Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Peter Adler]

Edeluxes (of all generations) are LED lights. I don't know of any light 
manufacturer who uses the same model name for both LED and non-LED models. 
I'd be hard-pressed these days to name any name-brand bike light 
manufacturer who makes anything except LED lights.

As with any electrical circuit, component failure is always possible. The 
first thing to check is always the cables, because they're the most likely 
points of failure; but they're not the only ones.

Peter "can you...see the...brand new day?" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 6:18:47 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> I assume SON, like everyone else nowadays, is using LED lighting.  These 
> require circuitry other than just a pair of wires running to a battery or a 
> dynamo to provide the correct voltage to the diodes such as semiconductors 
> to amplify and/or limit the voltage levels.  If there is a failure in the 
> semiconductors in that light, you will get the kind of flickering or 
> intermittent illumination described.  I have a few lights in my 
> refrigerator that flicker like that and my electrical engineer son ensures 
> me that it's a problem with a circuit board somewhere in the fridge.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Saluki Frame or Bike

[Brendan Willard]

I had a flood of inquiries when I sold my Saluki. Seems they never come up for 
sale! I’ll keep an eye out!

>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
phantomecellars.com 

Speaking in Thumbs 👍

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 8:22 PM, 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s a 54 CM. 
> 
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 8:39:59 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>> 
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7312839933.html
>> 
>> This one has been on CL forever. 
>> 
>> M
>>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:11:42 PM UTC-4 Karl wrote:
>>> Good Evening! I have always had a spot in my heart (and kept a spot in the 
>>> stable) for a Saluki. Anyone have a frame or bike for sale or thinking 
>>> about selling? I am stuck on a Saluki and not a AHH. Thank y'all in advance!
>>> 
>>> Karl
>>> Nashville, TN
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Saluki Frame or Bike

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It’s a 54 CM. 

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 8:39:59 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

>
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7312839933.html
>
> This one has been on CL forever. 
>
> M
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:11:42 PM UTC-4 Karl wrote:
>
>> Good Evening! I have always had a spot in my heart (and kept a spot in 
>> the stable) for a Saluki. Anyone have a frame or bike for sale or thinking 
>> about selling? I am stuck on a Saluki and not a AHH. Thank y'all in advance!
>>
>> Karl
>> Nashville, TN
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: What draws you to a single speed bike?

[Ray Varella]

Patrick,
Kids survive because they are resilient and fools rarely suffer the same 
sort of consequences as those who know better. 

To add to what Ian said, you may have also inadvertently sent the reply to 
the op. That would also explain why it’s not on the forum 

Ray

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:59:31 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> Probably nothing you did wrong as it seems to happen without moderator 
> intervention from time to time. Possibly some Google filter that jumped on 
> your post for no discernable reason. I have had one or two disappear in 
> similar circumstances and it hasn't been due to a moderator. It is also 
> possible you inadvertantly deleted your own post - that's happened to me 
> before too, if the page has loaded slowly and I've been clicking 
> impatiently.
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 2:09:31 PM UTC-6 masmojo wrote:
>
>> OK, just curious; I know I posted a reply to this thread, but it seems to 
>>> have been deleted??
>>>
>> No biggie, but if there's some reason for it I'd like to know what it is, 
>> so I don't make the same mistake in the future!?
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rides near your house

[Patrick Moore]

The Petroglyph park area is also an old volcanic area, so this particular
section of NW ABQ contains a great deal of black-ish stone rubble from
ancient volcanos; along this latitude the volcanic debris continues for
miles; just east of Gallup there are big boulder deposits along I-40. Go N
or S along the same longitude and the vegetation will be similar but the
ground largely sandy; not like a beach, but finer, silt-like sand that will
turn into clay, gummy when wet, hard-packed when dry until heat and
mechanical action break it down again.

Bosque aside, it's a harsh landscape, but heartbreakingly beautiful in its
open, vast vistas and very bright light (sunlight on the beach in Santa
Monica seems dim in comparison, I kid not). Of course NM has many other
types of landscape.

It has been decades since I've seen Athens. An uncle used to teach at UGA,
and we'd visit there on home leave.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 8:29 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> The landscape looks so different than here in Athens, Ga. Nice photos
> Patrick. I can relate to not being in hill shape.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:07:09 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Today's ride took me west away from the Big River and the forested bosque
>> to the escarpment that separates the West Mesa from the Valley; a
>> separation not only in altitude but in terrain and vegetation; this is true
>> high desert landscape.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rides near your house

[Doug H.]

The landscape looks so different than here in Athens, Ga. Nice photos 
Patrick. I can relate to not being in hill shape.
Doug

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:07:09 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Today's ride took me west away from the Big River and the forested bosque 
> to the escarpment that separates the West Mesa from the Valley; a 
> separation not only in altitude but in terrain and vegetation; this is true 
> high desert landscape.
>
> I had several packages to mail, and instead of heading north, flat, 
> parallel to the river to the Corrales post office, I decided to ride West 
> to the Richard Pino post office, a ride that directly from my house 
> involves some 3 miles of climbing, about 4 miles total.
>
> Not too long ago I was doing this with loads in 70" and 76" gears, but my 
> climbing muscles are not only old, they have been recently neglected as I 
> ride N-S along the bosque areas I've shown.
>
> So I took the newer Matthews and carried 5 sizeable packages up the ~3 
> miles of climbing (basically 3 X 1-mile hills)/4 miles total using the AM 
> hub with direct 2nd, 1.115 high, 0.8654 low: with 25 6/10" wheel, 48 t ring 
> and 19 to cog: 65", 72", 56". Afterward I went back south, then continued 
> west back to the Petroglyph climb pictured here. The climb ramps up to 9%, 
> then to 11%, and then to 15% (I think; didn't get that far), and I made it, 
> seated in the 56" gear, up past the 11% sign. I did not stand and honk up 
> the rest, because of things I've read about SA hubs slipping under high 
> loads; though I am not entirely convinced that this is a real problem with 
> properly adjusted shifting systems.
>
> Anyway, the photos (they actually turned out well) show not only the grade 
> but the high desert landscape and the sky, oh the beautiful sky!
>
> About 5 miles from my house as crows fly.
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[George Schick]

I assume SON, like everyone else nowadays, is using LED lighting.  These 
require circuitry other than just a pair of wires running to a battery or a 
dynamo to provide the correct voltage to the diodes such as semiconductors 
to amplify and/or limit the voltage levels.  If there is a failure in the 
semiconductors in that light, you will get the kind of flickering or 
intermittent illumination described.  I have a few lights in my 
refrigerator that flicker like that and my electrical engineer son ensures 
me that it's a problem with a circuit board somewhere in the fridge.
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:32:42 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was hoping but I haven’t heard anything. I would just order it but I’m 
> sure there’s other parts I need for the wiring and i don’t know what they 
> are😭
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, 
> then let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back? 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>>
>>
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
>> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
>> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
>> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
>> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
>> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
>> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
>> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
>> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>>
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
>> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>>
>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
>> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
>> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
>> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just 
>> a guess)
>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
>> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
>> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
>> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
>> and also cutting/soldering.
>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
>> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
>> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
>> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
>> fiddley!
>> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
>> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
>> mine on all the time!
>>
>> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal 
>> of ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
>> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
>> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
>> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
>> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
>> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
>> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
>> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

This dang light! The one they have says 'bare wire' and you already have 
the coaxial thing they sell so you should be good to go with just swapping 
the lamps and the shop will plug the wires in. Let's hope Analog says "Yep, 
what Joe said!" 

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 5:32:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was hoping but I haven’t heard anything. I would just order it but I’m 
> sure there’s other parts I need for the wiring and i don’t know what they 
> are😭
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, 
> then let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back? 
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>>
>>
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
>> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
>> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
>> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
>> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
>> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
>> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
>> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
>> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>>
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m 
>> just ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>>
>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
>> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
>> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
>> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just 
>> a guess)
>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
>> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
>> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
>> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
>> and also cutting/soldering.
>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
>> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
>> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
>> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
>> fiddley!
>> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
>> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
>> mine on all the time!
>>
>> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal 
>> of ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
>> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
>> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
>> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
>> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
>> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
>> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
>> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Saluki Frame or Bike

[Michael Morrissey]

https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7312839933.html

This one has been on CL forever. 

M
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:11:42 PM UTC-4 Karl wrote:

> Good Evening! I have always had a spot in my heart (and kept a spot in the 
> stable) for a Saluki. Anyone have a frame or bike for sale or thinking 
> about selling? I am stuck on a Saluki and not a AHH. Thank y'all in advance!
>
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

I was hoping but I haven’t heard anything. I would just order it but I’m sure 
there’s other parts I need for the wiring and i don’t know what they are😭

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, then 
> let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back? 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Update: it’s the light. 
>> 
>> 
>> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year was 
>> working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole system, 
>> ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. The rear 
>> tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the issue. He 
>> feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like there’s a short 
>> in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the switch and was able 
>> to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is exactly what happened 
>> for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up and spun the wheel 
>> myself, the headlight did not light up.
>> 
>> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m just 
>> ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
 
>>> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>> 
>>> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
>>> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
>>> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
>>> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
>>> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, but 
>>> it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
>>> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
>>> guess)
>>> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
>>> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
>>> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
>>> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
>>> and also cutting/soldering.
>>> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
>>> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
>>> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
>>> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
>>> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
>>> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
>>> fiddley!
>>> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
>>> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
>>> mine on all the time!
>>> 
>>> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
>>> ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
>>> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
>>> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
>>> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
>>> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
>>> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
>>> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
>>> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>>> 
> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Joe Bernard]

The Analog site shows a pink one in stock. Will they swap em for you, then 
let Schmidt deal with the light you sent back? 



On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 4:27:40 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Update: it’s the light. 
>
>
> The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year 
> was working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole 
> system, ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. 
> The rear tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the 
> issue. He feels like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like 
> there’s a short in it or a loose connection. He fiddled around with the 
> switch and was able to get the headlight to come on in the stand. This is 
> exactly what happened for yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up 
> and spun the wheel myself, the headlight did not light up.
>
> I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m just 
> ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>
> I'll weigh in a on a few things
>
> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
> is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, 
> but it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
> guess)
> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
> easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
> when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
> R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
> and also cutting/soldering.
> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
> really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
> front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
> there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
> fiddley!
> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
> the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
> mine on all the time!
>
> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
> ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
> light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
> owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
> it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
> currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
> primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
> though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
> I just prefer the design and the way they mount.
>
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

['Kate Gilson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’m in love with the look. Keep the Platy pics coming. Happy Surprise Platy 
Birthday!
Kate- Trenton, NJ 
Still waiting on my Mermaid Platy from RBW

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> On Apr 29, 2021, at 19:18, JRStern11 via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Very nice.  This is becoming my favorite color.  
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:04 PM, Bones  wrote:
>> Surprised my wife with a Platypus for her 40th birthday. Came today and I 
>> managed to put it together in about three hours between preparing food and 
>> changing diapers for my little roomates. I've been hoarding parts for a 
>> while and I built the wheels ahead of time. Maybe tomorrow I will have time 
>> to add the rack, basket and lights. She too has a Clem L, which will likely 
>> now be used as a dedicated trail bike. I don't think the bike could fit her 
>> any better. I look forward to seeing how everyone else's turns out!
>> 
>> Bones
>> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bosco or Tosco with quill stem, crankset (double or triple)

[Pancake]

Thanks for all the replies and suggestions (especially Community Bikes, I 
can’t wait to check them out!).
I’ve got the stem, shifters (attached to the stem), and I’m donating my own 
crankset ... so I can replace it with an upgrade (IRD 46/30t double from 
Boulderbicycle.bike like the IRD Defiant but in 94mm BCD).
*Still looking for **Tosco bars - 60cm wide, 25.4mm at stem (or something 
similar, like 55cm Tosco).*

On Wednesday, 14 April 2021 at 13:09:22 UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Do you know about Community Bikes in Santa Rosa 
> ? They are a bike co-op 
> and have several bins of used parts including the ones you need. My wife 
> and I recently did a build for her new VO polyvalent frame 
>  and found some good bargain 
> parts ($10 HB, $5 stem, $15 sugino triple). 
>
> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 5:26:19 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> I'm building up a Cheviot for a friend on a budget - mostly from my spare 
>> parts. It may be too tall a frame for them (in which case you'll see it for 
>> sale here in a couple months maybe). But I'm missing a few important bits, 
>> *please 
>> let me know if you have any of these or something similar for sale in the 
>> SF Bay Area *(preferable close to Napa, though I could meet you in 
>> Oakland or SF or Sonoma or anywhere in between):
>>
>>- Tosco or Bosco or similar sweptback bars - Wald would be just fine 
>>since we're trying to keep the budget low. 
>>- Quill stem - 8cm to 11cm extension depending on which bars are 
>>available to go with it. Technomic or similar 25.4 or 26mm attachment 
>>preferred, but I'll take your Orgin8 or random old stem especially if 
>> it's 
>>cheap.
>>- Crankset - happy to cobble something together here, a double or 
>>triple Sugino or an old Specialized Flag or Velo Orange, something that 
>> can 
>>take 110 / 74 bcd. With or without chainrings. *Ideally a cheap, old 
>>44t/28t double*, but really anything that will get it moving would be 
>>great. It's a 9 speed chain and cassette so most anything will work. 
>>
>> I have loads of parts to trade if you're interested, just let me know 
>> what you're after. The spare parts I'm using on this build are mostly black 
>> so other black or silver parts are great. 
>>
>> Please email me off list with what you have, hopefully near enough to 
>> meet for a porch pick up. I can pay cash, venmo or paypal. 
>>
>> Take care,
>> Abe
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Leah Peterson]

Update: it’s the light. 


The mechanic who installed the dyno system on my Clem  for me last year was 
working today, and he handled my Platy. He investigated  the whole system, 
ensured that all the wires and connections were correct and sturdy. The rear 
tail light does light up, so it seems unlikely the hub is the issue. He feels 
like the issue is originating in the headlight. Like there’s a short in it or a 
loose connection. He fiddled around with the switch and was able to get the 
headlight to come on in the stand. This is exactly what happened for 
yesterday‘s mechanic. When I picked the bike up and spun the wheel myself, the 
headlight did not light up.

I’m going to see if Schmidt will make this right. If not, I guess I’m just 
ordering another headlight. I can’t exactly go without one.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:44 PM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> I'll weigh in a on a few things
> Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
> Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
> worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike is 
> on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
> Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, but 
> it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
> Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
> guess)
> JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's easy 
> to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically when 
> joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini R/C 
> connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier and 
> also cutting/soldering.
> Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't really 
> be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the front 
> light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically there's a 
> circuit in the light that does the conversion.
> I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
> plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
> fiddley!
> Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while the 
> wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave mine 
> on all the time!
> 
> FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
> ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the light 
> (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original owner sold 
> them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but it is 
> interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am currently not 
> working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  primarily to be seen 
> and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over though I think I'll get a 
> Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but I just prefer the design and 
> the way they mount.
> 
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[RBW] WTB: 58cm Saluki Frame or Bike

[Karl]

Good Evening! I have always had a spot in my heart (and kept a spot in the 
stable) for a Saluki. Anyone have a frame or bike for sale or thinking 
about selling? I am stuck on a Saluki and not a AHH. Thank y'all in advance!

Karl
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Pictures of an updated Roadeo

[reynoldslugs]

Apologies, forgot sign off:

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 3:32:56 PM UTC-7 reynoldslugs wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I've had this one for a while, it is a favorite.  Light and fun "go fast" 
> bike, although I am not fast.  I love the grey and and maroon color scheme 
> - and I like to post shots of my bikes - so after a recent update to the 
> parts, here it is:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157719068508932
>
> The paint detail is "Team Strawberry Pancakes - Campana In, Testico 
> Sicca."  
>
> The new parts are an NOS Deore Crankset, nitto bits, Dajia Bars, XT 
> pedals, White hubs laced to Open Pros, this and that.  It's a swell bike to 
> ride.
>
>
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[RBW] Pictures of an updated Roadeo

[reynoldslugs]

Hello all,

I've had this one for a while, it is a favorite.  Light and fun "go fast" 
bike, although I am not fast.  I love the grey and and maroon color scheme 
- and I like to post shots of my bikes - so after a recent update to the 
parts, here it is:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157719068508932

The paint detail is "Team Strawberry Pancakes - Campana In, Testico 
Sicca."  

The new parts are an NOS Deore Crankset, nitto bits, Dajia Bars, XT pedals, 
White hubs laced to Open Pros, this and that.  It's a swell bike to ride.


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[RBW] Re: What draws you to a single speed bike?

[Ian A]

Probably nothing you did wrong as it seems to happen without moderator 
intervention from time to time. Possibly some Google filter that jumped on 
your post for no discernable reason. I have had one or two disappear in 
similar circumstances and it hasn't been due to a moderator. It is also 
possible you inadvertantly deleted your own post - that's happened to me 
before too, if the page has loaded slowly and I've been clicking 
impatiently.
IanA Alberta Canada



On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 2:09:31 PM UTC-6 masmojo wrote:

> OK, just curious; I know I posted a reply to this thread, but it seems to 
>> have been deleted??
>>
> No biggie, but if there's some reason for it I'd like to know what it is, 
> so I don't make the same mistake in the future!?
>  
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[RBW] Re: What draws you to a single speed bike?

[masmojo]

>
> OK, just curious; I know I posted a reply to this thread, but it seems to 
> have been deleted??
>
No biggie, but if there's some reason for it I'd like to know what it is, 
so I don't make the same mistake in the future!?
 

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[RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[masmojo]

I'll weigh in a on a few things
Yes, Contacts on the right (drive) side. 
Notchiness?  It's just an element of the way the magnets work, it will be 
worse when the light is on and when they bike is in the air. Once the bike 
is on the ground with weight on it; it will be imperceptible.
Dynamo hubs will loosen up a small amount over the first months of use, but 
it's hardly noticeable and likely no more than regular hubs.
Funny noise could be an element of having it mounted backwards (?) (just a 
guess)
JMHO, but I am also somewhat loath to trim the stock dynamo cables, It's 
easy to shorten them, but more difficult to make them longer.  Typically 
when joining dynamo wires I head down to the local hobby shop and get mini 
R/C connectors. this makes connecting and disconnecting a darn site easier 
and also cutting/soldering.
Important to note: that some lights are DC and some are AC, shouldn't 
really be an issue especially if the Tail light is the same brand as the 
front light. I don't remember which brand is which, but I think typically 
there's a circuit in the light that does the conversion.
I like the SON hubs, but I have to say I prefer the Plastic quick connect 
plugs over the small insulated connectors the SON uses, the SON  are really 
fiddley!
Also note that some lights won't switch on unless you turn them on while 
the wheel is moving; I haven't had a big problem with this, because I leave 
mine on all the time!

FWIW, I have a SON hub and Edelux light that I bought in a package deal of 
ebay, Hub seems fine, but I mounted the light up on my Evasion and the 
light (like yours), doesn't seem very bright.  (may be why the original 
owner sold them) I haven't really done much towards figuring out why, but 
it is interesting that you've had a similar experience.  Since I am 
currently not working, I mainly ride in the daylight, so the light is  
primarily to be seen and it does that suitably well. Once Covid is over 
though I think I'll get a Supernova from Germany!!! Not really better, but 
I just prefer the design and the way they mount.


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Silver Sackville Banana Sax

[sam . perez . 2002]

If the gentleman in front of me passes I’m interested.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Carla Waugh  wrote:
> 
> still available
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:17:10 AM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:
>> Sold
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:41:59 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>>> Very interested, sent a message. 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:53:38 PM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:
 This bag has been lightly used. 95.00 if you live somewhere near Oklahoma. 
 Otherwise a small shipping amount.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Silver Sackville Banana Sax

[Robert Dowtin]

I'm still very interested then. 😁

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 14:05 Carla Waugh  wrote:

> still available
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:17:10 AM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:
>
>> Sold
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:41:59 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>>
>>> Very interested, sent a message.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:53:38 PM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:
>>>
 This bag has been lightly used. 95.00 if you live somewhere near
 Oklahoma. Otherwise a small shipping amount.
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[RBW] Re: FS Silver Sackville Banana Sax

[Carla Waugh]

still available

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:17:10 AM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:

> Sold
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:41:59 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>
>> Very interested, sent a message. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:53:38 PM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:
>>
>>> This bag has been lightly used. 95.00 if you live somewhere near 
>>> Oklahoma. Otherwise a small shipping amount.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Leather Handlebar Tape & Obenauf's?

[Ben Miller]

Not sure there is a wrong way. But i'd apply the leather conditioner after 
installation, personally. 

1. It seems easier to apply after wrapping than as a strip
2. Wrapping with a slightly oil/slick tape might be a little bit more 
difficult

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:16:44 AM UTC-7 John Phillips wrote:

>Should I treat the top side of my leather bar tape with Obenauf's 
> before wrapping, or after wrapping? Or am I overthinking this?
>
> Thanks,
> John
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[RBW] Leather Handlebar Tape & Obenauf's?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   Should I treat the top side of my leather bar tape with Obenauf's before 
wrapping, or after wrapping? Or am I overthinking this?

Thanks,
John

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv/Nitto Filet FacePlater 135mm length, 25.4mm clamp ($80+ship)

[Nikko in Oakland]

It's pending! There's a couple other folks behind the first potential 
buyer. 

Best, 
Nikko 
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 4:18:09 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> Hey y'all, 
>
> This stem is too tall for my hunq's head tube, so it's on the chopping 
> block. Some little weird scuffs that I can't explain from the previous 
> owner. I tried to use degreaser to get 'em off but they must be something 
> else. Shown in the photos. Save you some $ on sold out item! 
>
> Images here 
> Rivendell Site: Nitto Filet FacePlater 25.4mm 
> 
>
> Nikko in Oakland who going through lots of parts to put my hunq in it's 
> final form 
>

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[RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Ed Felker]

SON hubs can have internal problems. I have had two of them, disk-specific, 
same wheel, that have stopped working. 

When they did fail, it was immediately obvious due to a prominent buzzing 
noise. That noise stopped when the hub was disconnected. Both were on our 
tandem. In one case the light output was nil, the other was dim and 
flickering. 

Peter White handled both repairs without issue. He said the failure was 
something to do with the coil inside the hub. 

We have another SON on a second tandem, also disk brake, that has been 
trouble-free. 

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:01:53 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I never had dyno until 2020, and now I have it on my 2 bikes. 
>
> 1. 52 cm Clem L with 650b wheels: Shutter Precision hub with Edelux II 
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight 
>
> 2. 55 cm Platypus with 700c wheels: Schmidt SON hub with Edelux II 
> headlight and fender mounted SON taillight.
>
> So: same lights but different generators.
>
> SON has the votes for best dyno ever, so I went with that for my Platy, 
> but so far, it's not been as good as the SP. I know that cannot be, so 
> something must be wrong with my setup of the SON, or possibly the 
> hub/generator itself. I think it has been this way from the start; I always 
> thought the differences were due to the mounting location of the light.
>
> We had both bikes out on a family ride and the Clem's light was blindingly 
> bright - a veritable floodlight. The Platy's light appeared dim in 
> comparison, even though I was riding the Platy at a faster speed. The 
> Platy's rear light often flickers unless I am riding downhill, and the 
> Clem's does not. I've checked the connections and as best as I can tell, 
> there's nothing amiss. The Clem's headlight is front rack-mounted, and the 
> Platy uses a fork-crown mount. I did a night ride with the Platy last night 
> and was really underwhelmed by the beam. It is not the beam is blocked; it 
> appears the light is just generally dimmed.  I ride a dark path through the 
> desert where there is wilderness on one side and homes distantly located on 
> the other, no streetlights. I need good illumination; the Clem gives ample 
> lighting but I feel like I'm straining to see on my Platy..
>
> Secondly, I hear something in the drivetrain or wheel set of the Platy. 
> Almost like the sound of electrical current. It is only on the Platy, never 
> the Clem. I have heard that the SON is supposed to be silent, but there is 
> definitely noise coming from the bike, but I don't know if it's the hub.
>
> I'm going to take the bike to the shop that built it and see if they can 
> figure out the noise and the dim light. If you have any words of wisdom or 
> direction I could point them in, please let me know here. 
>
> Things I have considered:
> 1. Does the wheel size affect the difference in brightness? 
> 2. Does the mounting location affect the appearance of the beam? (I have 
> tilted the Platy light this way and that so the beam doesn't fall on the 
> front wheel, but no real difference was noted.)
> 3. Maybe there is some tension on the wires somehow?
>
> 
> Don't read past here if you don't want to be subjected to my angst. It is 
> cathartic to talk to bike people about bike woes; no one else understands.
>
> I dread taking the bike in and presenting them with some obscure issues 
> (What is this noise? Don't you hear it? Well, it's not doing it right NOW, 
> but... My light is not bright enough! Can't you make it brighter?!) Most 
> shops in Vegas don't know a thing about dyno; it took my LBS considerable 
> time to suss out how to do it. So, I fear that the bike will come back to 
> me in the same state and I will be slowly driven crazy by the sounds and 
> the inferior lighting. Also, the Platy is special and I am overly attached 
> to it. When things aren't right with it I am all sackcloth and ashes, 
> wailing and gnashing of teeth over here.
> ***
> Thanks for your insight!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Downsizing a Clem

[Doug H.]

Zed's story is interesting to me. I am always on the borderline of two 
sized of frames it seems and always go with the larger size thinking a 
smaller frame would be uncomfortable. But, his journey makes sense and 
makes me want to rethink my frame sizing on the next bike.
Doug

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:01:25 PM UTC-4 Ben Miller wrote:

> Good stuff! Thanks for sharing Marty!
>
> Cool perspective on the process of dialing in a bike. And I love VO Crazy 
> Bars, so that's always a treat :)
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 2:23:03 PM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> This popped up out of nowhere and I thought it was worth a read. I don't 
>> think I had seen it here, so apologies if it has been posted before. My own 
>> 59 Clem H is nearly complete - will do a dial in ride tomorrow.  Pics to 
>> follow next week as I'll be out of town for a few days. 
>>
>> https://behindthebluemotel.com/2019/07/clem-smith-jr-try-number-two/
>>
>> Marty
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dim lighting on SON hub/Edelux II headlight

[Roberta]

Leah,

You have the exact same (except for the color) headlight on your Clem L.  
Could you take both bikes to the shop and swap headlights--or at least put 
the Clem L headlight on the Platy, even if it is just to test?  That way 
you'll be sure to rule in or rule out the headlight.

Roberta

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 11:16:26 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I desperately tried all the positions - and remember, the taillight works. 
> I wanted so badly for this to be the solution…
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> This is undoubtedly a stupid question but I like to hit the easy stuff 
> just in case it got overlooked (like the car dies and the mechanic calls to 
> say it's out of gas): Is the light in the On position? My Googling tells me 
> you have On/Off/Auto and I don't see that it's obvious which position the 
> switch is in. 
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> No, nice and tight. And this headlight has been testy for the bike shop, 
>> too. Wouldn’t come on. When when the mechanic flipped the wheel so the hub 
>> is on the drive side, the lights both worked. He couldn’t explain WHY but 
>> at least the light was on. Now I have a lovely taillight and NO headlight.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Connector at the hub come loose on the way home? Check for loose 
>> connecter.
>> You will soon be an expert on dyno lighting systems
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2021, 8:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>> Well. The taillight works great and the headlight didn’t work at ALL. I 
>>> now wonder if the Edelux is the issue??? I don’t know how to disconnect 
>>> wiring other than where the lights plug in at the hub. The mechanic said 
>>> all the connections were good. After he switched the tire around, he got 
>>> lights. I saw them when I picked up the bike though it was sunny and broad 
>>> daylight I thought I could still detect the headlight. 
>>>
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>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:47 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I have an older model SON that I got in 2000 or so and it only spins a 
>>> few revolutions before stopping. I have 3 or so new SON’s and none of those 
>>> have that friction. None of mine have been loud at all and I think the 
>>> notchiness is part of the design. Magnets are in there and I don’t think 
>>> those wear in.
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question for this saga, for folks who know and ride these things: 
>>> Do SON hubs break in and get quieter as the miles pile up? Like they're 
>>> extra stiff and notchy at first, but last longer than other dynos? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:54:15 PM UTC-7 Ben Miller wrote:
>>>
 Leah,

 I'm happy to hear the wheel flip helped! Woohoo ! (Even if it is a 
 mystery as to why??) I hope you now get your bike back and can enjoy those 
 nighttime trails! 

 As for the sound: it mostly sounds normal too me, but there is a 
 secondary second in there that sounds like leaves rustling to me. Like 
 Rowing to Nowhere said, make sure that QR is tight in the axle, though 
 persumably the mechanics will have it in there nice and snug! :)

 On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:23:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh for Pete's sake! Yep, that's definitely quiet..quieter than the one 
> I had by a lot. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Leah:
>>
>> Here’s my SON 28 hub in action. It’s totally silent. 
>>
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