blog occasionally. He does have some good been 
>> around the block a few times wisdom. I think Grant may have linked to 
>> Dave's blog and that was how I ended up there.
>> I was reading Lila by Robert Pirsig last night and got to a section 
>> talking about celebrity. A zen master once told him, "If you get too famous 
>> you will go straight to hell." The idea being that once you become a 
>> celebrity you have two personalities diverging, the true self and the image 
>> others have of you. This is true of all people to some extent but gets 
>> magnified when your fame increases, thus making it more difficult to get in 
>> touch with your true self. I don't have much desire to be famous but I 
>> would like to be happy. These are good reminders that happiness is a choice 
>> we make each day, not something that is given or owed to us.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:57:55 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for posting.  Good read.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I guess not too many on this list read a blog by a retired builder of 
 racing frames, but Moulton has a fund of basic wisdom in his very old age. 
 He's not a wise man, but he's a practical man who grew up in harder times, 
 worked at a real craft, and has mellowed in old age. FWIW.

 http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com

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[RBW] Re: What size are the upper/larger braze-ons on Riv seat stay?

[Justin]

Thanks chaps! Question answered! Oh and yes Hetchins52 it was just an M5 
pushed through

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:36:46 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> The upper eyelet on the dropout and the braze-on a couple of inches up the 
> seatstay are a standard M6x1 thread. The other braze-ons and dropout 
> eyelets are M5x0.8 thread.
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Traveled Rivendell? Pamela Murray’s Betty Foy: 51,845 Miles

[Patrick Moore]

The picknic table load is certainly impressive!

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:54 PM Pam Bikes  wrote:

> Just for fun, here's some links to some folder w/more pictures of stuff
> I've carried home on my bike.  Most of this stuff is rescued from the curb
> (landfill).  Some are groceries from the store and the drying rack was a
> gift from a friend.  Carry your straps all the time.  You never know what
> you'll find.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/184xIq-hNRac1onn7N8IjcupmH9ttKACw?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/181PWvlL0MhwSmqsajAPRK_BNo--en6ME?usp=sharing
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:20:44 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> [image: B5AB496C-E49A-4B04-BEE5-0E57D67F9DFD.png][image:
>> 7F6B87BC-E674-4345-B790-97AB33BA5EF2.jpeg][image:
>> 4748EDA6-97D3-449E-B58D-092DCD994DB9.png]
>>
>> This powerhouse is Pamela Murray. We’ve mentioned her before. I hold her
>> in highest esteem because of what she gets done on her Betty Foy. She rides
>> in all weather, carries all manner of unwieldy things, and wears her stuff
>> OUT. Like, she’s on her 3rd dyno hub. She wore out her front derailleur.
>> You get the picture.
>>
>> Anyway, she posted a pic of her carrying a child’s bike on her Nitto
>> rack. Sure, it required 4 straps and an iron will, but she has all those
>> things. She said she is getting her use out of her Riv and her Nitto rack.
>> Marveling, I told her I think she has the most use of any Riv in the
>> history of Riv, and she shrugged it off, sure that others have as many
>> miles.
>>
>> Her Betty Foy mileage (oh she keeps track!) is an astounding 51,845
>> miles.
>>
>> I told her I had to start a thread and find out if anyone can beat that.
>> So: has anyone got a Rivendell with more miles than Pam?
>>
>> Even if you can’t beat her, if you have a Riv with an impressive log of
>> miles, share it here! Photos that show the character of your well-traveled
>> machines are welcome!
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: First ride on Bleriot this year

[RichS]

Wonderful bike indeed. Monsieur Bleriot was almost my first Riv but alas 
the deal fell through:-( 

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 6:01:18 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Such a wonderful bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Traveled Rivendell? Pamela Murray’s Betty Foy: 51,845 Miles

[RichS]

Leah,

Irv rode a Romulus (sold it to a list member) prior to the Joe App. The Joe 
was acquired last year. Irv's story is a good one. He's a nice guy too!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:46:09 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Wow, 50,000 on an Appaloosa! That’s impressive - the Appaloosas haven’t 
> been out for THAT many years, which means he must put on a lot of miles per 
> year. 
>
> I love this story. Who else?
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 24, 2021, at 9:06 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
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> 
>
> My local hero is Irv Hoffman with his orange Joe Appaloosa.  I see him 
> occasionally on the Silver Comet Trail.
> He's got to be getting close to 50,000 miles.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dave Moulton's blog worth a look today

[Patrick Moore]

Good points. Moulton reminds me of Matthew Crawford's *Shop Class as Soul
Craft* where he argues that even the "base mechanical arts" (Crawford's
examples are electrician and motorcycle mechanic) incline the practitioner
to both moral and intellectual virtue (in the traditional sense; Crawford
is that rarest of birds, an Aristotelian who is not a Thomist) because they
force one regularly to submit to reality external to the ego. This would be
even more true for a creative craft, and both in contradiction to "digital"
and clerical trades, he says.

He repeats this general theme -- we need close and regular involvement with
external reality to thrive -- with a slightly different slant in his later *The
World Beyond Your Head*

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 8:40 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:

> Dig it. I end up on his blog occasionally. He does have some good been
> around the block a few times wisdom. I think Grant may have linked to
> Dave's blog and that was how I ended up there.
> I was reading Lila by Robert Pirsig last night and got to a section
> talking about celebrity. A zen master once told him, "If you get too famous
> you will go straight to hell." The idea being that once you become a
> celebrity you have two personalities diverging, the true self and the image
> others have of you. This is true of all people to some extent but gets
> magnified when your fame increases, thus making it more difficult to get in
> touch with your true self. I don't have much desire to be famous but I
> would like to be happy. These are good reminders that happiness is a choice
> we make each day, not something that is given or owed to us.
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:57:55 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting.  Good read.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I guess not too many on this list read a blog by a retired builder of
>>> racing frames, but Moulton has a fund of basic wisdom in his very old age.
>>> He's not a wise man, but he's a practical man who grew up in harder times,
>>> worked at a real craft, and has mellowed in old age. FWIW.
>>>
>>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Most Traveled Rivendell? Pamela Murray’s Betty Foy: 51,845 Miles

[Leah Peterson]

Wow, 50,000 on an Appaloosa! That’s impressive - the Appaloosas haven’t been 
out for THAT many years, which means he must put on a lot of miles per year. 

I love this story. Who else?
Leah

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> He's got to be getting close to 50,000 miles.
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Re: [RBW] replace top tube to improve ride

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I realized that there's another reason for the ride feeling like it does.
Usually I ride this as a commuter, with a Kryptonite New York lock strapped
on top of the rear rack, so much of my impression of the ride comes from
this. Removing this saved about 7 lbs from right on top of the rear wheel.
The ride is noticeably different without this weight, because the bike is
much easier to rock from side to side. Once my current tires wear out maybe
I'll try something high end and see what else that does for it.

Perhaps frame tubing stiffness makes only a small difference in ride
feeling, while cargo weight distribution and tires make big differences.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I can vouch for the suppleness and fast-rolling quality of the 1.8" RH
> Naches Pass tire, in the "normal" as well as the "EL" versions. In my
> experience, they give up little, perhaps nothing, to the sublime rolling
> quality of the ultra light, 175-gram RH Elk Pass.
>
> But I doubt whether even the best tire will make a dead bike feel alive. I
> used the Elk Pass on my erstwhile 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv custom, then used
> the same wheels and tires on the replacement Matthews frame. The Curt just
> felt sluggish* in a way that the Matthews does not, and I was immediately
> struck, on first riding it, how "easier to pedal" the latter is when, say,
> coming to an incline or turning into a headwind -- all this especially
> noticeable because on a fixed gear one cannot gear down.
>
> *Relatively speaking, that is, compared to, say, the 1999 Joe Starck
> custom (also shod with the Elk Pass) and to other frames built of less
> robust tubing. The 2003 wasn't *horrible,* just noticeably "non-optimum."
>
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>
>> Jan Heine sells 26"x 1.8" supple tires by Panaracer.  perhaps a $72
>> investment would 'soften up' your ride to the maximum extent possible. If
>> still too harsh, a new flexible frame would be the next step.
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[RBW] Re: 2021 J'Appaloosa

[Tim Baldwin]

Jason, seeing as you have another post about which color to paint the 
Bombadil, I think this is the one! I also don't need a Appaloosa (have an 
Atlantis) but I do really like this color.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, the Riv I most want is an Apppalsa (tears emojis) and this color 
> is so sweat. I also dig the mustard they did a few years back. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 12:21:17 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Looks a lot like the Platypus "blue silver" which is really more of a 
>> blue-green - and I LOVE it.  Really love it.  If I didn't have the Bombadil 
>> I'd be lining up for an Appa in this color.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, 23 March 2021 at 04:18:28 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed this morning that the Appaloosa page has been updated with a 
>>> painted sample tube. Looks like a creamy sage. Wow! 
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2021-03-23 at 7.17.23 AM.png]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Most Traveled Rivendell? Pamela Murray’s Betty Foy: 51,845 Miles

[Tim Baldwin]

This is some good inspiration for riding. Toting that table around is 
impressive. I'd like to put that many miles on a bike, I just need to stop 
building new ones every couple of years. Easier said than done. I thought 
the Atlantis might be the one (probably has around 8,000) but my new Susie 
is getting all the miles now. All that aside, I love seeing people ride the 
heck out of their bikes.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:54:52 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Just for fun, here's some links to some folder w/more pictures of stuff 
> I've carried home on my bike.  Most of this stuff is rescued from the curb 
> (landfill).  Some are groceries from the store and the drying rack was a 
> gift from a friend.  Carry your straps all the time.  You never know what 
> you'll find.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/184xIq-hNRac1onn7N8IjcupmH9ttKACw?usp=sharing
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/181PWvlL0MhwSmqsajAPRK_BNo--en6ME?usp=sharing
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:20:44 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: B5AB496C-E49A-4B04-BEE5-0E57D67F9DFD.png][image: 
>> 7F6B87BC-E674-4345-B790-97AB33BA5EF2.jpeg][image: 
>> 4748EDA6-97D3-449E-B58D-092DCD994DB9.png]
>>
>> This powerhouse is Pamela Murray. We’ve mentioned her before. I hold her 
>> in highest esteem because of what she gets done on her Betty Foy. She rides 
>> in all weather, carries all manner of unwieldy things, and wears her stuff 
>> OUT. Like, she’s on her 3rd dyno hub. She wore out her front derailleur. 
>> You get the picture. 
>>
>> Anyway, she posted a pic of her carrying a child’s bike on her Nitto 
>> rack. Sure, it required 4 straps and an iron will, but she has all those 
>> things. She said she is getting her use out of her Riv and her Nitto rack. 
>> Marveling, I told her I think she has the most use of any Riv in the 
>> history of Riv, and she shrugged it off, sure that others have as many 
>> miles. 
>>
>> Her Betty Foy mileage (oh she keeps track!) is an astounding 51,845 
>> miles. 
>>
>> I told her I had to start a thread and find out if anyone can beat that. 
>> So: has anyone got a Rivendell with more miles than Pam? 
>>
>> Even if you can’t beat her, if you have a Riv with an impressive log of 
>> miles, share it here! Photos that show the character of your well-traveled 
>> machines are welcome!
>> Leah
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Dave Moulton's blog worth a look today

[Tim Baldwin]

Dig it. I end up on his blog occasionally. He does have some good been 
around the block a few times wisdom. I think Grant may have linked to 
Dave's blog and that was how I ended up there.
I was reading Lila by Robert Pirsig last night and got to a section talking 
about celebrity. A zen master once told him, "If you get too famous you 
will go straight to hell." The idea being that once you become a celebrity 
you have two personalities diverging, the true self and the image others 
have of you. This is true of all people to some extent but gets magnified 
when your fame increases, thus making it more difficult to get in touch 
with your true self. I don't have much desire to be famous but I would like 
to be happy. These are good reminders that happiness is a choice we make 
each day, not something that is given or owed to us.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:57:55 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Thanks for posting.  Good read.
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I guess not too many on this list read a blog by a retired builder of 
>> racing frames, but Moulton has a fund of basic wisdom in his very old age. 
>> He's not a wise man, but he's a practical man who grew up in harder times, 
>> worked at a real craft, and has mellowed in old age. FWIW.
>>
>> http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com
>>
>> -- 
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>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB CX70 Front Derailleur

[J Schwartz]

These front mechs seem to be hard to come by these days like many other 
bike parts.
Curious if anyone has one they want to move on or know of any retailers 
that may have any.
I can get a new one (bottom pull with a 34.9 clamp) from universal cycles 
and I'll have to find a shim, but I'd rather find the 28.6 clamp version 
Thank you
JS

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