Re: [RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[dougP]

One of my touring buds had a LHT for years, but always hankered for an 
Atlantis.  His wife bought him one as a surprise & of course he loved it.  
He said the Atlantis was a better ride & more nimble than the LHT.  The 
Surly didn't stick around for long after the Atlantis arrived.  

RE: Chainstays & wheels:  The old geo charts from the Toyo days show 56 & 
smaller on 26" wheels with 44 cm chainstays.  58 & larger have 45.5 cm 
chainstays & 700c wheels.  

dougP

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 7:44:28 PM UTC-7 CoalTrain wrote:

> Buy a Crust Romanceur if you want a similar frame.
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>
>> I have also owned a LHT and it was nowhere near as nimble/responsive as 
>> my Atlantis. It wasn’t fun to ride unloaded, got sold. 
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 16:41, Ian A  wrote:
>>
>> I think the original Atlantis in size 56cm/26" wheel is one of my grail 
>> bikes. Have considered buying a Surly LHT and having it powdercoated 
>> Atlantis green! I'm guessing the Surly is stouter and obviously not as 
>> aesthetically pleasing and also not built at Toyo, but a good touring bike 
>> nonetheless.
>>
>>
>> In terms of 26"/559, it is becoming even more difficult to find 26" rim 
>> options and tire choice is very limited. 650b has more or less usurped 26", 
>> at least in North America it seems. 
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada who has stopped acquiring bikes and has managed to 
>> cap the stable at four. A Brompton at the right price would still be 
>> welcome though.
>>
>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:31:39 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living 
>>> in Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
>>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
>>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
>>> size.
>>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with 
>>> some of these aspects from those first runs:
>>>
>>>1. The color (of course)
>>>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>>>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>>>with 26' in all sizes)
>>>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a 
>>>hair bigger in the large sizes)
>>>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>>>
>>> Who else would sign up for one?
>>> What other aspects would you like?
>>>
>>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

[Addison Quarles]

To be clear-- this bike has sold, right? 

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 10:07:32 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Gabriel -- looks like it's a bit too small for me. I 
> think I'm just a victim of wishful thinking; I'd love to find a used 
> Atlantis but I don't want to sacrifice fit just to finally have one!
>
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Hargrove wrote:
>
>> Max,
>>
>> Here's a chart from Rivendell's site circa 2007 to align your PBH with 
>> the appropriate frame size. FWIW, I have an 82 PBH, and this same frame 
>> (56, 2007)- it fits me better than an other off the shelf bike I've owned. 
>> I'll include the 56cm geo in case you're curious. I'd also go so far as to 
>> say that with a pair of Paul Motolites, this could probably function well 
>> as a 650b frame, as well.
>>
>> Gabriel
>> Huntington Beach, CA
>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 9:30:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're right, that looks like an early Toyo Atlantis "2" with 
>>> the pointed head lug and I think those tires say Rat Trap Pass on them. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:37:43 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is 
 my size.

 Ian A Alberta Canada

 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:

> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  
> efforts to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B 
> wheelset.  I will add more information this evening... 
> 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.
>
> Please let me know if interested... am in MA.
>
> Thanks,
> -John
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[CoalTrain]

Buy a Crust Romanceur if you want a similar frame.
On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 6:55:31 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> I have also owned a LHT and it was nowhere near as nimble/responsive as my 
> Atlantis. It wasn’t fun to ride unloaded, got sold. 
>
> On Jul 30, 2021, at 16:41, Ian A  wrote:
>
> I think the original Atlantis in size 56cm/26" wheel is one of my grail 
> bikes. Have considered buying a Surly LHT and having it powdercoated 
> Atlantis green! I'm guessing the Surly is stouter and obviously not as 
> aesthetically pleasing and also not built at Toyo, but a good touring bike 
> nonetheless.
>
>
> In terms of 26"/559, it is becoming even more difficult to find 26" rim 
> options and tire choice is very limited. 650b has more or less usurped 26", 
> at least in North America it seems. 
>
> IanA Alberta Canada who has stopped acquiring bikes and has managed to cap 
> the stable at four. A Brompton at the right price would still be welcome 
> though.
>
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:31:39 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
>> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
>> size.
>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with 
>> some of these aspects from those first runs:
>>
>>1. The color (of course)
>>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>>with 26' in all sizes)
>>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
>>bigger in the large sizes)
>>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>>
>> Who else would sign up for one?
>> What other aspects would you like?
>>
>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Ian A]

Thanks for the info, Lucky. I figured the Atlantis would be more 
responsive, especially unloaded.

IanA

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 5:55:31 PM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:

> I have also owned a LHT and it was nowhere near as nimble/responsive as my 
> Atlantis. It wasn’t fun to ride unloaded, got sold. 
>
> On Jul 30, 2021, at 16:41, Ian A  wrote:
>
> I think the original Atlantis in size 56cm/26" wheel is one of my grail 
> bikes. Have considered buying a Surly LHT and having it powdercoated 
> Atlantis green! I'm guessing the Surly is stouter and obviously not as 
> aesthetically pleasing and also not built at Toyo, but a good touring bike 
> nonetheless.
>
>
> In terms of 26"/559, it is becoming even more difficult to find 26" rim 
> options and tire choice is very limited. 650b has more or less usurped 26", 
> at least in North America it seems. 
>
> IanA Alberta Canada who has stopped acquiring bikes and has managed to cap 
> the stable at four. A Brompton at the right price would still be welcome 
> though.
>
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:31:39 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
>> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
>> size.
>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with 
>> some of these aspects from those first runs:
>>
>>1. The color (of course)
>>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>>with 26' in all sizes)
>>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
>>bigger in the large sizes)
>>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>>
>> Who else would sign up for one?
>> What other aspects would you like?
>>
>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[luckyturnip]

I have also owned a LHT and it was nowhere near as nimble/responsive as my 
Atlantis. It wasn’t fun to ride unloaded, got sold. 

> On Jul 30, 2021, at 16:41, Ian A  wrote:
> 
> I think the original Atlantis in size 56cm/26" wheel is one of my grail 
> bikes. Have considered buying a Surly LHT and having it powdercoated Atlantis 
> green! I'm guessing the Surly is stouter and obviously not as aesthetically 
> pleasing and also not built at Toyo, but a good touring bike nonetheless.
> 
> In terms of 26"/559, it is becoming even more difficult to find 26" rim 
> options and tire choice is very limited. 650b has more or less usurped 26", 
> at least in North America it seems. 
> 
> IanA Alberta Canada who has stopped acquiring bikes and has managed to cap 
> the stable at four. A Brompton at the right price would still be welcome 
> though.
> 
>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:31:39 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
>> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
>> size.
>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
>> of these aspects from those first runs:
>> The color (of course)
>> Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>> 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool with 26' in 
>> all sizes)
>> 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair bigger in 
>> the large sizes)
>> Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>> Who else would sign up for one?
>> What other aspects would you like?
>> 
>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>> 
>> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Ian A]

I think the original Atlantis in size 56cm/26" wheel is one of my grail 
bikes. Have considered buying a Surly LHT and having it powdercoated 
Atlantis green! I'm guessing the Surly is stouter and obviously not as 
aesthetically pleasing and also not built at Toyo, but a good touring bike 
nonetheless.

In terms of 26"/559, it is becoming even more difficult to find 26" rim 
options and tire choice is very limited. 650b has more or less usurped 26", 
at least in North America it seems. 

IanA Alberta Canada who has stopped acquiring bikes and has managed to cap 
the stable at four. A Brompton at the right price would still be welcome 
though.

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:31:39 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:

> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
> size.
> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
> of these aspects from those first runs:
>
>1. The color (of course)
>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>with 26' in all sizes)
>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
>bigger in the large sizes)
>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>
> Who else would sign up for one?
> What other aspects would you like?
>
> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Heron Road Complete Bike - Dark Green

[James Warren]

Bike is sold.

Thank you, everyone.


> On Jul 25, 2021, at 12:35 AM, James Warren  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Long time forum member and Riv rider here.
> 
> This Heron Road has very low miles and extremely few scratches. No dents or 
> abuse. Close to pristine. The reason it's been so rarely ridden is I have a 
> LOT of bikes (quite a few great Rivs) and and having fun building this up,, I 
> never stopped riding my Rambouillet. This bike needs an owner that will ride 
> it, and my home needs space. It has less than 50 miles on it. Those Roly Poly 
> tires are what I mounted when built up the frame in early 2009. Then it’s 
> been stored inside, and the tires show low use.
> 
> The Heron frame was bought directly from Heron (when owned by Todd Kuzma,) 
> 2008.
> 
> Heron frame size is 64 cm. TT slopes up 2 degrees.
> 
> Heron complete bike includes everything in the photo except the water bottle 
> cages. I can include Shimano A520 pedals if interested. Those are Lesnik 
> wheels Mavic MA3 rims, DT, Rivendell Roly Poly tires, Ultegra hubs. Mavic 
> triple 110/74 BCD crank, XT rear derailleur with a 10-speed cassette (11-34), 
> a Suntour XC front derailleur, Nitto Soba handlebar, Nitto Tech deluxe stem, 
> Ultegra 10-speed brifters, Shimano 105 brakes. Price is $1500. The price 
> includes shipping or possibly direct delivery.
> 
> Thanks for looking,
> Jim Warren
> 
> 

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[RBW] Re: 62 cm Appaloosa Frameset (Dark Green) and Seatpost and BB

[James Warren]

Frame is sold.

Thank you, everyone.


> On Jul 25, 2021, at 12:22 AM, James Warren  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Long-time forum member and Riv rider here.
> 
> This Appaloosa frameset has very low miles and extremely few scratches. No 
> dents or abuse. Close to pristine. (One photo shows two little white dot 
> scratches on the seat stay; all I can find so far.) The reason this has been 
> so rarely ridden is I have a LOT of bikes (quite a few great Rivs) and this 
> was an impulse buy that I never got around to putting heavily in the 
> rotation. It needs a home, and my home needs space. The frame has less than 
> 100 miles ridden as a built up bike.
> 
> This was bought directly from Riv in 2017.
> 
> Size is 62 cm.
> Price is $1300. The price includes shipping or possibly direct delivery. (It 
> also includes a Kalloy-like seat post, not shown in the photo and the bottom 
> bracket and headset.)
> 
> Thanks for looking,
> Jim Warren
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[luckyturnip]

I have an older one (2004) and love it to death, though I do experience toe 
overlap, and nowadays would probably have bought the next size up. 
That said, it’s the only bike I have never considered selling.
I’m currently running 26” Super Yummy tires which seem fat enough, even too fat 
maybe. 


> On Jul 30, 2021, at 15:23, Scott G.  wrote:
> 
> 
> I had a Mark 1, the Toyo built version with starlight stays,
> tire capacity was bit smaller and head angle a bit steeper.
> 
> Yes, I'd like to have one again, the old one was stolen.
> 
> Scott G.
> 
>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 4:10:43 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I could see that, assuming they ever catch up frame production enough to 
>> change a current model. Right now the MIT Atlantis is practically identical 
>> to the Appaloosa; an original design - but from the Taiwan factory - might 
>> be a better position for that model.*
>> 
>> *BUT it's like asking Grant for disc brakes, he's not big on doing stuff he 
>> doesn't believe in. The Atlantis looks like it does now because he thinks it 
>> works better that way. So good luck! 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard
>> 
>>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 12:31:39 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
>>> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
>>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
>>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
>>> size.
>>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
>>> of these aspects from those first runs:
>>> The color (of course)
>>> Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>>> 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool with 26' in 
>>> all sizes)
>>> 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair bigger 
>>> in the large sizes)
>>> Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>>> Who else would sign up for one?
>>> What other aspects would you like?
>>> 
>>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>>> 
>>> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Scott G.]

I had a Mark 1, the Toyo built version with starlight stays,
tire capacity was bit smaller and head angle a bit steeper.

Yes, I'd like to have one again, the old one was stolen.

Scott G.

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 4:10:43 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I could see that, assuming they ever catch up frame production enough to 
> change a current model. Right now the MIT Atlantis is practically identical 
> to the Appaloosa; an original design - but from the Taiwan factory - might 
> be a better position for that model.*
>
> *BUT it's like asking Grant for disc brakes, he's not big on doing stuff 
> he doesn't believe in. The Atlantis looks like it does now because he 
> thinks it works better that way. So good luck! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 12:31:39 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
>> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
>> size.
>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with 
>> some of these aspects from those first runs:
>>
>>1. The color (of course)
>>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>>with 26' in all sizes)
>>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
>>bigger in the large sizes)
>>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>>
>> Who else would sign up for one?
>> What other aspects would you like?
>>
>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: new Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay

[Bill Lindsay]

OK then, I guess I have a saddle for my wife's next upright build

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 3:05:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> But of course now I notice it's a B68S (womens) with the wider back end.  
> Rats.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 2:50:22 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I threw a bid on it, which killed the Buy it Now.  I don't have a step 
>> through build concept for it at this time, but a nice step through is 
>> inevitably down the road for me, and this is the saddle I'd want on a step 
>> through, upright build...  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:13:58 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284382766817?hash=item423688a6e1:g:necAAOSwvktg-zxb
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 There is a new, unused Honey Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay right now - 
 auction ends in a couple hours. I have enough B68s at the moment so I am 
 not a buyer right now. I don't know how to link to it, so you will need to 
 find it yourself if interested.

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[RBW] Re: new Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay

[Bill Lindsay]

But of course now I notice it's a B68S (womens) with the wider back end.  
Rats.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 2:50:22 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I threw a bid on it, which killed the Buy it Now.  I don't have a step 
> through build concept for it at this time, but a nice step through is 
> inevitably down the road for me, and this is the saddle I'd want on a step 
> through, upright build...  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:13:58 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284382766817?hash=item423688a6e1:g:necAAOSwvktg-zxb
>>
>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> There is a new, unused Honey Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay right now - 
>>> auction ends in a couple hours. I have enough B68s at the moment so I am 
>>> not a buyer right now. I don't know how to link to it, so you will need to 
>>> find it yourself if interested.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: new Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay

[Matthew Williams]

Speaking of saddles, what's the story on this? Did Brooks produce a horse hair 
hide B67, or is this some weird knock-off?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174855058122

Horsehide would be perfect for an Appaloosa, of course.


On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I threw a bid on it, which killed the Buy it Now.  I don't have a step 
> through build concept for it at this time, but a nice step through is 
> inevitably down the road for me, and this is the saddle I'd want on a step 
> through, upright build...  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:13:58 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284382766817?hash=item423688a6e1:g:necAAOSwvktg-zxb
> 
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
> There is a new, unused Honey Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay right now - auction 
> ends in a couple hours. I have enough B68s at the moment so I am not a buyer 
> right now. I don't know how to link to it, so you will need to find it 
> yourself if interested.
> 
> Laing
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: new Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay

[Matthew Williams]

Speaking of saddles, what's the story on this? Did Brooks produce a horse hair 
hide B67, or is this some weird knock-off?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174855058122

Horsehide would be perfect for an Appaloosa, of course.


On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:50 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I threw a bid on it, which killed the Buy it Now.  I don't have a step 
> through build concept for it at this time, but a nice step through is 
> inevitably down the road for me, and this is the saddle I'd want on a step 
> through, upright build...  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:13:58 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284382766817?hash=item423688a6e1:g:necAAOSwvktg-zxb
> 
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
> There is a new, unused Honey Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay right now - auction 
> ends in a couple hours. I have enough B68s at the moment so I am not a buyer 
> right now. I don't know how to link to it, so you will need to find it 
> yourself if interested.
> 
> Laing
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: new Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay

[Bill Lindsay]

I threw a bid on it, which killed the Buy it Now.  I don't have a step 
through build concept for it at this time, but a nice step through is 
inevitably down the road for me, and this is the saddle I'd want on a step 
through, upright build...  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:13:58 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284382766817?hash=item423688a6e1:g:necAAOSwvktg-zxb
>
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> There is a new, unused Honey Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay right now - 
>> auction ends in a couple hours. I have enough B68s at the moment so I am 
>> not a buyer right now. I don't know how to link to it, so you will need to 
>> find it yourself if interested.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 48 Losco Bars, 25.4 Nitto Stem

[Johnny Alien]

I'm still looking for these items.  Preferred length for the stem is 100mm 
but might be OK with a 90.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 12:40:40 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I am tossing around giving one of my bikes a sweptback experience. I have 
> an Albatross bar but I want something with less rise and less width. Its a 
> trial so I would prefer to find a used Losco bar vs paying full price for 
> new. 48 width only.  Anyone have one?

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[RBW] Re: new Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay

[Johnny Alien]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284382766817?hash=item423688a6e1:g:necAAOSwvktg-zxb

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> There is a new, unused Honey Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay right now - 
> auction ends in a couple hours. I have enough B68s at the moment so I am 
> not a buyer right now. I don't know how to link to it, so you will need to 
> find it yourself if interested.
>
> Laing
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Joe Bernard]

I could see that, assuming they ever catch up frame production enough to 
change a current model. Right now the MIT Atlantis is practically identical 
to the Appaloosa; an original design - but from the Taiwan factory - might 
be a better position for that model.*

*BUT it's like asking Grant for disc brakes, he's not big on doing stuff he 
doesn't believe in. The Atlantis looks like it does now because he thinks 
it works better that way. So good luck! 

Joe Bernard

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 12:31:39 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
> size.
> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
> of these aspects from those first runs:
>
>1. The color (of course)
>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>with 26' in all sizes)
>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
>bigger in the large sizes)
>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>
> Who else would sign up for one?
> What other aspects would you like?
>
> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] new Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay

[lconley]

There is a new, unused Honey Brooks B68S saddle on Ebay right now - auction 
ends in a couple hours. I have enough B68s at the moment so I am not a 
buyer right now. I don't know how to link to it, so you will need to find 
it yourself if interested.

Laing


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[RBW] Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Edwin W]

The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
size.
I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
of these aspects from those first runs:

   1. The color (of course)
   2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
   3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool with 
   26' in all sizes)
   4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
   bigger in the large sizes)
   5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders

Who else would sign up for one?
What other aspects would you like?

Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,

Edwin

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[RBW] FS: Sugino Chainrings & Chainring bolts

[Johnny Alien]

I just picked up a New Albion double crankset with the intention of making 
it a 1x with a Wolf Tooth chainring. Thusly the stock chainrings are not 
needed and I m looking to pass them along to someone.  These are aluminum 
chainrings and everything about New Albion is just rebranded Sugino stuff.  
There is a 46T and a 36T as well as the stock sugino bolts for a double.  
$30 shipped per chainring and $10 shipped for the bolts.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

[max.c....@gmail.com]

Thanks for the reply Gabriel -- looks like it's a bit too small for me. I 
think I'm just a victim of wishful thinking; I'd love to find a used 
Atlantis but I don't want to sacrifice fit just to finally have one!

On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Hargrove wrote:

> Max,
>
> Here's a chart from Rivendell's site circa 2007 to align your PBH with the 
> appropriate frame size. FWIW, I have an 82 PBH, and this same frame (56, 
> 2007)- it fits me better than an other off the shelf bike I've owned. I'll 
> include the 56cm geo in case you're curious. I'd also go so far as to say 
> that with a pair of Paul Motolites, this could probably function well as a 
> 650b frame, as well.
>
> Gabriel
> Huntington Beach, CA
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 9:30:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I think you're right, that looks like an early Toyo Atlantis "2" with the 
>> pointed head lug and I think those tires say Rat Trap Pass on them. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:37:43 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is my 
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Ian A Alberta Canada
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:
>>>
 With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  
 efforts to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B 
 wheelset.  I will add more information this evening... 
 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.

 Please let me know if interested... am in MA.

 Thanks,
 -John



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Re: [RBW] Tumbleweed Rack on 26" fork -- Hunqapilllar?

[Pat Smith]

If anyone happens to have a Tumbleweed rack for sale, I'm interested. Have 
no need for my big beefy Tubus Logo anymore.
Pat in DC

On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 11:51:44 AM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> I have a t-rack on the front of my 650b Atlantis, attached to the top of 
> the fork crown. no issues setting it up and a really great rack. You'll 
> need to bend the bottom a little bit or use some spacers, but its not a big 
> deal. I have basket on mine and then use the mounts for touring. I think it 
> really splits the difference between minimal and super functional in the 
> smartest way possible.  
>
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 7:37:12 AM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> FYI:  I was fortunate to purchase and receive a Tumbleweed Mini Pannier 
>> Rack recently.  Included *with *the rack was a very nice set of mounting 
>> hardware which included very nice black alloy spacers (Six total -   4 x 
>> 2.5mm thick and 2 x 5mm thick).  I mounted my rack on the rear of my bike, 
>> but I can see where one may choose to use the spacers to mount it on the 
>> front, reducing the *squeeze* on the rack legs / dropout interface.
>>
>> Daniel really thought things out and I am very impressed with the quality 
>> / features of the rack along with the included hardware.  One last detail: 
>> from the pictures on his website, one could see that the Mini Pannier Rack 
>> does have a lighting tang.  I couldn't tell if the tang has a single hole 
>> or two holes for a two-bolt Busch & Muller rear LED tail light (such as the 
>> Toplight Line).  I can confirm yes, it indeed does and it is properly 
>> spaced for a perfect fit [when will NItto include this feature on their 
>> racks?].
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 6:08:51 AM UTC-7 Ginz wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I hadn't considered the spacing.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to find something minimal for the front of the bike that:
>>> Doesn't interfere with the first crown (I'm using the Tektro cable 
>>> hander), and
>>> Doesn't use draw bolts on the vertical stays (just my preference).
>>>
>>> If the Tumbleweeds come back in stock, I may give it a go.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 6:01:18 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 Just keep in mind you'd have to bend the rack to fit the 100mm+ 
 dropouts rather than the 135mm+ drop outs in the rear.

 Collin in, its smoky again, Sacramento

 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 10:43:01 AM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I emailed Daniel that same question and this was his response: 
>
> "You should have no problem with clearance above your tire, but 
> there’s no real downside to having the rack that’s a little tall other 
> than 
> aesthetics. The difference between the two rack sizes is only about an 
> inch, we mainly do the two sizes to accommodate bikes with big wheels and 
> low rack mounts where there might be clearance issues with the tire. "
>
> Regarding the says, I trimmed mine and it looks great. 
>
> Josh in NYC
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 12:52 PM Ginz  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Has anyone tried to fit the Tumbleweed T-Rack or Pannier Rack (355mm 
>> deck height?) on a Hunqapillar or similar 26" fork using the bosses on 
>> top 
>> of the fork crown?
>>
>> I'm wondering if that would work.  Some bending of the rack stays 
>> might be required by I can't tell if the stays' mounting block would be 
>> at 
>> the right height.
>>
>> I have a Nitto 32F on there but might try something new.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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Re: [RBW] Tumbleweed Rack on 26" fork -- Hunqapilllar?

[Ginz]

Drew,

Could I trouble you for a measurement on the T-Rack?  From the eyelet on 
the bottom of the say to the center of the upper stay?  Said, differently, 
how far below the rack deck is the eyelet on the upper stays?  I'm trying 
to figure out if the 355mm version would allow the upper stays to hit the 
bosses on the fork crown properly or if they would be too low.  Too high is 
ok, i can bend them.  Too low could be a problem.  

Thanks!



On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 11:51:44 AM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> I have a t-rack on the front of my 650b Atlantis, attached to the top of 
> the fork crown. no issues setting it up and a really great rack. You'll 
> need to bend the bottom a little bit or use some spacers, but its not a big 
> deal. I have basket on mine and then use the mounts for touring. I think it 
> really splits the difference between minimal and super functional in the 
> smartest way possible.  
>
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 7:37:12 AM UTC-7 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> FYI:  I was fortunate to purchase and receive a Tumbleweed Mini Pannier 
>> Rack recently.  Included *with *the rack was a very nice set of mounting 
>> hardware which included very nice black alloy spacers (Six total -   4 x 
>> 2.5mm thick and 2 x 5mm thick).  I mounted my rack on the rear of my bike, 
>> but I can see where one may choose to use the spacers to mount it on the 
>> front, reducing the *squeeze* on the rack legs / dropout interface.
>>
>> Daniel really thought things out and I am very impressed with the quality 
>> / features of the rack along with the included hardware.  One last detail: 
>> from the pictures on his website, one could see that the Mini Pannier Rack 
>> does have a lighting tang.  I couldn't tell if the tang has a single hole 
>> or two holes for a two-bolt Busch & Muller rear LED tail light (such as the 
>> Toplight Line).  I can confirm yes, it indeed does and it is properly 
>> spaced for a perfect fit [when will NItto include this feature on their 
>> racks?].
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 6:08:51 AM UTC-7 Ginz wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I hadn't considered the spacing.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to find something minimal for the front of the bike that:
>>> Doesn't interfere with the first crown (I'm using the Tektro cable 
>>> hander), and
>>> Doesn't use draw bolts on the vertical stays (just my preference).
>>>
>>> If the Tumbleweeds come back in stock, I may give it a go.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 6:01:18 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 Just keep in mind you'd have to bend the rack to fit the 100mm+ 
 dropouts rather than the 135mm+ drop outs in the rear.

 Collin in, its smoky again, Sacramento

 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 10:43:01 AM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I emailed Daniel that same question and this was his response: 
>
> "You should have no problem with clearance above your tire, but 
> there’s no real downside to having the rack that’s a little tall other 
> than 
> aesthetics. The difference between the two rack sizes is only about an 
> inch, we mainly do the two sizes to accommodate bikes with big wheels and 
> low rack mounts where there might be clearance issues with the tire. "
>
> Regarding the says, I trimmed mine and it looks great. 
>
> Josh in NYC
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 12:52 PM Ginz  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Has anyone tried to fit the Tumbleweed T-Rack or Pannier Rack (355mm 
>> deck height?) on a Hunqapillar or similar 26" fork using the bosses on 
>> top 
>> of the fork crown?
>>
>> I'm wondering if that would work.  Some bending of the rack stays 
>> might be required by I can't tell if the stays' mounting block would be 
>> at 
>> the right height.
>>
>> I have a Nitto 32F on there but might try something new.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[A. Douglas M.]

That Susie looks great with the black components and tan sidewalls. 
On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 9:31:08 PM UTC-6 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Patch!  fn right arrow.  worked like a charm. 
>
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 12:38:41 PM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>
>> And for Mac keypads w/o an "end" key:  "fn + right arrow"  --OR--  
>> "command + down arrow".
>>
>> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:18:25 AM UTC-4 Jonathan Poor wrote:
>>
>>> I put my cursor on the text of the top message, and hit the "end" key. 
>>> Zooms right to the bottom.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 10:44:28 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Not a dumb question at all.  I was wondering the same thing.  Anybody 
 have a more helpful answer?  Is there a setting that allows one to read 
 the 
 newest posts first?


 On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-7 ericf3 wrote:

> I read it in email and Bob is my Uncle...
>
> EricF
> Vancouver on android and Firefox
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021, 15:46 max.c@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Dumb question -- is there any way to make this thread display the 
>> newest posts at the top? I keep having to scroll through 100+ 
>> posts...sorry 
>> if I'm missing it!
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[RBW] Re: Analog's Secret Summer Sale

[James / Analog Cycles]

Dorothy, they are derailleur specific.  Garbaruk has good directions on 
their site.  We have a few left for SRAM 11 speed 1x rear mechs, and a 
number for GRX mechs, which are not on the sale list.  They let you easily 
shift to a 50t (or 51t) cog.

-james

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 9:18:13 AM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:

> Joe, how do those Garbaruk pieces work? Do you just install them on a 
> Shimano rear derailleur body?
>
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 9:41:52 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I hit em up for a Garbaruk cage and pulleys, and some chainring bolts.  
>> That's bling, baby 😎
>>
>> On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 12:18:33 PM UTC-7 James / Analog Cycles wrote:
>>
>>> If you are into stuff from Honjo, Unior, Park, Wera, Velo Orange, Riv, 
>>> Surly, All City, Bassi, Brooks, Topo Designs, Velocity, etc, this 
>>>  is the list of sale 
>>> parts for you.
>>>
>>> Details in the link.
>>>
>>> -James / Analog Cycles
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Analog's Secret Summer Sale

[Dorothy C]

Joe, how do those Garbaruk pieces work? Do you just install them on a 
Shimano rear derailleur body?

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 9:41:52 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I hit em up for a Garbaruk cage and pulleys, and some chainring bolts.  
> That's bling, baby 😎
>
> On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 12:18:33 PM UTC-7 James / Analog Cycles wrote:
>
>> If you are into stuff from Honjo, Unior, Park, Wera, Velo Orange, Riv, 
>> Surly, All City, Bassi, Brooks, Topo Designs, Velocity, etc, this 
>>  is the list of sale 
>> parts for you.
>>
>> Details in the link.
>>
>> -James / Analog Cycles
>>
>>
>>

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