[RBW] Re: Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[Jason Fuller]

Patrick is entirely right about the fact that you can re-jig the existing 
triple crankset into a double with a pant guard for much cheaper, but I am 
also completely enamoured with my Rene Herse crankset after a couple of 
years (42-26 as well), and when you consider that it basically a lifetime 
purchase (other than new rings every now and again), the price is not so 
bad. 

I run a road FD but I expect a MTB version would actually be more 
appropriate.  Works fine though, throws the chain over the top maybe once 
every 10 rides but that's likely just imperfect adjustment 

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[RBW] FS: 68cm Creamsicle Orange Rivendell Rambouillet F/F/HS/Brakes

[Kieran J]

Hi all,

Thinking about putting my 68 orange Ram frameset up for sale. I've owned 
this since around 2014 and having a hard time moving it on but so it goes.

Listing it as a F/F/HS along with a set of Tektro R539 brakes.

66cm C-C seat tube
62cm C-C top tube
Fits a 700x35c tire comfortably

It's in overall decent condition with plenty of wear and tear. Most 
notably, it has a minor ripple in the top tube where something bumped it 
and some damage to the seat cluster as well (all prior to my ownership). 
It's visible but nothing serious. Also has some chainsuck wear and scrapes 
near the BB. The original Ultegra 6500 headset is in good shape and the 
brakes show some rust on the springs and they need new pads.

Pics here: Google Link 


Thinking USD$700 plus shipping within North America. Probably via 
BikeFlights but I don't know exactly how much it would cost. I have some 
bike boxes and I'm happy to box it up myself.

Send me a PM if you are interested.

Thanks,
Kieran
Victoria, BC

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

Philip - YAY Oh maybe you will get it in time for the weekend!

I’m anxious to hear of the Platys that have surely been landing on doorsteps 
around America. Anyone else want to delight us with your words and photos?

So happy for you!
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On May 3, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> Got a wee note from UPS today! 
> 
> <73f002cade6cbaaa2e2be806417dee8e.png>
> 
> 
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:53:18 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>> 
>> I like looping it around the drive side of the seatpost in this situation - 
>> kind of enlarges the radius of the bend while keeping it close to the 
>> seatpost and frame. Use the longest hanger you can find - Surly makes a long 
>> one.
>> 
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:38:50 PM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>> Nathan,
>>> I'm going with canti brakes. I should be running the housing/cables tonight 
>>> or tomorrow.  I have a set of Velo Orange Zeste cantis that I've been 
>>> holding on to. The issue with the rear setup is to have the housing loop up 
>>> so it touches the seatpost, I think.  Otherwise you'll have the housing 
>>> contacting the seatpost lug. I'm not sure how it will look, but that's how 
>>> I saw one another person set it up (Blue Lug?).  I don't like how Crust did 
>>> it as it will rub the paint off of the lug (see their $3800 Platy).  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'll share photos when I get them set up.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 6:44 PM Nathan F  wrote:
 It's been nice seeing everyone get their frames, both here and on 
 Instagram. Lots of great builds so far and plenty of inspiration for how 
 I'll route the rear cantilever on mine. Seems I'm not the only one who 
 wanted to use cantis!
 
 Yesterday the front rack came in for mine... now all that's left are the 
 rims and frameset! Pending any further delays, I should be riding my 
 Platypus in about 5 weeks or so.
 
 
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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell x Outershell Camera Strap

[Justin]

Sold. Thanks!

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 2:13:20 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

>
> Pm sent
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7 Justin wrote:
>
>> https://outershell.com/shop/camera-strap
>>
>> Strap + buckle loops + tripod screw anchor
>>
>> Used very little, ended up keeping my camera in handlebar bag more often.
>>
>> $50
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[saintruggler]

As seen on Craigslist in Spokane, WA. Relationship to seller is well, 
it’s me!

https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/spokane-touring-gravel-all-road-rig/7317367924.html

Additional photos and geometry here: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xvrNFrjAgx55BBqj8

Tell your Eastern Washington friends!
On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 7:53:55 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> (Revised from original and now deleted post. I had mistyped his wife’s 
> name. My apologies. )
>
> Oh, that's nice!  I bought my AHHilsen, also pre-loved,  1 3/4 years ago 
> as my second bike to keep at my office.  As I rode the AHH, I loved it more 
> and more.My mermaid Platy is around the corner.  So, new bikes all 
> around for you, Maia and me.  You will be the smartest biking couple on the 
> trails near home.
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 11:18:35 AM UTC-4 will...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> On its way to me in California!
>>
>> W
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:55 AM, Cory Hughes  wrote:
>>
>> That Sam has a real artsy fingerprint-on-the-lens glow, oh and it is a 
>> great build! Seems like a very fair price.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 12:11:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Sam Hillborne
>>> L (cm not specified) 
>>> $900 
>>> Indianapolis, IN 
>>>
>>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/plainfield-rivendell-samuel-hillborne/7311968011.html
>>>
>>> [image: 0_kiAv20g29Z0z_0t20t2_1200x900.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell x Outershell Camera Strap

[Drw]

Pm sent
On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:08:15 AM UTC-7 Justin wrote:

> https://outershell.com/shop/camera-strap
>
> Strap + buckle loops + tripod screw anchor
>
> Used very little, ended up keeping my camera in handlebar bag more often.
>
> $50
>
> [image: 51159600971_0b4eabef6e_b[1].jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[jack loudon]

Regarding Rene Herse bb spindle length, on mine a 111mm bb spindle length 
results in a 119mm clear space between the arms, though this could vary a 
bit on different bb's and RH cranks due to machining tolerances.  To 
determine at a bb spindle length for an RH crank you could subtract 8mm 
from your chainstay spread (at crankarm distance) and then add back a 
healthy margin for square taper interface differences, crankarm clearance, 
and chainline adjustment.  On my bike (not a Hilsen), the chainrings aren't 
a problem, as the crankarms would contact the chainstay well before the 
42-24 rings.

One problem I did have when going to a short spindle is learning that some 
front derailleurs won't swing far enough inward to drop the chain onto the 
inner ring.  A later-model Shimano 105 wouldn't work until I filed off the 
inner adjustment limit stop.  An older Campy Chorus works fine unmodified.

Jack - Seattle

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 4:11:10 PM UTC-7 KenP wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> My Appaloosa needed a much longer bottom bracket.
> RH shipped me a 121 & LBS had me return the BB because it needed to be 
> even longer.  The RH crank has a different feel because of the Q factor.  
> It puts the legs closer together.  It weighs about the same.  Advantages 
> that you customize it with the rings you want, a longer/shorter crank arm, 
> finish color, etc.  The rings have a different bolt pattern than the XD2. I 
> switched front derailleur  and  I switched to a RH crank from XD2 and am 
> satisfied.  I had been having trouble with the XD2 having the chain drop 
> between the rings.  Riv's own new crank might be nice as well if they have 
> them available.
> Ken
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:53:47 PM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:
>
>> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
>> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
>> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
>> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
>> is  bbc110.
>>
>> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at 
>> least not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" 
>> anyway. I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 
>> rings. If I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I 
>> would give up almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high 
>> gears that I rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>>
>> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think 
>> so, but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>>
>> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw or 
>> go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that works 
>> well with compact 42-26 rings?
>>
>> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clem Smith Jr. = N+Zero

[Jim Whorton]

Really nice!  I have pretty much the same bike, very similar setup.  The 
stoker nubs look useful.  I use that hand position most of the time, at the 
top of that bend in the bars.

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 10:44:44 AM UTC-4 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> Great news!   Great build! Enjoy!
>
> Thanks,
> -Brendan Willard
> Owner/Winemaker
> Phantômé Cellars
>
> phantomecellars.com 
>
> Speaking in Thumbs 
>
> On May 4, 2021, at 4:12 AM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Built up this new-to-me 59 Clem H slowly over the past couple months and 
> it's convincing me I really don't need or want anything else. At 65, I've 
> been looking for my "last" bike project, and I truly think I can check that 
> box before serious downsizing happens. 
>
>
> The bike fits, rides and looks exactly as it should, and although I 
> suspect I'll have fun with little mods in the coming years, it's just right 
> in every way from the get go. One thing I may play with is the gearing - 
> it's set up as a 1X7 now and I like the range even though most of my riding 
> will be flat rail-trail stuff that really only requires one or two gears - 
> maybe three.  
>
> I'm using a single Rivendell thumb shifter in no-mans land on the Bosco 
> bars and it's a good place for it to be. The added stoker nubs are a must 
> have on these bars. I find myself using that position about half the time. 
> Might raise the saddle a bit, but I like being able to put (most of) my 
> foot down without doing a ballerina move. 
>
> A rear rack is being considered, but I won't need anything too substantial 
> if at all. I have a couple bag options to think about too. Fenders? 
> Probably not, but there's plenty of room. Gratuitous garage pic for now, 
> but more to come from the wild. 
>
> Marty 
> Stewartstown, Pennsylvania
>
> 
>
> 
>
> TA Zephyr crankset with TA AXIX BB - 36T with All City 44T guard
> Velocity Dyad rims with Big Ben tires 
> 40 hole XT rear hub - 36 hole Suntour XC9000 front hub - Paul skewers
> Shimano XT rear derailer
> Brooks B67 saddle
> Nitto technomic stem with Bosco bars - WTB ergo grips - Nitto plugs - Dia 
> Compe nubs
> Shimano XT V-brakes with Cane Creek Direct Curve levers
> MKS Grip King pedals
> King Cage with Rivendell bottle
> Spurcycle bell
> Cateye rear light on Paul Gino mount
>
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[RBW] FS: Assortment of NOS goodies (Skewers, derailleurs, headsets)

[James / Analog Cycles]

Certain parts are exceedingly hard to source right now.  Good quick 
releases are pretty much non-existent.  Good being internal cam, steel 
axle, nice design.  Front derailleurs useful for touring wide range doubles 
and triples is another.  9 or 10 speed rear derailleurs with a silver 
finish, these are basically vapor ware.   1” threaded headsets with 
replaceable bearings (IE not that Chris King no-replacement bearings 
nonsense) is of course another.  Are these prices high?  No, they are not.  
They’re reflective of the fact that this stuff is NOS, has been in a 
warehouse for years, and every year someone had to pay inventory tax on 
it.  If anything, the prices are low.  There’s no combo deals, or free 
shipping, the price is the listed price + whatever shipping costs to get to 
you.  Probably 9 bucks if you are in the states.  

I’ve got a pretty good stash of the following New Old Stock stuff, some in 
original boxes, some not, like the XT skewers: 

Early 90’s XT skewers, silver with black rubber on the QR lever, and a 
black o ring on the acorn nut, which is steel.  The nice finish.  Probably 
the beefiest QR pair ever made by Shimano.  This is way before everything 
Shimano made was black or grey.  $85 a pair.  

Early-Mid 90’s XTR Skewers.  Anodized silver, elegant as all get out.  Best 
XTR skewer ever made.  This was before everything went all grey.  1st or 
2nd gen.  Elegant enough for the nicest road bike, just cut off 5mm from 
the end of the rear skewer.  $100 a pair.

Shimano 6500 Ultegra headsets:  Silver, classic.  What Riv’s used to come 
standard with.  1” threaded, 26.4 crown race.  $100

Campagnolo Athena headsets: Silver, one of the nicest looking Campy 
headsets in my opinion.  $140

American Classic Skewers:  Black with silver lever.  Ultra light for the 
time, about as light as a skewer can get and still be internal cam.  
Aluminum acorn nut and cam nut.  That makes them fine for any rim brake set 
up, but less than ideal for discs, as they can’t bite into the drop outs.  
$45 a pair.  

Campagnolo Centaur braze on front derailleurs:  Will index for 9 or 10 
speeds, friction for 7-11 speeds.  Ideal for a wide range double, like a 
46/26 or a 50/30.  In some circumstances it will work for a triple.   $90

XTR M952/953 front derailleurs:  28.6 clamp, bottom pull.  Classic, 
gorgeous XTR triple front mech for rings up to 46t.  One of the best triple 
derailleurs ever made.  8 speed index, 7-11 speed friction.  $65

Shimano CX70 braze on front derailleurs:  Best front derailleurs shimano 
made in the 2000’s.  Stiff, nice looking, Ultegra level.  Triple or Double, 
up to a 48t big ring.  I’ve had these shift through a 46/20 range before.  
Worked great, even without a middle ring.  $100

Campagnolo Touring Triple Rear Derailleurs, mid 2000s.  39t capacity.  
Beautiful polished silver.  You can do a 28t rear cassette with no mods, or 
a 34 with a wolf tooth road link.  $210

Holler if you want any of this stuff!  Transactions thru paypal only.  
-James james(at)analogcycles(dot)com



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[RBW] Re: For Sale. Two rarities: CX70 brakes and R14 rack

[Bill Lindsay]

Brakes and rack both sold.  Thanks

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rack claimed.  
>
> Brakes still available.
>
> Bill
>
> On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 9:44:46 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> While rummaging through my inventory I found two things that are long 
>> gone and essentially ungettable at any price.  
>>
>> Shimano CX70 Cantilever brakes.  I have an extra set that I can live 
>> without.  Lightly used.  You'll get both calipers (one whole bike's worth), 
>> both link wires.  All the spacers and bolts to work with a wide array of 
>> post spacing and rim width.  I'll provide them with stock Shimano inserts 
>> or salmon koolstops.  $100 shipped
>>
>> Nitto R-14 rack.  This is the rear rack with the tombstone that was/is 
>> ideal for large Sackville saddlebags.  You'll receive the top platform, a 
>> full set of the Nitto Daruma bolt hardware assemblies for grabbing both 
>> sets of stays.  You will receive one pair of stays, medium length, 
>> straight.  You will need to buy another set of long stays from Riv to make 
>> it complete.  $100 shipped to me.  This is the item you'll buy from 
>> Rivendell:  Nitto Rack Hardware - 35cm straight struts, pair – Rivendell 
>> Bicycle Works (rivbike.com) 
>> 
>>
>> Let me know if you need photos or have questions
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: First 40+ miles...

[Fullylugged]

Congrats on your new bikes! Hope you enjoy many miles with lots of smiles 
on them. Another nice feature on your early Road is the bi-plane fork. Very 
pretty but disappeared later on with the Road Standard.  Is your top tube 
sloped like a Road Standard or level?  My 1995 Road is level and like you, 
I think it is one of the prettiest bike designs ever. I agree with the 
ride. Of my 4 bikes, the Road is my #1 choice.

Bruce

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:27:45 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> I suppose this is a ride(s) report. A few weeks ago I was escorted across 
> state lines to procure my first Rivendell road frame, my partner in this 
> heist (a great deal) got himself a super rad hubbuhubbuh tandem. Upon 
> arriving in Nashville we discovered that a first gen Quickbeam frame, that 
> for some reason or another I believed had been previously sold and not 
> available, was very much available. The owner being the rad guy that he is, 
> let me ride his identical orange QB around the block to see if I 
> immediately fell in love with what he described as his #1 favorite 
> bike...of course I did. I bought it and the set of OG QB wheels along with 
> the Road frame w/ Phil Wood wheels that we had traveled all that way to 
> get.  Elated, we rushed back home with our take and by Tuesday at lunchtime 
> I had the Quickbeam fully built and before a storm rolled in I got around 
> the block twice with a massive smile across my face. Just can not believe 
> how great the potential is for fun on this bike...man. 
>
> So, as I waited to get my hands on the last few remaining parts for the 
> Road bike, I struck up conversations with a number of wonderful people on 
> and off this list to include Will over at Rivendell about the history of 
> this bike (the road, not the quickbeam, keep up, we'll be switching back 
> and forth a lot...I'm sure) which it turns out was not a road standard but 
> a road custom made by Joe Starck and painted by Joe Bell. This was all 
> covered in Patrick's thread about the wonderfulness of his custom frame.
>
>
> So. The Quickbeam. After that storm, I rode that bike every single day 
> between 5 and 30 miles a day all over NW Arkansas, running errands, just 
> riding, holy shit with a massive grin and emotions bordering on euphoria. 
> Never have I felt this good on any bike. I love this thing. I love it. 
> Goddamnit this was and is an outstanding frame. OK so that's settled I 
> don't ever care about riding anything else again ever.
>
>
> Last few parts came in for the Road. As I finished putting it together my 
> excitement naturally grew, but I must say I was kinda nervous that the Road 
> was going to steal something away from my new found love for the QB. Lets 
> be honest my QB looks like someone kicked it down a few flights of stairs, 
> and while it is cool it never was amongst Rivendell's prettiest line of 
> frames. 
>
> The Road, however... the lugs and the paint and the head badge and font 
> makes this absolutely the prettiest bike I have ever touched, much less 
> ridden, much much less owned. There may be objectively more attractive 
> bikes out there, somewhere, maybe. 
>
>
> Almost identical situation occurred as the week before only this time 
> torrential rain instead of snow came with this storm. I waited it out 
> having only done the ride around the block a few times with my kid on the 
> brand new bike because I was short on time routine... This couple of 'round 
> the blocks' was just enough to let me know that there was the potential for 
> magic.
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> Storm lasted for approx. 36hrs…
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> Two days later I'm off on my first shake down ride, my favorite 20mi out 
> and back to a local spring. Best tasting water around. Fill up and head 
> back. Well, there was a 17mph headwind nearly the entire way there. And I 
> just couldn't get my pedal stroke comfortably where I wanted it, nor can I 
> even fully tell you what I mean by that. I did regularly think that it was 
> bizarre that I felt so fast and so uncomfortable, even in the wind. And it 
> was, as I later learned, strangely fast no matter how uncomfortable. 
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> The pictures of evergreen and mini waterfall are the aforementioned spring 
> area. So then I simply turned around and rode an uncomfortable 10+ miles 
> back home on a phenomenal bike with a great tailwind. I knew the 
> uncomfortableness was do to my form, I just couldn’t figure out why it was 
> so bad and I couldn’t seem to fix it…also my ass my have never hurt this 
> bad from a c17 ever. 
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> I got home and all of the gps data from my phone said that it was the 
> fastest I had ever done that out and back route. Not sure I believe this at 
> all. I am blown away, I don’t feel like I was pushing myself hard, mostly 
> due to just feeling awkward and uncomfortable. Other than how you would 
> expect to feel in any normal headwind, although, I averaged over 1mph 
> faster than normal. So I got out the tape and started measuring every. 
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